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Re: ABELES in Chiesch, Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan Lubow NJ has followed up the ABELES >from Chiesch, Bohemia saga
and writes: "there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch.
I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES
who married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the
1820's. Their only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He
had a son Max, b. Nov 21, 1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER
and they had 7 children. The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger
brothers, some of them born in Munich."

I have been searching for any clues about a pair of missing ABELES
from Moravia, Richard and Fritz, but instead found a mention on Yad
Vashem of the above Max and Dorothea and the tragic fate of their son
Friedrich and his two sons [grandsons of Max and Dorothea] .

Father: Max; Mother: Dora of Chiesch Son: Friederich born 1 April 1892 -
in Chiesch and murdered in Riga in Nov. 1941 together with his sons
Oskar/David born 23 Feb 1922 in Munich and Walter, born 1 Jan 1927.

Friederich's wife was Rosa nee KATZ, but she had already died.

Testimony was given twice in 1971 in Florida by a cousin: Rita DOYCH
[DEUTSCH], nee GALLINGER - [address & zip code deleted - Moderator]
Miami Beach, Florida.

Rita had a terrible task as other ABELES victims were:

Max ABELES father Israel dob 21 Sept 1865 [wrongly transcribed as as
1885. Died in Thereseinstadt Dora ABELES nee ASCHENBRENNER [father
Moses] - dob 7 Jan 1868 Died in Auschwitz.

[Rita says she is the cousin of Max and Dora and their children].

Ernst ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 21 June 1895
Hilde ABELES wife of Ernst - dob 25 Nov 1895 - mother
Bertha HEYMANN and Leopold HEYMANN of Wertheim, Germany.
Liselotte ABELES - daughter of Ernst and Hilde dob 7 Feb 1924
Ernst, Hilde and Liselotte died in Riga in 1941.

Eugen ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 2 Sept 1897 - died in Riga in 1941.

Many family members lived in Munich 1939-1941. Rita also gave testimony
for her sister Selma SUNDHEIMER and brother-in-law and niece Therese;
her uncle Heinrich LINDO [mistranscribed as LINDE] and her aunt Paula
[nee LINDO] ADLER. I have just sent in a correction for LINDE/LINDO and
urge others to do the same when they see obvious mistakes.

We remember all these tragic victims today and also Rita who gave testimony
for them. It must have been a harrowing task for her.

So, tragically, we can build a family tree for our little family >from
Chiesch - but not in the way that one would wish, as most were wiped
out in the holocaust. Exactly, how Rita was related to the ABELES, I
have yet to work out. Hopefully there are descendants of Rita that can
be traced.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES in Chiesch, Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan Lubow NJ has followed up the ABELES >from Chiesch, Bohemia saga
and writes: "there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch.
I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES
who married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the
1820's. Their only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He
had a son Max, b. Nov 21, 1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER
and they had 7 children. The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger
brothers, some of them born in Munich."

I have been searching for any clues about a pair of missing ABELES
from Moravia, Richard and Fritz, but instead found a mention on Yad
Vashem of the above Max and Dorothea and the tragic fate of their son
Friedrich and his two sons [grandsons of Max and Dorothea] .

Father: Max; Mother: Dora of Chiesch Son: Friederich born 1 April 1892 -
in Chiesch and murdered in Riga in Nov. 1941 together with his sons
Oskar/David born 23 Feb 1922 in Munich and Walter, born 1 Jan 1927.

Friederich's wife was Rosa nee KATZ, but she had already died.

Testimony was given twice in 1971 in Florida by a cousin: Rita DOYCH
[DEUTSCH], nee GALLINGER - [address & zip code deleted - Moderator]
Miami Beach, Florida.

Rita had a terrible task as other ABELES victims were:

Max ABELES father Israel dob 21 Sept 1865 [wrongly transcribed as as
1885. Died in Thereseinstadt Dora ABELES nee ASCHENBRENNER [father
Moses] - dob 7 Jan 1868 Died in Auschwitz.

[Rita says she is the cousin of Max and Dora and their children].

Ernst ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 21 June 1895
Hilde ABELES wife of Ernst - dob 25 Nov 1895 - mother
Bertha HEYMANN and Leopold HEYMANN of Wertheim, Germany.
Liselotte ABELES - daughter of Ernst and Hilde dob 7 Feb 1924
Ernst, Hilde and Liselotte died in Riga in 1941.

Eugen ABELES son of Max and Dora - dob 2 Sept 1897 - died in Riga in 1941.

Many family members lived in Munich 1939-1941. Rita also gave testimony
for her sister Selma SUNDHEIMER and brother-in-law and niece Therese;
her uncle Heinrich LINDO [mistranscribed as LINDE] and her aunt Paula
[nee LINDO] ADLER. I have just sent in a correction for LINDE/LINDO and
urge others to do the same when they see obvious mistakes.

We remember all these tragic victims today and also Rita who gave testimony
for them. It must have been a harrowing task for her.

So, tragically, we can build a family tree for our little family >from
Chiesch - but not in the way that one would wish, as most were wiped
out in the holocaust. Exactly, how Rita was related to the ABELES, I
have yet to work out. Hopefully there are descendants of Rita that can
be traced.

Celia Male [U.K.]


LAWGALLY #germany

Suzie Phillips <suzie@...>
 

I am researching Edward Alexander Martin LAWGALLY (Born 1856 in Schelnez
Prussia) with not much success. I am trying to
1. establish that he was Jewish and
2 find any of his ancestors.

I have searched many data bases and not found an exact match. He
married Christiana Yohanna ENDRES (born in 1866 Sth Ca Suis, Germany) in
Australia. Her family were >from Germany. (Christian Phillip ENDRES Born
1840 and Fredrica ARNOLD/ARMBOULT Born 1848). They had a son Edward
Martin LAWGALL and a grandson Edward Martin LAWGALL, and a great
grandson Peter Martin LAWGALL. He (the first Edward) disappeared >from
Australia around 1887-91. His surname differs on different certificates
LAWGALL AND LAWGALLY.

We located another Edward Martin LAWGALL in Australia (born 1844 in
Mammel, Prussia) He married in Australia and had one child there but
unable to find any trace of him after the birth of daughter Florence in
1886. This second Edward Martin LAWGALL married a woman Matilda Ellen
SAMUELS Australia in 1879. I found a Wilmer SAMUELS/LAUGALE born in the
US in 1897. I am wondering if the 2 men called Edward LAWGALLY left
Australia together and went to the United States via Germany.

I have located many with Similar names LAUGALE, LAUGELI, LAWGALI, LOGEL,
LAUGELLI, LAWGALI and many of them with the name Edward in US85 on
Ellis island and US census data bases. Many seem to have grandfather,
father and first born son called Edward. Some with Alexander and Martin
as second names....Some of them state they are Hebrew, some not. Many
of the ones who didn't state they were Hebrew travelled with Jews and
have been located on census's living closely to Jews. I found a
family in the United States with the name LAWGALI...all the first names
are Jewish, one being a Latvian name day. So far unable to make
contact.

Some of them also have sisters, wives, daughters called Frieda or
similar. He had a sister Fredricka or Freida.

The fact there are so many with the name Edward Lawgally suggests
something significant, but I don't know what.

Does anyone have any info on any of these persons or have some
suggestions as to where I might go >from here? I am very new to this.

Suzie Lawgall Brisbane Australia suzie@...


German SIG #Germany LAWGALLY #germany

Suzie Phillips <suzie@...>
 

I am researching Edward Alexander Martin LAWGALLY (Born 1856 in Schelnez
Prussia) with not much success. I am trying to
1. establish that he was Jewish and
2 find any of his ancestors.

I have searched many data bases and not found an exact match. He
married Christiana Yohanna ENDRES (born in 1866 Sth Ca Suis, Germany) in
Australia. Her family were >from Germany. (Christian Phillip ENDRES Born
1840 and Fredrica ARNOLD/ARMBOULT Born 1848). They had a son Edward
Martin LAWGALL and a grandson Edward Martin LAWGALL, and a great
grandson Peter Martin LAWGALL. He (the first Edward) disappeared >from
Australia around 1887-91. His surname differs on different certificates
LAWGALL AND LAWGALLY.

We located another Edward Martin LAWGALL in Australia (born 1844 in
Mammel, Prussia) He married in Australia and had one child there but
unable to find any trace of him after the birth of daughter Florence in
1886. This second Edward Martin LAWGALL married a woman Matilda Ellen
SAMUELS Australia in 1879. I found a Wilmer SAMUELS/LAUGALE born in the
US in 1897. I am wondering if the 2 men called Edward LAWGALLY left
Australia together and went to the United States via Germany.

I have located many with Similar names LAUGALE, LAUGELI, LAWGALI, LOGEL,
LAUGELLI, LAWGALI and many of them with the name Edward in US85 on
Ellis island and US census data bases. Many seem to have grandfather,
father and first born son called Edward. Some with Alexander and Martin
as second names....Some of them state they are Hebrew, some not. Many
of the ones who didn't state they were Hebrew travelled with Jews and
have been located on census's living closely to Jews. I found a
family in the United States with the name LAWGALI...all the first names
are Jewish, one being a Latvian name day. So far unable to make
contact.

Some of them also have sisters, wives, daughters called Frieda or
similar. He had a sister Fredricka or Freida.

The fact there are so many with the name Edward Lawgally suggests
something significant, but I don't know what.

Does anyone have any info on any of these persons or have some
suggestions as to where I might go >from here? I am very new to this.

Suzie Lawgall Brisbane Australia suzie@...


The 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

Dear Friends,
I want to share with you all a wonderful experience I had this past week.

I was present at the 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards in Berlin.

I tell you this not only because I had a fabulous time but because I would
like to recommend the experience to all of you.

The Obermayer Award, in short, provides annual awards to five non-Jewish
Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to preserving Jewish
history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in their own local communities.
The awards are co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament and given in its
elegant plenary chamber. (You can read more about the Award at:

http://www.obermayer.us/award/index.htm

This years recipients were:

Johann Flesichmann (>from Bavaria)
Guenter Heidt (>from Rheinland-Pfalz)
Rolf Hofmann (>from Baden-Wuerttemberg)
Kurt-Willi Julius and Karl-Heinz Stadtler (>from Hesse)
Robert Kreibig (>from Berlin)

Over the years I've had the honor and the pleasure of meeting many German
nationals who have devoted much of their free time, their resources and
their enthusiasm to preserving the German Jewish past. Many have been very
helpful to me in finding information and links to help my genealogical
research. Others have preserved community histories which have helped me to
understand how my ancestors lived.

I chose to initiate the nomination of one of these wonderful people, Mr.
Rolf Hoffmann, and to support the nomination of another, Mr. Johann Fleischmann.
I was lucky that both won. Actually, it wasn't luck… they deserved it.

What the nomination involves is writing a letter describing the work and
its significance of the person you are nominating. Full instructions are
available on the website. The competition is strong but it is worth the
effort. The people honored are deserving of the recognition and beyond simply
recognizing the work they've done, the award makes some important statements.

Co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament, the award provides the foundation for an
official statement thanking these people for their devotion, their time and their
efforts, for standing up among other German non-Jews (and sometimes taking a risk
by doing that), for not forgetting and for not ignoring the past.

Second, we are recognizing that Germany has many, many people who truly care
about the Jewish people and preserving the part that Jews played in German
history. It's a new generation. And I think that it is a phenomenon that
is not as evident in other parts of Europe.

I hope that this coming August you will take the time to honor those Germans
who have helped you or have had an impact on the communities of your
ancestors and send in a nomination.

I also highly recommend attending the Award ceremony. It was a fabulous,
well-organized, enjoyable and interesting two days among fascinating people
in a beautiful city. What more can I say!

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@...>


German SIG #Germany The 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

Dear Friends,
I want to share with you all a wonderful experience I had this past week.

I was present at the 2006 Obermayer German Jewish History Awards in Berlin.

I tell you this not only because I had a fabulous time but because I would
like to recommend the experience to all of you.

The Obermayer Award, in short, provides annual awards to five non-Jewish
Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to preserving Jewish
history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in their own local communities.
The awards are co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament and given in its
elegant plenary chamber. (You can read more about the Award at:

http://www.obermayer.us/award/index.htm

This years recipients were:

Johann Flesichmann (>from Bavaria)
Guenter Heidt (>from Rheinland-Pfalz)
Rolf Hofmann (>from Baden-Wuerttemberg)
Kurt-Willi Julius and Karl-Heinz Stadtler (>from Hesse)
Robert Kreibig (>from Berlin)

Over the years I've had the honor and the pleasure of meeting many German
nationals who have devoted much of their free time, their resources and
their enthusiasm to preserving the German Jewish past. Many have been very
helpful to me in finding information and links to help my genealogical
research. Others have preserved community histories which have helped me to
understand how my ancestors lived.

I chose to initiate the nomination of one of these wonderful people, Mr.
Rolf Hoffmann, and to support the nomination of another, Mr. Johann Fleischmann.
I was lucky that both won. Actually, it wasn't luck… they deserved it.

What the nomination involves is writing a letter describing the work and
its significance of the person you are nominating. Full instructions are
available on the website. The competition is strong but it is worth the
effort. The people honored are deserving of the recognition and beyond simply
recognizing the work they've done, the award makes some important statements.

Co-sponsored by the Berlin Parliament, the award provides the foundation for an
official statement thanking these people for their devotion, their time and their
efforts, for standing up among other German non-Jews (and sometimes taking a risk
by doing that), for not forgetting and for not ignoring the past.

Second, we are recognizing that Germany has many, many people who truly care
about the Jewish people and preserving the part that Jews played in German
history. It's a new generation. And I think that it is a phenomenon that
is not as evident in other parts of Europe.

I hope that this coming August you will take the time to honor those Germans
who have helped you or have had an impact on the communities of your
ancestors and send in a nomination.

I also highly recommend attending the Award ceremony. It was a fabulous,
well-organized, enjoyable and interesting two days among fascinating people
in a beautiful city. What more can I say!

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@...>


Re: Given Name Meta #germany

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Steve Orlen wrote: "I'm new to German given names. Could anyone tell me about
the women's given name "Meta.""

The given name Meta is a German secular name which was used as such by
German Jews, as well as in association with other given names.

One such other use was as a German nickname for a series of Yiddish names,
Meyta, Meytil, Meytl, Mayta, Matil, .... when these Yiddish names were
themselves transliterated to the German language. It was also used as a
nickname for the German secular name Margret, itself a nickname for the
German secular name Margareta.

These names can be seen on the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

by searching for the name "Meta" (without the quotation marks), using
Global Text Search.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@...>


German SIG #Germany Re: Given Name Meta #germany

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Steve Orlen wrote: "I'm new to German given names. Could anyone tell me about
the women's given name "Meta.""

The given name Meta is a German secular name which was used as such by
German Jews, as well as in association with other given names.

One such other use was as a German nickname for a series of Yiddish names,
Meyta, Meytil, Meytl, Mayta, Matil, .... when these Yiddish names were
themselves transliterated to the German language. It was also used as a
nickname for the German secular name Margret, itself a nickname for the
German secular name Margareta.

These names can be seen on the JewishGen Given Names Data Bases web site at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

by searching for the name "Meta" (without the quotation marks), using
Global Text Search.

Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel <jerry@...>


Re: New York ship arrivals 1935-1938 are online #germany

Elizabeth Landaw <landaw@...>
 

Indeed this is an incredible resource. [Thanks to Rene for the SITE CITE.]
I found loads of information I was searching for for a long time.
Only one page of the manifest is scanned for each record, and I have noticed
that there are some glitches in the form of missing manifests.
However each record has a "summary" which often lists a friend's name
(undoubtedly >from the second page of the manifest) which I presume is the name
of the person who sponsored the immigrant.

I would be happy to assist anyone in using this resource.

Elizabeth Isenberg Landaw Los Angeles, CA landaw@...


German SIG #Germany RE: New York ship arrivals 1935-1938 are online #germany

Elizabeth Landaw <landaw@...>
 

Indeed this is an incredible resource. [Thanks to Rene for the SITE CITE.]
I found loads of information I was searching for for a long time.
Only one page of the manifest is scanned for each record, and I have noticed
that there are some glitches in the form of missing manifests.
However each record has a "summary" which often lists a friend's name
(undoubtedly >from the second page of the manifest) which I presume is the name
of the person who sponsored the immigrant.

I would be happy to assist anyone in using this resource.

Elizabeth Isenberg Landaw Los Angeles, CA landaw@...


HOLIJOLI@...
 

Re: Randy Schoenberg's ZEIMER family:

In my ancestry, there is a Schadel Leah ZEIMER who was born about 1800,
presumably in Prague, and who was reared in the Lammel Orphan Asylum in Prague.
Does anyone know anything about her family? She married Nathan KUSSY whose
family moved >from Prasne Ujezd to Krashowitz (Krasovice) Later, in the
1840's they settled in Scheles, which is now Zihle. Is there a relationship here?

Susan L. Lubow
Morristown, NJ


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Zeimer #austria-czech

HOLIJOLI@...
 

Re: Randy Schoenberg's ZEIMER family:

In my ancestry, there is a Schadel Leah ZEIMER who was born about 1800,
presumably in Prague, and who was reared in the Lammel Orphan Asylum in Prague.
Does anyone know anything about her family? She married Nathan KUSSY whose
family moved >from Prasne Ujezd to Krashowitz (Krasovice) Later, in the
1840's they settled in Scheles, which is now Zihle. Is there a relationship here?

Susan L. Lubow
Morristown, NJ


Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@...> wrote:

DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or in
the direct female line. It won't work with even one female in the
male line. Rashi was a male Rashi had three daughters who married
illustrious scholars; he had no sons. There is no way DNA could be
used to determine or support descent >from Rashi."
Naturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male
lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male
descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as
Jaffe and Heilprin.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: JAFFE Family - Rashi Descent #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2006.02.01, Michael Bernet <MBernet@...> wrote:

DNA is useful in checking out descent in the direct male line, or in
the direct female line. It won't work with even one female in the
male line. Rashi was a male Rashi had three daughters who married
illustrious scholars; he had no sons. There is no way DNA could be
used to determine or support descent >from Rashi."
Naturally I am aware of the limitations of DNA testing via male
lines. I am suggesting testing of those families which claim male
descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson Elkhanan such as
Jaffe and Heilprin.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel


Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery #unitedkingdom

David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
 

The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
(situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233
headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at
www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm
The site also includes a plan of the cemetery.

David Shulman


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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery #unitedkingdom

David Shulman <shulman_gen@...>
 

The English wording >from inscriptions at the
Stoke-on-Trent and North Staffordshire Hebrew Cemetery
(situated in Newcastle-under-Lyme), including 233
headstones, may now be viewed on the JCR-UK website at
www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/stoke/cemeteryintro.htm
The site also includes a plan of the cemetery.

David Shulman


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Re: more about Max WOLK #belarus

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Jonathon,

Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your
search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some
name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a
trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories
for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that
you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears.
There is a lot of data in City Directories.

Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City
Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is
still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I
would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk
about this.

The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date
Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC
Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit
the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in
a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific
birthplace.

There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few.

Good luck,

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY
P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this
immediately.
























If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have
$163,609.00
any information about this branch

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I recently wrote about my grandpa, Max WOLK, born about 15 March 1888,
in Minsk or Minsk Gubernia. He came to America around 1910 to 1913,
married Frieda SCHARF of Suchostaw, Galicia 28 March 1914, in Brooklyn,
NY and was active in Workmen's Circle, Minsker Branch 507 in Brooklyn
>from 1913 to 1970. I believe he had a sister who also came to America
and that their parents were Jacob WOLK and Feige KATZ who never left
Europe.

According to family history, Max defected >from the Czar's army along
with 2 other comrades and one of them was killed during their escape
attempt. Max's father, Jacob WOLK (or any such name variation), was
said to be an orthodox rabbi, possibly Hasidic and possibly simply a
student or scholar. I have found no record about Max WOLK in the Ellis
Island records and no record of Jacob WOLK or Feige KATZ anywhere.

I will be most grateful if anyone who knows anything about any of these
people will please contact me privately at jonathanridgeway@.... I
would be particularly interested about any Workmen's Circle contacts or
Belarus background. Thank you.

Yours in peace, Jonathan RIDGEWAY of Clintondale, NY (in the Hudson
River Valley)

Searching
HELLER, SCHARF and SCHNEIER of Suchostaw and Jazlowiec, Galicia
and WOLK and KATZ of Minsk or Minsk Gubernia

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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: more about Max WOLK #belarus

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Jonathon,

Every so often we have to repeat the basics and the same applies to your
search. I would wager that Max Wolk does appear on the EIDB but under some
name variation so you have to go back and look at that. Then I would make a
trip to NYC and go to the NY Public Library and look in the City Directories
for Brooklyn starting in 1910 for Max. Also look for Frieda.I assume that
you will find him. Start with 1910 and continue until he no longer appears.
There is a lot of data in City Directories.

Also look in the 1920 Census using the address you find in the City
Directories and using Stephen Morse search engine. The Workmens Circle is
still around so look in the Phonebook and ask about the Brooklyn Branch. I
would guess that you have found Max's Death Certificate but you don't talk
about this.

The Social Security Death Index should have information about his death date
Using his death dat you can get his death certificate >from the NYC
Municipal Archives. This will also tell you where he is buried. Go visit
the cemetery (He may be buried in a Workmens Circle Plot) but maybe he is in
a landsmanshaft plot that will give you a clue about his specific
birthplace.

There are so many ways for you to go I have just mentioned a few.

Good luck,

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY
P.S. I assume you have posted your names onto the JGFF. If not do this
immediately.
























If you get no help >from the Workmen's Circle call YIVO and see if they have
$163,609.00
any information about this branch

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I recently wrote about my grandpa, Max WOLK, born about 15 March 1888,
in Minsk or Minsk Gubernia. He came to America around 1910 to 1913,
married Frieda SCHARF of Suchostaw, Galicia 28 March 1914, in Brooklyn,
NY and was active in Workmen's Circle, Minsker Branch 507 in Brooklyn
>from 1913 to 1970. I believe he had a sister who also came to America
and that their parents were Jacob WOLK and Feige KATZ who never left
Europe.

According to family history, Max defected >from the Czar's army along
with 2 other comrades and one of them was killed during their escape
attempt. Max's father, Jacob WOLK (or any such name variation), was
said to be an orthodox rabbi, possibly Hasidic and possibly simply a
student or scholar. I have found no record about Max WOLK in the Ellis
Island records and no record of Jacob WOLK or Feige KATZ anywhere.

I will be most grateful if anyone who knows anything about any of these
people will please contact me privately at jonathanridgeway@.... I
would be particularly interested about any Workmen's Circle contacts or
Belarus background. Thank you.

Yours in peace, Jonathan RIDGEWAY of Clintondale, NY (in the Hudson
River Valley)

Searching
HELLER, SCHARF and SCHNEIER of Suchostaw and Jazlowiec, Galicia
and WOLK and KATZ of Minsk or Minsk Gubernia

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Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson #dna

Chaim freedman
 

Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families.

I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some
of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby
from King David.
However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would
need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the
various families descended >from Rashi's family circle.

One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the
DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families
claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson
Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker"
for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters.

I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic
Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other
families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as
described on the site.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty


DNA Research #DNA Male Descent from Elkhanan, Rashi's Grandson #dna

Chaim freedman
 

Jim Bennet suggested DNA testing to determine relationships of
various JAFFE families.

I would like to highly recommend this project particularly as some
of the JAFFEs hold a tradition of descent >from Rashi and thereby
from King David.
However, since Rashi had three daughters and no sons, testing would
need to be carried out of families claiming male descent >from the
various families descended >from Rashi's family circle.

One possibility of acquiring further evidence would be to extend the
DNA sampling to include the HEILPRIN family and any other families
claiming male descent >from Rashi's daughter's great-grandson
Elkhanan and thereby perhaps to establish a "Rashi Davidic Marker"
for the male lines descended >from Rashi's daughters.

I would like to direct the attention of readers to the Davidic
Dynasty Site http://www.davidicdynasty.org/ and suggest that other
families claiming Davidic descent participate in the DNA testing as
described on the site.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
Honorary Chairman, Genealogy Advisory Committee, Davidic Dynasty