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Breznitz in Galicia? #general

yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does someone know of a town in Galicia known as Breznitz?

According to my relatives one of my elderly uncles said , as it appears in
our family tree, that one of our ancestors was a certain Rabbi Yosef of
Breznitz.

This Rabbi Yosef was the son-in-law of a Rabbi Shmuel ben Harav Arieh Leib
both of whom served at the end of the 17th-beg. 18th cent. in Kremenetz. The
names of these rabbis appear in the Kremenetz Memorial book ( I think its
called Pinkas Kremenetz) as well as being listed in Rosenstein's The
Unbroken Chain and Wunder's "Elef Margaliot". But all these sources stop
with Smuel of Kremenetz without listing any daughters (Rosenstein lists a
son if its the same family).

The only town with such a name that I found in the encyclopedia Judaica is
in Cechkoslovakia but since our long past ancestor the Maharal of Prague we
know of no ancestor who lived in Czeck.

Alternatively, does anyone know of a Rabbi Yosef, who married a descendant
of the Mahara"l, and the Maharsha"l for that matter, who served as a rabbi
in the Czech town of Breznitz during the 18th cent.?

As mentioned in the past, the PAPIRNE family of Jerusalem have the same
family tree as we do till some 150 years ago so maybe some one >from that
family is on this list?

Thank you,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Breznitz in Galicia? #general

yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Does someone know of a town in Galicia known as Breznitz?

According to my relatives one of my elderly uncles said , as it appears in
our family tree, that one of our ancestors was a certain Rabbi Yosef of
Breznitz.

This Rabbi Yosef was the son-in-law of a Rabbi Shmuel ben Harav Arieh Leib
both of whom served at the end of the 17th-beg. 18th cent. in Kremenetz. The
names of these rabbis appear in the Kremenetz Memorial book ( I think its
called Pinkas Kremenetz) as well as being listed in Rosenstein's The
Unbroken Chain and Wunder's "Elef Margaliot". But all these sources stop
with Smuel of Kremenetz without listing any daughters (Rosenstein lists a
son if its the same family).

The only town with such a name that I found in the encyclopedia Judaica is
in Cechkoslovakia but since our long past ancestor the Maharal of Prague we
know of no ancestor who lived in Czeck.

Alternatively, does anyone know of a Rabbi Yosef, who married a descendant
of the Mahara"l, and the Maharsha"l for that matter, who served as a rabbi
in the Czech town of Breznitz during the 18th cent.?

As mentioned in the past, the PAPIRNE family of Jerusalem have the same
family tree as we do till some 150 years ago so maybe some one >from that
family is on this list?

Thank you,

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello ,
Last month I received a very suspicious email through JewishGen Family
Finder that appeared to be one of those Nigerian Scam artists.
I reported it to JewishGen and they concurred. So, word of caution!

Shelly Crane
USA
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI, EDENBAUM, FAJNTUCH,
FINKIELSZTEYN (Rajgrod), FROMSEN, GABELMAN, HERSZON, LANGANS, LANGUS,
LAZOWICZ, LEJZEROWICZ, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MALINARSKY, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN,
Ukraine: BABEL, BERMAN, BINDER, BLAS, GITERMAN, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN,
LIPOVETSKY, PETROVSKIJ, , SHIFFMAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello ,
Last month I received a very suspicious email through JewishGen Family
Finder that appeared to be one of those Nigerian Scam artists.
I reported it to JewishGen and they concurred. So, word of caution!

Shelly Crane
USA
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI, EDENBAUM, FAJNTUCH,
FINKIELSZTEYN (Rajgrod), FROMSEN, GABELMAN, HERSZON, LANGANS, LANGUS,
LAZOWICZ, LEJZEROWICZ, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MALINARSKY, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN,
Ukraine: BABEL, BERMAN, BINDER, BLAS, GITERMAN, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN,
LIPOVETSKY, PETROVSKIJ, , SHIFFMAN


New York City Voter Registration Records and the Conference #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

A JewishGenner told us in April about his conversation with someone at the New
York City Board of Elections. He was told that the warehouse containing voter
registration records had moved recently and the records would not be available
to the public until September 2006.

I contacted the Deputy Chief Clerk of the New York City Board of Elections, and
he told me that the voter registration records that had been stored in the
warehouse were stored in an interim facility and were accessible.

I made many attempts by e-mail and phone to determine specifically which records
would or wouldn't be available during conference week through the Manhattan
Borough Office. I was informed today by the Deputy Chief Clerk of that office
that the records at the interim voting machine facility are boxed for a move to
the permanent facility early in 2007 and will not be available during the
conference. I have not been able to learn which years those records cover.

Joy Rich
Co-chair, Repositories Committee
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
26th Annual Conference on Jewish Genealogy
New York City
August 13-18, 2006
www.jgsny2006.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York City Voter Registration Records and the Conference #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

A JewishGenner told us in April about his conversation with someone at the New
York City Board of Elections. He was told that the warehouse containing voter
registration records had moved recently and the records would not be available
to the public until September 2006.

I contacted the Deputy Chief Clerk of the New York City Board of Elections, and
he told me that the voter registration records that had been stored in the
warehouse were stored in an interim facility and were accessible.

I made many attempts by e-mail and phone to determine specifically which records
would or wouldn't be available during conference week through the Manhattan
Borough Office. I was informed today by the Deputy Chief Clerk of that office
that the records at the interim voting machine facility are boxed for a move to
the permanent facility early in 2007 and will not be available during the
conference. I have not been able to learn which years those records cover.

Joy Rich
Co-chair, Repositories Committee
International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies
26th Annual Conference on Jewish Genealogy
New York City
August 13-18, 2006
www.jgsny2006.org


Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research? #general

John Hoenig
 

I believe there is a scam going around, as readers have deduced, but there are
also cases where similar emails, phone calls, or letters are legitimate. I have
two examples of the latter.

The first case is instructive because it shows why people may be suspicious of
*our* letters and phone calls. My great grandfather's brother (I'll call him
Saul) in NYC remarried early in the last century after his wife died, and had
more children with the new wife. The children >from the two marriages were never
close because they differed in age greatly and they drifted apart. I finally
found a descendent of that second marriage (I'll call him Tom) and he told me
the following story. When a son of Saul died in the 1980s without a will, it was
incumbent on the executor to find all potential heirs who could stand to
inherit some of the estate (i.e., to exercise due diligence in searching). The
executor, himself an heir, did not track down the descendents >from the second
marriage. One day, Tom's mother called him and said a lawyer had contacted her
to say that she could inherit some money >from a distant relative and if she
agreed to give him 1/3 he'd arrange it. No money was asked for up front. It
sounded fishy. Then Tom remembered he'd met a genealogist at the National
Archives a few years earlier and that women had been very nice in helping Tom,
who was a complete beginner. She had given him her business card. So Tom called
her to ask if it made sense that there could be a distant relative who died
intestate and that his mother could be entitled to a share of the estate. It
turns out - small world - that the genealogist had been the one to do the
research for the lawyer. This lawyer would regularly comb the newspapers for
notices of people dying intestate and, if the estate was large enough, he'd
have the genealogist look for heirs. In this case, Tom's mother was happy to
share the inheritance with the lawyer because if it hadn't been for the lawyer
she'd have gotten nothing. (Note: I am not passing judgement on what happened,
just reporting what I heard.

My other example concerns a scientist in Italy whose hobby is Jewish history. He
contacted me because he saw an article I had written in a genealogy magazine
about cousins that were deported to Auschwitz >from Italy. He told me he knew
what happened to my cousins. I was extremely agitated by this and suspected the
worst. But, it turns out he had stumbled across a collection of letters
retrieved >from a dentention camp in Italy and those letters were written to my
cousin. It's been an awesome experience to receive those letters.

So, yes, I think we should all exercise caution with unsolicited communications.
There are creeps out there. But, there are also some nice people who might have
amazing things to tell you.

John Hoenig
Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research? #general

John Hoenig
 

I believe there is a scam going around, as readers have deduced, but there are
also cases where similar emails, phone calls, or letters are legitimate. I have
two examples of the latter.

The first case is instructive because it shows why people may be suspicious of
*our* letters and phone calls. My great grandfather's brother (I'll call him
Saul) in NYC remarried early in the last century after his wife died, and had
more children with the new wife. The children >from the two marriages were never
close because they differed in age greatly and they drifted apart. I finally
found a descendent of that second marriage (I'll call him Tom) and he told me
the following story. When a son of Saul died in the 1980s without a will, it was
incumbent on the executor to find all potential heirs who could stand to
inherit some of the estate (i.e., to exercise due diligence in searching). The
executor, himself an heir, did not track down the descendents >from the second
marriage. One day, Tom's mother called him and said a lawyer had contacted her
to say that she could inherit some money >from a distant relative and if she
agreed to give him 1/3 he'd arrange it. No money was asked for up front. It
sounded fishy. Then Tom remembered he'd met a genealogist at the National
Archives a few years earlier and that women had been very nice in helping Tom,
who was a complete beginner. She had given him her business card. So Tom called
her to ask if it made sense that there could be a distant relative who died
intestate and that his mother could be entitled to a share of the estate. It
turns out - small world - that the genealogist had been the one to do the
research for the lawyer. This lawyer would regularly comb the newspapers for
notices of people dying intestate and, if the estate was large enough, he'd
have the genealogist look for heirs. In this case, Tom's mother was happy to
share the inheritance with the lawyer because if it hadn't been for the lawyer
she'd have gotten nothing. (Note: I am not passing judgement on what happened,
just reporting what I heard.

My other example concerns a scientist in Italy whose hobby is Jewish history. He
contacted me because he saw an article I had written in a genealogy magazine
about cousins that were deported to Auschwitz >from Italy. He told me he knew
what happened to my cousins. I was extremely agitated by this and suspected the
worst. But, it turns out he had stumbled across a collection of letters
retrieved >from a dentention camp in Italy and those letters were written to my
cousin. It's been an awesome experience to receive those letters.

So, yes, I think we should all exercise caution with unsolicited communications.
There are creeps out there. But, there are also some nice people who might have
amazing things to tell you.

John Hoenig
Virginia


Mr. JOEL BINNES #southafrica

richard casson
 

21 JULY 2006

SUBJECT: MR. JOEL BINNES OF LIVERPOOL (UK)

Dear fellow SIG members

My uncle Mr. Joel Binnes of Liverpool(UK) spent nearly two years as a 22
year old in South Africa between the years 1922 to 1924.

I'm wondering if there is anyone in South Africa who knows anything
whatsoever about his stay.Being 75 years ago it's going to be hearsay or
something like that.

All I know is that he worked for relatives which are likely to have been the
Brodie family who established the Plate Glass company in Cape Town.

Wonder if Joel needed an entrance Visa and if so where I might find details
of it.

For further details of my family please refer to my posting on SA SIG
Digest 20/08/2006

from Mr. Richard Casson
Cheadle(Near Manchester UK)


Re: Jewish Life in Heidelberg, Gauteng - BERGMANN #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

To Dennis Kahn and to other members of SA Sig,

This is a long shot...........but who knows?

Ludwig BERGMAN(n) [born 1835, in Germany, and died in
Germany] was married to Rosa ROSENFELS (1851-1893 -
died in S. Africa)] certainly had a 'winkel' in
Rouxville (OFS).
They had no children.

I wonder if Ludwig had any shop as you describe in
Heidelberg (E. Transvaal )???????

I'd be very interested to know what you find out in
answer to your question,Dennis.

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
--- Kahn <denmor@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Members of my family resided in Heidelberg, Eastern
Transvaal at the end of
the 19th century.
Three Gochin brothers adopted Bergman as their
surname when Joseph and Jacob
rented a general dealer's business, trading as
'Bergman se Winkel/Bergman's
Shop'. This was about 1896.

Can this be confirmed >from the research being done
on country communities or
other sources?

Thanks in advance,
Dennis Kahn
Amsterdam
denmor@xs4all.nl


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Mr. JOEL BINNES #southafrica

richard casson
 

21 JULY 2006

SUBJECT: MR. JOEL BINNES OF LIVERPOOL (UK)

Dear fellow SIG members

My uncle Mr. Joel Binnes of Liverpool(UK) spent nearly two years as a 22
year old in South Africa between the years 1922 to 1924.

I'm wondering if there is anyone in South Africa who knows anything
whatsoever about his stay.Being 75 years ago it's going to be hearsay or
something like that.

All I know is that he worked for relatives which are likely to have been the
Brodie family who established the Plate Glass company in Cape Town.

Wonder if Joel needed an entrance Visa and if so where I might find details
of it.

For further details of my family please refer to my posting on SA SIG
Digest 20/08/2006

from Mr. Richard Casson
Cheadle(Near Manchester UK)


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Jewish Life in Heidelberg, Gauteng - BERGMANN #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

To Dennis Kahn and to other members of SA Sig,

This is a long shot...........but who knows?

Ludwig BERGMAN(n) [born 1835, in Germany, and died in
Germany] was married to Rosa ROSENFELS (1851-1893 -
died in S. Africa)] certainly had a 'winkel' in
Rouxville (OFS).
They had no children.

I wonder if Ludwig had any shop as you describe in
Heidelberg (E. Transvaal )???????

I'd be very interested to know what you find out in
answer to your question,Dennis.

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>
--- Kahn <denmor@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Members of my family resided in Heidelberg, Eastern
Transvaal at the end of
the 19th century.
Three Gochin brothers adopted Bergman as their
surname when Joseph and Jacob
rented a general dealer's business, trading as
'Bergman se Winkel/Bergman's
Shop'. This was about 1896.

Can this be confirmed >from the research being done
on country communities or
other sources?

Thanks in advance,
Dennis Kahn
Amsterdam
denmor@xs4all.nl


Hersman Cape Town #southafrica

Haim pogrund
 

There was a Doris Hersman, a Dermatologist at GSH many years ago. A
family member as well as a professional connection???
Haim P

On Jul 18, 2006, at 01:05, Saul Issroff wrote:

Looking at the Jewish Colonial Trust shareholders at
http://www.jct.co.il/english.html I came across two of my great
uncles :
Samuel B. Hersman Cape Town 25678
Moses Hersman Cape Town 25677
Max Hersman Cape Town 25676



J.C.T - Jewish Colonial Trust Ltd.

Samuel B is Barney, Max in known but the problem I have is that I
have never come across MOSES HERSMAN before, and none of the family
know of him. He does not feature on any SA Jewry databases nor in the
SA National Archives database.

The name in Linkuva, Lithuania was Girs=Hersch=Hersman.

Any ideas?

Saul Issroff


Heidelberg, Transvaal. #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

To Denis Kahn and other SIG members who are
interested in finding information on South African Jewry.
Click on the Rootsweb site i.e.

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/cgi_Rootweb.exe

which is the South African Jewish Rootsbank
Centre for Jewish Migration & Genealogy Studies
at the Kaplan Centre at UCT.

Communities are on the following site:

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/cgi_Rootweb.exe?entry_point=Communities

Hope this helps..

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Fwd: Hersman Cape Town #southafrica

Haim pogrund
 

There was a Doris Hersman, a Dermatologist at GSH many years ago. A
family member as well as a professional connection???
Haim P

On Jul 18, 2006, at 01:05, Saul Issroff wrote:

Looking at the Jewish Colonial Trust shareholders at
http://www.jct.co.il/english.html I came across two of my great
uncles :
Samuel B. Hersman Cape Town 25678
Moses Hersman Cape Town 25677
Max Hersman Cape Town 25676



J.C.T - Jewish Colonial Trust Ltd.

Samuel B is Barney, Max in known but the problem I have is that I
have never come across MOSES HERSMAN before, and none of the family
know of him. He does not feature on any SA Jewry databases nor in the
SA National Archives database.

The name in Linkuva, Lithuania was Girs=Hersch=Hersman.

Any ideas?

Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Heidelberg, Transvaal. #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

To Denis Kahn and other SIG members who are
interested in finding information on South African Jewry.
Click on the Rootsweb site i.e.

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/cgi_Rootweb.exe

which is the South African Jewish Rootsbank
Centre for Jewish Migration & Genealogy Studies
at the Kaplan Centre at UCT.

Communities are on the following site:

http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/cgi_Rootweb.exe?entry_point=Communities

Hope this helps..

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

A & D Weinman <abediw@...>
 

A few years ago, I was contacted by someone who got my name >from the Jewish
genealogy listing. They asked if I was related to a certain party. I was.
My mother's cousin died intestate without any apparent heirs. They wanted
the names of my first line relatives who would have been related to the
deceased's mother. Everyone >from my mother's level and above was deceased.
I contacted all cousins who then gave me permission to provide their names.
There were many heirs on my side (her mother's) and a few heirs on her
father's side, (not related to us).

The "searchers" took, I believe , 25% of the estate. It was an unexpected
inheritance for many of my cousins who never met the deceased. ( I knew her
when I was a kid.) It was a well deserved fee since we would never have
known about the estate had I not been contacted.

I gratefully made a donation to JewishGen at the time.

Diana Weinman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

A & D Weinman <abediw@...>
 

A few years ago, I was contacted by someone who got my name >from the Jewish
genealogy listing. They asked if I was related to a certain party. I was.
My mother's cousin died intestate without any apparent heirs. They wanted
the names of my first line relatives who would have been related to the
deceased's mother. Everyone >from my mother's level and above was deceased.
I contacted all cousins who then gave me permission to provide their names.
There were many heirs on my side (her mother's) and a few heirs on her
father's side, (not related to us).

The "searchers" took, I believe , 25% of the estate. It was an unexpected
inheritance for many of my cousins who never met the deceased. ( I knew her
when I was a kid.) It was a well deserved fee since we would never have
known about the estate had I not been contacted.

I gratefully made a donation to JewishGen at the time.

Diana Weinman


Wiggery-pokery! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Dear J-genners,

If I may summarize >from a Jewishgen standpoint the results of the
many responses to my query about perruque vs. sheitel, it now seems
clear that western and central Europeans, including western and
central European Jews, had simply adopted the word for "wig" >from
either French or Italian, >from which it had entered not only German
but eventually Yiddish also. Let the French and Italians now fight
it out between themselves! (And I learned something I had not known:
that even the English had adopted the French word in the form
"periwig", >from which the abbreviation "wig" evolved later.

>from the point of view of Jewish culture, this exchange seems to
illustrate a fact we already knew: namely, that western Jews
absorbed European culture much earlier than east European Jews
(because the intellectual and political effects of the Enlightenment
permitted this far sooner) and that they "lost" or rather chose to
"drop" the use of Yiddish in general earlier than in the east -- in
large part because of what someone correctly identified as their
snobbish "disdain" for what they perceived as the language of the
Jewish "great unwashed."

Which of course makes the "comeback" of Yiddish in the twentieth
century all the more remarkable! I still remember the shock of
discovering (perhaps twenty years ago or more) that Yiddish had now
become a subject that could be studied academically at Oxford -- more
or less at the very moment when that august institution had dropped
its requirement that applicants demonstrate a knowledge of either
Latin or Greek!

O tempora! O mores!

Judith Romney Wegner

MODERATOR NOTE: Perhaps Judith's response ends this thread unless there is
something new to add?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wiggery-pokery! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Dear J-genners,

If I may summarize >from a Jewishgen standpoint the results of the
many responses to my query about perruque vs. sheitel, it now seems
clear that western and central Europeans, including western and
central European Jews, had simply adopted the word for "wig" >from
either French or Italian, >from which it had entered not only German
but eventually Yiddish also. Let the French and Italians now fight
it out between themselves! (And I learned something I had not known:
that even the English had adopted the French word in the form
"periwig", >from which the abbreviation "wig" evolved later.

>from the point of view of Jewish culture, this exchange seems to
illustrate a fact we already knew: namely, that western Jews
absorbed European culture much earlier than east European Jews
(because the intellectual and political effects of the Enlightenment
permitted this far sooner) and that they "lost" or rather chose to
"drop" the use of Yiddish in general earlier than in the east -- in
large part because of what someone correctly identified as their
snobbish "disdain" for what they perceived as the language of the
Jewish "great unwashed."

Which of course makes the "comeback" of Yiddish in the twentieth
century all the more remarkable! I still remember the shock of
discovering (perhaps twenty years ago or more) that Yiddish had now
become a subject that could be studied academically at Oxford -- more
or less at the very moment when that august institution had dropped
its requirement that applicants demonstrate a knowledge of either
Latin or Greek!

O tempora! O mores!

Judith Romney Wegner

MODERATOR NOTE: Perhaps Judith's response ends this thread unless there is
something new to add?