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KINSBRUNNER update #romania

Leanna Shuster <lunarcleo@...>
 

Hello-
First of all, thank you so much to all of the SIGers who have
responded to my message >from last week. I did cross-post on the
Austria-Czech SIG, and I have to say that the real outpouring of
responses I got was almost all >from the Romania SIG.
I still have a long way to go, but I have made such leaps and bounds
in just the last few days - it's very exciting. One of the initial
responses I received told me of a SIGer's relations by marriage who
used to have the last name Kinsbrunner and were >from Czernowitz,
Austria, which was known as Cernauti when it was located in Romania
and Chernivtsy when it was part of the Ukraine.
This tidbit sent me back to try to research the town name of
Pheodoresti, Romania which I had been told was the birthplace of my
great-grandfather Chaim Solomon Kinsbrunner. In speaking with my
parents, I was at first very frustrated to learn that they are
uncertain where the WWI dogtags of my ggrandfather currently are (I
still am not pleased about this). As I continued to speak with them,
my mom pulled out her file of family history papers and it turns out
there were a number of items had no idea even existed.
Of most interest for now was a carbon copy of the official U.S. Army
documents my grandfather had to fill out to document his family
history when he enlisted. On these documents, he clearly lists the
birthplace of his father as Cernauti, Romania.
So now I have a whole new set of questions to answer. For one thing,
I still want to know where in the family history the name Pheodoresti
came >from - comments >from other SIG members suggest that this most
likely refers to Teodoresti, which according to the Shtetl seeker is
not particularly close to Cernauti.
The Cernauti connection gives me a lot of new avenues to explore. I'm
wondering if someone out there can suggest where I might look to
research Cernauti/Czernowitz/Chernivtsy. Since it changed
governmental hands so many times, I'm not sure how to start trying to
find documents related to my family or how to track down how other
Kinsbrunners >from the area might be related to my great-grandfather.
Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Leanna Shuster
near Philadelphia, PA
MODERATOR NOTE: You might also want to join the Ukraine SIG. Private replies.
Searching for:
KINSBRUNNER (Vienna/Pheodoresti, Romania/Connecticut), WEISKOPFT
(Saaz, Czech./Vienna/Israel), SLEISCHEL (Czech?), BODKER
(Brest/Litorsk/New York City), SIEGEL (Russia?/New York City), COLEMAN
(Triskic, Lithuania/California), KALFIN (Triskic,
Lithuania/California), KOENIGSBERG (Sanoka, Galicia/Georgia,
USA/California), STRINGER (Austria?/USA), HIRSHKOWITZ / GERSHOVITZ /
HERSHKOWITZ / HASOVITZ (Horodyezese, Mindk/Georgia, USA/California).


Romania SIG #Romania KINSBRUNNER update #romania

Leanna Shuster <lunarcleo@...>
 

Hello-
First of all, thank you so much to all of the SIGers who have
responded to my message >from last week. I did cross-post on the
Austria-Czech SIG, and I have to say that the real outpouring of
responses I got was almost all >from the Romania SIG.
I still have a long way to go, but I have made such leaps and bounds
in just the last few days - it's very exciting. One of the initial
responses I received told me of a SIGer's relations by marriage who
used to have the last name Kinsbrunner and were >from Czernowitz,
Austria, which was known as Cernauti when it was located in Romania
and Chernivtsy when it was part of the Ukraine.
This tidbit sent me back to try to research the town name of
Pheodoresti, Romania which I had been told was the birthplace of my
great-grandfather Chaim Solomon Kinsbrunner. In speaking with my
parents, I was at first very frustrated to learn that they are
uncertain where the WWI dogtags of my ggrandfather currently are (I
still am not pleased about this). As I continued to speak with them,
my mom pulled out her file of family history papers and it turns out
there were a number of items had no idea even existed.
Of most interest for now was a carbon copy of the official U.S. Army
documents my grandfather had to fill out to document his family
history when he enlisted. On these documents, he clearly lists the
birthplace of his father as Cernauti, Romania.
So now I have a whole new set of questions to answer. For one thing,
I still want to know where in the family history the name Pheodoresti
came >from - comments >from other SIG members suggest that this most
likely refers to Teodoresti, which according to the Shtetl seeker is
not particularly close to Cernauti.
The Cernauti connection gives me a lot of new avenues to explore. I'm
wondering if someone out there can suggest where I might look to
research Cernauti/Czernowitz/Chernivtsy. Since it changed
governmental hands so many times, I'm not sure how to start trying to
find documents related to my family or how to track down how other
Kinsbrunners >from the area might be related to my great-grandfather.
Any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Leanna Shuster
near Philadelphia, PA
MODERATOR NOTE: You might also want to join the Ukraine SIG. Private replies.
Searching for:
KINSBRUNNER (Vienna/Pheodoresti, Romania/Connecticut), WEISKOPFT
(Saaz, Czech./Vienna/Israel), SLEISCHEL (Czech?), BODKER
(Brest/Litorsk/New York City), SIEGEL (Russia?/New York City), COLEMAN
(Triskic, Lithuania/California), KALFIN (Triskic,
Lithuania/California), KOENIGSBERG (Sanoka, Galicia/Georgia,
USA/California), STRINGER (Austria?/USA), HIRSHKOWITZ / GERSHOVITZ /
HERSHKOWITZ / HASOVITZ (Horodyezese, Mindk/Georgia, USA/California).


looking for BUECHLER #hungary

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings.

I have a problem which hopefully will be typical and easily answered.

According to several US Census....

My grandfather Louis BUECHLER was born in 1875 in Austro-Hungary.
He came to the US in 1890.

exactly where he entered the US, I have no idea as he is not listed
at Ellis Island, or any of the Canadian ports.

on all of the census, he lists MAGAR as his native language.

on the birth certificate of his first child in 1904 he lists
Austria as his country of birth.

on the birth certificate of my father, in 1910,he lists Hungary
as his country of birth.

Can anyone help me on where to even begin to look for his family's roots
in Eastern Europe?

as I said, "hopefully this is a typical problem, easily solved"

thank you, in advance, for any assistance

Jeffrey Leeds
Sherman Oaks, CA
USA

Moderator: If your grandfather listed "MAGAR" as his native language he was probably a Hungarian, i.e. Magyar. Have you checked JewishGen's Family Finder <http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/> to see if anyone else is researching this surname? You might also get leads by looking for BUECHLER in the All-Hungary Database <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/.


Hungary SIG #Hungary looking for BUECHLER #hungary

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings.

I have a problem which hopefully will be typical and easily answered.

According to several US Census....

My grandfather Louis BUECHLER was born in 1875 in Austro-Hungary.
He came to the US in 1890.

exactly where he entered the US, I have no idea as he is not listed
at Ellis Island, or any of the Canadian ports.

on all of the census, he lists MAGAR as his native language.

on the birth certificate of his first child in 1904 he lists
Austria as his country of birth.

on the birth certificate of my father, in 1910,he lists Hungary
as his country of birth.

Can anyone help me on where to even begin to look for his family's roots
in Eastern Europe?

as I said, "hopefully this is a typical problem, easily solved"

thank you, in advance, for any assistance

Jeffrey Leeds
Sherman Oaks, CA
USA

Moderator: If your grandfather listed "MAGAR" as his native language he was probably a Hungarian, i.e. Magyar. Have you checked JewishGen's Family Finder <http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/> to see if anyone else is researching this surname? You might also get leads by looking for BUECHLER in the All-Hungary Database <http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/.


Birth Marriage Death records #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

I have posted zipped folders containing birth, marriage, death
records to the web.
You may down load these files.
Warning - some files are large and my take a while to download
depending on your connection speed.

These records have not been microfilmed by the LDS.

Stropkov, Stakcin, Trebisov, Vranov are at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing15.html

Humenne is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing16.html

Michalovce is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing17.html

Secovce (including index) is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing18.html

Kiraly Helmec (including index, thanks to Alex Miller and his team)
is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing19.html

If anyone wants to make an index for the un-indexed records, I will
post it to the web page.

These images are very large, most are 12 x 20 inches, and are in
focus at full size, so zoom them to actual size for best viewing.

If you use a MAC, the images can be viewed using PREVIEW.

If you use a PC and need an image viewer there is a very nice one
available free for download at
www.irfanview.com

Bobby Furst


Hungary SIG #Hungary Birth Marriage Death records #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

I have posted zipped folders containing birth, marriage, death
records to the web.
You may down load these files.
Warning - some files are large and my take a while to download
depending on your connection speed.

These records have not been microfilmed by the LDS.

Stropkov, Stakcin, Trebisov, Vranov are at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing15.html

Humenne is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing16.html

Michalovce is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing17.html

Secovce (including index) is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing18.html

Kiraly Helmec (including index, thanks to Alex Miller and his team)
is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/bobby1st/FileSharing19.html

If anyone wants to make an index for the un-indexed records, I will
post it to the web page.

These images are very large, most are 12 x 20 inches, and are in
focus at full size, so zoom them to actual size for best viewing.

If you use a MAC, the images can be viewed using PREVIEW.

If you use a PC and need an image viewer there is a very nice one
available free for download at
www.irfanview.com

Bobby Furst


Re: crossed out on manifest... #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

Dovie wrote:
I am not sure, but I may have found some relatives on a ship's manifest, but they
are all crossed out. The thing is, they are crossed out on both the english
manifest >from NY and the german one out of hamburg(I think it was hamburg, I'd
have to check again). Does this mean they were NOT on the ship or could it mean
something else? [...]
Joy Weaver wrote:
[...]
You may find them shortly afterward on another ship if the problem was only that
they were late for the sailing and not that they decided not to emigrate after all.
"Shortly" may mean enough time for a child to recover >from chickenpox etc, as
happened in one of "my" families when the toddler was forbidden passage while ill.

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: crossed out on manifest... #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

Dovie wrote:
I am not sure, but I may have found some relatives on a ship's manifest, but they
are all crossed out. The thing is, they are crossed out on both the english
manifest >from NY and the german one out of hamburg(I think it was hamburg, I'd
have to check again). Does this mean they were NOT on the ship or could it mean
something else? [...]
Joy Weaver wrote:
[...]
You may find them shortly afterward on another ship if the problem was only that
they were late for the sailing and not that they decided not to emigrate after all.
"Shortly" may mean enough time for a child to recover >from chickenpox etc, as
happened in one of "my" families when the toddler was forbidden passage while ill.

Cecilia Nyleve


ViewMate - Unidentified probable relative #germany

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a woman at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9659
I believe that she is a relative but I do not know her name. The photo is
dated 1928.
Please contact me off list if you recognize her or if she reminds you of
someone. In any case I would appreciate a guess as to her age so that
I can at least estimate her year of birth. Reply privately to:

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco <oliverbryk@...>


Re: fee increases at National Archives #general

rv Kaplan
 

PLEASE can people indicate WHICH country they are talking about in the subject line.
There are National Archives in London, and probably elsewhere.

thanks

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow, Scotland

On 19/03/07, JoanGR@... <JoanGR@...> wrote:
In the Henderson (Nevada) News issue March 9 - 15, 2007, a certified genealogist
named Stefani Evans ran a column concerning the rise in prices for documents at
the National Archives.


German SIG #Germany ViewMate - Unidentified probable relative #germany

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a woman at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9659
I believe that she is a relative but I do not know her name. The photo is
dated 1928.
Please contact me off list if you recognize her or if she reminds you of
someone. In any case I would appreciate a guess as to her age so that
I can at least estimate her year of birth. Reply privately to:

Oliver Bryk, San Francisco <oliverbryk@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: fee increases at National Archives #general

rv Kaplan
 

PLEASE can people indicate WHICH country they are talking about in the subject line.
There are National Archives in London, and probably elsewhere.

thanks

Harvey L Kaplan

Glasgow, Scotland

On 19/03/07, JoanGR@... <JoanGR@...> wrote:
In the Henderson (Nevada) News issue March 9 - 15, 2007, a certified genealogist
named Stefani Evans ran a column concerning the rise in prices for documents at
the National Archives.


Re: Canadian Informed Consent For 2006 Census- More Than Half Gave Affirmative Response #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"jan meisels allen" <janmallen@...> wrote in message
news:026e01c76938$26e55fc0$0202a8c0@MainDELL...


Future genealogists, will not be able to access information on 44% of those
in the 2006 census when the other information becomes public in 2098. For those
interested in reading the Census results go to: Access the home page of Statistics Canada at
www.statcan.ca/start.html Under Tuesday, March 13, 2007 click the link for
'Population and dwelling counts, 2006 Census Scroll down the page to the paragraph
heading 'Release of personal census information after 92 years'.
Click the link for 'tabular form.
This appears to be true in so far as it goes but apparently people can change their
response after the Census (presumably either way).
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/reference/info/change.cfm
The question that was asked contains the following preamble: "The following
question is for all persons who usually live here including those less than 15
years old. If you are answering on behalf of other people, please consult each
person."

I am intrigued at the notion of babies or young children being asked how they wish
to respond to this question. Does the Canadian equivalent of the Data Protection
Act (UK) and Freedom of Information Act (US) also apply to data about the deceased?

In the UK, the Data Protection Act specifically defines personal data as data about
living individuals. That is not to say that there are not issues regarding the
data of the deceased, but the DPA does not apply to their data.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,
Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Canadian Informed Consent For 2006 Census- More Than Half Gave Affirmative Response #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"jan meisels allen" <janmallen@...> wrote in message
news:026e01c76938$26e55fc0$0202a8c0@MainDELL...


Future genealogists, will not be able to access information on 44% of those
in the 2006 census when the other information becomes public in 2098. For those
interested in reading the Census results go to: Access the home page of Statistics Canada at
www.statcan.ca/start.html Under Tuesday, March 13, 2007 click the link for
'Population and dwelling counts, 2006 Census Scroll down the page to the paragraph
heading 'Release of personal census information after 92 years'.
Click the link for 'tabular form.
This appears to be true in so far as it goes but apparently people can change their
response after the Census (presumably either way).
http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/reference/info/change.cfm
The question that was asked contains the following preamble: "The following
question is for all persons who usually live here including those less than 15
years old. If you are answering on behalf of other people, please consult each
person."

I am intrigued at the notion of babies or young children being asked how they wish
to respond to this question. Does the Canadian equivalent of the Data Protection
Act (UK) and Freedom of Information Act (US) also apply to data about the deceased?

In the UK, the Data Protection Act specifically defines personal data as data about
living individuals. That is not to say that there are not issues regarding the
data of the deceased, but the DPA does not apply to their data.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,
Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)


Rabbi BERLINGER #germany

Zeev Raphael <zeevra@...>
 

Dear Peter,

If it is Rabbi Eliezer BERLINGER that you are interested in, then
yes indeed, I knew him very well, between the years 1940 to 1946
when I lived in Malmoe, Sweden. He was the rabbi of Malmoe, and indeed
had come there >from Schoenlanke. Later he moved to Finland.
I remember that I attended his funeral in Jerusalem. For some years we
lived next door to each other at Ledebursgatan, close to the synagogue
at Foereningsgatan. I was much together with his son Salomo (Shlomo),
who now lives (or lived) in Stockholm, and was (or is) one of the leaders
of the community. Rabbi Berlinger also had two daughters, Jetti and Sara.
His wife was a GUTWILLIG, originally >from Fuerth (unless I am mistaken).

Best regards, Zeev Raphael, Haifa e-mail: zeevra@...

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 Peter Cullman <aurifex@...> wrote:
-- I am seeking more biographical details on R. Juda Loebel b.
Schimschon Halewi BLASCHKE who served the communities of Koschmin and
Schoenlanke in the 19th century? (Heppner, Aron & Herzberg, Isaak.
"Aus Vergangenheit und Gegenwart der Juden und der juedischen
Gemeinden in den Posener Landen..." has only limited information)
-- I'm also seeking any information on Rabbi BERLINGER who
served the community of in the early 20th century.


German SIG #Germany Rabbi BERLINGER #germany

Zeev Raphael <zeevra@...>
 

Dear Peter,

If it is Rabbi Eliezer BERLINGER that you are interested in, then
yes indeed, I knew him very well, between the years 1940 to 1946
when I lived in Malmoe, Sweden. He was the rabbi of Malmoe, and indeed
had come there >from Schoenlanke. Later he moved to Finland.
I remember that I attended his funeral in Jerusalem. For some years we
lived next door to each other at Ledebursgatan, close to the synagogue
at Foereningsgatan. I was much together with his son Salomo (Shlomo),
who now lives (or lived) in Stockholm, and was (or is) one of the leaders
of the community. Rabbi Berlinger also had two daughters, Jetti and Sara.
His wife was a GUTWILLIG, originally >from Fuerth (unless I am mistaken).

Best regards, Zeev Raphael, Haifa e-mail: zeevra@...

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 Peter Cullman <aurifex@...> wrote:
-- I am seeking more biographical details on R. Juda Loebel b.
Schimschon Halewi BLASCHKE who served the communities of Koschmin and
Schoenlanke in the 19th century? (Heppner, Aron & Herzberg, Isaak.
"Aus Vergangenheit und Gegenwart der Juden und der juedischen
Gemeinden in den Posener Landen..." has only limited information)
-- I'm also seeking any information on Rabbi BERLINGER who
served the community of in the early 20th century.


Unidentified probable relative #hungary

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a woman at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9659
I believe that she is a relative but I do not know her name. The photo is
dated 1928.
Please contact me off list if you recognize her or if she reminds you of
someone.
In any case I would appreciate a guess as to her age so that I can at least
estimate her year of birth.
Oliver Bryk, San Francisco


Hungary SIG #Hungary Unidentified probable relative #hungary

Oliver Bryk <oliverbryk@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a woman at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9659
I believe that she is a relative but I do not know her name. The photo is
dated 1928.
Please contact me off list if you recognize her or if she reminds you of
someone.
In any case I would appreciate a guess as to her age so that I can at least
estimate her year of birth.
Oliver Bryk, San Francisco


Re: crossed out on manifest... #general

joyweave
 

Yes, it means they were not on board.
You may find them shortly afterward on another ship if the problem was only that
they were late for the sailing and not that they decided not to emigrate after all.

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY USA

Dovie wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not sure, but I may have found some relatives on a ship's manifest, but they
are all crossed out. The thing is, they are crossed out on both the english
manifest >from NY and the german one out of hamburg(I think it was hamburg, I'd
have to check again). Does this mean they were NOT on the ship or could it mean
something else?
-Dovie Gelerinter
Gelerinter13@...
Chicago, IL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: crossed out on manifest... #general

joyweave
 

Yes, it means they were not on board.
You may find them shortly afterward on another ship if the problem was only that
they were late for the sailing and not that they decided not to emigrate after all.

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY USA

Dovie wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not sure, but I may have found some relatives on a ship's manifest, but they
are all crossed out. The thing is, they are crossed out on both the english
manifest >from NY and the german one out of hamburg(I think it was hamburg, I'd
have to check again). Does this mean they were NOT on the ship or could it mean
something else?
-Dovie Gelerinter
Gelerinter13@...
Chicago, IL