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*re: Planning a Trip to Kosice/Presov in late June 2007 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Ted,

The first recommendation is about getting inside and around the cemeteries.

1. Both cemeteries (Kosice and Presov): get in touch in advance with the keys keepers; although the Kosice cemetery is easily accessible >from the Catholic cemetery nearby, sometimes that gate is closed too. Your best chance to get the keys is to write to the local Jewish congregations and make arrangements

Zidovska Nabozenska Obec - Kosice
Dr. Jur. Pavol Jur - president
XXXX

Zidovska Nabozenska Obec - Presov
Mr. Desider Landa - president
Svermova ulica 32
XXXX

Both Mr. Jur and Mr. Landa are old gentlemen. <snip> I am not sure they speak English but both speak Slovak and Hungarian. Call them because they do not reply to letters. At least that was my experience.

2. Kosice's Jewish cemetery is HUGE (over 5,000 graves) therefor if you plan to visit it make sure you know which plots you are looking for. Wandering around, in the search of a grave can take days. You can search the cemetery's database at <http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?pid=630>. There are two cemeteries, separated by a simple fence: the reform and the orthodox. The later is in the back of the cemetery's plot, up in the hill. Many graves are surrounded by heavy weed. Make sure you take gloves and a garden scissor with you, as well as a sun protector. July is quite warm in eastern Slovakia.

3. The Presov Jewish cemetery is rather small, maybe 500 graves, and very orderly arranged and cleaned, so in a few hours you can walk around all graves. Make sure you look the monument of the Jewish soldiers who died in WW1. It may contain names of your interest.

Bon voyage
Tom

Moderator: Please contact Tom off-list if you want addresses and phone numbers for Mr. Jur and Mr. Landa.

At 23:05 -0500 02.11.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject:
From:
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:10:53 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

Does anyone have suggestions/advice for a Kosice/Presov tour
guide/translator for a three to four day visit to maternal grandmother's
family area of origin. Dates for trip are late June, 2007.

Family names in region were Sonnenschein (Sunshine), Kraus and Grosz.

We (my wife and I) will be coming >from paternal grandfather's area of origin
in Dubno, Ukraine (near Lvov) where we will be visiting in prior three/four
days.
--
...........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


*re: The given name Mali and its_Hebrew Equivalent #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Amos,

Probably this was mentioned on this list many time: there isn't such a thing=
as the EXACT equivalent of a secular name to a Hebrew one or vice versa.=
Mali could be anything in Hebrew, like Malka, Miryam or even names which do=
not start with mem. As far as I know Mali is the pet name for Amalia or=
Amalie, thus names beginning with alef would be candidates too. Or, since=
Amalia's root is the old German word "amal", meaning "work" or=
"industrious", any Hebrew translation would fit too.

If you search JewishGen's archive of stored messages <http://data.jewishgen.=
org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop> you will find 32 which mention and=
discuss Mali.

Good luck
Tom

At 23:05 -0500 02.11.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: The given name Mali and its_Hebrew Equivalent
From: Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:10:50 -0200
X-Message-Number: 2

Dear fellow H-Siggers,

If any of you have a relative with the given name of "M=B7li" among your
ancestors, I would be interested to know what her Hebrew given name was.
I am in the process of restoring my great grandmother's tombstone, upon
which are the names of her parents. The only letter in her mother's name
to have withstood the ravages of time is the Hebrew letter "Mem." The
rest has remained a mystery, although I have managed to narrow it down
to two options.
Amos Zezmer
--
..........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: Planning a Trip to Kosice/Presov in late June 2007 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Ted,

The first recommendation is about getting inside and around the cemeteries.

1. Both cemeteries (Kosice and Presov): get in touch in advance with the keys keepers; although the Kosice cemetery is easily accessible >from the Catholic cemetery nearby, sometimes that gate is closed too. Your best chance to get the keys is to write to the local Jewish congregations and make arrangements

Zidovska Nabozenska Obec - Kosice
Dr. Jur. Pavol Jur - president
XXXX

Zidovska Nabozenska Obec - Presov
Mr. Desider Landa - president
Svermova ulica 32
XXXX

Both Mr. Jur and Mr. Landa are old gentlemen. <snip> I am not sure they speak English but both speak Slovak and Hungarian. Call them because they do not reply to letters. At least that was my experience.

2. Kosice's Jewish cemetery is HUGE (over 5,000 graves) therefor if you plan to visit it make sure you know which plots you are looking for. Wandering around, in the search of a grave can take days. You can search the cemetery's database at <http://www.cemetery.sk/english/?pid=630>. There are two cemeteries, separated by a simple fence: the reform and the orthodox. The later is in the back of the cemetery's plot, up in the hill. Many graves are surrounded by heavy weed. Make sure you take gloves and a garden scissor with you, as well as a sun protector. July is quite warm in eastern Slovakia.

3. The Presov Jewish cemetery is rather small, maybe 500 graves, and very orderly arranged and cleaned, so in a few hours you can walk around all graves. Make sure you look the monument of the Jewish soldiers who died in WW1. It may contain names of your interest.

Bon voyage
Tom

Moderator: Please contact Tom off-list if you want addresses and phone numbers for Mr. Jur and Mr. Landa.

At 23:05 -0500 02.11.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject:
From:
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:10:53 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

Does anyone have suggestions/advice for a Kosice/Presov tour
guide/translator for a three to four day visit to maternal grandmother's
family area of origin. Dates for trip are late June, 2007.

Family names in region were Sonnenschein (Sunshine), Kraus and Grosz.

We (my wife and I) will be coming >from paternal grandfather's area of origin
in Dubno, Ukraine (near Lvov) where we will be visiting in prior three/four
days.
--
...........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: The given name Mali and its_Hebrew Equivalent #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Amos,

Probably this was mentioned on this list many time: there isn't such a thing=
as the EXACT equivalent of a secular name to a Hebrew one or vice versa.=
Mali could be anything in Hebrew, like Malka, Miryam or even names which do=
not start with mem. As far as I know Mali is the pet name for Amalia or=
Amalie, thus names beginning with alef would be candidates too. Or, since=
Amalia's root is the old German word "amal", meaning "work" or=
"industrious", any Hebrew translation would fit too.

If you search JewishGen's archive of stored messages <http://data.jewishgen.=
org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop> you will find 32 which mention and=
discuss Mali.

Good luck
Tom

At 23:05 -0500 02.11.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: The given name Mali and its_Hebrew Equivalent
From: Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:10:50 -0200
X-Message-Number: 2

Dear fellow H-Siggers,

If any of you have a relative with the given name of "M=B7li" among your
ancestors, I would be interested to know what her Hebrew given name was.
I am in the process of restoring my great grandmother's tombstone, upon
which are the names of her parents. The only letter in her mother's name
to have withstood the ravages of time is the Hebrew letter "Mem." The
rest has remained a mystery, although I have managed to narrow it down
to two options.
Amos Zezmer
--
..........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


SITE CITE - Historian Gerd Friedt Honored #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

Gerd Friedt had been of inestimable value to me in completing the search
for one large branch of my family tree. He has published numerous booklets
about the Jewish families of his home area north of Koeln. Having
corresponded with him for several years, I knew a little bit about him. I
was unable to finally meet him on a European trip in 2005 because of
scheduling problems. - Now I finally have a little more information and his
picture, taken two days before his 61st birthday during a presentation
of the "Rheinlandtaler" in Bergheim, where he once resided. The following
is a URL, where you can read all the speeches of the presentation and at
the end there is a link to photos taken at the event. It is all in German,
of course.
http://stadtteilforum-oberaussem.de/de/hans3/gerd-friedt-2/

Other GerSig members who have benefited >from his help may enjoy this. If
anyone wishes to have the newspaper article about him translated, I will be
pleased to do that. (Contact me privately)


Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA BLOG-url: <peledad24.LiveJournal.com>


German SIG #Germany SITE CITE - Historian Gerd Friedt Honored #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

Gerd Friedt had been of inestimable value to me in completing the search
for one large branch of my family tree. He has published numerous booklets
about the Jewish families of his home area north of Koeln. Having
corresponded with him for several years, I knew a little bit about him. I
was unable to finally meet him on a European trip in 2005 because of
scheduling problems. - Now I finally have a little more information and his
picture, taken two days before his 61st birthday during a presentation
of the "Rheinlandtaler" in Bergheim, where he once resided. The following
is a URL, where you can read all the speeches of the presentation and at
the end there is a link to photos taken at the event. It is all in German,
of course.
http://stadtteilforum-oberaussem.de/de/hans3/gerd-friedt-2/

Other GerSig members who have benefited >from his help may enjoy this. If
anyone wishes to have the newspaper article about him translated, I will be
pleased to do that. (Contact me privately)


Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA BLOG-url: <peledad24.LiveJournal.com>


Revue # 87 #france

Ernest Kallmann
 

Just off the press :Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive

Issue 87, July-September 2006

Our Society’s life

Françoise Lyon-Caen and Georges Graner summarize the presentations by
some of our members of their latest research results during the monthly
meeting on September 11, 2006.

Families

Bernard Lyon-Caen publishes a well-documented article about the
ancestors of Marc Bloch (1866 -1944), a famous historian who taught at
College de France and who founded with his friend Lucien Febvre the
Revue des Annales d’histoire economique et sociale that stressed “the
importance of economic and social phenomena in the historic development
of human societies”. Bloch, in "Societe Feodale", published 1939, upturned
the traditional vision of the Middle Ages.

As soon as July 1940, obsessed by the causes and the course of the two
World Wars in which he had participated, he writes L’etrange defaite,
the strange defeat. The Germans arrest him in Lyon on March 8, 1944 and
torture him, before killing him at the age of 57 on July 16, 1944.

The author describes Marc Bloch’s Alsatian genealogy, over 8 generations
for his paternal line, the Bloch and Aron, and over 9 generations for
his maternal line, the Ebstein and Grombach.

Pascal FAUSTINI presents the genealogy of Lion Asher, chief-rabbi in
Metz (1766-1785), one of the outstanding Talmudists of his times,
according to Jewish Encyclopedia. He uses a yet unknown document he has
unearthed at the Moselle Archives Departementales: Lion Asher’s probate
inventory. He thus helps us discover Lion Asher’s ancestors, mostly
rabbis of German origin settled in Eastern Europe, belonging to the
families Katzenellenbogen, Wahl and Ulmo-Gunzburg. Among his
descendants, Pascal Faustini discovers … Marc Bloch.

Jean-François RENAUD shows great admiration, which we share, for his
uncle Georges Jessula, one of our former members, unfortunately passed
away in 2004. Renaud writes a sort of log-book of the Jessula family’s
crossings >from Corfu to Marseilles, to the Far-East, >from Italy to Corfu
etc. Pictures and family-trees illustrate this sentimental journey.

Miscellaneous

Our webmaster Georges GRANER shares his discovery of a new
Italian-Jewish genealogy website. “Some surnames declared in the
Palatinate in 1808 by Jews of Alsatian origin”, published by Bernhard
Kukatzki in “Pfaelzisch-Rheinische Familienkunde” is reproduced by
permission. Bernard LYON-CAEN reports about a family meeting of the
Goudchaux organized in April 2006 by Jacky Martin-Godchaux in Luxembourg.


Please send questions and answers only to : office@...

Cercle de Généalogie Juive, 45 rue La Bruyère, 75009 Paris, France


French SIG #France Revue # 87 #france

Ernest Kallmann
 

Just off the press :Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive

Issue 87, July-September 2006

Our Society’s life

Françoise Lyon-Caen and Georges Graner summarize the presentations by
some of our members of their latest research results during the monthly
meeting on September 11, 2006.

Families

Bernard Lyon-Caen publishes a well-documented article about the
ancestors of Marc Bloch (1866 -1944), a famous historian who taught at
College de France and who founded with his friend Lucien Febvre the
Revue des Annales d’histoire economique et sociale that stressed “the
importance of economic and social phenomena in the historic development
of human societies”. Bloch, in "Societe Feodale", published 1939, upturned
the traditional vision of the Middle Ages.

As soon as July 1940, obsessed by the causes and the course of the two
World Wars in which he had participated, he writes L’etrange defaite,
the strange defeat. The Germans arrest him in Lyon on March 8, 1944 and
torture him, before killing him at the age of 57 on July 16, 1944.

The author describes Marc Bloch’s Alsatian genealogy, over 8 generations
for his paternal line, the Bloch and Aron, and over 9 generations for
his maternal line, the Ebstein and Grombach.

Pascal FAUSTINI presents the genealogy of Lion Asher, chief-rabbi in
Metz (1766-1785), one of the outstanding Talmudists of his times,
according to Jewish Encyclopedia. He uses a yet unknown document he has
unearthed at the Moselle Archives Departementales: Lion Asher’s probate
inventory. He thus helps us discover Lion Asher’s ancestors, mostly
rabbis of German origin settled in Eastern Europe, belonging to the
families Katzenellenbogen, Wahl and Ulmo-Gunzburg. Among his
descendants, Pascal Faustini discovers … Marc Bloch.

Jean-François RENAUD shows great admiration, which we share, for his
uncle Georges Jessula, one of our former members, unfortunately passed
away in 2004. Renaud writes a sort of log-book of the Jessula family’s
crossings >from Corfu to Marseilles, to the Far-East, >from Italy to Corfu
etc. Pictures and family-trees illustrate this sentimental journey.

Miscellaneous

Our webmaster Georges GRANER shares his discovery of a new
Italian-Jewish genealogy website. “Some surnames declared in the
Palatinate in 1808 by Jews of Alsatian origin”, published by Bernhard
Kukatzki in “Pfaelzisch-Rheinische Familienkunde” is reproduced by
permission. Bernard LYON-CAEN reports about a family meeting of the
Goudchaux organized in April 2006 by Jacky Martin-Godchaux in Luxembourg.


Please send questions and answers only to : office@...

Cercle de Généalogie Juive, 45 rue La Bruyère, 75009 Paris, France


Re: sephardic digest: November 01, 2006 #sephardic

Roy Pologe <roy@...>
 

Benveniste antecedant info:

My own family line is paper trail traceable >from 1588 onward, with periodic
interruption. Prior knowledge before 1588 relies on conjecture. However,
Beneviste antecedents married into family. Beneviste family history
parallel with my family's post Iberia demographics, e.g., Holland, Germany,
(Hamburg). Eventually into Galicia, >from where immediate paternal
forebearers immigrated to US. In your vicinity if you care to discuss this
further. Doesn't JesishGen do wonderful stuff?

Roy Pologe
roy@...

-----Original Message-----
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1. Sephardic Jews in Germany

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Sephardic Jews in Germany
From: "Cary Aufseeser" <cary@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:35:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

My family heritage is German Jewish, but we have an oral tradition of
Sephardic descent on both my father's and mother's side. I have been able to
trace one ancestral line back to Barcelona and Gerona, and that is my
BENVENISTE line. I wonder if there is any information on four other lines of
possible Sephardic origin that I am also trying to trace.


SPANIER
My ancestors >from this line, beginning with Moses SPANIER, came from
Stadthagen, Germany and settled in Hamburg in the 17th century. I don't know
where they came >from before they settled in Stadthagen.

WOLFF
I can trace this line to Reckendorf, Bavaria, before they settled in Hamburg
in the 19th century. The original Sephardic surname was LUPO or LUPE.

LONDON
We have an oral tradition that these ancestors originally >from Spain,
traveled through Scotland and London before settling in Breslau, Silesia
(which was once in Prussia, and is now called Wroclaw, Poland).

HAHN
This Cohen family supposedly of Sephardic origin, settled in the Franconia
area of Northern Bavaria.


Cary Aufseeser
Newton, MA
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Sephardic SIG #Sephardim RE: sephardic digest: November 01, 2006 #sephardic

Roy Pologe <roy@...>
 

Benveniste antecedant info:

My own family line is paper trail traceable >from 1588 onward, with periodic
interruption. Prior knowledge before 1588 relies on conjecture. However,
Beneviste antecedents married into family. Beneviste family history
parallel with my family's post Iberia demographics, e.g., Holland, Germany,
(Hamburg). Eventually into Galicia, >from where immediate paternal
forebearers immigrated to US. In your vicinity if you care to discuss this
further. Doesn't JesishGen do wonderful stuff?

Roy Pologe
roy@...

-----Original Message-----
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To: sephardic digest recipients
Subject: sephardic digest: November 01, 2006

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SEPHARDIC Digest for Wednesday, November 01, 2006.

1. Sephardic Jews in Germany

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Sephardic Jews in Germany
From: "Cary Aufseeser" <cary@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:35:40 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

My family heritage is German Jewish, but we have an oral tradition of
Sephardic descent on both my father's and mother's side. I have been able to
trace one ancestral line back to Barcelona and Gerona, and that is my
BENVENISTE line. I wonder if there is any information on four other lines of
possible Sephardic origin that I am also trying to trace.


SPANIER
My ancestors >from this line, beginning with Moses SPANIER, came from
Stadthagen, Germany and settled in Hamburg in the 17th century. I don't know
where they came >from before they settled in Stadthagen.

WOLFF
I can trace this line to Reckendorf, Bavaria, before they settled in Hamburg
in the 19th century. The original Sephardic surname was LUPO or LUPE.

LONDON
We have an oral tradition that these ancestors originally >from Spain,
traveled through Scotland and London before settling in Breslau, Silesia
(which was once in Prussia, and is now called Wroclaw, Poland).

HAHN
This Cohen family supposedly of Sephardic origin, settled in the Franconia
area of Northern Bavaria.


Cary Aufseeser
Newton, MA
cary@...



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Fate of Smuelis and Nechama Zulty #lithuania

franck
 

Hello,

Smuelis Zulty and Nechama Zulty were prisoners in The Vilnius Ghetto in May
1942.

Nechama Zulty was born in 1929, he was a tailor. Smuelis Zulty was born in
1915, he was a baker.

I don't know if Nechama and Smuelis escaped The Vilnius Ghetto.

I would know their family because I think they were related to my family.
Too I would like to know their fate.

I would also like to know where Smuelis Zulty came from? Where did he
live before he was prisoner in the Vilnius Ghetto, in May 1942?

Best regards,

Franck d'Almeida-Zolty (Zulty).
4, avenue de la Paix
02100 Saint-Quentin
FRANCE
franck.d-almeida@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fate of Smuelis and Nechama Zulty #lithuania

franck
 

Hello,

Smuelis Zulty and Nechama Zulty were prisoners in The Vilnius Ghetto in May
1942.

Nechama Zulty was born in 1929, he was a tailor. Smuelis Zulty was born in
1915, he was a baker.

I don't know if Nechama and Smuelis escaped The Vilnius Ghetto.

I would know their family because I think they were related to my family.
Too I would like to know their fate.

I would also like to know where Smuelis Zulty came from? Where did he
live before he was prisoner in the Vilnius Ghetto, in May 1942?

Best regards,

Franck d'Almeida-Zolty (Zulty).
4, avenue de la Paix
02100 Saint-Quentin
FRANCE
franck.d-almeida@...


TOPFER/TEPPER & KURZER Landowner Records #poland

roe kard
 

There was a place called Wulka Mazowieki about 8 miles east of Rawa
Ruska, about 30 miles northwest of Lvov. Most of the people listed in
(what i was told were) the landowner records for this town were non-
Jews, but, among the major landowners in the area were two Jewish
families: the Topfers/Tepper's and Kurzers, my great-great
grandparents. I believe that they also held title or rental rights
over land in surrounding towns. If you have family with these names
anywhere around Lvov, please contact me and I am happy to share these
records with you. I am asking that anyone with whom I share records,
share with me any translations they do of the records they take >from me.

Shabbat Shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Ita Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER (Rawa Ruska,
Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately


JRI Poland #Poland TOPFER/TEPPER & KURZER Landowner Records #poland

roe kard
 

There was a place called Wulka Mazowieki about 8 miles east of Rawa
Ruska, about 30 miles northwest of Lvov. Most of the people listed in
(what i was told were) the landowner records for this town were non-
Jews, but, among the major landowners in the area were two Jewish
families: the Topfers/Tepper's and Kurzers, my great-great
grandparents. I believe that they also held title or rental rights
over land in surrounding towns. If you have family with these names
anywhere around Lvov, please contact me and I am happy to share these
records with you. I am asking that anyone with whom I share records,
share with me any translations they do of the records they take >from me.

Shabbat Shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Ita Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER (Rawa Ruska,
Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately


TOPFER/TEPPER & KURZER Land Ownership Records #general

roe kard
 

There was a place called Wulka Mazowieki about 8 miles east of Rawa
Ruska, about 30 miles northwest of Lvov. Most of the people listed in
(what i was told were) the land owner records for this town were non-
Jews, but, among the major landowners in the area were two Jewish
families: the Topfers/Tepper's and Kurzers, my great-great
grandparents. I believe that they also held title or rental rights
over land in surrounding towns. If you have family with these names
anywhere around Lvov, please contact me and I am happy to share these
records with you. I am asking that anyone with whom I share records,
share with me any translations they do of the records they take >from me.

Shabbat Shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Ita Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER (Rawa Ruska,
Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TOPFER/TEPPER & KURZER Land Ownership Records #general

roe kard
 

There was a place called Wulka Mazowieki about 8 miles east of Rawa
Ruska, about 30 miles northwest of Lvov. Most of the people listed in
(what i was told were) the land owner records for this town were non-
Jews, but, among the major landowners in the area were two Jewish
families: the Topfers/Tepper's and Kurzers, my great-great
grandparents. I believe that they also held title or rental rights
over land in surrounding towns. If you have family with these names
anywhere around Lvov, please contact me and I am happy to share these
records with you. I am asking that anyone with whom I share records,
share with me any translations they do of the records they take >from me.

Shabbat Shalom,
Karen Rosenfeld Roekard
aka Gitel Chaye Ita Rosenfeld Rokart

ROSENFELD, TOPFER/TEPPER, SPRITZER, KURZER, KOCH, HAUSER (Rawa Ruska,
Wulka Mazowieki, Magierow, Niemerow, Ulicka Zarabone)
ROKART, ROKACH (Belz, Sokal, Brody)
GOLDWURM (Bialy Kamen)
GOLD, GOLDBERG, BIEGEL, BERGREEN (Dzikow, Tarnbrzeg, Ropcyctz)


Liverpool, England in 1910-11 #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Relatives were living at 75 Crown Street off Brownen Hill in Liverpool,
England in April 1911, possibly since July of 1910. What was that area like
at that time?

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa, USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN (Priluki, Ukraine; England;
Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine); PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON
Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA); REISER (Belarus) or GOLDSTEIN/GRACER
(USA); SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus) or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK
(Lutzin, Belarus; Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Liverpool, England in 1910-11 #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

Relatives were living at 75 Crown Street off Brownen Hill in Liverpool,
England in April 1911, possibly since July of 1910. What was that area like
at that time?

Rochelle Gershenow
Potomac, MD

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa, USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Belarus); LECKERMAN/LAKERMAN (Priluki, Ukraine; England;
Pennsylvania, USA); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine); PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON
Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA); REISER (Belarus) or GOLDSTEIN/GRACER
(USA); SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus) or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK
(Lutzin, Belarus; Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki, Ukraine)


Re: Burial Societies: Next Steps to Take? #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Alex Magocsi sought information about the Fidelis Society, which had a
plot a Mount Zion Cemetery in Maspeth (Queens), N.Y., and asked whether
the burial society exited, where their records might be found, and whether
the cemetery might have more information than that available on-line?
Their first burial was in 1937, the last was 1987.

Here are some things to do to obtain more information for any "burial
society"

1. Call the cemetery. They keep a last known contact number, usually the
group's president, cemetery committee chairman, or equivalent, for every
society. They usually don't know whether or not the group still exists,
but they always have somebody's name on record, whether it's somebody who
died 50 years ago, or a contact person who had nothing to do with a
disbanded group but received a small amount of money to arrange for
burials that were reserved while the group was still in existence.

2. Get the exact name of the group >from the cemetery. Then look on line
via www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/ to see if there are other cemeteries (in
this case in the New York City area, which includes Queens, Brooklyn,
Staten Island, Long Island, Westchester, and New Jersey) in which the
group may own another plot. The plot at Maspeth may have been filled, or
the fallen into disrepair, or simply fallen out of favor with the
membership for a newer cemetery, which may still be active, or at least
have more recent information.

3. Especially if this burial society was a landsmanshaft, call YIVO or
search their information at home.att.net/~landsmanshaft/yivo.htm
(unfortunately, in this case, Fidelis is not listed).

4. Assuming that this group is or was a non-profit corporation in the
State of New York, call the New York State Department of State to see if
they have any current information (unlikely, but worth a try), or
information about a merger with another group or a name change.

Regards,

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


Burial Societies - Thank you #general

Alex Magocsi
 

Thank you to all for the replies.
You have given me the push I needed.
Sometimes the answer is so obvious and yet we don't see it.

Thank you
Alex W Magocsi
York, Maine USA