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Re: ABELES in Chiesch, Bohemia
#austria-czech
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Susan Lubow NJ has followed up the ABELES >from Chiesch, Bohemia saga
and writes: "there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch. I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES who married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the 1820's. Their only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He had a son Max, b. Nov 21, 1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER and they had 7 children. The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger brothers, some of them born in Munich." I have been searching for any clues about a pair of missing ABELES from Moravia, Richard and Fritz, but instead found a mention on YadVashem of the above Max and Dorothea and the tragic fate of their son Friedrich and his two sons [grandsons of Max and Dorothea] . Father: Max; Mother: Dora of Chiesch Son: Friederich born 1 April 1892 - in Chiesch and murdered in Riga in Nov. 1941 together with his sons Oskar/David born 23 Feb 1922 in Munich and Walter, born 1 Jan 1927. Friederich's wife was Rosa nee KATZ, but she had already died. Testimony was given twice in 1971 in Florida by a cousin: Rita DOYCH [DEUTSCH], nee GALLINGER - [address & zip code deleted - Moderator] Miami Beach, Florida. Rita had a terrible task as other ABELES victims were: Max ABELES father Israel dob 21 Sept 1865 [wrongly transcribed as as 1885. Died in Thereseinstadt Dora ABELES nee ASCHENBRENNER [father Moses] - dob 7 Jan 1868 Died in Auschwitz. [Rita says she is the cousin of Max and Dora and their children]. Ernst ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 21 June 1895 Hilde ABELES wife of Ernst - dob 25 Nov 1895 - mother Bertha HEYMANN and Leopold HEYMANN of Wertheim, Germany. Liselotte ABELES - daughter of Ernst and Hilde dob 7 Feb 1924 Ernst, Hilde and Liselotte died in Riga in 1941. Eugen ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 2 Sept 1897 - died in Riga in 1941. Many family members lived in Munich 1939-1941. Rita also gave testimony for her sister Selma SUNDHEIMER and brother-in-law and niece Therese; her uncle Heinrich LINDO [mistranscribed as LINDE] and her aunt Paula [nee LINDO] ADLER. I have just sent in a correction for LINDE/LINDO and urge others to do the same when they see obvious mistakes. We remember all these tragic victims today and also Rita who gave testimony for them. It must have been a harrowing task for her. So, tragically, we can build a family tree for our little family >from Chiesch - but not in the way that one would wish, as most were wiped out in the holocaust. Exactly, how Rita was related to the ABELES, I have yet to work out. Hopefully there are descendants of Rita that can be traced. Celia Male [U.K.]
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES in Chiesch, Bohemia
#austria-czech
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Susan Lubow NJ has followed up the ABELES >from Chiesch, Bohemia saga
and writes: "there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch. I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES who married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the 1820's. Their only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He had a son Max, b. Nov 21, 1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER and they had 7 children. The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger brothers, some of them born in Munich." I have been searching for any clues about a pair of missing ABELES from Moravia, Richard and Fritz, but instead found a mention on YadVashem of the above Max and Dorothea and the tragic fate of their son Friedrich and his two sons [grandsons of Max and Dorothea] . Father: Max; Mother: Dora of Chiesch Son: Friederich born 1 April 1892 - in Chiesch and murdered in Riga in Nov. 1941 together with his sons Oskar/David born 23 Feb 1922 in Munich and Walter, born 1 Jan 1927. Friederich's wife was Rosa nee KATZ, but she had already died. Testimony was given twice in 1971 in Florida by a cousin: Rita DOYCH [DEUTSCH], nee GALLINGER - [address & zip code deleted - Moderator] Miami Beach, Florida. Rita had a terrible task as other ABELES victims were: Max ABELES father Israel dob 21 Sept 1865 [wrongly transcribed as as 1885. Died in Thereseinstadt Dora ABELES nee ASCHENBRENNER [father Moses] - dob 7 Jan 1868 Died in Auschwitz. [Rita says she is the cousin of Max and Dora and their children]. Ernst ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 21 June 1895 Hilde ABELES wife of Ernst - dob 25 Nov 1895 - mother Bertha HEYMANN and Leopold HEYMANN of Wertheim, Germany. Liselotte ABELES - daughter of Ernst and Hilde dob 7 Feb 1924 Ernst, Hilde and Liselotte died in Riga in 1941. Eugen ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 2 Sept 1897 - died in Riga in 1941. Many family members lived in Munich 1939-1941. Rita also gave testimony for her sister Selma SUNDHEIMER and brother-in-law and niece Therese; her uncle Heinrich LINDO [mistranscribed as LINDE] and her aunt Paula [nee LINDO] ADLER. I have just sent in a correction for LINDE/LINDO and urge others to do the same when they see obvious mistakes. We remember all these tragic victims today and also Rita who gave testimony for them. It must have been a harrowing task for her. So, tragically, we can build a family tree for our little family >from Chiesch - but not in the way that one would wish, as most were wiped out in the holocaust. Exactly, how Rita was related to the ABELES, I have yet to work out. Hopefully there are descendants of Rita that can be traced. Celia Male [U.K.]
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LAWGALLY
#germany
Suzie Phillips <suzie@...>
I am researching Edward Alexander Martin LAWGALLY (Born 1856 in Schelnez
Prussia) with not much success. I am trying to 1. establish that he was Jewish and 2 find any of his ancestors. I have searched many data bases and not found an exact match. He married Christiana Yohanna ENDRES (born in 1866 Sth Ca Suis, Germany) in Australia. Her family were >from Germany. (Christian Phillip ENDRES Born 1840 and Fredrica ARNOLD/ARMBOULT Born 1848). They had a son Edward Martin LAWGALL and a grandson Edward Martin LAWGALL, and a great grandson Peter Martin LAWGALL. He (the first Edward) disappeared >from Australia around 1887-91. His surname differs on different certificates LAWGALL AND LAWGALLY. We located another Edward Martin LAWGALL in Australia (born 1844 in Mammel, Prussia) He married in Australia and had one child there but unable to find any trace of him after the birth of daughter Florence in 1886. This second Edward Martin LAWGALL married a woman Matilda Ellen SAMUELS Australia in 1879. I found a Wilmer SAMUELS/LAUGALE born in the US in 1897. I am wondering if the 2 men called Edward LAWGALLY left Australia together and went to the United States via Germany. I have located many with Similar names LAUGALE, LAUGELI, LAWGALI, LOGEL, LAUGELLI, LAWGALI and many of them with the name Edward in US85 on Ellis island and US census data bases. Many seem to have grandfather, father and first born son called Edward. Some with Alexander and Martin as second names....Some of them state they are Hebrew, some not. Many of the ones who didn't state they were Hebrew travelled with Jews and have been located on census's living closely to Jews. I found a family in the United States with the name LAWGALI...all the first names are Jewish, one being a Latvian name day. So far unable to make contact. Some of them also have sisters, wives, daughters called Frieda or similar. He had a sister Fredricka or Freida. The fact there are so many with the name Edward Lawgally suggests something significant, but I don't know what. Does anyone have any info on any of these persons or have some suggestions as to where I might go >from here? I am very new to this. Suzie Lawgall Brisbane Australia suzie@...
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German SIG #Germany LAWGALLY
#germany
Suzie Phillips <suzie@...>
I am researching Edward Alexander Martin LAWGALLY (Born 1856 in Schelnez
Prussia) with not much success. I am trying to 1. establish that he was Jewish and 2 find any of his ancestors. I have searched many data bases and not found an exact match. He married Christiana Yohanna ENDRES (born in 1866 Sth Ca Suis, Germany) in Australia. Her family were >from Germany. (Christian Phillip ENDRES Born 1840 and Fredrica ARNOLD/ARMBOULT Born 1848). They had a son Edward Martin LAWGALL and a grandson Edward Martin LAWGALL, and a great grandson Peter Martin LAWGALL. He (the first Edward) disappeared >from Australia around 1887-91. His surname differs on different certificates LAWGALL AND LAWGALLY. We located another Edward Martin LAWGALL in Australia (born 1844 in Mammel, Prussia) He married in Australia and had one child there but unable to find any trace of him after the birth of daughter Florence in 1886. This second Edward Martin LAWGALL married a woman Matilda Ellen SAMUELS Australia in 1879. I found a Wilmer SAMUELS/LAUGALE born in the US in 1897. I am wondering if the 2 men called Edward LAWGALLY left Australia together and went to the United States via Germany. I have located many with Similar names LAUGALE, LAUGELI, LAWGALI, LOGEL, LAUGELLI, LAWGALI and many of them with the name Edward in US85 on Ellis island and US census data bases. Many seem to have grandfather, father and first born son called Edward. Some with Alexander and Martin as second names....Some of them state they are Hebrew, some not. Many of the ones who didn't state they were Hebrew travelled with Jews and have been located on census's living closely to Jews. I found a family in the United States with the name LAWGALI...all the first names are Jewish, one being a Latvian name day. So far unable to make contact. Some of them also have sisters, wives, daughters called Frieda or similar. He had a sister Fredricka or Freida. The fact there are so many with the name Edward Lawgally suggests something significant, but I don't know what. Does anyone have any info on any of these persons or have some suggestions as to where I might go >from here? I am very new to this. Suzie Lawgall Brisbane Australia suzie@...
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The 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards
#germany
Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
Dear Friends,
I want to share with you all a wonderful experience I had this past week. I was present at the 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards in Berlin. I tell you this not only because I had a fabulous time but because I would like to recommend the experience to all of you. The Obermayer Award, in short, provides annual awards to five non-Jewish Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to preserving Jewish history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in their own local communities. The awards are co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament and given in its elegant plenary chamber. (You can read more about the Award at: http://www.obermayer.us/award/index.htm This years recipients were: Johann Flesichmann (>from Bavaria) Guenter Heidt (>from Rheinland-Pfalz) Rolf Hofmann (>from Baden-Wuerttemberg) Kurt-Willi Julius and Karl-Heinz Stadtler (>from Hesse) Robert Kreibig (>from Berlin) Over the years I've had the honor and the pleasure of meeting many German nationals who have devoted much of their free time, their resources and their enthusiasm to preserving the German Jewish past. Many have been very helpful to me in finding information and links to help my genealogical research. Others have preserved community histories which have helped me to understand how my ancestors lived. I chose to initiate the nomination of one of these wonderful people, Mr. Rolf Hoffmann, and to support the nomination of another, Mr. Johann Fleischmann. I was lucky that both won. Actually, it wasn't luck… they deserved it. What the nomination involves is writing a letter describing the work and its significance of the person you are nominating. Full instructions are available on the website. The competition is strong but it is worth the effort. The people honored are deserving of the recognition and beyond simply recognizing the work they've done, the award makes some important statements. Co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament, the award provides the foundation for an official statement thanking these people for their devotion, their time and their efforts, for standing up among other German non-Jews (and sometimes taking a risk by doing that), for not forgetting and for not ignoring the past. Second, we are recognizing that Germany has many, many people who truly care about the Jewish people and preserving the part that Jews played in German history. It's a new generation. And I think that it is a phenomenon that is not as evident in other parts of Europe. I hope that this coming August you will take the time to honor those Germans who have helped you or have had an impact on the communities of your ancestors and send in a nomination. I also highly recommend attending the Award ceremony. It was a fabulous, well-organized, enjoyable and interesting two days among fascinating people in a beautiful city. What more can I say! Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@...>
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German SIG #Germany The 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards
#germany
Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
Dear Friends,
I want to share with you all a wonderful experience I had this past week. I was present at the 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards in Berlin. I tell you this not only because I had a fabulous time but because I would like to recommend the experience to all of you. The Obermayer Award, in short, provides annual awards to five non-Jewish Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to preserving Jewish history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in their own local communities. The awards are co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament and given in its elegant plenary chamber. (You can read more about the Award at: http://www.obermayer.us/award/index.htm This years recipients were: Johann Flesichmann (>from Bavaria) Guenter Heidt (>from Rheinland-Pfalz) Rolf Hofmann (>from Baden-Wuerttemberg) Kurt-Willi Julius and Karl-Heinz Stadtler (>from Hesse) Robert Kreibig (>from Berlin) Over the years I've had the honor and the pleasure of meeting many German nationals who have devoted much of their free time, their resources and their enthusiasm to preserving the German Jewish past. Many have been very helpful to me in finding information and links to help my genealogical research. Others have preserved community histories which have helped me to understand how my ancestors lived. I chose to initiate the nomination of one of these wonderful people, Mr. Rolf Hoffmann, and to support the nomination of another, Mr. Johann Fleischmann. I was lucky that both won. Actually, it wasn't luck… they deserved it. What the nomination involves is writing a letter describing the work and its significance of the person you are nominating. Full instructions are available on the website. The competition is strong but it is worth the effort. The people honored are deserving of the recognition and beyond simply recognizing the work they've done, the award makes some important statements. Co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament, the award provides the foundation for an official statement thanking these people for their devotion, their time and their efforts, for standing up among other German non-Jews (and sometimes taking a risk by doing that), for not forgetting and for not ignoring the past. Second, we are recognizing that Germany has many, many people who truly care about the Jewish people and preserving the part that Jews played in German history. It's a new generation. And I think that it is a phenomenon that is not as evident in other parts of Europe. I hope that this coming August you will take the time to honor those Germans who have helped you or have had an impact on the communities of your ancestors and send in a nomination. I also highly recommend attending the Award ceremony. It was a fabulous, well-organized, enjoyable and interesting two days among fascinating people in a beautiful city. What more can I say! Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@...>
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Re: Given Name Meta
#germany
Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
Steve Orlen wrote: "I'm new to German given names. Could anyone tell me about
the women's given name "Meta."" The given name Meta is a German secular name which was used as such by German Jews, as well as in association with other given names. One such other use was as a German nickname for a series of Yiddish names, Meyta, Meytil, Meytl, Mayta, Matil, .... when these Yiddish names were themselves transliterated to the German language. It was also used as a nickname for the German secular name Margret, itself a nickname for the German secular name Margareta. These names can be seen on the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at: < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ > by searching for the name "Meta" (without the quotation marks), using Global Text Search. Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@...>
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German SIG #Germany Re: Given Name Meta
#germany
Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
Steve Orlen wrote: "I'm new to German given names. Could anyone tell me about
the women's given name "Meta."" The given name Meta is a German secular name which was used as such by German Jews, as well as in association with other given names. One such other use was as a German nickname for a series of Yiddish names, Meyta, Meytil, Meytl, Mayta, Matil, .... when these Yiddish names were themselves transliterated to the German language. It was also used as a nickname for the German secular name Margret, itself a nickname for the German secular name Margareta. These names can be seen on the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at: < http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ > by searching for the name "Meta" (without the quotation marks), using Global Text Search. Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@...>
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Re: New York ship arrivals 1935-1938 are online
#germany
Elizabeth Landaw <landaw@...>
Indeed this is an incredible resource. [Thanks to Rene for the SITE CITE.]
I found loads of information I was searching for for a long time. Only one page of the manifest is scanned for each record, and I have noticed that there are some glitches in the form of missing manifests. However each record has a "summary" which often lists a friend's name (undoubtedly >from the second page of the manifest) which I presume is the name of the person who sponsored the immigrant. I would be happy to assist anyone in using this resource. Elizabeth Isenberg Landaw Los Angeles, CA landaw@...
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German SIG #Germany RE: New York ship arrivals 1935-1938 are online
#germany
Elizabeth Landaw <landaw@...>
Indeed this is an incredible resource. [Thanks to Rene for the SITE CITE.]
I found loads of information I was searching for for a long time. Only one page of the manifest is scanned for each record, and I have noticed that there are some glitches in the form of missing manifests. However each record has a "summary" which often lists a friend's name (undoubtedly >from the second page of the manifest) which I presume is the name of the person who sponsored the immigrant. I would be happy to assist anyone in using this resource. Elizabeth Isenberg Landaw Los Angeles, CA landaw@...
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Zeimer
#austria-czech
HOLIJOLI@...
Re: Randy Schoenberg's ZEIMER family:
In my ancestry, there is a Schadel Leah ZEIMER who was born about 1800, presumably in Prague, and who was reared in the Lammel Orphan Asylum in Prague. Does anyone know anything about her family? She married Nathan KUSSY whose family moved >from Prasne Ujezd to Krashowitz (Krasovice) Later, in the 1840's they settled in Scheles, which is now Zihle. Is there a relationship here? Susan L. Lubow Morristown, NJ
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Zeimer
#austria-czech
HOLIJOLI@...
Re: Randy Schoenberg's ZEIMER family:
In my ancestry, there is a Schadel Leah ZEIMER who was born about 1800, presumably in Prague, and who was reared in the Lammel Orphan Asylum in Prague. Does anyone know anything about her family? She married Nathan KUSSY whose family moved >from Prasne Ujezd to Krashowitz (Krasovice) Later, in the 1840's they settled in Scheles, which is now Zihle. Is there a relationship here? Susan L. Lubow Morristown, NJ
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Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@...> wrote:
DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or inNaturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as Jaffe and Heilprin. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@...> wrote:
DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or inNaturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as Jaffe and Heilprin. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel
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Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
#unitedkingdom
David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery (situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233 headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm The site also includes a plan of the cemetery. David Shulman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
#unitedkingdom
David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery (situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233 headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm The site also includes a plan of the cemetery. David Shulman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: more about Max WOLK
#belarus
Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Jonathon,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears. There is a lot of data in City Directories. Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk about this. The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific birthplace. There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few. Good luck, Joe Fibel, New Rochelle, NY P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this immediately. If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have $163,609.00 any information about this branch
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From: <jonathanridgeway@...> To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@...> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [belarus] more about Max WOLK Support the work of the Belarus SIG
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: more about Max WOLK
#belarus
Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Jonathon,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears. There is a lot of data in City Directories. Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk about this. The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific birthplace. There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few. Good luck, Joe Fibel, New Rochelle, NY P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this immediately. If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have $163,609.00 any information about this branch
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From: <jonathanridgeway@...> To: "Belarus SIG" <belarus@...> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [belarus] more about Max WOLK Support the work of the Belarus SIG
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Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson
#dna
Chaim freedman
Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families. I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby from King David.However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the various families descended >from Rashi's family circle. One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker" for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters. I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as described on the site. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@... Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty
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DNA Research #DNA Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson
#dna
Chaim freedman
Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families. I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby from King David.However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the various families descended >from Rashi's family circle. One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker" for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters. I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as described on the site. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@... Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty
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