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URGENT -- News Concerning JRI-Poland Online Order System #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear JRI-Poland Researchers:

JRI-Poland is planning to take the online ordering system down for
a system overhaul in the very near future. If you are planning to
order records using the online system, please create your order as
soon as possible. We expect the system to be taken down on Friday,
November 17, 2006. As a result, all orders must be submitted with
payment well before this date.

To facilitate the ordering of your records, please contact me
directly at willie46@... to arrange for processing of and
payment for your orders. Please do not mail your orders to the
address listed on your order form.

We will use this forum to keep you up-to-date on the status of the
online ordering system.

We regret any inconvenience that this causes to our fellow
researchers.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia URGENT -- News Concerning JRI-Poland Online Order System #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Dear JRI-Poland Researchers:

JRI-Poland is planning to take the online ordering system down for
a system overhaul in the very near future. If you are planning to
order records using the online system, please create your order as
soon as possible. We expect the system to be taken down on Friday,
November 17, 2006. As a result, all orders must be submitted with
payment well before this date.

To facilitate the ordering of your records, please contact me
directly at willie46@... to arrange for processing of and
payment for your orders. Please do not mail your orders to the
address listed on your order form.

We will use this forum to keep you up-to-date on the status of the
online ordering system.

We regret any inconvenience that this causes to our fellow
researchers.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator


VM8806-Marriage record for Lejb KOPILOWICZ-Is in Hebrew, not Yiddish #poland

BABYCAT3@...
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8806

I was corrected that this record is in Hebrew, not Yiddish.
Kindly provide me with a translation if you would be so kind.
Thank you and please respond privately,

Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...
NJ, USA


JRI Poland #Poland VM8806-Marriage record for Lejb KOPILOWICZ-Is in Hebrew, not Yiddish #poland

BABYCAT3@...
 

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8806

I was corrected that this record is in Hebrew, not Yiddish.
Kindly provide me with a translation if you would be so kind.
Thank you and please respond privately,

Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...
NJ, USA


Re: Meaning of Marat on a tombstone #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 7:46 PM -0500 11/9/06, Fran Segall wrote:
Is it possible (likely) to have the word "marat" on the gravestone of a
woman who was widowed for many years before she died? Does "marat" only
refer to a currently married woman, or is it used for a woman who has
been (but is no longer) married?

The same woman's death certificate >from 1925 says "married". Is it
possible that *that* could be incorrect as well? I've been certain for
many years that this was my great-grandmother. But now I'm having a
"crisis of faith" and wondering just how much of my tree I may have
"invented" instead of "discovered"!

Marat is basically a polite title equivalent to "Mrs." (just as
"Mar" means Mr. -- though gravestones normally would use "R." -- an
abbreviation for "Reb" -- when referring to a man) As in other
languages, a widow can continue to be called "Mrs. Cohen" or "Mrs.
Smith" or whatever. It's really more of a polite title than a
signifier of marital status.

In general, tombstones refer to deceased women by their Hebrew names
as "X bat Y." Wives who predecease their husbands are, in
addition, sometimes described as "eshet" (wife of) so and so."
However, I don't have the impression that the tombstones of widows
routinely refer to them by the term "almanah." Perhaps someone can
tell us more about this?

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Meaning of Marat on a tombstone #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 7:46 PM -0500 11/9/06, Fran Segall wrote:
Is it possible (likely) to have the word "marat" on the gravestone of a
woman who was widowed for many years before she died? Does "marat" only
refer to a currently married woman, or is it used for a woman who has
been (but is no longer) married?

The same woman's death certificate >from 1925 says "married". Is it
possible that *that* could be incorrect as well? I've been certain for
many years that this was my great-grandmother. But now I'm having a
"crisis of faith" and wondering just how much of my tree I may have
"invented" instead of "discovered"!

Marat is basically a polite title equivalent to "Mrs." (just as
"Mar" means Mr. -- though gravestones normally would use "R." -- an
abbreviation for "Reb" -- when referring to a man) As in other
languages, a widow can continue to be called "Mrs. Cohen" or "Mrs.
Smith" or whatever. It's really more of a polite title than a
signifier of marital status.

In general, tombstones refer to deceased women by their Hebrew names
as "X bat Y." Wives who predecease their husbands are, in
addition, sometimes described as "eshet" (wife of) so and so."
However, I don't have the impression that the tombstones of widows
routinely refer to them by the term "almanah." Perhaps someone can
tell us more about this?

Judith Romney Wegner


Re: LDS films of East German films #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Dear Hanna:

First, a clarification for our readers: "East German" in the subject
line is a translation of "Ostdeutsch," i.e., east of the Oder-Neisse
line. The former East Germany--the German Democratic Republic--was
usually referred to as Mitteldeutschland, i.e., Middle Germany. I've
taken to saying "Prussian Poland," even though bits of the eastern parts
have wound up in Lithuania, Russia and the Czech Republic.

That said, Koenigsberg's films are listed in the FHL catalogue, same as
they always were. "Konigsberg" with or without the umlaut, and
"Kaliningrad" both return a lot of results. (Occasionally the database
has the hiccups and returns "not found" for anything you ask it. If you
suspect that this is the case, put in "Boston" or something to check,
and then wait a little while.)

The spreadsheet in question--which covers the entire footprint of the
JRI-Poland project, not just Prussian Poland--may be downloaded at
http://www.jri-poland.org/jri-lds.htm. All corrections, amplifications,
etc. are welcomed.

(Back to "East Germany" for a moment: many of the sources of the FHL
films for Koenigsberg are archived in Berlin.)

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
JRI-Poland Co-ordinator, Prussian Poland

Hanna K. Grossman wrote:

At the conference this summer Roger Lustig mentioned a spreadsheet
showing these film numbers (and presumably places they cover).

Does anyone know how to find this spreadsheet?

I am looking for films covering the Jewish population of Konigsberg
1900-1910. In the past the FHL catalog listed several films, before and
after that period.
I just looked again and found nothing under Konigsberg and nothing
relevant under Kaliningrad (and no cross referencing)--so I hope this
spreadsheet would help me.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS films of East German films #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Dear Hanna:

First, a clarification for our readers: "East German" in the subject
line is a translation of "Ostdeutsch," i.e., east of the Oder-Neisse
line. The former East Germany--the German Democratic Republic--was
usually referred to as Mitteldeutschland, i.e., Middle Germany. I've
taken to saying "Prussian Poland," even though bits of the eastern parts
have wound up in Lithuania, Russia and the Czech Republic.

That said, Koenigsberg's films are listed in the FHL catalogue, same as
they always were. "Konigsberg" with or without the umlaut, and
"Kaliningrad" both return a lot of results. (Occasionally the database
has the hiccups and returns "not found" for anything you ask it. If you
suspect that this is the case, put in "Boston" or something to check,
and then wait a little while.)

The spreadsheet in question--which covers the entire footprint of the
JRI-Poland project, not just Prussian Poland--may be downloaded at
http://www.jri-poland.org/jri-lds.htm. All corrections, amplifications,
etc. are welcomed.

(Back to "East Germany" for a moment: many of the sources of the FHL
films for Koenigsberg are archived in Berlin.)

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
JRI-Poland Co-ordinator, Prussian Poland

Hanna K. Grossman wrote:

At the conference this summer Roger Lustig mentioned a spreadsheet
showing these film numbers (and presumably places they cover).

Does anyone know how to find this spreadsheet?

I am looking for films covering the Jewish population of Konigsberg
1900-1910. In the past the FHL catalog listed several films, before and
after that period.
I just looked again and found nothing under Konigsberg and nothing
relevant under Kaliningrad (and no cross referencing)--so I hope this
spreadsheet would help me.


ROTHSTEIN from Chorzele, Poland #general

sbloom@...
 

I am looking for possible descendants of Abram Itzhak Rothstein (originally
ROTSZTEJN) >from Chorzele, Poland. He was born in about 1840, and apparently
arrived in the US in 1900, a few years after his wife, Ruchla LACRYC (written
in English as Lackritz) died. The Ellis Island manifest said he was meeting his
son, Aron. I do know that he had a nephew Aron, my greatgrandmother's brother.
A son with the same name seems reasonable, or it can be the nephew
misidentified. In any case, I assume Abram died in the USA, most likely in NYC
or Chicago, and probably before 1910 (I can't find him in the census, but I
admit, I didnt try every possible English name he could have adopted). I also
tried searching the NYC death records. There is one "Isaac Rothstein" who could
be him.

I'd appreciate private replies with useful information or further hints on where
to go.

Other related names are MAKOWSKI and BURSZTEJN

Steven D. Bloom
central Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ROTHSTEIN from Chorzele, Poland #general

sbloom@...
 

I am looking for possible descendants of Abram Itzhak Rothstein (originally
ROTSZTEJN) >from Chorzele, Poland. He was born in about 1840, and apparently
arrived in the US in 1900, a few years after his wife, Ruchla LACRYC (written
in English as Lackritz) died. The Ellis Island manifest said he was meeting his
son, Aron. I do know that he had a nephew Aron, my greatgrandmother's brother.
A son with the same name seems reasonable, or it can be the nephew
misidentified. In any case, I assume Abram died in the USA, most likely in NYC
or Chicago, and probably before 1910 (I can't find him in the census, but I
admit, I didnt try every possible English name he could have adopted). I also
tried searching the NYC death records. There is one "Isaac Rothstein" who could
be him.

I'd appreciate private replies with useful information or further hints on where
to go.

Other related names are MAKOWSKI and BURSZTEJN

Steven D. Bloom
central Virginia


Searching - HRUSOVSKY and SCHLESINGER #general

John Hrusovszky <jayjay@...>
 

I am still researching, (and still stuck), on a Schlesinger family that
lived in Slovakia in Nova Mesto in the mid-late 1800s and hoping someone
here would have information on this.

I would like to find some history for Nove Mesto; what life was like in the
1800s, the history of the town, etc. The genealogy researcher I confer
with has informed me that no histories exist on this town to his knowledge due
to past occurances. I am hoping someone here may know information, or be able
to point me in the proper direction. I will post what we know of the paternal
side of my family and how we arrived at believing Schlesinger is in that lineage
and, hopefully, someone here will be able to fill in a blank or two, or let us
know where we should proceed;

Beginning with my father:

Janos A. Hrusovszky, b. Dunakeszi, Hungary. Son of:
Jan Hrusovsky b. 08 Oct 1912 Schlesinger Majer (by Piestany, Slovakia)
Matild Sztojkovics b. 01 Mar 1907 Gtakham Temes-Toront, Romania

This is all we have proven -- we have Jan's mother's information, and
maternal grandparents and great-grandparents information, but nothing for
certain on the paternal side.
On the birth certificate of Jan Hrusovsky's, the father is left blank.

Now, family oral tradition that my father heard while growing up in
Budapest was that his father (Jan Hrusovsky) was born the son of a king and
that his mother was a chambermaid in this king's kingdom. Obviously, there was
no king or kingdoms in Slovakia in the early 1900s, so all we can figure is that
either that tradition was a total fabrication, or, quite possibly, they were
referring to the owner of the farm (Majer) she lived and worked on. One would
think that to a very poor peasant, a wealthy landowner would appear as a king
and since we know she and her family worked and lived on this farm, she could
have been considered a "chambermaid".

If Schlesinger is the father, the information we have gathered thus far on
him is as follows:

Richard Schlesinger, b. 20 Oct. 1871 in Klucove, Bolesov, Rabinate,
Slovakia. m. Elsa Popper. Richard's parents were:
Adolf Schlesinger, b. 1843 in Nemsova, Slovakia, m. Cacilie Popper, b.
Nov 1849 in Rajec Teplice, Slovakia. m. 11 Aug 1868.
Children were Friderika, b. 26 May 1869 in Klatso, Slovakia
Olga, b. 11 Aug 1870 in Klatso, Slovakia
Richard
Adolf's parents:
Jacob Schlesinger, b. 1820 in Bolesov, Slovakia. m. Cecilia 'Zilli'
Lowi.
Children were Adolf,
Bertha, b. 1851 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Isak Elias, b. 1857 in Nemsova, Slovakia (Household #83)
Arnold, b. 29 Sep 1859 in Nemsova, Slovakia (Household #83)
David, b. 16 Jan 1861 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Mina, b. 08 Mar 1865 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Cacilie Popper's parents:
Abraham Popper, b. 1814 in Poruba. m. Esther 'Netti' Schimek
Abraham's parents:
Leopold Popper and unknown
Leopold's parents:
Herschel 'Israel' Popper and unknown


As you can see, there is a lot of speculation here, but we have nowhere else to
go, and there are enough coincidences to make us believe we are on the correct
path with the Schlesinger line.

One other mini-mystery (or just a mistake): on Jan Hrusovsky's original
birth certificate, the priest made a mistake and wrote Rusovszky instead of
Hrusovsky. This was corrected in 1942 to Hrusovsky. The remark says:
"cognomes matris recte est Hrusovsky"....which I believe means, the correct
surname of the mother is Hrusovsky. Why this was changed in 1942 we do not know.

If anyone can lend a hand, or point me in a direction that may help, I
would be very grateful.

Thank you, in advance.

John Hrusovszky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching - HRUSOVSKY and SCHLESINGER #general

John Hrusovszky <jayjay@...>
 

I am still researching, (and still stuck), on a Schlesinger family that
lived in Slovakia in Nova Mesto in the mid-late 1800s and hoping someone
here would have information on this.

I would like to find some history for Nove Mesto; what life was like in the
1800s, the history of the town, etc. The genealogy researcher I confer
with has informed me that no histories exist on this town to his knowledge due
to past occurances. I am hoping someone here may know information, or be able
to point me in the proper direction. I will post what we know of the paternal
side of my family and how we arrived at believing Schlesinger is in that lineage
and, hopefully, someone here will be able to fill in a blank or two, or let us
know where we should proceed;

Beginning with my father:

Janos A. Hrusovszky, b. Dunakeszi, Hungary. Son of:
Jan Hrusovsky b. 08 Oct 1912 Schlesinger Majer (by Piestany, Slovakia)
Matild Sztojkovics b. 01 Mar 1907 Gtakham Temes-Toront, Romania

This is all we have proven -- we have Jan's mother's information, and
maternal grandparents and great-grandparents information, but nothing for
certain on the paternal side.
On the birth certificate of Jan Hrusovsky's, the father is left blank.

Now, family oral tradition that my father heard while growing up in
Budapest was that his father (Jan Hrusovsky) was born the son of a king and
that his mother was a chambermaid in this king's kingdom. Obviously, there was
no king or kingdoms in Slovakia in the early 1900s, so all we can figure is that
either that tradition was a total fabrication, or, quite possibly, they were
referring to the owner of the farm (Majer) she lived and worked on. One would
think that to a very poor peasant, a wealthy landowner would appear as a king
and since we know she and her family worked and lived on this farm, she could
have been considered a "chambermaid".

If Schlesinger is the father, the information we have gathered thus far on
him is as follows:

Richard Schlesinger, b. 20 Oct. 1871 in Klucove, Bolesov, Rabinate,
Slovakia. m. Elsa Popper. Richard's parents were:
Adolf Schlesinger, b. 1843 in Nemsova, Slovakia, m. Cacilie Popper, b.
Nov 1849 in Rajec Teplice, Slovakia. m. 11 Aug 1868.
Children were Friderika, b. 26 May 1869 in Klatso, Slovakia
Olga, b. 11 Aug 1870 in Klatso, Slovakia
Richard
Adolf's parents:
Jacob Schlesinger, b. 1820 in Bolesov, Slovakia. m. Cecilia 'Zilli'
Lowi.
Children were Adolf,
Bertha, b. 1851 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Isak Elias, b. 1857 in Nemsova, Slovakia (Household #83)
Arnold, b. 29 Sep 1859 in Nemsova, Slovakia (Household #83)
David, b. 16 Jan 1861 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Mina, b. 08 Mar 1865 in Nemsova, Slovakia
Cacilie Popper's parents:
Abraham Popper, b. 1814 in Poruba. m. Esther 'Netti' Schimek
Abraham's parents:
Leopold Popper and unknown
Leopold's parents:
Herschel 'Israel' Popper and unknown


As you can see, there is a lot of speculation here, but we have nowhere else to
go, and there are enough coincidences to make us believe we are on the correct
path with the Schlesinger line.

One other mini-mystery (or just a mistake): on Jan Hrusovsky's original
birth certificate, the priest made a mistake and wrote Rusovszky instead of
Hrusovsky. This was corrected in 1942 to Hrusovsky. The remark says:
"cognomes matris recte est Hrusovsky"....which I believe means, the correct
surname of the mother is Hrusovsky. Why this was changed in 1942 we do not know.

If anyone can lend a hand, or point me in a direction that may help, I
would be very grateful.

Thank you, in advance.

John Hrusovszky


Smolensk #belarus

Baronzeit@...
 

I have been researching my ZEITLIN family for several years on the
understanding that my grandfather, Moshe Nochum was born in Minsk
or Mstislavl.

Thanks to the discovery of a cousin in USA I now believe he may well
have been born and lived in Smolensk. As this was beyond the Pale,
I am at a loss to know how to invcestigate further.
Can anyone help?

Graham Zeitlin
London, England.
Researching Zeitlin, Tseitlin, Minsk Mstislavl Smolensk


Belarus SIG #Belarus Smolensk #belarus

Baronzeit@...
 

I have been researching my ZEITLIN family for several years on the
understanding that my grandfather, Moshe Nochum was born in Minsk
or Mstislavl.

Thanks to the discovery of a cousin in USA I now believe he may well
have been born and lived in Smolensk. As this was beyond the Pale,
I am at a loss to know how to invcestigate further.
Can anyone help?

Graham Zeitlin
London, England.
Researching Zeitlin, Tseitlin, Minsk Mstislavl Smolensk


Naturalization records #general

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

It's been a while since I had to search for naturalization records and now I
need to do it again. I recall that there was a difference between finding
naturalizations >from before 1906 and those after. Can I search for both in
the National Archives in DC?

Someone mentioned searching at the INS for those >from Maryland. Can one
search there? where is it?

Jeff Malka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization records #general

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

It's been a while since I had to search for naturalization records and now I
need to do it again. I recall that there was a difference between finding
naturalizations >from before 1906 and those after. Can I search for both in
the National Archives in DC?

Someone mentioned searching at the INS for those >from Maryland. Can one
search there? where is it?

Jeff Malka


Nu? What's New? E-Magazine was Re: missing manifest pages #general

Nancy Ring Kendrick <ringgenealogy@...>
 

All of you might be interested in Nu? What's New? E-Magazine special addition
which announces the paid subscription service being discussed in this thread
offering additional indexed passenger records and Hamburg Emigration lists.

Specifically, "paid subscription site has made available additional U.S.
passenger arrival lists for several U.S. ports including the complete Ellis
Island arrivals 1892-1957--fully indexed. The complete index for all ports
identifies more than 100 million passengers. They have also announced plans to
release in December all Hamburg Emigration lists 1850-1934 with, initially, an
index for 1890-1912."

You may read the entire Nu? What's New? article by visiting this web address:
http://www.avotaynu.com/nu/V07N18.htm or searching Nu? What's New? through your
favorite web search site.

This addition my solve part of the problem with the missing manifests. If they
aren't in the current database, maybe they will appear in the new indexes.

Good luck to all in your research efforts!

Regards,
Nancy Kendrick
Port Orange, FL
Searching BLOCH and RING >from the following areas: Bielsko-Biala / Bystra /
Kenty / Nowy Sacz / Tarnow
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/
?Welcome=3D1018348985

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nu? What's New? E-Magazine was Re: missing manifest pages #general

Nancy Ring Kendrick <ringgenealogy@...>
 

All of you might be interested in Nu? What's New? E-Magazine special addition
which announces the paid subscription service being discussed in this thread
offering additional indexed passenger records and Hamburg Emigration lists.

Specifically, "paid subscription site has made available additional U.S.
passenger arrival lists for several U.S. ports including the complete Ellis
Island arrivals 1892-1957--fully indexed. The complete index for all ports
identifies more than 100 million passengers. They have also announced plans to
release in December all Hamburg Emigration lists 1850-1934 with, initially, an
index for 1890-1912."

You may read the entire Nu? What's New? article by visiting this web address:
http://www.avotaynu.com/nu/V07N18.htm or searching Nu? What's New? through your
favorite web search site.

This addition my solve part of the problem with the missing manifests. If they
aren't in the current database, maybe they will appear in the new indexes.

Good luck to all in your research efforts!

Regards,
Nancy Kendrick
Port Orange, FL
Searching BLOCH and RING >from the following areas: Bielsko-Biala / Bystra /
Kenty / Nowy Sacz / Tarnow
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Nancy-R-Kendrick/
?Welcome=3D1018348985

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a one-time mention of a commercial site under JewishGen
rules


Irving SABLOFSKY of Las Vegas, Nevada #general

David Priever
 

Hello Fellow Jewishgenners,

Would anyone know how to contact Irving SABLOFSKY of Las Vegas. He had a
brother whose former wife is connected to an acquaintance of mine.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
Jamaica, NY
email: brooklyn1960@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Irving SABLOFSKY of Las Vegas, Nevada #general

David Priever
 

Hello Fellow Jewishgenners,

Would anyone know how to contact Irving SABLOFSKY of Las Vegas. He had a
brother whose former wife is connected to an acquaintance of mine.

Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
Jamaica, NY
email: brooklyn1960@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately