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GRUNROCK #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have been working with Stephanie Weiner to try and
solve the mystery of the disappearing GRUNRO{C}K. They
did exist - they appeared and disappeared. One of the
problems is the different spellings. There appears to
be some connection with the UK but they are not in the
census of England and Wales [1851-1901].

Stephanie found that they had arrived in the USA from
Scotland. So I searched the index of the Scottish
census - one has to pay to search in detail, but one
can access a free surname search:

GREENROCK:
Search Count: Census 1861 0; Census 1871 0; Census
1881 0
Census 1891 0; **Census 1901 8**

Old Parish Records Births & Christenings 1553 - 1854 O
Old Parish Records Banns & Marriages 1553 - 1854 0
Statutory Register Births **1855 - 1904 2**
Statutory Register Marriages / Banns 1855 - 1929 0
Statutory Register Deaths **1855 - 1954 1**
Wills & Testaments 1513 - 1901 0

However if you enter GRENROCK [nb not GREENROCK] into
one of the best known internet genealogy sites you
even find an ancestry world tree of a Jewish
*GRENROCK* family >from Belgium [Bernard b. 10 Jan 1890
Brussels - marrying Bessi b. 10 March 1895 in
Edinburgh, Scotland - both died in LA]. Bessi's
father was Harris PASS b: 1865 in Latvia and her
mother Anna Unknown b: 1877 in Latvia.

Scotland had a relatively large population of Latvian
and Lithuanian Jews. We also read that *GRENROCK* was
originally *GRIENROCK* in Belgium!* What is
particularly satisfying is that we can correlate the 8
GREENROCK in the Scottish census of 1901 with the ones
arriving in the USA in three separate waves.

My conclusion is that GRUNROCK/GRIENROCK families
arrived in Scotland sometime between 1891 and 1901 -
changed their name to
GRE{E}NROCK, then left again - most probably for the
USA. Please note the GREENROCK births and deaths as
well in Scotland.

They then disappeared in the USA, so they must have
dropped the "ROCK" suffix and became plain *GREEN* or
died out?

And SSDI and IGI searches are also revealing. Try all
variants.
A close study of the SSDI data may reveal the
existence of Jewish GREENROCK, even today.

from the evidence Stephanie sent me, I would say that
at least some of these
GRUNRO{C}K/GREENROCK/GRENROCK/GRIENROCK were Galicians
[Austrian subjects]. We may find them in the jri-pl
database under variant spellings. I have yet to search
it.

I thank Stephanie for the friendly and, hopefully,
successful collaboration. At least Norma Schaffer [she
posed the original question and queried the connection
with hunting] will now know that her GRUNROCK were not
the only ones on the planet. They are still "out
there", probably in disguise.

Celia Male [U.K.]

*To confuse matters even more, there appear to be bona
fide English GRENROCK families living in
Leicestershire [UK].

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please continue this exchange privately.


JRI Poland #Poland GRUNROCK #poland

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have been working with Stephanie Weiner to try and
solve the mystery of the disappearing GRUNRO{C}K. They
did exist - they appeared and disappeared. One of the
problems is the different spellings. There appears to
be some connection with the UK but they are not in the
census of England and Wales [1851-1901].

Stephanie found that they had arrived in the USA from
Scotland. So I searched the index of the Scottish
census - one has to pay to search in detail, but one
can access a free surname search:

GREENROCK:
Search Count: Census 1861 0; Census 1871 0; Census
1881 0
Census 1891 0; **Census 1901 8**

Old Parish Records Births & Christenings 1553 - 1854 O
Old Parish Records Banns & Marriages 1553 - 1854 0
Statutory Register Births **1855 - 1904 2**
Statutory Register Marriages / Banns 1855 - 1929 0
Statutory Register Deaths **1855 - 1954 1**
Wills & Testaments 1513 - 1901 0

However if you enter GRENROCK [nb not GREENROCK] into
one of the best known internet genealogy sites you
even find an ancestry world tree of a Jewish
*GRENROCK* family >from Belgium [Bernard b. 10 Jan 1890
Brussels - marrying Bessi b. 10 March 1895 in
Edinburgh, Scotland - both died in LA]. Bessi's
father was Harris PASS b: 1865 in Latvia and her
mother Anna Unknown b: 1877 in Latvia.

Scotland had a relatively large population of Latvian
and Lithuanian Jews. We also read that *GRENROCK* was
originally *GRIENROCK* in Belgium!* What is
particularly satisfying is that we can correlate the 8
GREENROCK in the Scottish census of 1901 with the ones
arriving in the USA in three separate waves.

My conclusion is that GRUNROCK/GRIENROCK families
arrived in Scotland sometime between 1891 and 1901 -
changed their name to
GRE{E}NROCK, then left again - most probably for the
USA. Please note the GREENROCK births and deaths as
well in Scotland.

They then disappeared in the USA, so they must have
dropped the "ROCK" suffix and became plain *GREEN* or
died out?

And SSDI and IGI searches are also revealing. Try all
variants.
A close study of the SSDI data may reveal the
existence of Jewish GREENROCK, even today.

from the evidence Stephanie sent me, I would say that
at least some of these
GRUNRO{C}K/GREENROCK/GRENROCK/GRIENROCK were Galicians
[Austrian subjects]. We may find them in the jri-pl
database under variant spellings. I have yet to search
it.

I thank Stephanie for the friendly and, hopefully,
successful collaboration. At least Norma Schaffer [she
posed the original question and queried the connection
with hunting] will now know that her GRUNROCK were not
the only ones on the planet. They are still "out
there", probably in disguise.

Celia Male [U.K.]

*To confuse matters even more, there appear to be bona
fide English GRENROCK families living in
Leicestershire [UK].

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please continue this exchange privately.


IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQs #poland

Ada Green
 

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits
during the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy >from
August 13-18, 2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York),
we have just added a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked
Questions. They can be found at
<http://www.jgsny2006.org/frequently_asked_questions.cfm>,
along with the already existing sections on Conference Registration,
Hotel Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the New
York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing list by
visiting <http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

During your cemetery visit, please consider indexing your ancestral
landsmanshaft plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry (JOWBR).

Ada Green
Conference Cemetery Liaison
adagreen@att.net


GRUNROK #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Yad va Shem lists: GRINROK.
JRI-PL lists:GRUNROCK,GRYNROK and GRUNRACK
BEIDER lists:GRIENRO(C)K,GRUNROCK and GRUNROK.
U is with umlaut.
EDIB is better checked through the white list,not the
blue(Jewish) one.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JRI Poland #Poland IAJGS 2006 Conference New York Cemetery Visit FAQs #poland

Ada Green
 

For those of you planning to take our organized New York cemetery visits
during the 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy >from
August 13-18, 2006, hosted by The Jewish Genealogical Society (New York),
we have just added a section on Cemetery Visits to our Frequently Asked
Questions. They can be found at
<http://www.jgsny2006.org/frequently_asked_questions.cfm>,
along with the already existing sections on Conference Registration,
Hotel Reservations, Hotel Accommodations, and Miscellaneous.

We tried to anticipate as many questions about the cemetery visits as we
could think of and hopefully haven't left anything out. Be sure to read
them all and if you have any further inquiries please post them to the New
York 2006 Conference Mailing List. You can sign up for the mailing list by
visiting <http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/>.

During your cemetery visit, please consider indexing your ancestral
landsmanshaft plot or other burial society (synagogue, fraternal
organization, occupational plot, etc.) for the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry (JOWBR).

Ada Green
Conference Cemetery Liaison
adagreen@att.net


JRI Poland #Poland GRUNROK #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Yad va Shem lists: GRINROK.
JRI-PL lists:GRUNROCK,GRYNROK and GRUNRACK
BEIDER lists:GRIENRO(C)K,GRUNROCK and GRUNROK.
U is with umlaut.
EDIB is better checked through the white list,not the
blue(Jewish) one.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Warsaw1854 residents database #warsaw #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Researchers,
Alexander asked me to post this. I have found many of my husband's great
great grandfathers here and their addresses match the documents we have
gotten through the JRI-Poland projects.
Rose Feldman

An amazing database is available on this Polish site.
This is an excellent source for city of Warsaw researchers:

http://www.przodkowie.com/warszawa/

Data was compiled by Warsaw Police department in 1854.

For the researchers that possess a little Polish knowledge,
please use this little guide:

1. Search by person surname

If you are serching by the person surname, please use row of the
alphabetically arranged row of letters on the top of the page.

For example, if you are searching for surname Rozenbaum, click on "R".
Rozenbaum is listed under the sequential # 700 and it displays 12 people
by name Rozenbaum.
Now click on Rozenbaum - page now displays details of twelve Rozenbaums.

It provides the following data:
Rozenbaum first name, occupation, Warsaw city police district #,
street name and house number, type of the house
(eg. "K"- kamienica for the brick house),
and name of the house owner.

For example for Rozenbaum Dawid, the following is shown:

Rozenbaum Dawid handlarz swiec 1 Swietego Jana 30 K Lewandowski

Rozenbaum Dawid,
candle merchant,
city district #1,
30 Swietego Jana Street
K- brick house
Lewandowski- house owner
----
When reading Rozenbaum data, click on the street name, it will display data
on all buildings on Swietojanska street, and if you click on number "30"
it will display names of the residents of this house.

2. Search by street name

Please start at the same first page

http://www.przodkowie.com/warszawa/

Column at the left displays 212 Warsaw street names.
Click on the street name, by clicking on the house #,
it will display house owner on the top of the page,
and the names of house residents.
----
Note:

Please note that houses do not display street numbers.
Houses were numbered and registered sequentially,
without the relation to the street.

Good hunting,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Warsaw1854 residents database #warsaw #poland

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

Dear Researchers,
Alexander asked me to post this. I have found many of my husband's great
great grandfathers here and their addresses match the documents we have
gotten through the JRI-Poland projects.
Rose Feldman

An amazing database is available on this Polish site.
This is an excellent source for city of Warsaw researchers:

http://www.przodkowie.com/warszawa/

Data was compiled by Warsaw Police department in 1854.

For the researchers that possess a little Polish knowledge,
please use this little guide:

1. Search by person surname

If you are serching by the person surname, please use row of the
alphabetically arranged row of letters on the top of the page.

For example, if you are searching for surname Rozenbaum, click on "R".
Rozenbaum is listed under the sequential # 700 and it displays 12 people
by name Rozenbaum.
Now click on Rozenbaum - page now displays details of twelve Rozenbaums.

It provides the following data:
Rozenbaum first name, occupation, Warsaw city police district #,
street name and house number, type of the house
(eg. "K"- kamienica for the brick house),
and name of the house owner.

For example for Rozenbaum Dawid, the following is shown:

Rozenbaum Dawid handlarz swiec 1 Swietego Jana 30 K Lewandowski

Rozenbaum Dawid,
candle merchant,
city district #1,
30 Swietego Jana Street
K- brick house
Lewandowski- house owner
----
When reading Rozenbaum data, click on the street name, it will display data
on all buildings on Swietojanska street, and if you click on number "30"
it will display names of the residents of this house.

2. Search by street name

Please start at the same first page

http://www.przodkowie.com/warszawa/

Column at the left displays 212 Warsaw street names.
Click on the street name, by clicking on the house #,
it will display house owner on the top of the page,
and the names of house residents.
----
Note:

Please note that houses do not display street numbers.
Houses were numbered and registered sequentially,
without the relation to the street.

Good hunting,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


SITE CITE: Jewish Servicemen Killed in Action 1914-1918 #germany

Justin Levy <levyduffy@...>
 

http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/JSOLDAT/JSoldaten.htm

This website in German (and Russian) has a fully downloadable version of the book:
‘Die juedischen Gefallenen des Deutschen Heeres, der Deutschen Marine und der
Deutschen Schutztruppen. 1914-1918’,
which translates as ‘Jewish Servicemen of the German Army, German Navy
and German Colonial Forces who were killed in action 1914-1918’.

The book was compiled by the Imperial Confederation of Jewish Frontline Soldiers
(Reichsbund juedischer Frontsoldaten) some ten years after the end of the
First World War and records the names of about 12,000 men.

The first section is the alphabetical index giving name and town.
The second section is a listing by town giving the serviceman’s name,
dates of birth and death, as well as the unit in which he was serving at the time.

Justin Levy, Dublin, Ireland <levyduffy@eircom.net>


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE: Jewish Servicemen Killed in Action 1914-1918 #germany

Justin Levy <levyduffy@...>
 

http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/JSOLDAT/JSoldaten.htm

This website in German (and Russian) has a fully downloadable version of the book:
‘Die juedischen Gefallenen des Deutschen Heeres, der Deutschen Marine und der
Deutschen Schutztruppen. 1914-1918’,
which translates as ‘Jewish Servicemen of the German Army, German Navy
and German Colonial Forces who were killed in action 1914-1918’.

The book was compiled by the Imperial Confederation of Jewish Frontline Soldiers
(Reichsbund juedischer Frontsoldaten) some ten years after the end of the
First World War and records the names of about 12,000 men.

The first section is the alphabetical index giving name and town.
The second section is a listing by town giving the serviceman’s name,
dates of birth and death, as well as the unit in which he was serving at the time.

Justin Levy, Dublin, Ireland <levyduffy@eircom.net>


Re: LDS films of German non-Aryan Census 1939 #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

See also "The Nazi Census: Identification and Control in the Third Reich" by
Götz Aly and Karl Heinz Roth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1625_reg.html

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


Re: LDS films of German non-Aryan Census 1939 #general

Evelyn Waldstein
 

Jonathan Wreschner asked how to get information on people listed at the
non-Arian Census 1939 of Jews living in Germany, a data base which includes
all household members with place and date of birth.

This very rich database exists at the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum
and is accessible at the archive section of this place. The information
exists there on microfilm which has to be explored by the researcher himself
or as computerized data base somebody of the staff may look up for you.

I used it with great success during my visit to Washington looking for my
mothers relatives WASBUTZKY, BRAUDE, living in Germany at this time. I was
amazed to find out that many relatives I expected to find in East Prussia
(Tilsit, Koenigsberg, Breslau, Eydtkuhnen etc) have already moved to Berlin
and other places in Germany proper. In addition to the address in 1939 it
also gives the maiden names of married women and the "extent" of Jewishnes.

If you have somebody living in Washington this person can do for you a look
by asking for a specific name. For common names the knowledge of the place
is certainly helpful. A second possibility is to get directly in touch with
the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum Archives and ask to send you the
specific information you are interested in.

How to get in touch with the archives I can only offer the E-mail of the
Survivors Registry Section registry@ushmm.org or their phone 202-488.6130 or
Fax 202.314.7820 you may use to ask how to get directly in touch with the
archives.

In hope it may help you and other genners,
yours Evelyn Waldstein.
evewa@post.tau.ac.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS films of German non-Aryan Census 1939 #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

See also "The Nazi Census: Identification and Control in the Third Reich" by
Götz Aly and Karl Heinz Roth
http://www.temple.edu/tempress/titles/1625_reg.html

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS films of German non-Aryan Census 1939 #general

Evelyn Waldstein
 

Jonathan Wreschner asked how to get information on people listed at the
non-Arian Census 1939 of Jews living in Germany, a data base which includes
all household members with place and date of birth.

This very rich database exists at the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum
and is accessible at the archive section of this place. The information
exists there on microfilm which has to be explored by the researcher himself
or as computerized data base somebody of the staff may look up for you.

I used it with great success during my visit to Washington looking for my
mothers relatives WASBUTZKY, BRAUDE, living in Germany at this time. I was
amazed to find out that many relatives I expected to find in East Prussia
(Tilsit, Koenigsberg, Breslau, Eydtkuhnen etc) have already moved to Berlin
and other places in Germany proper. In addition to the address in 1939 it
also gives the maiden names of married women and the "extent" of Jewishnes.

If you have somebody living in Washington this person can do for you a look
by asking for a specific name. For common names the knowledge of the place
is certainly helpful. A second possibility is to get directly in touch with
the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum Archives and ask to send you the
specific information you are interested in.

How to get in touch with the archives I can only offer the E-mail of the
Survivors Registry Section registry@ushmm.org or their phone 202-488.6130 or
Fax 202.314.7820 you may use to ask how to get directly in touch with the
archives.

In hope it may help you and other genners,
yours Evelyn Waldstein.
evewa@post.tau.ac.il


looking for Brandes family from Bendin Poland and area #general

Sara Reichman <sara@...>
 

Hello

I am looking for BRANDES family who lives befor ww2 in Bendin Poland and
Kielce area (Sosnovitz and more).

Thank you

Sara

MODERATOR NOTE: Be sure to check the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) for other
researchers researching BRANDES >from Poland, and to list your names of interest
in the JGFF.
The JewishGen Family Finder is located at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen looking for Brandes family from Bendin Poland and area #general

Sara Reichman <sara@...>
 

Hello

I am looking for BRANDES family who lives befor ww2 in Bendin Poland and
Kielce area (Sosnovitz and more).

Thank you

Sara

MODERATOR NOTE: Be sure to check the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) for other
researchers researching BRANDES >from Poland, and to list your names of interest
in the JGFF.
The JewishGen Family Finder is located at: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/


American Federation For Polish Jews #general

sinamos_1@...
 

While going through a cache of old documents, I came across
correspondence between my mother and the American federation For
Polish Jews and the World Federation For Polish Jews.. The
correspondence dealt with obtaining visas for relatives of my mother
to permit them to go >from Poland to France.

I would like to get information about this organization, and to find
out whether any of their records still exist. The president of the
organization was Dr. Joseph Tenenbaum and the head of their visa
department was Samuel Tenenbaum.

Lewis Stein
Boynton Beach, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen American Federation For Polish Jews #general

sinamos_1@...
 

While going through a cache of old documents, I came across
correspondence between my mother and the American federation For
Polish Jews and the World Federation For Polish Jews.. The
correspondence dealt with obtaining visas for relatives of my mother
to permit them to go >from Poland to France.

I would like to get information about this organization, and to find
out whether any of their records still exist. The president of the
organization was Dr. Joseph Tenenbaum and the head of their visa
department was Samuel Tenenbaum.

Lewis Stein
Boynton Beach, FL


VM7229 - Translation from Russian Help #general

Stewart Bernstein <skbernst123@...>
 

I have recently received eight certificates from
Jewish Records Indexing Poland and would appreciate
help with the Russian translations. The first document
can now be found on ViewMate
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html) as
file # VM7229.

I thank anyone in advance who may offer assistance.

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Reseaching:
from Pultusk & Przasnysk/Pruznitz, Poland: NIESTEMPOWER, KARSCH, KIERSZENBAUM,
DOMB, DROZNEK, ZELKOWITZ, ZYLBERBERG, BLINKITNY, EICHLER, BERNSTEIN
(some Berns in the U.S./Chicago), NAJMAN/NEUMAN

Researching >from Warka/Vurka, Poland: KARCZEWA/KARCHOVA

Researching >from Labun/Polonnoye, Ukraine: BARANSHTEYN/BERNSTEIN

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM7229 - Translation from Russian Help #general

Stewart Bernstein <skbernst123@...>
 

I have recently received eight certificates from
Jewish Records Indexing Poland and would appreciate
help with the Russian translations. The first document
can now be found on ViewMate
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html) as
file # VM7229.

I thank anyone in advance who may offer assistance.

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA


Reseaching:
from Pultusk & Przasnysk/Pruznitz, Poland: NIESTEMPOWER, KARSCH, KIERSZENBAUM,
DOMB, DROZNEK, ZELKOWITZ, ZYLBERBERG, BLINKITNY, EICHLER, BERNSTEIN
(some Berns in the U.S./Chicago), NAJMAN/NEUMAN

Researching >from Warka/Vurka, Poland: KARCZEWA/KARCHOVA

Researching >from Labun/Polonnoye, Ukraine: BARANSHTEYN/BERNSTEIN

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately. The direct link to this image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7229