I have posted a headstone to Viewmate for translation of the Hebrew.
The direct link is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7144

Please reply directly to me at bobby1st@sprynet.com

Thanks in advance,

Bobby Furst

I have posted a headstone to Viewmate for translation of the Hebrew.
The direct link is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7144

Please reply directly to me at bobby1st@sprynet.com

Thanks in advance,

Bobby Furst

Hurricane Wilma forced us to cancel our October 23rd program featuring Ron
Arons.

We've got our power back, our phones are working again, we're cleaning up the
mess, and we have rescheduled his talk to:

Sunday, January 29th at 2:00 PM
Soref JCC, 6501 West Sunrise Blvd.
at 65 Avenue between University Drive and the Florida Turnpike
Plantation Florida.

There is plenty of free parking on the 16-acre campus. We are thrilled that
we have been able to reschedule this much anticipated event.

Our speaker Ron Arons is a seasoned genealogist who has given presentations
locally and abroad, including past International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies annual conferences. He will speak about Bugsy Siegel and
Meyer Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel, and their amazing lives.
The talk will not only provide a terrific story, but also focus on how and
where one can find non-traditional documents. Of special local interest, Meyer
Lansky, born Maier Suchowljansky, a Jew >from Grodno, once lived in Miami Beach
and later helped put Las Vegas on the map.

We just wanted to let everyone who lives in Florida or is planning to visit
Florida to mark the calendars now so that you will not miss this exciting and
informative lecture.

All are welcome, refreshments will be served; admission is free. For
additional information or inquiries, please check our website at
www.JGSBroward.org

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGSBroward Florida

In honor of the celebration of the 350th Anniversary of Jewish Settlement in
the United States, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami presents
Barbara Musikar who will speak about the New York City Jewish community in
the early 18th century and its ties to the Brazilian Jewish community as
well as communities in the Caribbean. Barbara will be basing this lecture on
her Master's thesis and her trips to the Caribbean and Brazil.

The JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. will also have a member Chanukah gift
exchange and holiday celebration. Please bring one gift $5 and under for our
grab bag. A special door prize will be raffled at this meeting.

The meeting will take place at 10 AM sharp at the Greater Miami Jewish
Federation, 4200 Biscayne Blvd, Miami on Sunday, December 4, 2005. Please
enter the parking lot on Federal Highway and bring picture ID.

For further information, please call the Society at 305-868-9226 or email
bar945@hotmail.com.

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc
VP Programming
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@atlanticbb.net

Hurricane Wilma forced us to cancel our October 23rd program featuring Ron
Arons.

We've got our power back, our phones are working again, we're cleaning up the
mess, and we have rescheduled his talk to:

Sunday, January 29th at 2:00 PM
Soref JCC, 6501 West Sunrise Blvd.
at 65 Avenue between University Drive and the Florida Turnpike
Plantation Florida.

There is plenty of free parking on the 16-acre campus. We are thrilled that
we have been able to reschedule this much anticipated event.

Our speaker Ron Arons is a seasoned genealogist who has given presentations
locally and abroad, including past International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies annual conferences. He will speak about Bugsy Siegel and
Meyer Lansky - the Men Behind the famous Flamingo Hotel, and their amazing lives.
The talk will not only provide a terrific story, but also focus on how and
where one can find non-traditional documents. Of special local interest, Meyer
Lansky, born Maier Suchowljansky, a Jew >from Grodno, once lived in Miami Beach
and later helped put Las Vegas on the map.

We just wanted to let everyone who lives in Florida or is planning to visit
Florida to mark the calendars now so that you will not miss this exciting and
informative lecture.

All are welcome, refreshments will be served; admission is free. For
additional information or inquiries, please check our website at
www.JGSBroward.org

Elaine L. Kaplan
Program Chairman
JGSBroward Florida

In honor of the celebration of the 350th Anniversary of Jewish Settlement in
the United States, the Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami presents
Barbara Musikar who will speak about the New York City Jewish community in
the early 18th century and its ties to the Brazilian Jewish community as
well as communities in the Caribbean. Barbara will be basing this lecture on
her Master's thesis and her trips to the Caribbean and Brazil.

The JGS of Greater Miami, Inc. will also have a member Chanukah gift
exchange and holiday celebration. Please bring one gift $5 and under for our
grab bag. A special door prize will be raffled at this meeting.

The meeting will take place at 10 AM sharp at the Greater Miami Jewish
Federation, 4200 Biscayne Blvd, Miami on Sunday, December 4, 2005. Please
enter the parking lot on Federal Highway and bring picture ID.

For further information, please call the Society at 305-868-9226 or email
bar945@hotmail.com.

Barbara Musikar
President JGS of Greater Miami, Inc
VP Programming
Surfside, FL
bmusikar@atlanticbb.net

Dear RavSiggers,

I am new to this SIG and have a question to help me with research on
my great grandfather Yossel LIPOWICZ ben Abram. The family has
always spoken about him being orphaned as a young child. We don't
know where he was born, but am beginning to think it was around the
area of Sokoly in Poland. He had several brothers and sisters and
one was a rabbi who died relatively young.

After losing his parents, Yossel "lived off the land," as my
grandfather told us and made his way to a Yeshiva, which apparently
was well known in the area.

He married Nechama MILEWICZ bat Moszk LIPSYC z Lejbka and finally
settled in Grajewo, in the Lomza gub of Poland. I have not heard of
a Yeshiva in Grajewo, and wondered if in fact, the town he went to
was Lomza.

I would like to learn more about the Yeshiva's in the Lomza region
and if there is a way to research students.

Thank you very much.

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com

Other surnames I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, SOKOLOWICZ,
Gabin, Poland BOL; Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: FLASZTERSZTEIN; Ukraine:
BLAS, BLEKHMAN, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FELDMAN, FISCHER, GITERMAN,
KVACHINSKIJ/KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKIJ, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN,

Dear RavSiggers,

I am new to this SIG and have a question to help me with research on
my great grandfather Yossel LIPOWICZ ben Abram. The family has
always spoken about him being orphaned as a young child. We don't
know where he was born, but am beginning to think it was around the
area of Sokoly in Poland. He had several brothers and sisters and
one was a rabbi who died relatively young.

After losing his parents, Yossel "lived off the land," as my
grandfather told us and made his way to a Yeshiva, which apparently
was well known in the area.

He married Nechama MILEWICZ bat Moszk LIPSYC z Lejbka and finally
settled in Grajewo, in the Lomza gub of Poland. I have not heard of
a Yeshiva in Grajewo, and wondered if in fact, the town he went to
was Lomza.

I would like to learn more about the Yeshiva's in the Lomza region
and if there is a way to research students.

Thank you very much.

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@aol.com

Other surnames I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, SOKOLOWICZ,
Gabin, Poland BOL; Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: FLASZTERSZTEIN; Ukraine:
BLAS, BLEKHMAN, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FELDMAN, FISCHER, GITERMAN,
KVACHINSKIJ/KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKIJ, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN,

Those of you who have been members of this SIG since
Spring 2005 will remember the amazing story of Joe
Breitenfeld >from Australia who was born in a prison
camp in Siberia to a Viennese father, Hans BREITENFELD
who died shortly after Joe's birth. Joe was searching
for his family all his life, but his initial posting
on Austria-Czech did the trick! I am delighted to
report that many close BREITENFELD members have been
found and a reunion was
held in Vienna in September. But, as always, there
still remain some mysteries.

I wonder whether Art Spira's query has serendipitously
solved one of them? As a result of Art's query, I have
been investigating the IGI Continental Europe records
of Trebic and Vienna very carefully and have come to
some interesting conclusions. But how about this re
Joe's grandparents, Karl and Karoline?

On 7 June 2005 I wrote to the SIG: Family of Karl
BREITENFELD
Karl [20 May 1854, Richenburg - 14 November 1923,
Vienna] married Karoline POLLAK [2 September 1868,
Trebitsch, Moravia] on 26 Oct 1890 in Vienna. Her
parents were Eduard POLLAK and Minna KRONSTEIN or
KORNSTEIN {difficulty in deciphering the writing!}.

I told Joe it would be hard to produce a POLLAK tree
as there were so many, but - blow me - here is an
Eduard POLLAK >from Trebic in the IGI records [who
would have thought of looking for a POLLAK from
Trebic there?]:

EDUARD POLLAK Male
Birth: 28 MAR 1843 Trebic, Trebic, Czechoslovakia
Parents: Father: David POLLAK Mother: Lena
KOHNBERGEROVA

The dates would fit but it may be a red herring. I do
not think so [see below!]. Then searching for
KOHNBERGEROVA we find Lena's parents as: Lena
KOHNBERGEROVA
Birth: 20 May 1820 Trebic
Father: Marek KOHNBERGER
Mother: Alzbeta Eleanora GOLDSCHMIEDOVA

You will note Alzbeta also has a sister, Josefa.

And then if you look at the Vienna cemetery database
you do indeed find Eduard and Minna POLLAK buried
there at Zentralfriedhof [ZF] Tor IV Group 8 Row 12
Grave 44.

Pollack [sic] Mina aged 83 09.09.1928
Pollak Eduard aged 82 15.07.1925
Pollak Emil aged 67 17.03.1940 - 20.03.1940

I strongly suspect that Eduard and Mina are Joe's
gt-grandparents and Emil is his great-uncle, namely an
unknown younger brother of Joe's grandmother, Karoline
nee POLLAK.

We can even find David POLLAK's details:
Birth: 21 Jan 1814 Trebic
Father: Abraham POLLAK Mother: Sibila BAUEROVA

There is a grave for David at the ZF which might fit
but that would be amazingly lucky:
POLLAK David aged 66 21.05.1880 Tor I Group 6 Row 1
Grave 10.

So we now hopefully have got as far back as Joe's
gtgtgt grandfather Abraham Pollak. All this should be
cross-checked with the original archival documents for
confirmation.

I have followed up other family names >from Trebic
during the day and so far have come up with this list:


ABELES BACHRACH BAECKOVA BAUER BAUEROVA FUERSTOVA
GLASER
GLASNER GLASNEROVA GOLDSCHMIEDOVA KLEINOVA
KOHNBERGEROVA
KULKA LEDERER LISSOVA PICK POLLAK SPIRA TAUSSIGOVA
WEITZMANN

There are probably many more, but it needs time and
patience to find them. I hereby retract my statement
of yesterday in which I suggested that this data is
probably based on submitted family trees. I am now
more than ever convinced that some vital records from
Trebic came into the hands of the Mormons and were
transcribed onto the IGI index. Wolf-Erich Eckstein
sent us a posting some years ago where he listed the
Trebic record which were available in Prague.* The
various families I found were not all linked by
marriage and one could not skip >from one record to
another. I only found them by trial and error using
possible Jewish family names >from Trebic.

Unfortunately, one cannot carry out a reverse search
with *Trebic* as a keyword. Trebic seems to have been
singled out for this IGI treatment as PICK and other
common names do not elicit hits for other Moravian
towns. When and where the Trebic records were found is
anyone's guess. Also the IGI records probably
represent just a fraction of an original document.

As for Henry Wellisch's Simon DEUTSCH family
"zustandig in Trebic" - so far I have not found one in
the IGI records for Trebic.

I believe I have also solved the Vienna IGI records
birth riddle.
But that will be for another posting.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Fotnotes:

* 19 Feb 2001: Wolf-Erich Eckstein wrote - All Jewish
records for Bohemia & Moravia are located in Prague,
State Archives. For Trebic: Birth: 1784-1858,
1864-1899, 1901-1905, 1906-1939, 1942-1943 Marriages:
1784-1858, 1865-1939, 1942-1943
Death: 1790-1856, 1862-1938, 1942-1945

Those of you who have been members of this SIG since
Spring 2005 will remember the amazing story of Joe
Breitenfeld >from Australia who was born in a prison
camp in Siberia to a Viennese father, Hans BREITENFELD
who died shortly after Joe's birth. Joe was searching
for his family all his life, but his initial posting
on Austria-Czech did the trick! I am delighted to
report that many close BREITENFELD members have been
found and a reunion was
held in Vienna in September. But, as always, there
still remain some mysteries.

I wonder whether Art Spira's query has serendipitously
solved one of them? As a result of Art's query, I have
been investigating the IGI Continental Europe records
of Trebic and Vienna very carefully and have come to
some interesting conclusions. But how about this re
Joe's grandparents, Karl and Karoline?

On 7 June 2005 I wrote to the SIG: Family of Karl
BREITENFELD
Karl [20 May 1854, Richenburg - 14 November 1923,
Vienna] married Karoline POLLAK [2 September 1868,
Trebitsch, Moravia] on 26 Oct 1890 in Vienna. Her
parents were Eduard POLLAK and Minna KRONSTEIN or
KORNSTEIN {difficulty in deciphering the writing!}.

I told Joe it would be hard to produce a POLLAK tree
as there were so many, but - blow me - here is an
Eduard POLLAK >from Trebic in the IGI records [who
would have thought of looking for a POLLAK from
Trebic there?]:

EDUARD POLLAK Male
Birth: 28 MAR 1843 Trebic, Trebic, Czechoslovakia
Parents: Father: David POLLAK Mother: Lena
KOHNBERGEROVA

The dates would fit but it may be a red herring. I do
not think so [see below!]. Then searching for
KOHNBERGEROVA we find Lena's parents as: Lena
KOHNBERGEROVA
Birth: 20 May 1820 Trebic
Father: Marek KOHNBERGER
Mother: Alzbeta Eleanora GOLDSCHMIEDOVA

You will note Alzbeta also has a sister, Josefa.

And then if you look at the Vienna cemetery database
you do indeed find Eduard and Minna POLLAK buried
there at Zentralfriedhof [ZF] Tor IV Group 8 Row 12
Grave 44.

Pollack [sic] Mina aged 83 09.09.1928
Pollak Eduard aged 82 15.07.1925
Pollak Emil aged 67 17.03.1940 - 20.03.1940

I strongly suspect that Eduard and Mina are Joe's
gt-grandparents and Emil is his great-uncle, namely an
unknown younger brother of Joe's grandmother, Karoline
nee POLLAK.

We can even find David POLLAK's details:
Birth: 21 Jan 1814 Trebic
Father: Abraham POLLAK Mother: Sibila BAUEROVA

There is a grave for David at the ZF which might fit
but that would be amazingly lucky:
POLLAK David aged 66 21.05.1880 Tor I Group 6 Row 1
Grave 10.

So we now hopefully have got as far back as Joe's
gtgtgt grandfather Abraham Pollak. All this should be
cross-checked with the original archival documents for
confirmation.

I have followed up other family names >from Trebic
during the day and so far have come up with this list:


ABELES BACHRACH BAECKOVA BAUER BAUEROVA FUERSTOVA
GLASER
GLASNER GLASNEROVA GOLDSCHMIEDOVA KLEINOVA
KOHNBERGEROVA
KULKA LEDERER LISSOVA PICK POLLAK SPIRA TAUSSIGOVA
WEITZMANN

There are probably many more, but it needs time and
patience to find them. I hereby retract my statement
of yesterday in which I suggested that this data is
probably based on submitted family trees. I am now
more than ever convinced that some vital records from
Trebic came into the hands of the Mormons and were
transcribed onto the IGI index. Wolf-Erich Eckstein
sent us a posting some years ago where he listed the
Trebic record which were available in Prague.* The
various families I found were not all linked by
marriage and one could not skip >from one record to
another. I only found them by trial and error using
possible Jewish family names >from Trebic.

Unfortunately, one cannot carry out a reverse search
with *Trebic* as a keyword. Trebic seems to have been
singled out for this IGI treatment as PICK and other
common names do not elicit hits for other Moravian
towns. When and where the Trebic records were found is
anyone's guess. Also the IGI records probably
represent just a fraction of an original document.

As for Henry Wellisch's Simon DEUTSCH family
"zustandig in Trebic" - so far I have not found one in
the IGI records for Trebic.

I believe I have also solved the Vienna IGI records
birth riddle.
But that will be for another posting.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Fotnotes:

* 19 Feb 2001: Wolf-Erich Eckstein wrote - All Jewish
records for Bohemia & Moravia are located in Prague,
State Archives. For Trebic: Birth: 1784-1858,
1864-1899, 1901-1905, 1906-1939, 1942-1943 Marriages:
1784-1858, 1865-1939, 1942-1943
Death: 1790-1856, 1862-1938, 1942-1945

Dear Friends:

Does anyone know the meaning of the following Slavic terms:

1. Skolnik
2. Spektor (or Spentor)
3. Padinchik (or padinchek)

These are professions.

Thanks,
David Buch

buch@uni.edu

Dear Friends:

Does anyone know the meaning of the following Slavic terms:

1. Skolnik
2. Spektor (or Spentor)
3. Padinchik (or padinchek)

These are professions.

Thanks,
David Buch

buch@uni.edu

I have followed with interest the discussion on Trebitsch and the reason is
as follows. My maternal grandfather Simon DEUTSCH was born in 1855 in Moson
(Wieselburg) in western Hungary, now known as Mosonmagyarovar. His parents
were Jakob DEUTSCH and Therese OESTERREICHER. Simon married my grandmother
in 1883 and he is referred to in the marriage register as Simon DEUTSCH
Junior. I have never been able to find out what "Senior" meant nor anything
about the rest of the DEUTSCH family, except that in some document Simon is
referred to as being "Zustaendig" in Trebitsch, even though he was born in
Hungary.

from this I assume that his father Jakob and perhaps his mother came from

Trebitsch. I checked now the IGI and of course there are many DEUTSCH from
Czechoslovakia, including one Jakob DEUTSCH >from Bohemia, but not one from
Trebitsch. Any comments or recommendation on what else one may do?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto

My mother always refers to her brother Alexander (born Vienna, 1909) as
"Schando".

Am I correct in assuming this is a manipulation of the latter portion of
his name to create a term of familiarity?

Is (or was) this name "Schando" common?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia

I have followed with interest the discussion on Trebitsch and the reason is
as follows. My maternal grandfather Simon DEUTSCH was born in 1855 in Moson
(Wieselburg) in western Hungary, now known as Mosonmagyarovar. His parents
were Jakob DEUTSCH and Therese OESTERREICHER. Simon married my grandmother
in 1883 and he is referred to in the marriage register as Simon DEUTSCH
Junior. I have never been able to find out what "Senior" meant nor anything
about the rest of the DEUTSCH family, except that in some document Simon is
referred to as being "Zustaendig" in Trebitsch, even though he was born in
Hungary.

from this I assume that his father Jakob and perhaps his mother came from

Trebitsch. I checked now the IGI and of course there are many DEUTSCH from
Czechoslovakia, including one Jakob DEUTSCH >from Bohemia, but not one from
Trebitsch. Any comments or recommendation on what else one may do?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto

My mother always refers to her brother Alexander (born Vienna, 1909) as
"Schando".

Am I correct in assuming this is a manipulation of the latter portion of
his name to create a term of familiarity?

Is (or was) this name "Schando" common?

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia

For a detailed discussed of Celia's question (and related others) see my
article in the current issue of AVOTAYNU. It's entitled "Mormon/Jewish
Controversy: An Update."

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Finding many Jews >from a given town in the Mormon International Genealogical
Index usually signifies that the Mormon Church acquired Jewish records from
the town and posthumously baptized all the persons. In the case of Trebic, I
searched the Family History Library online catalog and found they have a
book "Jewish monuments in Trebistch" which undoubtedly includes grave stones
that the Church used to extract information about the people.

Gary Mokotoff

For a detailed discussed of Celia's question (and related others) see my
article in the current issue of AVOTAYNU. It's entitled "Mormon/Jewish
Controversy: An Update."

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Finding many Jews >from a given town in the Mormon International Genealogical
Index usually signifies that the Mormon Church acquired Jewish records from
the town and posthumously baptized all the persons. In the case of Trebic, I
searched the Family History Library online catalog and found they have a
book "Jewish monuments in Trebistch" which undoubtedly includes grave stones
that the Church used to extract information about the people.

Gary Mokotoff