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LIEBOWSKY from Chile to Chicago #general

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

One of our BERGMAN(N) cousins >from Gross Kakschen in East Prussia married a
man by the name of LIEBOWSKY and had a son Mohr and a daughter Betty.

from what I have learned Mohr and his sister lived in Chile for a time and
then relocated to Chicago, IL. Mohr was a cartographer. He died in Chicago
and is buried in the Rosehill Cemetery near another cousin. Nothing more is
known about Betty or any family she may have had.

I've consulted every on-line resource and database that I can think of.
There is no citation to Mohr to be found in the obituary collections of the
Chicago newspaper. I believe I have tried every spelling possibility. I've
written to the cemetery, but have had no response.

Maybe these names are familiar to someone.

All the best for a good week,

Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY
mailto:millerm@mailbox.syr.edu
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LIEBOWSKY from Chile to Chicago #general

Martin Miller <millerm@...>
 

One of our BERGMAN(N) cousins >from Gross Kakschen in East Prussia married a
man by the name of LIEBOWSKY and had a son Mohr and a daughter Betty.

from what I have learned Mohr and his sister lived in Chile for a time and
then relocated to Chicago, IL. Mohr was a cartographer. He died in Chicago
and is buried in the Rosehill Cemetery near another cousin. Nothing more is
known about Betty or any family she may have had.

I've consulted every on-line resource and database that I can think of.
There is no citation to Mohr to be found in the obituary collections of the
Chicago newspaper. I believe I have tried every spelling possibility. I've
written to the cemetery, but have had no response.

Maybe these names are familiar to someone.

All the best for a good week,

Martin D. Miller
Syracuse, NY
mailto:millerm@mailbox.syr.edu
http://web.syr.edu/~millerm/index.htm


Originally Poland - then Germany #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

Does anyone know how I can find a region which was Poland in
1871/1881 and then Germany in 1891?

My ASTRA/OSTRO/OSTRA/ESTREY/ESTRY family came >from there.

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching:-
KAMINSKY (KAMENSHCHIK) >from Yanova (Jonava)and Zeimiai nr Kovno, Lithuania 2)
Norron Eliazar, Harris, Joseph & Sarah DIAMOND >from Kovno Gubernia,
Lithuania 3)  Newman, Emmanuel, Rachel & Esther LEVY and their parents
Chana & Yehuda LEWIN >from KROSNIEWICE in Poland  4)  Isaac & Rebecca COHEN  
from Poland 5) Chaim & Rebecca ESTRY (nee GROSSMAN)  a glazier >from Poland
6)  GOLDBERG (possibly SCHELSINGER OR SCHELINGER or SCHLUZITEL) >from Vabalninkas,
Lithuania 7)  George (Gershon) BERLINSKY F>from Charlottenburg in Berlin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Originally Poland - then Germany #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

Does anyone know how I can find a region which was Poland in
1871/1881 and then Germany in 1891?

My ASTRA/OSTRO/OSTRA/ESTREY/ESTRY family came >from there.

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching:-
KAMINSKY (KAMENSHCHIK) >from Yanova (Jonava)and Zeimiai nr Kovno, Lithuania 2)
Norron Eliazar, Harris, Joseph & Sarah DIAMOND >from Kovno Gubernia,
Lithuania 3)  Newman, Emmanuel, Rachel & Esther LEVY and their parents
Chana & Yehuda LEWIN >from KROSNIEWICE in Poland  4)  Isaac & Rebecca COHEN  
from Poland 5) Chaim & Rebecca ESTRY (nee GROSSMAN)  a glazier >from Poland
6)  GOLDBERG (possibly SCHELSINGER OR SCHELINGER or SCHLUZITEL) >from Vabalninkas,
Lithuania 7)  George (Gershon) BERLINSKY F>from Charlottenburg in Berlin


Berkeley Street, Cheetham, Manchester, UK - 1891 #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

Does anyone know exactly where Berkeley Street, Cheetham Hill,
Manchester, UK was in 1891??

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching:-
KAMINSKY (KAMENSHCHIK) >from Yanova (Jonava)and Zeimiai nr Kovno,
Lithuania 2) Norron Eliazar, Harris, Joseph & Sarah DIAMOND
from Kovno Gubernia, Lithuania 3)  Newman, Emmanuel, Rachel &
Esther LEVY and their parents Chana & Yehuda LEWIN >from KROSNIEWICE
in Poland  4)  Isaac & Rebecca COHEN  >from Poland 5) Chaim &
Rebecca ESTRY (nee GROSSMAN)  a glazier >from Poland 6)  
GOLDBERG (possibly SCHELSINGER OR SCHELINGER or SCHLUZITEL) >from
Vabalninkas, Lithuania 7)  George (Gershon) BERLINSKY F>from
Charlottenburg in Berlin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Berkeley Street, Cheetham, Manchester, UK - 1891 #general

Rica Goldberg
 

Dear Genners

Does anyone know exactly where Berkeley Street, Cheetham Hill,
Manchester, UK was in 1891??

Rica B Goldberg
Manchester England

Still researching:-
KAMINSKY (KAMENSHCHIK) >from Yanova (Jonava)and Zeimiai nr Kovno,
Lithuania 2) Norron Eliazar, Harris, Joseph & Sarah DIAMOND
from Kovno Gubernia, Lithuania 3)  Newman, Emmanuel, Rachel &
Esther LEVY and their parents Chana & Yehuda LEWIN >from KROSNIEWICE
in Poland  4)  Isaac & Rebecca COHEN  >from Poland 5) Chaim &
Rebecca ESTRY (nee GROSSMAN)  a glazier >from Poland 6)  
GOLDBERG (possibly SCHELSINGER OR SCHELINGER or SCHLUZITEL) >from
Vabalninkas, Lithuania 7)  George (Gershon) BERLINSKY F>from
Charlottenburg in Berlin


Rabbis' Handwriting #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Images of handwriting of the following rabbis can be found online
at <http://www.compactmemory.de>. These come >from the article
"Hebraeische Autographen von Gelehrten und Schriftstellern in
Facsimile," by Bernhard Wachstein, in Menorah (1927), Nr. 2-6, 8-11,
digitized by this website. To view the handwriting samples (which
are brief), go to www.compactmemory.de, click on "Suche," type
"autographen" in the search box, click "Ok," then you will see at
the right a list of entries beginning "Wachstein..." and ending
"...S. #-#." The numbers after the "S" indicate the range of
pages covered by each entry. These correspond to the page numbers
following the names of the rabbis below. Click on the icon next to
the entry that includes the page that interests you, then finally
click on the page number that interests you at the top. You can
enlarge the image by clicking on the solid blue square in the upper
right corner of the screen.

(Note: Spellings and dates as in the article.)

Rabbi Page #

Abraham David of Buczacz (-1840) 428
Jakob Josua "Pene Jehoschua" (1680?-1756) 689
Josef b. Abraham ibn Ziach (fl. 1549) 689
Josef b. Salomo Schneor of Fuerth (-1691)? 558
Josef Josbel b. Hirsch Ha-Levi of Fuerth 558
Secharja Mendel of Jaroslau 494
various Brody and Wien? (17th c.) 690
various >from Lemberg 623
[EISENSTADT?], Meir b. Isaac (-1744) 287
AS[H?], Meir (-1852) 253
BABAD, Josef (-1874) 624
BABAD, Zebi Hirsch 623
BACHARACH, Jair Chajjim (1638-1702) 251
BARBY, Meir (1725-1789) 126
BASSAN, Jesaia b. Israel Chiskijahu (-1739) 691
BENET, Mordechai (1753-1829) 127
BENETH, Jecheskel b. Jakob (-1854) 288
BENJACOB, Isak Eisik (1801-1863) 254
BEN-SEEB, Juda Loeb (1764-1841) 625
BERNSTEIN, Jakob Naftali Hirz (-1873) 691
BODEK, Jakob (>1819-1855) 429
BONFED, Samuel 558
BRODA, Zebi Hirsch (-1821) 624
CHAGGIS, Moses b. Jakob (-1738) 689
CHAJES, Zebi Hirsch (1805-1855) 128
CHORIN, Ahron (1766-1844) 496
COEN, Ismael "Sera Emeth" (1724-1811) 626
DEUTSCHMANN, Chajjim 288
DUBNO, Salomo (1738-1813) 290
EGER, Akiba (1761-1837) 252
EHRENKRANZ, Wolf (1826?-1883) 430
EISENSTADT-KATZENELLENBOGEN, Moses b. Chajjim 557
ERTER, Isak (1791-1851) 189
ETTINGER, Isak Ahron Ha-Levi (-1891) 691
EUCHEL, Isak (1758-1804) 189
FISCHER, Moses (-1833) 493
FISCHHOF, Adolf (1816-1893) 493
FISCHMANN, Nachman Isak Ha-Cohen (-1873) 429
FLECKELES, Eleasar (1754-1826) 287
FRIEDMANN, Meir (1831-) 495
FRIEDMANN, Meir (1839-1908) 289
GHIRONDI, Mordechai Samuel (1799-1852) 290
GOLDENBERG, Samuel Loeb (1807-1846) 429
GORDON, Juda Loeb (1830-1892) 559
GOTTLOBER, Abraham Beer (1811-1899) 559
GUEDEMANN, Moritz (1835-1918) 494
HALBERSTAM, Chajjim (-1876) 428
HALBERSTAM, S. J. (1832-1900) 626
HANNOVER, Rafael Levi (1685-1779) 623
HEIDENHEIM, Wolf (1757-1832) 288
HELLER, Jonteb Lipmann (1578-1654) 251
HELLER, Zebi Hirsch (-1834) 253
HOROWITZ, Isak Simson (1789-1879) 690
HOROWITZ, Jerachmiel (fl. 1867) 691
HOROWITZ, Jesaia Arje Loeb (fl. 1867) 691
HOROWITZ, Pinchas (c. 1731-1805) 126
HORWITZ, Lazar (1804-1868) 494
JOST, Isak Markus (1793-1860) 192
JUETES, Jakob Isak "Ohole Jakob" (fl. 1867) 691
KAUDER, Samuel Loeb (1768-1838) 557
KLUGER, Salomo (1785-1869) 624
KRISTIANPOLLER, Jechiel Michl (c. 1796-1863) 495
KUNITZER, Moses (1774-1837) 290
LANDAU, Moses (1788-1852) 496
LANDAU, Samuel (1750-1834) 127
LEBENSOHN, Abraham Beer (1789-1878) 190
LETTERIS, Meir Ha-Levi (1800?-1871) 190
LEVINSOHN, Isak Beer (1787-1860) 190
LIEBERMANN, Elieser 560
LOLLI, Samuele Vita (1788-1843) 625
LORBEERBAUM, Jakob (-1832) 427
LURJA, David (1798-1855) 254
LUZZATTO, Samuel David (1800-1865) 191
MANNHEIMER, Isak Noa (1793-1865) 493
MARGOSCHES, Arje Samuel (fl. 1867) 691
MARGULIES, Ephraim Salman (1762-1828) 126
MINZ, Moses (1750-1831) 127
MOHR, Abraham Mendel (1815-1868) 559
MULDER, Samuel (1789-1862) 560
NATHANSON, Josef Saul Ha-Levi (-1875) 691
OETTINGEN, Josef b. Elieser 428
OPPENHEIM, Beer (1752?-1850) 496
PERL, Josef (1773-1839) 189
POLLAK, Chajjim Josef (1798-1879) 289
QUETSCH, Salomo (-1856) 252
RANSCHBURG, Bezalel (1760-1820) 623
RAPOPORT, Benjamin Seeb Ha-Cohen (-1837) 252
RAPOPORT, Salomo Loeb (1790-1867) 191
REGGIO, Samuel Isac (1784-1855) 191
REIFMANN, Jakob (1818-1894) 192
SACHS, Jechiel Michl (1808-1864) 625
SACHS, Senior (1815-1892) 626
SAPHIR, Moritz Gottlieb (1795-1858) 626
SCHAPIRA, Zebi Elimelech (-1840) 428
SCHORR, Osias H. (1814-1862) 624
SCHORR, Osias H. (1814-1895) 560
SCHWAB, Loew (1794-1857) 192
SLONIMSKI, Chajim Selig (1810-1904) 560
SOFER, Moses (1762-1839) 128
STRASCHUN, Matithjahu (1817-1885) 254
THEOMIM-FRAENKEL, Baruch (-1828) 427
TREBITSCH, Nachum (1779-1842) 128
ULLMANN, Abraham (1791-1849) 253
VITALI, Benjamin b. Elieser Coen (1650-1730) 557
ZIPSER, Meir (1815-1869) 289

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbis' Handwriting #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Images of handwriting of the following rabbis can be found online
at <http://www.compactmemory.de>. These come >from the article
"Hebraeische Autographen von Gelehrten und Schriftstellern in
Facsimile," by Bernhard Wachstein, in Menorah (1927), Nr. 2-6, 8-11,
digitized by this website. To view the handwriting samples (which
are brief), go to www.compactmemory.de, click on "Suche," type
"autographen" in the search box, click "Ok," then you will see at
the right a list of entries beginning "Wachstein..." and ending
"...S. #-#." The numbers after the "S" indicate the range of
pages covered by each entry. These correspond to the page numbers
following the names of the rabbis below. Click on the icon next to
the entry that includes the page that interests you, then finally
click on the page number that interests you at the top. You can
enlarge the image by clicking on the solid blue square in the upper
right corner of the screen.

(Note: Spellings and dates as in the article.)

Rabbi Page #

Abraham David of Buczacz (-1840) 428
Jakob Josua "Pene Jehoschua" (1680?-1756) 689
Josef b. Abraham ibn Ziach (fl. 1549) 689
Josef b. Salomo Schneor of Fuerth (-1691)? 558
Josef Josbel b. Hirsch Ha-Levi of Fuerth 558
Secharja Mendel of Jaroslau 494
various Brody and Wien? (17th c.) 690
various >from Lemberg 623
[EISENSTADT?], Meir b. Isaac (-1744) 287
AS[H?], Meir (-1852) 253
BABAD, Josef (-1874) 624
BABAD, Zebi Hirsch 623
BACHARACH, Jair Chajjim (1638-1702) 251
BARBY, Meir (1725-1789) 126
BASSAN, Jesaia b. Israel Chiskijahu (-1739) 691
BENET, Mordechai (1753-1829) 127
BENETH, Jecheskel b. Jakob (-1854) 288
BENJACOB, Isak Eisik (1801-1863) 254
BEN-SEEB, Juda Loeb (1764-1841) 625
BERNSTEIN, Jakob Naftali Hirz (-1873) 691
BODEK, Jakob (>1819-1855) 429
BONFED, Samuel 558
BRODA, Zebi Hirsch (-1821) 624
CHAGGIS, Moses b. Jakob (-1738) 689
CHAJES, Zebi Hirsch (1805-1855) 128
CHORIN, Ahron (1766-1844) 496
COEN, Ismael "Sera Emeth" (1724-1811) 626
DEUTSCHMANN, Chajjim 288
DUBNO, Salomo (1738-1813) 290
EGER, Akiba (1761-1837) 252
EHRENKRANZ, Wolf (1826?-1883) 430
EISENSTADT-KATZENELLENBOGEN, Moses b. Chajjim 557
ERTER, Isak (1791-1851) 189
ETTINGER, Isak Ahron Ha-Levi (-1891) 691
EUCHEL, Isak (1758-1804) 189
FISCHER, Moses (-1833) 493
FISCHHOF, Adolf (1816-1893) 493
FISCHMANN, Nachman Isak Ha-Cohen (-1873) 429
FLECKELES, Eleasar (1754-1826) 287
FRIEDMANN, Meir (1831-) 495
FRIEDMANN, Meir (1839-1908) 289
GHIRONDI, Mordechai Samuel (1799-1852) 290
GOLDENBERG, Samuel Loeb (1807-1846) 429
GORDON, Juda Loeb (1830-1892) 559
GOTTLOBER, Abraham Beer (1811-1899) 559
GUEDEMANN, Moritz (1835-1918) 494
HALBERSTAM, Chajjim (-1876) 428
HALBERSTAM, S. J. (1832-1900) 626
HANNOVER, Rafael Levi (1685-1779) 623
HEIDENHEIM, Wolf (1757-1832) 288
HELLER, Jonteb Lipmann (1578-1654) 251
HELLER, Zebi Hirsch (-1834) 253
HOROWITZ, Isak Simson (1789-1879) 690
HOROWITZ, Jerachmiel (fl. 1867) 691
HOROWITZ, Jesaia Arje Loeb (fl. 1867) 691
HOROWITZ, Pinchas (c. 1731-1805) 126
HORWITZ, Lazar (1804-1868) 494
JOST, Isak Markus (1793-1860) 192
JUETES, Jakob Isak "Ohole Jakob" (fl. 1867) 691
KAUDER, Samuel Loeb (1768-1838) 557
KLUGER, Salomo (1785-1869) 624
KRISTIANPOLLER, Jechiel Michl (c. 1796-1863) 495
KUNITZER, Moses (1774-1837) 290
LANDAU, Moses (1788-1852) 496
LANDAU, Samuel (1750-1834) 127
LEBENSOHN, Abraham Beer (1789-1878) 190
LETTERIS, Meir Ha-Levi (1800?-1871) 190
LEVINSOHN, Isak Beer (1787-1860) 190
LIEBERMANN, Elieser 560
LOLLI, Samuele Vita (1788-1843) 625
LORBEERBAUM, Jakob (-1832) 427
LURJA, David (1798-1855) 254
LUZZATTO, Samuel David (1800-1865) 191
MANNHEIMER, Isak Noa (1793-1865) 493
MARGOSCHES, Arje Samuel (fl. 1867) 691
MARGULIES, Ephraim Salman (1762-1828) 126
MINZ, Moses (1750-1831) 127
MOHR, Abraham Mendel (1815-1868) 559
MULDER, Samuel (1789-1862) 560
NATHANSON, Josef Saul Ha-Levi (-1875) 691
OETTINGEN, Josef b. Elieser 428
OPPENHEIM, Beer (1752?-1850) 496
PERL, Josef (1773-1839) 189
POLLAK, Chajjim Josef (1798-1879) 289
QUETSCH, Salomo (-1856) 252
RANSCHBURG, Bezalel (1760-1820) 623
RAPOPORT, Benjamin Seeb Ha-Cohen (-1837) 252
RAPOPORT, Salomo Loeb (1790-1867) 191
REGGIO, Samuel Isac (1784-1855) 191
REIFMANN, Jakob (1818-1894) 192
SACHS, Jechiel Michl (1808-1864) 625
SACHS, Senior (1815-1892) 626
SAPHIR, Moritz Gottlieb (1795-1858) 626
SCHAPIRA, Zebi Elimelech (-1840) 428
SCHORR, Osias H. (1814-1862) 624
SCHORR, Osias H. (1814-1895) 560
SCHWAB, Loew (1794-1857) 192
SLONIMSKI, Chajim Selig (1810-1904) 560
SOFER, Moses (1762-1839) 128
STRASCHUN, Matithjahu (1817-1885) 254
THEOMIM-FRAENKEL, Baruch (-1828) 427
TREBITSCH, Nachum (1779-1842) 128
ULLMANN, Abraham (1791-1849) 253
VITALI, Benjamin b. Elieser Coen (1650-1730) 557
ZIPSER, Meir (1815-1869) 289

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Austrian Jews in Theresienstadt #general

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

The Institute Theresienstadt Initiative and the Austrian Documentary
Resistance Archive have recently issued a new a new book entitled:
Theresienstaedter Gedenkbuch - Oesterreichische Juedinnen und Juden in
Theresienstadt 1942 - 1945. (Memorial Book Theresienstadt - Austrian
Jewesses and Jews in Theresienstadt). Apart form various articles the
book contains three parts.
1. A list of all Jews deported >from Austria to Theresienstadt.
2. A list of Hungarian Jews deported >from Vienna and vicinity to
Theresienstadt in March and April of 1945. This list does not include
those Hungarians who were transferred to Theresienstadt >from other
camps during the last days of the war.
3. Those Austrian Jews who had emigrated to other European countries
and who were caught by the Germans and sent to Theresienstadt.
There is in existence for a number of years the Totenbuch
Theresienstadt (Deathbook Theresienstadt) which lists Austrian Jews
who perished either in Theresienstadt or who were sent on >from there
to the east. The new book lists all the deportees, including the
survivors.
For further information see:
http://www.terezinstudies.cz/eng/ITI/publ/publ
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Austrian Jews in Theresienstadt #general

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

The Institute Theresienstadt Initiative and the Austrian Documentary
Resistance Archive have recently issued a new a new book entitled:
Theresienstaedter Gedenkbuch - Oesterreichische Juedinnen und Juden in
Theresienstadt 1942 - 1945. (Memorial Book Theresienstadt - Austrian
Jewesses and Jews in Theresienstadt). Apart form various articles the
book contains three parts.
1. A list of all Jews deported >from Austria to Theresienstadt.
2. A list of Hungarian Jews deported >from Vienna and vicinity to
Theresienstadt in March and April of 1945. This list does not include
those Hungarians who were transferred to Theresienstadt >from other
camps during the last days of the war.
3. Those Austrian Jews who had emigrated to other European countries
and who were caught by the Germans and sent to Theresienstadt.
There is in existence for a number of years the Totenbuch
Theresienstadt (Deathbook Theresienstadt) which lists Austrian Jews
who perished either in Theresienstadt or who were sent on >from there
to the east. The new book lists all the deportees, including the
survivors.
For further information see:
http://www.terezinstudies.cz/eng/ITI/publ/publ
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Odins & derivitaves - help as to how to proceed please #general

mhlcswc2@...
 

Below is a printout >from the Lithuanian Revision List. This appears to have
a fairly good chance of being my family. I have been attempting to research
my Grandfather who came to Brooklyn, NY in 1906 as Josif ODINS and noted
that he had a cousin in Cincinnati, Ohio - Hyman ODENHS.

Josif's father was named Abram and he was born about 1870. Hyman's death
certificate states that he was the son of Osher and that he was >from Russia.
My grandparents always stated that they were >from Vilna. Josif had either a
half or a step sister named Jennie BRAVERMAN MELLMAN, the daughter of Jacob
BRAVERMAN and Rosie GOLDSTEIN.

My question is what my next step should be. Ideally I'd like to find other
vital records such as birth and marriage certificates. Any suggestions would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who puts any time into
considering this.

Marcia Greenberg Hoffman
Baltimore, MD
ODINS, ODENHS, GOODMAN - Vilna Gubernia
GRINBERG, GREENBERG, MALEWITZ, ROSENSWEIG - Lomza Gubernia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Odins & derivitaves - help as to how to proceed please #general

mhlcswc2@...
 

Below is a printout >from the Lithuanian Revision List. This appears to have
a fairly good chance of being my family. I have been attempting to research
my Grandfather who came to Brooklyn, NY in 1906 as Josif ODINS and noted
that he had a cousin in Cincinnati, Ohio - Hyman ODENHS.

Josif's father was named Abram and he was born about 1870. Hyman's death
certificate states that he was the son of Osher and that he was >from Russia.
My grandparents always stated that they were >from Vilna. Josif had either a
half or a step sister named Jennie BRAVERMAN MELLMAN, the daughter of Jacob
BRAVERMAN and Rosie GOLDSTEIN.

My question is what my next step should be. Ideally I'd like to find other
vital records such as birth and marriage certificates. Any suggestions would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who puts any time into
considering this.

Marcia Greenberg Hoffman
Baltimore, MD
ODINS, ODENHS, GOODMAN - Vilna Gubernia
GRINBERG, GREENBERG, MALEWITZ, ROSENSWEIG - Lomza Gubernia


Re: Question about JRI-PL entry #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:07 UTC, SKatz@ebglaw.com (Shlomo Katz)
opined:

In the Tarnobrzeg PSA Births 1889-1901, there is a column headed "Town"
and a column headed "Town2." Can anyone explain these headings? Thanks

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
I found this listing in the Lviv Wojewodztwo, with three entries. I
notice that "Town" is Tarnowska Wola in all three cases (two of which
are siblings), and "Town2" is places (evidently tiny villages) that I
never heard of. My first guess was that Tarnowska Wola was the place
where the registration took place, and Town2 was the village where the
f amilies actually lived. This is doubtful, since the house address
(which seems to be in Tarnowska Wola) is given. So I don't know; the
best way to find out, if you have found a person of interest there,
would be to order a copy of the registration and see what it says
about the two towns.

The answer may, in fact, have something to do with the entry in the
"Married" column. In all three cases, this is "nie slubne", i.e.
"Unmarried"; for the siblings, the father has neither a given name of
a surname, because he is "unknown". Taken literally of course, this is
good for producing thick, green lawns. What it actually means is that
the parents were not married in church (sic), and had not bothered to
inform the Austrian authorities of the Chuppah, i.e. to register the
marriage. This shows something important about the attitude of the
Austrian authorities toward their Jewish subjects. It is important to
us because it renders Galician genealogy virtually impossible.
Fortunately, the Russian authorities in Congress Poland, whatever
their other faults, were not so narrowminded.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about JRI-PL entry #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:07 UTC, SKatz@ebglaw.com (Shlomo Katz)
opined:

In the Tarnobrzeg PSA Births 1889-1901, there is a column headed "Town"
and a column headed "Town2." Can anyone explain these headings? Thanks

Shlomo Katz
Silver Spring MD
I found this listing in the Lviv Wojewodztwo, with three entries. I
notice that "Town" is Tarnowska Wola in all three cases (two of which
are siblings), and "Town2" is places (evidently tiny villages) that I
never heard of. My first guess was that Tarnowska Wola was the place
where the registration took place, and Town2 was the village where the
f amilies actually lived. This is doubtful, since the house address
(which seems to be in Tarnowska Wola) is given. So I don't know; the
best way to find out, if you have found a person of interest there,
would be to order a copy of the registration and see what it says
about the two towns.

The answer may, in fact, have something to do with the entry in the
"Married" column. In all three cases, this is "nie slubne", i.e.
"Unmarried"; for the siblings, the father has neither a given name of
a surname, because he is "unknown". Taken literally of course, this is
good for producing thick, green lawns. What it actually means is that
the parents were not married in church (sic), and had not bothered to
inform the Austrian authorities of the Chuppah, i.e. to register the
marriage. This shows something important about the attitude of the
Austrian authorities toward their Jewish subjects. It is important to
us because it renders Galician genealogy virtually impossible.
Fortunately, the Russian authorities in Congress Poland, whatever
their other faults, were not so narrowminded.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Re: Round trip--Port of New York in 1935 #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:31:07 UTC, jorose@fuse.net (Josephine
Rosenblum) opined:

Greetings.
I was searching immigration records for the Port of New York when I came
across the names of my uncle and cousin, age 7. Both were born in the U.S.
and were listed on a page with other American citizens. However, I cannot
understand what they were doing on this ship.

There is no doubt that they are my relatives, although my uncle said he was
born in "Pittsburg", PA, and it should be Lancaster, PA. He did give his
correct date of birth.

Here is what confuses me. They had to travel >from their home in Swampscott,
Massachusetts to board the "Rotterdam" (Holland-America line) that departed
from New York on 16 Feb 1935 and returned on March 1 of that year.
Evidently this was a pleasure cruise that picked up passengers in the Virgin
Islands.

They left behind my aunt, who was pregnant. She delivered a month-and-a
half after they returned. Can anyone speculate _why_ a man would take his
son on a cruise when his wife was so close to delivery?
This question, as you yourself have hinted, is unanswerable without
his input. Indeed, it can even be asked only after one projects his
own concept of what a marriage is; perhaps his was different.

Could they have left >from Boston harbor (instead of NY) in 1935? Why travel
to New York? Why travel at all when it meant taking the boy out of school?
Maybe he needed to spend quality time with his son, who knows.
Rotterdam was a passenger vessel operating between Southampton and New
York; the cruise, if that's what it was, was a filler voyage for the
slack season. To board a Holland-America Line cruise ship, he would
have had to go to New York; they didn't call at Boston, and probably
still don't. Certainly in 1935, Atlantic cruise ships operated >from
New York -- not >from Fort Lauderdale, and not >from Boston. The
thirties were a different world >from the one we live in today.

Obviously, no one knows what he was thinking, but I welcome any possible
explanation.
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Round trip--Port of New York in 1935 #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:31:07 UTC, jorose@fuse.net (Josephine
Rosenblum) opined:

Greetings.
I was searching immigration records for the Port of New York when I came
across the names of my uncle and cousin, age 7. Both were born in the U.S.
and were listed on a page with other American citizens. However, I cannot
understand what they were doing on this ship.

There is no doubt that they are my relatives, although my uncle said he was
born in "Pittsburg", PA, and it should be Lancaster, PA. He did give his
correct date of birth.

Here is what confuses me. They had to travel >from their home in Swampscott,
Massachusetts to board the "Rotterdam" (Holland-America line) that departed
from New York on 16 Feb 1935 and returned on March 1 of that year.
Evidently this was a pleasure cruise that picked up passengers in the Virgin
Islands.

They left behind my aunt, who was pregnant. She delivered a month-and-a
half after they returned. Can anyone speculate _why_ a man would take his
son on a cruise when his wife was so close to delivery?
This question, as you yourself have hinted, is unanswerable without
his input. Indeed, it can even be asked only after one projects his
own concept of what a marriage is; perhaps his was different.

Could they have left >from Boston harbor (instead of NY) in 1935? Why travel
to New York? Why travel at all when it meant taking the boy out of school?
Maybe he needed to spend quality time with his son, who knows.
Rotterdam was a passenger vessel operating between Southampton and New
York; the cruise, if that's what it was, was a filler voyage for the
slack season. To board a Holland-America Line cruise ship, he would
have had to go to New York; they didn't call at Boston, and probably
still don't. Certainly in 1935, Atlantic cruise ships operated >from
New York -- not >from Fort Lauderdale, and not >from Boston. The
thirties were a different world >from the one we live in today.

Obviously, no one knows what he was thinking, but I welcome any possible
explanation.
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Seeking: Janine COHEN #general

Sy and Cyndie <sypearlman@...>
 

I am searching for Janine COHEN, probably in Paris. She was born in
Egypt, left for France in 1956. She is about 75 and may be married
with new name. Thanks.
Sy Pearlman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: Janine COHEN #general

Sy and Cyndie <sypearlman@...>
 

I am searching for Janine COHEN, probably in Paris. She was born in
Egypt, left for France in 1956. She is about 75 and may be married
with new name. Thanks.
Sy Pearlman


Eliakum ZUNSER and the KADIN(OVSKY) family #belarus

rutabegatree@...
 

Hi all,

With the discovery of a ggg-uncle's marriage record, I have recently
made some new progress in the research of my KADIN family.
Originally KAIDINOVSKY or something sounding similar -- spelling
varies -- the family was >from somewhere in the Minsk gubernia.
My gg-gm Minnie KADIN HURDUS (ca 1867-1956) and her children (including
my g-gm Charlotte (1893-1989)) came to the US in 1899 >from Mir to join
my gg-gf Sam HURDUS (ca 1855-1925) as well as two of Minnie's brothers,
Samuel (ca 1871-1960), Jacob (ca 1878-1962) and her sister, Rae KADIN
PESKOWITZ (ca 1860-aft 1960) in New York City. Another brother, Harris
(b. ca 1868) and their mother, Selma/Sarah WEINER KADIN (ca 1832-1924)
followed later.

I have now learned, >from the record of Jacob KADIN's 1897 New York
City marriage to Esther ROTNER (daughter of Abraham ROTNER and Mollie
BECKENSTEIN) that their father, and my ggg-gf was "Charles" Kadinovsky
who died sometime before 1893, when the first of several grandchildren
named after him was born. Searching the All Belarus DB, I find a
Chaim KAIDINOVSKY listed as a cheder teacher in Borisov in 1879.
Of course, I have no way of knowing at this point if this is the same
person, but as KAIDINOVSKY does not seem to be a hugely popular name,
I assume it *might* be.

Now, even more interesting than the naming of ggg-gf "Charles," is
the fact that this 1897 wedding was officiated by the legendary
badchen Eliakum ZUNSER, who lists as his "official station" Chewra
[??] [??] Anshay RODOSKOWITZ, at 171 E. Broadway. Having read
through the 1950 Sol LIFTZIN bio of ZUNSER at the library this
morning, I didn't find any mention of ZUNSER acting as badchen at
any weddings after his 1889 arrival in New York, let alone acting
as an officiating rabbi. I am also surprised that my family --
who as far as I know were not seemingly "elite" in either the
intellectual or social senses -- had a wedding officiated by
someone as famous in his own time as ZUNSER. I don't know
anything about the congregation listed, nor have I yet been
able to learn anything about the bride's family, but I am
curious about what anyone else thinks about this.

Wertr my family or the ROTNERs members of this congregation? or
could it be possible that ZUNSER was acquainted with the children
of the cheder teacher >from Borisov, the town where his 2nd wife
Faigel was born? or ?

The papers of Eliakum ZUNSER are in the collections of YIVO in New
York, where I've already sent off a query, but I am grateful for any
and all thoughts/suggestions any of you folks might have for this
very interesting wedding.

Thanks,

Rebecca Fenning
Boston, Mass.
rutabegatree@mac.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Eliakum ZUNSER and the KADIN(OVSKY) family #belarus

rutabegatree@...
 

Hi all,

With the discovery of a ggg-uncle's marriage record, I have recently
made some new progress in the research of my KADIN family.
Originally KAIDINOVSKY or something sounding similar -- spelling
varies -- the family was >from somewhere in the Minsk gubernia.
My gg-gm Minnie KADIN HURDUS (ca 1867-1956) and her children (including
my g-gm Charlotte (1893-1989)) came to the US in 1899 >from Mir to join
my gg-gf Sam HURDUS (ca 1855-1925) as well as two of Minnie's brothers,
Samuel (ca 1871-1960), Jacob (ca 1878-1962) and her sister, Rae KADIN
PESKOWITZ (ca 1860-aft 1960) in New York City. Another brother, Harris
(b. ca 1868) and their mother, Selma/Sarah WEINER KADIN (ca 1832-1924)
followed later.

I have now learned, >from the record of Jacob KADIN's 1897 New York
City marriage to Esther ROTNER (daughter of Abraham ROTNER and Mollie
BECKENSTEIN) that their father, and my ggg-gf was "Charles" Kadinovsky
who died sometime before 1893, when the first of several grandchildren
named after him was born. Searching the All Belarus DB, I find a
Chaim KAIDINOVSKY listed as a cheder teacher in Borisov in 1879.
Of course, I have no way of knowing at this point if this is the same
person, but as KAIDINOVSKY does not seem to be a hugely popular name,
I assume it *might* be.

Now, even more interesting than the naming of ggg-gf "Charles," is
the fact that this 1897 wedding was officiated by the legendary
badchen Eliakum ZUNSER, who lists as his "official station" Chewra
[??] [??] Anshay RODOSKOWITZ, at 171 E. Broadway. Having read
through the 1950 Sol LIFTZIN bio of ZUNSER at the library this
morning, I didn't find any mention of ZUNSER acting as badchen at
any weddings after his 1889 arrival in New York, let alone acting
as an officiating rabbi. I am also surprised that my family --
who as far as I know were not seemingly "elite" in either the
intellectual or social senses -- had a wedding officiated by
someone as famous in his own time as ZUNSER. I don't know
anything about the congregation listed, nor have I yet been
able to learn anything about the bride's family, but I am
curious about what anyone else thinks about this.

Wertr my family or the ROTNERs members of this congregation? or
could it be possible that ZUNSER was acquainted with the children
of the cheder teacher >from Borisov, the town where his 2nd wife
Faigel was born? or ?

The papers of Eliakum ZUNSER are in the collections of YIVO in New
York, where I've already sent off a query, but I am grateful for any
and all thoughts/suggestions any of you folks might have for this
very interesting wedding.

Thanks,

Rebecca Fenning
Boston, Mass.
rutabegatree@mac.com