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Re: American Line Records #general

Ted Gostin
 

Jackye Sullins asked whether the American Line records still exist. The
recent book "The American Line 1871-1902" has notes and a bibliography that
indicate that there are minute books for the company through at least 1911
in the Pennsylvania Railroad Collection, Box 89, Urban Archives, Temple
University. It is not clear what information is in these minute books, or
whether later records are also available, but this archive would certainly
be a good starting place.

Ted Gostin
tedgostin@...

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Subject: American Line Records
From: "Jackye Sullins" <jsullins@...>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:26:50 -0700

My elusive relative was deported >from NY to Cherbourg on the SS Philadelphia
in June 1914. He was deemed physically unfit. I've been unable to find a
trace of him since. I contacted the French archives but they don't have
passenger records but said that the shipping lines kept their own.

My question: Does anyone know where the records for the American Line are
kept or even if they survived? I'm really trying to find out what happened
to him after he was returned to Cherbourg.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: American Line Records #general

Ted Gostin
 

Jackye Sullins asked whether the American Line records still exist. The
recent book "The American Line 1871-1902" has notes and a bibliography that
indicate that there are minute books for the company through at least 1911
in the Pennsylvania Railroad Collection, Box 89, Urban Archives, Temple
University. It is not clear what information is in these minute books, or
whether later records are also available, but this archive would certainly
be a good starting place.

Ted Gostin
tedgostin@...

----- Original Message -----

Subject: American Line Records
From: "Jackye Sullins" <jsullins@...>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:26:50 -0700

My elusive relative was deported >from NY to Cherbourg on the SS Philadelphia
in June 1914. He was deemed physically unfit. I've been unable to find a
trace of him since. I contacted the French archives but they don't have
passenger records but said that the shipping lines kept their own.

My question: Does anyone know where the records for the American Line are
kept or even if they survived? I'm really trying to find out what happened
to him after he was returned to Cherbourg.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


US Immigration 19 & 20th Century #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,

Sally Bruckheimer has raised an interesting point
in her posting and one that was discussed at a
recent group get together. I feel that this
relates to our Jewish genealogy searches.

In light of the immigration situation which now
exists in The United States, were our ancestors
illegal immigrants? What did the laws state in
the late 19th and early 20th century when so many
of our ancestors left their homeland for the US?

Sally states, "In 1900, before that, and for some
time after, only a ticket was needed" (see
posting below). Any information or research
leads would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Hope Gordon, msnodrog@...
Intermountain West

Subject: Re: 1900-era documents for immigration to USA
From: "Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@...>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:47:54 -0400

A question about 1900 era immigration said:

"If you were not in good health, or were otherwise thought likely to
become a public charge, you could be refused entry upon arrival."

In 1900, before that, and for some time after, only a ticket was needed. A
woman needed a male family member to get her >from the ship, if the woman
travelled alone.

If the person came in steerage, the quoted statement above applied. If a
person came 2nd class or 1st class, there was no inspection, so anybody
could come to the US if they were in a cabin-deaf, lame, trachoma-infested,
blind, ancient, whatever. There are stories of people in steerage being
sent back to Europe, but the family saved up for a cabin-class ticket to
bring them to the US to rejoin the family.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen US Immigration 19 & 20th Century #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Genners,

Sally Bruckheimer has raised an interesting point
in her posting and one that was discussed at a
recent group get together. I feel that this
relates to our Jewish genealogy searches.

In light of the immigration situation which now
exists in The United States, were our ancestors
illegal immigrants? What did the laws state in
the late 19th and early 20th century when so many
of our ancestors left their homeland for the US?

Sally states, "In 1900, before that, and for some
time after, only a ticket was needed" (see
posting below). Any information or research
leads would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Hope Gordon, msnodrog@...
Intermountain West

Subject: Re: 1900-era documents for immigration to USA
From: "Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybru@...>
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:47:54 -0400

A question about 1900 era immigration said:

"If you were not in good health, or were otherwise thought likely to
become a public charge, you could be refused entry upon arrival."

In 1900, before that, and for some time after, only a ticket was needed. A
woman needed a male family member to get her >from the ship, if the woman
travelled alone.

If the person came in steerage, the quoted statement above applied. If a
person came 2nd class or 1st class, there was no inspection, so anybody
could come to the US if they were in a cabin-deaf, lame, trachoma-infested,
blind, ancient, whatever. There are stories of people in steerage being
sent back to Europe, but the family saved up for a cabin-class ticket to
bring them to the US to rejoin the family.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


Origins of Yiddish Civilisation? #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners

I've been away on holiday for a few weeks, and whilst relaxing on the
beach I read "Yiddish Civilisation: the Rise and Fall of a Forgotten
Nation" by Paul Kriwaczek.
It's a very interesting book and enjoyable too, but the initial thrust
of the book is that much of Eastern European Jewish origins are in
conversions of large numbers of Pagans/Polytheists(sorry if the
terminology is wrong) in south eastern Europe (Crimea, Bulgaria, Greece
region) before the advent of mass conversion to Christianity. He
supports this by referring to rulings and other documented evidence
which refers directely to those converting to Judaism, which he argues
must have been wide spread if rulers felt there was a need for
legislation regarding it. He argues that this conversion went right the
way into the middle ages, when Jews heading East to escape the
inquisition encountered many isolated societies of early converts who
had to be "reminded" of their Jewish tradition.
I've no financial interest in this book, but am curious as to other
people's views on this thoery so I was wondering whether anyone had read
this book or knows anything about this topic and what their thoughts
were?

hope you're all well

Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Origins of Yiddish Civilisation? #general

Ben Forman <ben.forman@...>
 

Hi Genners

I've been away on holiday for a few weeks, and whilst relaxing on the
beach I read "Yiddish Civilisation: the Rise and Fall of a Forgotten
Nation" by Paul Kriwaczek.
It's a very interesting book and enjoyable too, but the initial thrust
of the book is that much of Eastern European Jewish origins are in
conversions of large numbers of Pagans/Polytheists(sorry if the
terminology is wrong) in south eastern Europe (Crimea, Bulgaria, Greece
region) before the advent of mass conversion to Christianity. He
supports this by referring to rulings and other documented evidence
which refers directely to those converting to Judaism, which he argues
must have been wide spread if rulers felt there was a need for
legislation regarding it. He argues that this conversion went right the
way into the middle ages, when Jews heading East to escape the
inquisition encountered many isolated societies of early converts who
had to be "reminded" of their Jewish tradition.
I've no financial interest in this book, but am curious as to other
people's views on this thoery so I was wondering whether anyone had read
this book or knows anything about this topic and what their thoughts
were?

hope you're all well

Ben
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa


Identify New York City Funeral Director - 1937- B & C Co. #general

BRENERDA@...
 

I seek help in identifying an "undertaker" listed on a 12 Jul 1937 City of
New York death certificate. (died 09 July 1937) #16119. It is listed as
"Stephen Merritt B & C (or possibly G) Co." at 234 8th Avenue.

I seek their full name, if they still exist today and current business name,
and if their records still exist.

Just in case some one has the information, the person in question was buried
as John Van Wolkenter. His actual name was John or Jean WOLKENSTEIN which
later became VAN WOLKENTEN. (The name did actually end in "n"). He was born in
Austria or Romania about 1880. Came to US about 1907 with brother Ernest born
about 1889. States he was buried in Ferncliff Cemetery in Westchester Co.,
NY, but they seem to have no record under all possible names.

At the time of his death, he was marred to the former Alice Lee HOARY. They
married in the early 1930's. That union produced a daughter Patricia. His
first wife, >from whom he was divorced, was the former Lily Adler, daughter of
Jacob and Rosa ADLER. >from that union was born Raymond in 1909 who used the
surname VAN WOLKENTEN, twins Walter and Helene who used the surname WOLTON.

If anyone has any information, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

David Brener, Fargo, ND at BRENERDA@....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Identify New York City Funeral Director - 1937- B & C Co. #general

BRENERDA@...
 

I seek help in identifying an "undertaker" listed on a 12 Jul 1937 City of
New York death certificate. (died 09 July 1937) #16119. It is listed as
"Stephen Merritt B & C (or possibly G) Co." at 234 8th Avenue.

I seek their full name, if they still exist today and current business name,
and if their records still exist.

Just in case some one has the information, the person in question was buried
as John Van Wolkenter. His actual name was John or Jean WOLKENSTEIN which
later became VAN WOLKENTEN. (The name did actually end in "n"). He was born in
Austria or Romania about 1880. Came to US about 1907 with brother Ernest born
about 1889. States he was buried in Ferncliff Cemetery in Westchester Co.,
NY, but they seem to have no record under all possible names.

At the time of his death, he was marred to the former Alice Lee HOARY. They
married in the early 1930's. That union produced a daughter Patricia. His
first wife, >from whom he was divorced, was the former Lily Adler, daughter of
Jacob and Rosa ADLER. >from that union was born Raymond in 1909 who used the
surname VAN WOLKENTEN, twins Walter and Helene who used the surname WOLTON.

If anyone has any information, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

David Brener, Fargo, ND at BRENERDA@....


20th Century Serock, Poland #general

Howard Orenstein
 

If your family was >from the town of Serock, 30 km north of Warsaw,
and lived there up to the war, please contact me privately and let
me know your family names. I may have information of genealogical
value to your research, and you may be interested to learn about my
work with Serock records.

--
Howard Orenstein
Westminster,MD
horenstein@...
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 20th Century Serock, Poland #general

Howard Orenstein
 

If your family was >from the town of Serock, 30 km north of Warsaw,
and lived there up to the war, please contact me privately and let
me know your family names. I may have information of genealogical
value to your research, and you may be interested to learn about my
work with Serock records.

--
Howard Orenstein
Westminster,MD
horenstein@...
Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Plonsk, Poland
HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland
BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland; London, England


KRASHINSKY family - Poland #general

Deborah Sims <dsims@...>
 

My mother passed away 2 years ago, I am trying to find out information
about her family. She was born in Wolkowisk Poland, in a Jewish
Ghetto. Her brother Avrumel came to Canada (Montreal , Quebec) first
and she followed. Except for two brothers, one I dont have the name,
the other is Meyer who fought with the resistance, the others of her
immediate family perished - in Auschwitz I believe. Is there any way
to acquire information about her parents sister, other brothers etc.

Thankyou, Deborah


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KRASHINSKY family - Poland #general

Deborah Sims <dsims@...>
 

My mother passed away 2 years ago, I am trying to find out information
about her family. She was born in Wolkowisk Poland, in a Jewish
Ghetto. Her brother Avrumel came to Canada (Montreal , Quebec) first
and she followed. Except for two brothers, one I dont have the name,
the other is Meyer who fought with the resistance, the others of her
immediate family perished - in Auschwitz I believe. Is there any way
to acquire information about her parents sister, other brothers etc.

Thankyou, Deborah


Piecing a life together -- looking for ideas #general

Ian Chard <ian.chard@...>
 

Hi,

I'm trying to piece together the life of my great grandfather Nathan
WOLKIND, who sadly committed suicide in 1921, to get a broader picture
of him and possibly even find out what went wrong for him. I'm posting
here to try and get some ideas for sources of information I might try.

Here's what I know:

- He was born in Odessa in 1884
- He came to the UK and married in 1910, and had a child
- He emigrated to the US with his wife and daughter in 1914,
and they settled in Brooklyn and had another child
- In 1920, the census shows he worked for the Jersey City
Printing Company
- In 1921 he committed suicide at home by inhaling illuminating
gas, and was discovered by his wife. He was buried in Mount
Carmel Cemetary in Queens.
- His widow and children returned to the UK a few months later

Now it may well be that I'll never know why he killed himself, but I'd
like to gather as much information as I can about him. I have censuses,
Ellis Island manifests [1] and his death certificate; does anyone have
any ideas where I can turn next?

Many thanks for any help
- Ian

[1] Unfortunately, the handwriting on the manifest is little more than a
scrawl, and I can't read the name of his contact in the US. If anyone
is willing to help me with that, please get in touch and I'll forward
you the image in question.

--
Ian Chard
Oxford


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Piecing a life together -- looking for ideas #general

Ian Chard <ian.chard@...>
 

Hi,

I'm trying to piece together the life of my great grandfather Nathan
WOLKIND, who sadly committed suicide in 1921, to get a broader picture
of him and possibly even find out what went wrong for him. I'm posting
here to try and get some ideas for sources of information I might try.

Here's what I know:

- He was born in Odessa in 1884
- He came to the UK and married in 1910, and had a child
- He emigrated to the US with his wife and daughter in 1914,
and they settled in Brooklyn and had another child
- In 1920, the census shows he worked for the Jersey City
Printing Company
- In 1921 he committed suicide at home by inhaling illuminating
gas, and was discovered by his wife. He was buried in Mount
Carmel Cemetary in Queens.
- His widow and children returned to the UK a few months later

Now it may well be that I'll never know why he killed himself, but I'd
like to gather as much information as I can about him. I have censuses,
Ellis Island manifests [1] and his death certificate; does anyone have
any ideas where I can turn next?

Many thanks for any help
- Ian

[1] Unfortunately, the handwriting on the manifest is little more than a
scrawl, and I can't read the name of his contact in the US. If anyone
is willing to help me with that, please get in touch and I'll forward
you the image in question.

--
Ian Chard
Oxford


Thank you - ULLMANN Family From Driesen/Drezdenko #general

at.muir@...
 

My original query in relation to Driesen was my first posting on this site.
I just want to say thank you very much to all those who have offered advice and
also possible links to other Ullmanns. I am very new at this, and I am amazed at
the friendliness and helpfulness of the group. You all deserve a pat on the
back - A big thank you to one and all!

Anne Muir


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you - ULLMANN Family From Driesen/Drezdenko #general

at.muir@...
 

My original query in relation to Driesen was my first posting on this site.
I just want to say thank you very much to all those who have offered advice and
also possible links to other Ullmanns. I am very new at this, and I am amazed at
the friendliness and helpfulness of the group. You all deserve a pat on the
back - A big thank you to one and all!

Anne Muir


Baron Hugo WATTMANN #general

Miriam Weiser
 

I would appreciate suggestions >from anyone on this list on how to determine
whether Wattmann Family archives exist and if so where they are located.
Baron Hugo Wattman was the owner of a small (Galician) village I am
researching, Stary Dzikow. This I learned >from the 1929 Polish Business
Directory. A relative of mine--Leibush Just who lived between about 1840
and the early 1900s worked for Wattmann. I've looked through Gayle Riley's
references and did not find Wattmann mentioned. I googled the Wattmann name
and found under titled Polish nobility the hyphenated name,
Wattmann-Maelcamp--Beaulieu. The name is also inked to a famous Austrian
surgeon who lived between 1780 and 1860. All tips are
most welcome.

Miriam Weiser


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Baron Hugo WATTMANN #general

Miriam Weiser
 

I would appreciate suggestions >from anyone on this list on how to determine
whether Wattmann Family archives exist and if so where they are located.
Baron Hugo Wattman was the owner of a small (Galician) village I am
researching, Stary Dzikow. This I learned >from the 1929 Polish Business
Directory. A relative of mine--Leibush Just who lived between about 1840
and the early 1900s worked for Wattmann. I've looked through Gayle Riley's
references and did not find Wattmann mentioned. I googled the Wattmann name
and found under titled Polish nobility the hyphenated name,
Wattmann-Maelcamp--Beaulieu. The name is also inked to a famous Austrian
surgeon who lived between 1780 and 1860. All tips are
most welcome.

Miriam Weiser


REPOST: Records from Szczebrzeszyn: BROFENBRENER #poland

Tamar Amit <tamar.amit@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I still have no translations for any of the records at all...

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records. They are posted on ViewMate with the following details:

Death registration >from 1843 Szczebrzeszyn of BREFENBRENER Dobra-VM8104
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8104


Birth registration >from 1843 Szczebrzeszyn of BROFENBRENER Herszko-VM8105
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8105


Birth registration >from 1840 Szczebrzeszyn of BROFENBRENER Moszko-VM8106
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8106


Birth registration >from 1863 Szczebrzeszyn BROFENBRENER Wolf-VM8107
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8107

I would like to know the details in the record especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain
additional details.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@... . Thank you.


Tamar Amit,
Givatayim Israel.

Researching:
BECKER - Tuchola and Gdansk, Prussia;
BRONFENBRENER, GEWIRCMAN, ROJBOIM, RESENBERG, WAGNER - Lublin area, Poland
APT, GOTTLIEB - Hesse, Germany


JRI Poland #Poland REPOST: Records from Szczebrzeszyn: BROFENBRENER #poland

Tamar Amit <tamar.amit@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I still have no translations for any of the records at all...

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records. They are posted on ViewMate with the following details:

Death registration >from 1843 Szczebrzeszyn of BREFENBRENER Dobra-VM8104
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8104


Birth registration >from 1843 Szczebrzeszyn of BROFENBRENER Herszko-VM8105
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8105


Birth registration >from 1840 Szczebrzeszyn of BROFENBRENER Moszko-VM8106
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8106


Birth registration >from 1863 Szczebrzeszyn BROFENBRENER Wolf-VM8107
Direct link:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8107

I would like to know the details in the record especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain
additional details.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@... . Thank you.


Tamar Amit,
Givatayim Israel.

Researching:
BECKER - Tuchola and Gdansk, Prussia;
BRONFENBRENER, GEWIRCMAN, ROJBOIM, RESENBERG, WAGNER - Lublin area, Poland
APT, GOTTLIEB - Hesse, Germany