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Re: More warts - what was not told #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Joy:

Thanks for your post on this thread:

Joy Weaver at joyweave@... wrote on 11/5/05 12:50 AM:

<snip>


My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!
My family has a similar story: There are unconfirmed rumors about the
less-than-honorable death of ...

When working with information about my relatives or others >from the same
shtetls, I'm often faced with this issue. Sometimes what I have about a
particular person is mostly warts.

I try to consider first the people who were murdered: Had they lived, they
would have chosen to reveal their warts, to conceal them, to overcome them
-- or some other choice I can't even imagine. I wish they could speak for
themselves, but they can't.

In theory, I'm prepared to reveal their warts if that's what can be found
about them, with care and consideration for their descendents. In practice,
I find myself holding back such information.

However I choose, as a descendent, the act of making such choices is a way
to undo a little of the damage.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@... remove 'zzz'


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: More warts - what was not told #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Joy:

Thanks for your post on this thread:

Joy Weaver at joyweave@... wrote on 11/5/05 12:50 AM:

<snip>


My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!
My family has a similar story: There are unconfirmed rumors about the
less-than-honorable death of ...

When working with information about my relatives or others >from the same
shtetls, I'm often faced with this issue. Sometimes what I have about a
particular person is mostly warts.

I try to consider first the people who were murdered: Had they lived, they
would have chosen to reveal their warts, to conceal them, to overcome them
-- or some other choice I can't even imagine. I wish they could speak for
themselves, but they can't.

In theory, I'm prepared to reveal their warts if that's what can be found
about them, with care and consideration for their descendents. In practice,
I find myself holding back such information.

However I choose, as a descendent, the act of making such choices is a way
to undo a little of the damage.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@... remove 'zzz'


Re: Correction - Origin of Rabbi Oshry's Name #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Unwittingly, I typed the incorrect psalm number for the origin of Rabbi
Oshry's name in my prior message. The correct one is for the psalm known as
The Ashrei, Psalm #145.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Correction - Origin of Rabbi Oshry's Name #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Unwittingly, I typed the incorrect psalm number for the origin of Rabbi
Oshry's name in my prior message. The correct one is for the psalm known as
The Ashrei, Psalm #145.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Searching for Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

I wonder if someone can help me get in touch with Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM of
Israel. She was the daughter of Manfred and Janka REIFER, cousins of mine. I
understand that her husband was once mayor of Karmiel, Israel, but I can't
seem to confirm that. She is also the sister-in-law of Raia YAGLOM.

Thank you for replying privately.

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching:
REIFER, SAPORIA, SPASSER (any country)
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
ROESSLER / RESSLER, HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Stetsova & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
HERZ, DAVIDOWITZ, SCHOEN, EHRLICH (Hungary, Czechoslovakia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

I wonder if someone can help me get in touch with Dita YAGLOM or JAGLOM of
Israel. She was the daughter of Manfred and Janka REIFER, cousins of mine. I
understand that her husband was once mayor of Karmiel, Israel, but I can't
seem to confirm that. She is also the sister-in-law of Raia YAGLOM.

Thank you for replying privately.

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching:
REIFER, SAPORIA, SPASSER (any country)
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
ROESSLER / RESSLER, HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Stetsova & Chernivtsi, Ukraine)
HERZ, DAVIDOWITZ, SCHOEN, EHRLICH (Hungary, Czechoslovakia)


Gloria Mound of Casa Shalom, Israel to Speak to JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. #general

Barbara Musikar
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Miami, Inc. is proud to present
Gloria Mound Founder and Executive Director of Casa Shalom, Institute for
Marrano-Anusim Studies in Israel.

What: Ms. Mound will discuss the Secret Jews of Spain and Portugal: their
history and genealogy, their forced conversion to Christianity
in Medieval times and how they secretly kept Jewish observances down to the
present time.

When: Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 9:30 AM sharp

Where:Greater Miami Jewish Federation
4200 Biscayne Blvd. Miami, FL 33137
Room: 2A and 2B
Phone: 305-576-4000
Please bring picture ID. Parking lot entrance is at rear of building.

This is a free seminar hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
For further information contact Barbara Musikar at 305-868-9226 or by e-mail at
bar945@...

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
VP Programming
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@...

RUBIN, BERGER, PILZER, MESTER, ROTH, WIEDERMAN: Zasdrist, Darachow, Strusow
Ukraine
KOGUT, PILZER, MESTER, HELLER, GEWIRZ: Mikulince, Ukraine
KLEMPNER, PADELOFSKY, WOLKOWISKI, ROISMANT: Kobrin, Brest, Belarus
SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK: Slonim, Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gloria Mound of Casa Shalom, Israel to Speak to JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. #general

Barbara Musikar
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Miami, Inc. is proud to present
Gloria Mound Founder and Executive Director of Casa Shalom, Institute for
Marrano-Anusim Studies in Israel.

What: Ms. Mound will discuss the Secret Jews of Spain and Portugal: their
history and genealogy, their forced conversion to Christianity
in Medieval times and how they secretly kept Jewish observances down to the
present time.

When: Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 9:30 AM sharp

Where:Greater Miami Jewish Federation
4200 Biscayne Blvd. Miami, FL 33137
Room: 2A and 2B
Phone: 305-576-4000
Please bring picture ID. Parking lot entrance is at rear of building.

This is a free seminar hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
For further information contact Barbara Musikar at 305-868-9226 or by e-mail at
bar945@...

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
VP Programming
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@...

RUBIN, BERGER, PILZER, MESTER, ROTH, WIEDERMAN: Zasdrist, Darachow, Strusow
Ukraine
KOGUT, PILZER, MESTER, HELLER, GEWIRZ: Mikulince, Ukraine
KLEMPNER, PADELOFSKY, WOLKOWISKI, ROISMANT: Kobrin, Brest, Belarus
SAMSONOWITZ, KRUPERNICK, WIDOLOK: Slonim, Belarus


JGS Greater Philadelphia: Change in November Program #general

Joan Rosen <jgrosen@...>
 

JGSGP regrets that Rabbi Lance Sussman will be unable to meet with us on
November 14. Instead, we will be showing a video.

*Echoes that remain* (62 minutes)
A study of Jewish shtetl life before the Holocaust, combining hundreds of
rare archival photos and previously unseen film footage, with live action
sequences shot on location at the sites of former Jewish communities in
Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

We hope to schedule the rabbi for a meeting in the future.

Joan
~~~
Joan Rosen, VP for Program
JGS Greater Philadelphia
jgrosen@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Greater Philadelphia: Change in November Program #general

Joan Rosen <jgrosen@...>
 

JGSGP regrets that Rabbi Lance Sussman will be unable to meet with us on
November 14. Instead, we will be showing a video.

*Echoes that remain* (62 minutes)
A study of Jewish shtetl life before the Holocaust, combining hundreds of
rare archival photos and previously unseen film footage, with live action
sequences shot on location at the sites of former Jewish communities in
Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

We hope to schedule the rabbi for a meeting in the future.

Joan
~~~
Joan Rosen, VP for Program
JGS Greater Philadelphia
jgrosen@...


JGSPBCI, FL correction to meeting notice #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Please excuse typo in previous meeting notice:
the correct email address for our Membership Liaison Chairperson is:

mnewman714@....

MODERATOR NOTE: THe original message was posted on November 5th, 2005
and was second on the digest.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSPBCI, FL correction to meeting notice #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Please excuse typo in previous meeting notice:
the correct email address for our Membership Liaison Chairperson is:

mnewman714@....

MODERATOR NOTE: THe original message was posted on November 5th, 2005
and was second on the digest.


Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon: November 21st Monthly Meeting, #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our very special November monthly meeting.

Date: Monday, November 21, 2005
Time: 7:30 to 9:30 pm
Place: Neveh Shalom Chapel
2900 Peaceful Lane
Portland, Oregon
(Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway/North on Dosch Rd/Right on Peaceful Lane)

Finding Home
In the Footsteps of the Jewish Fusgeyers
presented by Jill Culiner

Join the author of the incredible story of Romanian Jews who crossed
Europe on foot (fusgeyers is the Yiddish word for 'foot-goers' —
wayfarers). In groups sometimes numbering 200-300, they walked >from
Romania to the ports of Germany in order to escape anti-Semitism and
emigrate to America. In 2005, this book won the Joseph and Faye
Tanenbaum Prize in Jewish History >from the Canadian Jewish Book Award
Committee. Ms. Culiner is a professional photographer and consummate
traveller who divides her time between Toronto, Hungary and France. She
currently is preparing an exhibition (with texts) about the Hungarian
Holocaust — the ghettos and the vanished synagogues — that will be shown
in Budapest at the Holocaust Museum.

This event is *free* to JGSO members. Contributions at the door of $2 door
are requested >from non-members to help us defray the meeting cost.
Contribution can be deducted >from new membership if you join that evening.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will
receive periodic messages concerning Jewish genealogy. Your name and
e-mail address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web
site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs
< http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs >, or call Joan Teller at 503-636-5626.

The JGSO is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon: November 21st Monthly Meeting, #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our very special November monthly meeting.

Date: Monday, November 21, 2005
Time: 7:30 to 9:30 pm
Place: Neveh Shalom Chapel
2900 Peaceful Lane
Portland, Oregon
(Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway/North on Dosch Rd/Right on Peaceful Lane)

Finding Home
In the Footsteps of the Jewish Fusgeyers
presented by Jill Culiner

Join the author of the incredible story of Romanian Jews who crossed
Europe on foot (fusgeyers is the Yiddish word for 'foot-goers' —
wayfarers). In groups sometimes numbering 200-300, they walked >from
Romania to the ports of Germany in order to escape anti-Semitism and
emigrate to America. In 2005, this book won the Joseph and Faye
Tanenbaum Prize in Jewish History >from the Canadian Jewish Book Award
Committee. Ms. Culiner is a professional photographer and consummate
traveller who divides her time between Toronto, Hungary and France. She
currently is preparing an exhibition (with texts) about the Hungarian
Holocaust — the ghettos and the vanished synagogues — that will be shown
in Budapest at the Holocaust Museum.

This event is *free* to JGSO members. Contributions at the door of $2 door
are requested >from non-members to help us defray the meeting cost.
Contribution can be deducted >from new membership if you join that evening.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will
receive periodic messages concerning Jewish genealogy. Your name and
e-mail address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web
site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs
< http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs >, or call Joan Teller at 503-636-5626.

The JGSO is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.


Gesher Galicia & BOF Meeting-NYC-Nov. 20th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Reminder:

Gesher Galicia will be holding a regional meeting jointly sponsored by the
Jewish Genealogical Society of New York on Sunday, November 20th at the
Center for Jewish History in Manhattan.

In addition to the main program, beginning at 2:00PM with speakers Mark
Halpern (on JRI-Poland), Suzan Wynne (on Jewish Life in Galicia), Logan
Kleinwaks (on using OCR to search Galician/Polish directories) and Shelley
Pollero (on Allegro-Polish auction site), and a showing of two short films:
"The Jews of Poland-Lvov" shot in 1939, and "I Remember Jewish Drohobycz,"
an interview with David Einsiedler, we will be holding many
birds-of-a-feather meetings >from 12:00N - 2:00PM.

These are the towns/villages and cities represented so far are:

Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) (Including towns: Skalat,
Grzymalowe. Trembowla, Zalesczczki, Kopyczynce, Zbaraz, Borsczow, Buczacz)

Kobuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) & RZESZOW (Including towns: Lancut,
Mielec, Nisko, Pisno Ropczyce, Stryzyzow, Tarnobrzeg)

Drohobycz, Borislaw, Sambor & Stryj

Kolomea region

Krakow region

Ivano Frankivsk

Brozow, Sanok, Lesko, Krosno

Lviv region

Przemysl

For some regions and towns there will be special presentations on travel,
maps, books, Holocaust, archival and vital record research and cemetery
restoration updates, with opportunities to network and share information
with others. If you want to present a report on your town, or have
information for a handout specific to your region, please contact Eden
Joachim who is coordinating the BOF groups:

esjoachim@...

For more information on the main program or BOF meetings go to Gesher
Galicia's event page:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

Or the JGSNY web site:

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

These sites provide directions to the Center for Jewish History, lunch
options, and detailed program information.

We look forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gesher Galicia & BOF Meeting-NYC-Nov. 20th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Reminder:

Gesher Galicia will be holding a regional meeting jointly sponsored by the
Jewish Genealogical Society of New York on Sunday, November 20th at the
Center for Jewish History in Manhattan.

In addition to the main program, beginning at 2:00PM with speakers Mark
Halpern (on JRI-Poland), Suzan Wynne (on Jewish Life in Galicia), Logan
Kleinwaks (on using OCR to search Galician/Polish directories) and Shelley
Pollero (on Allegro-Polish auction site), and a showing of two short films:
"The Jews of Poland-Lvov" shot in 1939, and "I Remember Jewish Drohobycz,"
an interview with David Einsiedler, we will be holding many
birds-of-a-feather meetings >from 12:00N - 2:00PM.

These are the towns/villages and cities represented so far are:

Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) (Including towns: Skalat,
Grzymalowe. Trembowla, Zalesczczki, Kopyczynce, Zbaraz, Borsczow, Buczacz)

Kobuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) & RZESZOW (Including towns: Lancut,
Mielec, Nisko, Pisno Ropczyce, Stryzyzow, Tarnobrzeg)

Drohobycz, Borislaw, Sambor & Stryj

Kolomea region

Krakow region

Ivano Frankivsk

Brozow, Sanok, Lesko, Krosno

Lviv region

Przemysl

For some regions and towns there will be special presentations on travel,
maps, books, Holocaust, archival and vital record research and cemetery
restoration updates, with opportunities to network and share information
with others. If you want to present a report on your town, or have
information for a handout specific to your region, please contact Eden
Joachim who is coordinating the BOF groups:

esjoachim@...

For more information on the main program or BOF meetings go to Gesher
Galicia's event page:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

Or the JGSNY web site:

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

These sites provide directions to the Center for Jewish History, lunch
options, and detailed program information.

We look forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@...


JGS Broward Florida November Meeting #general

kasakaplan@...
 

JGS Broward County Florida Meeting
Wednesday, November 16th at 7:00 PM
South Broward Regional Library
7300 Pines Boulevard
Pembroke Pines, Florida

The month of November has been selected as Jewish Book Month and Jewish
Heritage Month. Family traditions and Family heritage -learning where they came
from, why they came, and how they came, are part of what the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Broward County is all about.

How better to show pride in our heritage than to trace the history of Jewish
figures in America who had influence in the halls of power - >from Haym Salomon
to Joseph Lieberman. Following a short business meeting at 7:00 PM, our
guest speaker, Eli Kavon, is scheduled to speak at 7:30 PM. Admission is free and
guests are invited.


The focus of the evening's lecture will be on Jewish elites in America, >from
early Sephardic settlers, to German immigrants, to the arrival of more than a
million Jews >from Eastern Europe. A rather large topic, but Eli Kavon will
make it come alive for you.

Also in November, we have been invited by the North Regional Broward
Community College Library to display items of Judaica and Jewish genealogical
interest. The showcase is on the second floor and we encourage everyone to stop by
and visit.

JGSBC is proud to be part of both the North Regional BCC Library celebration
of Jewish Heritage Month in November 2005 and honored to host our meeting at
the South Broward Library on November 16th.

For additional information about the Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward
County, please visit our website at www.JGSBroward.org.


Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGS Broward County


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Broward Florida November Meeting #general

kasakaplan@...
 

JGS Broward County Florida Meeting
Wednesday, November 16th at 7:00 PM
South Broward Regional Library
7300 Pines Boulevard
Pembroke Pines, Florida

The month of November has been selected as Jewish Book Month and Jewish
Heritage Month. Family traditions and Family heritage -learning where they came
from, why they came, and how they came, are part of what the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Broward County is all about.

How better to show pride in our heritage than to trace the history of Jewish
figures in America who had influence in the halls of power - >from Haym Salomon
to Joseph Lieberman. Following a short business meeting at 7:00 PM, our
guest speaker, Eli Kavon, is scheduled to speak at 7:30 PM. Admission is free and
guests are invited.


The focus of the evening's lecture will be on Jewish elites in America, >from
early Sephardic settlers, to German immigrants, to the arrival of more than a
million Jews >from Eastern Europe. A rather large topic, but Eli Kavon will
make it come alive for you.

Also in November, we have been invited by the North Regional Broward
Community College Library to display items of Judaica and Jewish genealogical
interest. The showcase is on the second floor and we encourage everyone to stop by
and visit.

JGSBC is proud to be part of both the North Regional BCC Library celebration
of Jewish Heritage Month in November 2005 and honored to host our meeting at
the South Broward Library on November 16th.

For additional information about the Jewish Genealogical Society of Broward
County, please visit our website at www.JGSBroward.org.


Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGS Broward County


Kisber #hungary

michael perl <michael_perl9@...>
 

Would anyone be able to help with finding details on the Jewish Cemetery in
Kisber?
I have reason to be believe that my gt-gt-grandfather may have died there
but do not have a date, although it is most probably after 1900. Rather than
going through page after page of civil records, it will be easier to check
burial records >from the caretaker or whomever else may be able to help.

Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Michael Perl

New York


* Inheritance of surnames (was RE:The Origins of Katz Surname) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Hello Miriam,

Exactly in which part of Europe and during which historical period marriages were not recognized unless they were "validated" by a civil magistrate?

As far as I know, civil registration of marriages - i.e. marriages done by secular courts - only became in use in late 19th century, at least in Central and Eastern Europe. Until then, a religious ceremony was all one needed to have his/her marriage validated.

The registration was done by the religious community's registrar, usually the local priest or rabbi, and that resulted in a legally born child which could and indeed did inherited his father's surname.

Specifically, in the Hungarian pre-Trianon Kingdom, civil registration only begin in 1895, both for Jews and non-Jews.

Rarely have I seen birth records in which the baby inherited his mother's surname. In those rare cases where this happened, it was because the baby was born out of wedlock (a mamser, for the effects of Jewish halakhah).

Thus, the 'Katz' surname could very well be handed down for some generations, mainly if it was a Kohanite identification.

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0500 06.11.2005, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: RE:The Origins of Katz Surname
From: Miriam.Rubin@...
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:26:29 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

If you are wondering why the 'Katz' name was not 'handed' down >from generations to generations, just realize that in Europe, marriages were not recognized until the couple went to the town/ city magistrate. If they were married according to Torah but not according to the Secular courts yet and a baby was born in the interim, the child had the MOTHER's last name. Sometimes this was never straightened out. Hence, it is possible that the name was changed that way.
Miriam Rubin
New York, New York
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil