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Re: Unique Surnames-correction #general

Benzy Shani <bzs@...>
 

Sorry, folks. This post should have read:

Shelnitz.
The earliest known record of this name is in Krasnoye at the turn of the
(20th) century -- my GGGF Chayim Leib Shelnitz and his siblings.
All current Shelnitzes (that are known to us) are descendants of either
Chayim Leib or of Aizik Shelnitz who was - as best we know - Chayim Leib's
first cousin.
And there really aren't many; my father (who emigrated to Israel in 1969)
has a few first cousins in the US (and I second cousins), and that's it.
My brothers and I haven't done much for perpetuating the name as we have
changed our name to the more Hebrew-sounding Shani.

All the Best,
Benzy Shani


Back at my desk (Michael Bernet) #general

MBernet@...
 

To all those who expressed concern during my absence, Many thanks. I have
just returned home after half a year of hospitalizations and am gaining
strength by the hour.

I appreciate all the many good wishes that were sent to me and I would like
to respond individually but that unfortunately will be impossible. If you
have any specific question that I have not answered since July 1, 2005, please
ask me again and I'll answer if I can.

I hope to be back in the saddle more fully in a few weeks, and to
participate in the 2006 NYC conference.

If you have a very generous heart and feel the need to express it, may I
remind you that a small gift to Jewishgen will spread around the blessings to
all our community.

Happier 2006

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome back Michael. We are glad to have good news on the
first day of the new year.
Those wishing to contribute to JewishGen please see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unique Surnames-correction #general

Benzy Shani <bzs@...>
 

Sorry, folks. This post should have read:

Shelnitz.
The earliest known record of this name is in Krasnoye at the turn of the
(20th) century -- my GGGF Chayim Leib Shelnitz and his siblings.
All current Shelnitzes (that are known to us) are descendants of either
Chayim Leib or of Aizik Shelnitz who was - as best we know - Chayim Leib's
first cousin.
And there really aren't many; my father (who emigrated to Israel in 1969)
has a few first cousins in the US (and I second cousins), and that's it.
My brothers and I haven't done much for perpetuating the name as we have
changed our name to the more Hebrew-sounding Shani.

All the Best,
Benzy Shani


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Back at my desk (Michael Bernet) #general

MBernet@...
 

To all those who expressed concern during my absence, Many thanks. I have
just returned home after half a year of hospitalizations and am gaining
strength by the hour.

I appreciate all the many good wishes that were sent to me and I would like
to respond individually but that unfortunately will be impossible. If you
have any specific question that I have not answered since July 1, 2005, please
ask me again and I'll answer if I can.

I hope to be back in the saddle more fully in a few weeks, and to
participate in the 2006 NYC conference.

If you have a very generous heart and feel the need to express it, may I
remind you that a small gift to Jewishgen will spread around the blessings to
all our community.

Happier 2006

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome back Michael. We are glad to have good news on the
first day of the new year.
Those wishing to contribute to JewishGen please see:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/


Re(2): RE Accented Hungarian #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

This illustrates the actual problem rather well of viviana's two examples=
below, the first displays on my computer as a capital e ("E") with an=
accent-grave, which is (almost) correct, but the second is a lower case o=
("o") with a diagonal stroke ("/") through it, which i am certain is not=
even close.

Some participants on h-sig (>from non-english-speaking countries) even have=
non-standard characters in their name fields, which makes it rather=
difficult to read (e.g. "=3D ? ISO-8859-1?Q? =3D 22"). this is a minor=
recurring nuisance, rather than a major problem, but it does illustrate the=
difficulty with non-english text.

Even though i have foreign (and even non-latin) languages and keyboards=
(hebrew, hungarian, and czech) loaded on my computer, most accented text=
>from windows-based computers will display incorrectly: e' and i' become=
capitalized, and a' turns into a single middle dot (like a semi-colon=
without the comma).

it's important to keep in mind that not all the recipients of this list are=
using the same computer hardware and software, and so it is very important=
to follow accepted standards. and "it works on my computer" is just not=
one of them.

klein tama's


ps. it's even easier to enter accented letters on a macintosh, but since=
that's outside the scope of the h-sig list, i'd be happy to discuss that=
with anybody who is interested, offline.


Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...> wrote:

To access accents and other symbols using the keyboard,
I've been writing in Spanish for quite some time by
holding ALT on the left while pressing diff numbers on
the far write. For example: alt+130 =3D =C8; alt+168 =3D =F8
etc.... One has to 'play' with the different
combinations to get to the desired symbols.


KHUST DRAHOVA VOLOVW #hungary

sam vank <sam.vank2@...>
 

Hello,Has anyone visited Drahova in the Carpatian?Gone to the cemetery
there?Is somebody see a tombstone with the name Yankovitsh or Getzovitsh?
Knows anything about the burial registrars >from this cemetery? Also,
is somebody visited Khust (chust)? Is somebody see a tombstone with the name
of Yakov Dovid or Rachel Moshkovits?Also, is somebody visited MEZHGORYE
(Volove) in the Carpatian? Is somebody see a tombstone with the name of
Fixler (HaKohen) or Shvimer (HaKohen)?Thanks,
S. Yankovitsh
London
UK


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re(2): RE Accented Hungarian #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

This illustrates the actual problem rather well of viviana's two examples=
below, the first displays on my computer as a capital e ("E") with an=
accent-grave, which is (almost) correct, but the second is a lower case o=
("o") with a diagonal stroke ("/") through it, which i am certain is not=
even close.

Some participants on h-sig (>from non-english-speaking countries) even have=
non-standard characters in their name fields, which makes it rather=
difficult to read (e.g. "=3D ? ISO-8859-1?Q? =3D 22"). this is a minor=
recurring nuisance, rather than a major problem, but it does illustrate the=
difficulty with non-english text.

Even though i have foreign (and even non-latin) languages and keyboards=
(hebrew, hungarian, and czech) loaded on my computer, most accented text=
>from windows-based computers will display incorrectly: e' and i' become=
capitalized, and a' turns into a single middle dot (like a semi-colon=
without the comma).

it's important to keep in mind that not all the recipients of this list are=
using the same computer hardware and software, and so it is very important=
to follow accepted standards. and "it works on my computer" is just not=
one of them.

klein tama's


ps. it's even easier to enter accented letters on a macintosh, but since=
that's outside the scope of the h-sig list, i'd be happy to discuss that=
with anybody who is interested, offline.


Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...> wrote:

To access accents and other symbols using the keyboard,
I've been writing in Spanish for quite some time by
holding ALT on the left while pressing diff numbers on
the far write. For example: alt+130 =3D =C8; alt+168 =3D =F8
etc.... One has to 'play' with the different
combinations to get to the desired symbols.


Hungary SIG #Hungary KHUST DRAHOVA VOLOVW #hungary

sam vank <sam.vank2@...>
 

Hello,Has anyone visited Drahova in the Carpatian?Gone to the cemetery
there?Is somebody see a tombstone with the name Yankovitsh or Getzovitsh?
Knows anything about the burial registrars >from this cemetery? Also,
is somebody visited Khust (chust)? Is somebody see a tombstone with the name
of Yakov Dovid or Rachel Moshkovits?Also, is somebody visited MEZHGORYE
(Volove) in the Carpatian? Is somebody see a tombstone with the name of
Fixler (HaKohen) or Shvimer (HaKohen)?Thanks,
S. Yankovitsh
London
UK


Re: RE Accented Hungarian #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

Frank Valoczy gives us a valuable tool how to produce the majority of the
missing characters on the keyboard. The ASCIIand DOS US characterset has
much more characters as seen on the keyboard. You can produce them on the
hard way by getting the characterset, part of the Windows systemprogramms by
the German windows by programme>Zubehor>systemprogramme>Zeichetabelle or the
easier way, by following Frank Valoczy's advice with ALT and xxxx numbers,
ALT must be held down during entering the numbers on the numeric part of the
keyboard and NumLock activated. There are only a very few Hungarian
characters which can't be produced that way and are replaced with a similar
character, this are characters with double acute signs. I hope the majority
with all operating system (DOS, Windows, MAC, UNIX/LINUX etc.) can use this
method.

A happy and better New Year
Best regards
Gábor Hirsch

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: destron@...
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Betreff: Re: [h-sig] RE Accented Hungarian
Datum: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:13 -0800 (PST)


For Hungarian, Alt+#### will give you these letters:

Á (0193, cap a-acute)
É (0201, cap e-acute)
Í (0205, cap i-acute)
Ó (0211, cap o-acute)
Õ (0213, cap o-tilde, used for o-double acute)
Ö (0214, cap o-diaresis)
Ú (0218, cap u-acute)
Û (0219, cap u-circumflex, used for u-double acute)
Ü (0220, cap u-diaresis)
á (0225, small a-acute)
é (0233, small e-acute)
í (0237, small i-acute)
ó (0243, small o-acute)
õ (0245, small o-tilde, used for o-double acute)
ö (0246, small o-diaresis)
ú (0250, small u-acute)
û (0251, small u-circumflex, used for u-double acute)
ü (0252, small u-diaresis)


Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: RE Accented Hungarian #hungary

g_hirsch@...
 

Frank Valoczy gives us a valuable tool how to produce the majority of the
missing characters on the keyboard. The ASCIIand DOS US characterset has
much more characters as seen on the keyboard. You can produce them on the
hard way by getting the characterset, part of the Windows systemprogramms by
the German windows by programme>Zubehor>systemprogramme>Zeichetabelle or the
easier way, by following Frank Valoczy's advice with ALT and xxxx numbers,
ALT must be held down during entering the numbers on the numeric part of the
keyboard and NumLock activated. There are only a very few Hungarian
characters which can't be produced that way and are replaced with a similar
character, this are characters with double acute signs. I hope the majority
with all operating system (DOS, Windows, MAC, UNIX/LINUX etc.) can use this
method.

A happy and better New Year
Best regards
Gábor Hirsch

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: destron@...
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Betreff: Re: [h-sig] RE Accented Hungarian
Datum: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:28:13 -0800 (PST)


For Hungarian, Alt+#### will give you these letters:

Á (0193, cap a-acute)
É (0201, cap e-acute)
Í (0205, cap i-acute)
Ó (0211, cap o-acute)
Õ (0213, cap o-tilde, used for o-double acute)
Ö (0214, cap o-diaresis)
Ú (0218, cap u-acute)
Û (0219, cap u-circumflex, used for u-double acute)
Ü (0220, cap u-diaresis)
á (0225, small a-acute)
é (0233, small e-acute)
í (0237, small i-acute)
ó (0243, small o-acute)
õ (0245, small o-tilde, used for o-double acute)
ö (0246, small o-diaresis)
ú (0250, small u-acute)
û (0251, small u-circumflex, used for u-double acute)
ü (0252, small u-diaresis)


Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Looking for Maiden Name - New York #general

GRAHAM LEWIS
 

Hi and happy new year to you all.

I have very little experience of researching in the US, and would appreciate
a little help.

Celia and Herman HOLOF were married in about 1922 probably in New York.
According to the 1930 US federal census they lived in the Bronx.

I'm trying to find out Celia's maiden name. Is this possible ?
It's possibly something like KUSHNER or KUSHNEROV.

Further, if possible, I'd like to discover the names of her parents.

According to the census, she was born in Russia and arrived in the US in
1904.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Best wishes

Graham Lewis
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Maiden Name - New York #general

GRAHAM LEWIS
 

Hi and happy new year to you all.

I have very little experience of researching in the US, and would appreciate
a little help.

Celia and Herman HOLOF were married in about 1922 probably in New York.
According to the 1930 US federal census they lived in the Bronx.

I'm trying to find out Celia's maiden name. Is this possible ?
It's possibly something like KUSHNER or KUSHNEROV.

Further, if possible, I'd like to discover the names of her parents.

According to the census, she was born in Russia and arrived in the US in
1904.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Best wishes

Graham Lewis
London, UK


Re: Relatives stopped responding!!! #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Leslie,
I've had the same experience, mostly with one particular branch of my
family. I made contact with my father's cousin, and we had a
delightful phone conversation, then nothing. I managed to make
contact with his son through totally different research, but with the
same result. It seems not a single person in that family is
interested in their extended family or history, and they're my only
doorway to learn about my great-grandmother's entire branch . . .

I've chosen to back off; I feel that pursuing it at this time will
only anger them more. I can only hope that someday some relative in
that branch will be curious, and someone will remember about me.

I also made contact with cousins in Russia, who were stunned, gleeful
and beside themselves that I'd been able to find them - they'd been
looking for their American family since WWII ended. A few months of
contact, then nothing. However, in this case, I suspect the reasons
are more political.

I'd recommend you wait a few weeks or months, then perhaps send them
a letter by regular mail, with perhaps some initial(but not
overwhelming) research, including a simplified handwritten family
tree (less intimidating than computer-printed, I feel).

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

I am becoming so frustrated, and am wondering whether others have
had the same experience. I made a contact on my family, albeit a
distant relative, and was so excited that we might be able to put
some of the pieces of my grandfather's family together, and actually
locate living relatives. After two email exchanges, he stopped
responding, and although I made several attempts to reconnect, my
emails were ignored.
snip
Leslie Weinberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Relatives stopped responding!!! #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Leslie,
I've had the same experience, mostly with one particular branch of my
family. I made contact with my father's cousin, and we had a
delightful phone conversation, then nothing. I managed to make
contact with his son through totally different research, but with the
same result. It seems not a single person in that family is
interested in their extended family or history, and they're my only
doorway to learn about my great-grandmother's entire branch . . .

I've chosen to back off; I feel that pursuing it at this time will
only anger them more. I can only hope that someday some relative in
that branch will be curious, and someone will remember about me.

I also made contact with cousins in Russia, who were stunned, gleeful
and beside themselves that I'd been able to find them - they'd been
looking for their American family since WWII ended. A few months of
contact, then nothing. However, in this case, I suspect the reasons
are more political.

I'd recommend you wait a few weeks or months, then perhaps send them
a letter by regular mail, with perhaps some initial(but not
overwhelming) research, including a simplified handwritten family
tree (less intimidating than computer-printed, I feel).

Good luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

I am becoming so frustrated, and am wondering whether others have
had the same experience. I made a contact on my family, albeit a
distant relative, and was so excited that we might be able to put
some of the pieces of my grandfather's family together, and actually
locate living relatives. After two email exchanges, he stopped
responding, and although I made several attempts to reconnect, my
emails were ignored.
snip
Leslie Weinberg


Re: Relatives stopped responding!!! #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Never give up. Maybe even call them. In my case I owe email but have gone through
periods of busy activity. I keep coming back to my email though.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA

From: Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
I am becoming so frustrated, and am wondering whether others have had the
same experience. I made a contact on my family, albeit a distant
relative, and was so excited that we might be able to put some of the
pieces of my grandfather's family together, and actually locate living
relatives. After two email exchanges, he stopped responding, and
although I made several attempts to reconnect, my emails were ignored.

Several weeks ago, I made another contact, thanks to a few of you who
were kind enough to make phone calls for me in Israel, and although
there seemed to be genuine excitement on the other end on behalf of a
granddaughter of a man who is also a distant relative of my
grandfather's family, that has fizzled also.
snip

Have any of you had the same experience, and if so, how do you deal with
it? At what point do you just throw your hands up in the air and accept
the fact that even though there is information you know is out there,
and which would help immensely in reconstructing family trees, that you
just aren't going to receive it, and therefore may never succeed in
tracking down lost relatives???? Leslie Weinberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Relatives stopped responding!!! #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Never give up. Maybe even call them. In my case I owe email but have gone through
periods of busy activity. I keep coming back to my email though.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA

From: Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
I am becoming so frustrated, and am wondering whether others have had the
same experience. I made a contact on my family, albeit a distant
relative, and was so excited that we might be able to put some of the
pieces of my grandfather's family together, and actually locate living
relatives. After two email exchanges, he stopped responding, and
although I made several attempts to reconnect, my emails were ignored.

Several weeks ago, I made another contact, thanks to a few of you who
were kind enough to make phone calls for me in Israel, and although
there seemed to be genuine excitement on the other end on behalf of a
granddaughter of a man who is also a distant relative of my
grandfather's family, that has fizzled also.
snip

Have any of you had the same experience, and if so, how do you deal with
it? At what point do you just throw your hands up in the air and accept
the fact that even though there is information you know is out there,
and which would help immensely in reconstructing family trees, that you
just aren't going to receive it, and therefore may never succeed in
tracking down lost relatives???? Leslie Weinberg


Looking to track down Gary Binetter #general

Reuben Gross <rgtect@...>
 

I'm trying to find email for Gary Binetter. maybe >from Australia but not
sure. Old email >from '99 was gbin@... but my emails got bounced.
Please respond privately.

Reuben Gross


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking to track down Gary Binetter #general

Reuben Gross <rgtect@...>
 

I'm trying to find email for Gary Binetter. maybe >from Australia but not
sure. Old email >from '99 was gbin@... but my emails got bounced.
Please respond privately.

Reuben Gross


Re: SACK family - From Prussia to London (via Cape Town) #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Daniel Gleek in London danielgee@... wrote:

Does anyone on your tree have the surname SACK?
I am seeking information on the brothers Hyman and Nathan SACK.

=I don't have anything with regard to the SACK family of the 19th century,
but in their book: " history of the Jews and the Jewish communities in Posen
province”. J?dische Gemeindebilder aus der Provinz Posen, Rabbi dr. Aaron
Heppner, and the teacher J. Herzberg wrote over 100 years ago in the chapter
about the town Schneidem?hl (Pila):

Around 1681, R. Menach. Nachum b. Israel Sak officiated rabbi in
Schneidem?hl .

By 1758 the community decided to employ a new rabbi again and the choice
fell on R. Meier b. Mordechai Sak as the interest on.

This paragraph is one of many which were translated and are part of my book
about communities and families of Posen Province, Prussia.

Best regards, Udi Cain, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SACK family - From Prussia to London (via Cape Town) #general

chaikin <chaikin@...>
 

Daniel Gleek in London danielgee@... wrote:

Does anyone on your tree have the surname SACK?
I am seeking information on the brothers Hyman and Nathan SACK.

=I don't have anything with regard to the SACK family of the 19th century,
but in their book: " history of the Jews and the Jewish communities in Posen
province”. J?dische Gemeindebilder aus der Provinz Posen, Rabbi dr. Aaron
Heppner, and the teacher J. Herzberg wrote over 100 years ago in the chapter
about the town Schneidem?hl (Pila):

Around 1681, R. Menach. Nachum b. Israel Sak officiated rabbi in
Schneidem?hl .

By 1758 the community decided to employ a new rabbi again and the choice
fell on R. Meier b. Mordechai Sak as the interest on.

This paragraph is one of many which were translated and are part of my book
about communities and families of Posen Province, Prussia.

Best regards, Udi Cain, Israel