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JGS of Greater Philadelphia - April 2007 Meeting #general

Lois Sernoff
 

JGS of Greater Philadelphia - April 2007 Meeting

Date: Monday, April 16, 2007
Time: 7:30 PM
Place: Reform Congregation Keneseth Israel
8339 Old York Road intersection of Old York Road (Route 611)
at Township Line (Route 73) Elkins Park, PA 19027

** Monica Leonards Memorial Lecture **

Topic: Two Talks at One Meeting
What Color Ellis Island Search Form Should I Use?
and
Jewish Calendar Demystified

Speaker: Stephen Morse

2006 IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient

In April 2001, the Ellis Island ship manifests and passenger records
went online. A few weeks later, the One-Step Ellis Island website was
created to make this resource easier to use. Since that time, the One-Step
site has been greatly expanded to include new search capabilities and an
array of color-coded search forms. This talk will describe the evolution
of the website >from both a historical and practical perspective, and
provide a beacon for navigating through this color maze.

The Jewish calendar is important to genealogists because Jewish vital
records use the Jewish dates. The Jewish calendar is both a solar and lunar
calendar, with the months being synchronized to the moon and the years to
the sun. As such, the rules governing the calendar can be a bit daunting.
This talk presents the calendar in an easy-to-understand - and sometimes
tongue-in-cheek - fashion. Topics covered include the 19-year calendar
cycle, the origin of time, errors in the Jewish and secular calendars, and
the
use of Hebrew letters to represent dates on tombstones.
****
Q and A Sessions: There will be a 30 minute Question and Answer
session preceding all general meetings.
****
For all who are researching Philadelphia roots and need information on
local resources; cemeteries, funeral directors, repositories (and much
more) please visit the JGSGP website: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsp

** News **
The JGSGP Website now contains information on prior sessions.
Just scroll up to the Menu at the left and click on 2006 or 2007 under
General
Meetings to find a summary of past meetings and copies of handouts, if
available.

****
Interested friends are always welcome!There is a $2.00 admission charge
for non-members. Refreshments will be served following the meeting
****

The Delaware County -- Main Line Affiliate of JGSGP

The Main Line Affiliate meetings are held four times per year at
Martins Run Life Care Community, 11 Martins Run, Media, PA.
Next meeting: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Speakers: Cindy & Jim Meyer, Elaine Burbano
Topic: Finding Cousins: An Unbelievable Coincidence
****
Lois Sernoff [JGS GreaterPhiladelphia]
<JGLois@verizon.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Philadelphia - April 2007 Meeting #general

Lois Sernoff
 

JGS of Greater Philadelphia - April 2007 Meeting

Date: Monday, April 16, 2007
Time: 7:30 PM
Place: Reform Congregation Keneseth Israel
8339 Old York Road intersection of Old York Road (Route 611)
at Township Line (Route 73) Elkins Park, PA 19027

** Monica Leonards Memorial Lecture **

Topic: Two Talks at One Meeting
What Color Ellis Island Search Form Should I Use?
and
Jewish Calendar Demystified

Speaker: Stephen Morse

2006 IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient

In April 2001, the Ellis Island ship manifests and passenger records
went online. A few weeks later, the One-Step Ellis Island website was
created to make this resource easier to use. Since that time, the One-Step
site has been greatly expanded to include new search capabilities and an
array of color-coded search forms. This talk will describe the evolution
of the website >from both a historical and practical perspective, and
provide a beacon for navigating through this color maze.

The Jewish calendar is important to genealogists because Jewish vital
records use the Jewish dates. The Jewish calendar is both a solar and lunar
calendar, with the months being synchronized to the moon and the years to
the sun. As such, the rules governing the calendar can be a bit daunting.
This talk presents the calendar in an easy-to-understand - and sometimes
tongue-in-cheek - fashion. Topics covered include the 19-year calendar
cycle, the origin of time, errors in the Jewish and secular calendars, and
the
use of Hebrew letters to represent dates on tombstones.
****
Q and A Sessions: There will be a 30 minute Question and Answer
session preceding all general meetings.
****
For all who are researching Philadelphia roots and need information on
local resources; cemeteries, funeral directors, repositories (and much
more) please visit the JGSGP website: http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsp

** News **
The JGSGP Website now contains information on prior sessions.
Just scroll up to the Menu at the left and click on 2006 or 2007 under
General
Meetings to find a summary of past meetings and copies of handouts, if
available.

****
Interested friends are always welcome!There is a $2.00 admission charge
for non-members. Refreshments will be served following the meeting
****

The Delaware County -- Main Line Affiliate of JGSGP

The Main Line Affiliate meetings are held four times per year at
Martins Run Life Care Community, 11 Martins Run, Media, PA.
Next meeting: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Speakers: Cindy & Jim Meyer, Elaine Burbano
Topic: Finding Cousins: An Unbelievable Coincidence
****
Lois Sernoff [JGS GreaterPhiladelphia]
<JGLois@verizon.net>


Viewmate file VM9725 German translation #general

Judy Landauer <geniegal@...>
 

Hello, All,

I would like some help >from anyone who is good at translating the old
gothic German script. I have done a lot of this myself, but am still
unfamiliar with the language in general. Please respond privately
to the address at a the bottom of this message.

I have five files on Viewmate that are now ready to look at. They
are all >from a Family Register book >from the town of Gerabronn, Germany.

Most of them are names of the individual children who were born to
this particular Landauer family. These few are still illusive:

File #VM9725:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9725

File #VM9726:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9726

File #VM9727:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9727

File #VM9738:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9728

and

File #VM3729:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9729

These file will be available for seven days. If I don't respond to
you, please realize that we could be out of town for a few days due
to a pending death in the family.

Many thanks to all who respond!

Judy Landauer
geniegal@g14.myrf.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate file VM9725 German translation #general

Judy Landauer <geniegal@...>
 

Hello, All,

I would like some help >from anyone who is good at translating the old
gothic German script. I have done a lot of this myself, but am still
unfamiliar with the language in general. Please respond privately
to the address at a the bottom of this message.

I have five files on Viewmate that are now ready to look at. They
are all >from a Family Register book >from the town of Gerabronn, Germany.

Most of them are names of the individual children who were born to
this particular Landauer family. These few are still illusive:

File #VM9725:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9725

File #VM9726:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9726

File #VM9727:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9727

File #VM9738:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9728

and

File #VM3729:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9729

These file will be available for seven days. If I don't respond to
you, please realize that we could be out of town for a few days due
to a pending death in the family.

Many thanks to all who respond!

Judy Landauer
geniegal@g14.myrf.net


Jewish cemetery in Venice #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

A very beautiful site containing The Venice Haggadah of 1609 which
is one of the most beautiful early printed Haggadot, can be seen at:.

http://www.library.yale.edu/judaica/exhibits/haggadah/VeniceHaggadah.html

This is not strictly genealogical but has a link to an interesting (Jewish)
travel article on the Venice Jewish cemetery ". Jewish Tombs On a Venice
Sandspit"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01E4D81F3DF933A05752C0A9669C8B63&sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=all

[or http://tinyurl.com/yoq782 - Mod.]

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish cemetery in Venice #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

A very beautiful site containing The Venice Haggadah of 1609 which
is one of the most beautiful early printed Haggadot, can be seen at:.

http://www.library.yale.edu/judaica/exhibits/haggadah/VeniceHaggadah.html

This is not strictly genealogical but has a link to an interesting (Jewish)
travel article on the Venice Jewish cemetery ". Jewish Tombs On a Venice
Sandspit"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B01E4D81F3DF933A05752C0A9669C8B63&sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=all

[or http://tinyurl.com/yoq782 - Mod.]

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


Re: Yiddish name of Nevel #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:45:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
timestorm1@hotmail.com writes:

<< Has anyone ever heard of the Yiddish first name of Nevel
for a man? Would it be equivalent to Noah/Noach? I saw
Nevel on a transcribed JewishGen database, and am hoping
to match him with a person whose English name was Noah
and whose Hebrew name was Noach. >>

==Yes, most likely. Noach was also pronounced Noyach or Neyach, depending on
the local Yiddish pronunciations. The addition of -el as a petname was common
among German Jews as long as 10 centuries ago. The oy sound is written eu in
German, u and v are frequently interchanged as you cross borders, languages,
scripts or centuries. Bieder's "Given Names" lists various forms of Noel,
Noelin for Noach back to the 15th century.

==Put all this together and the probability is high that this Nevel was a
Noach. When you consider the alternative, that no other name comes up that
could look remotely like Nevel.

==But I wouldn't swear that no Jew is named Nevel, which is Hebrew for a
harp. However, there's a Yiddish term, Neveyle, that is an extremely derogatory
epithet (derived >from the Hebrew Nevelah meaning carrion. So, except for a
bunch of Jews who 100 years ago named their hotel in Ellenville in the Catskills
"Nevele" I doubt that many Ashkenasi Jews would choose to be named Nevel.

Michael Bernet


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yiddish name of Nevel #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 3/30/2007 8:45:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
timestorm1@hotmail.com writes:

<< Has anyone ever heard of the Yiddish first name of Nevel
for a man? Would it be equivalent to Noah/Noach? I saw
Nevel on a transcribed JewishGen database, and am hoping
to match him with a person whose English name was Noah
and whose Hebrew name was Noach. >>

==Yes, most likely. Noach was also pronounced Noyach or Neyach, depending on
the local Yiddish pronunciations. The addition of -el as a petname was common
among German Jews as long as 10 centuries ago. The oy sound is written eu in
German, u and v are frequently interchanged as you cross borders, languages,
scripts or centuries. Bieder's "Given Names" lists various forms of Noel,
Noelin for Noach back to the 15th century.

==Put all this together and the probability is high that this Nevel was a
Noach. When you consider the alternative, that no other name comes up that
could look remotely like Nevel.

==But I wouldn't swear that no Jew is named Nevel, which is Hebrew for a
harp. However, there's a Yiddish term, Neveyle, that is an extremely derogatory
epithet (derived >from the Hebrew Nevelah meaning carrion. So, except for a
bunch of Jews who 100 years ago named their hotel in Ellenville in the Catskills
"Nevele" I doubt that many Ashkenasi Jews would choose to be named Nevel.

Michael Bernet


Printer/publisher sought re Sasov. #general

henisdov <henisdov@...>
 

My father Uri Henis, a Sasov (Poland) expatriate, wrote
a book (Hebrew) re Sasovers at their home. The book is
"T'mimay Derekh", a 1959 publication by Achi'ever, Jerusalem.

I have a typewritten English translation of this book,
translated into English by Adayah Henis, grand-daughter
of Uri Henis.

Would be grateful for advice if/who might be interested to
print-publish the English translation. No remuneration sought.

Both Uri Henis and Adayah Henis are no longer alive...
I'm Uri's son, Adayah's father.

Sincerely yours,

Dov Henis

Hod-HaSharon, Israel
henisdov@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Printer/publisher sought re Sasov. #general

henisdov <henisdov@...>
 

My father Uri Henis, a Sasov (Poland) expatriate, wrote
a book (Hebrew) re Sasovers at their home. The book is
"T'mimay Derekh", a 1959 publication by Achi'ever, Jerusalem.

I have a typewritten English translation of this book,
translated into English by Adayah Henis, grand-daughter
of Uri Henis.

Would be grateful for advice if/who might be interested to
print-publish the English translation. No remuneration sought.

Both Uri Henis and Adayah Henis are no longer alive...
I'm Uri's son, Adayah's father.

Sincerely yours,

Dov Henis

Hod-HaSharon, Israel
henisdov@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: pseudonyms in ukraine? #general

Dr.Josef ASH
 

Shalom, Michael.
You ask:

From: Michael Ollove [mailto:michael.ollove@gmail.com]
Subject: pseudonyms in ukraine?

I have unearthed a passport >from a grandfather who left the Ukraine in
1911. A Russian translator pointed out that the name my grandfather
used was not "Jewish" but identifiably Slavic. (For example, "Mordko"
fo r a first name rather than what my father says was his actual name,
"Mordechai.") My question is if it's known that Jews commonly tried to
pass as Ukrainian (or Russian) in that era and why? For instance, was
leaving the Ukraine harder if one was identified as Jewish. On the
other hand, is it possible that Ukrainian officials would "slavicize"
a Jewish name, similar to what they did at Ellis Island?
Thank you for any enlightenment on this issue
Is Moses the "pseudonym" for Moshe?
Are Symon, Samsom, Samuel, Solomon, Ray, Hyman, Ann - the pseudonyms
for Shim'on, Shimshon, Shmuel, Shlomo, Rahel, Hayim, Hana.
Mordko is *not* the name your father had "tried to pass as Ukrainian",
it is the way Ukrainian language pronounces the name Mordekhay.
No Ukrainian, hearing the name of the person is Mordko (or Moshko,
Itsko, Berko...) will think he is the Polish, Russian, German or Finnish.
He will know he is *Jewish*!

Dr. Josef Ash


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: pseudonyms in ukraine? #general

Dr.Josef ASH
 

Shalom, Michael.
You ask:

From: Michael Ollove [mailto:michael.ollove@gmail.com]
Subject: pseudonyms in ukraine?

I have unearthed a passport >from a grandfather who left the Ukraine in
1911. A Russian translator pointed out that the name my grandfather
used was not "Jewish" but identifiably Slavic. (For example, "Mordko"
fo r a first name rather than what my father says was his actual name,
"Mordechai.") My question is if it's known that Jews commonly tried to
pass as Ukrainian (or Russian) in that era and why? For instance, was
leaving the Ukraine harder if one was identified as Jewish. On the
other hand, is it possible that Ukrainian officials would "slavicize"
a Jewish name, similar to what they did at Ellis Island?
Thank you for any enlightenment on this issue
Is Moses the "pseudonym" for Moshe?
Are Symon, Samsom, Samuel, Solomon, Ray, Hyman, Ann - the pseudonyms
for Shim'on, Shimshon, Shmuel, Shlomo, Rahel, Hayim, Hana.
Mordko is *not* the name your father had "tried to pass as Ukrainian",
it is the way Ukrainian language pronounces the name Mordekhay.
No Ukrainian, hearing the name of the person is Mordko (or Moshko,
Itsko, Berko...) will think he is the Polish, Russian, German or Finnish.
He will know he is *Jewish*!

Dr. Josef Ash


Recruitment of DNA Testing Participants. #general

Itzhak Epstein
 

Genealogy seems to be a very popular hobby. However, recruiting Jewish
(or other) genealogical enthusiasts for DNA testing is difficult.

My experience with the FTDNA Epstein surname project may be illustrative.

Three years ago, Marsha Epstein started the project. She diligently tried
to recruit participants and they dribbled in, one at a time. When I joined
her a year ago, I became the eleventh member and we undertook
an aggressive recruitment campaign. We wrote to hundreds of Epstein
researchers, >from the distantly related to the actively involved. We trebled
our membership, but most qualified Y-DNA testing participants did not join.
People who can afford trips to the old country, participation in genealogical
conferences and payments to research consultants do not bother to
plunk down $99 for the basic project-connected Y-DNA test.

Other surname projects face the same problem. Many genealogical
researchers avoid attempting to find relatives through DNA testing.

Are my impressions wrong? If you can test your grandfathers' direct male
descendants and have not done so, other then the affordability issue why not?
If you did not subscribe to an mtDNA test, why not?
What might persuade you to participate in DNA testing?

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
<mailto:iegen@earthlink.net>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Recruitment of DNA Testing Participants. #general

Itzhak Epstein
 

Genealogy seems to be a very popular hobby. However, recruiting Jewish
(or other) genealogical enthusiasts for DNA testing is difficult.

My experience with the FTDNA Epstein surname project may be illustrative.

Three years ago, Marsha Epstein started the project. She diligently tried
to recruit participants and they dribbled in, one at a time. When I joined
her a year ago, I became the eleventh member and we undertook
an aggressive recruitment campaign. We wrote to hundreds of Epstein
researchers, >from the distantly related to the actively involved. We trebled
our membership, but most qualified Y-DNA testing participants did not join.
People who can afford trips to the old country, participation in genealogical
conferences and payments to research consultants do not bother to
plunk down $99 for the basic project-connected Y-DNA test.

Other surname projects face the same problem. Many genealogical
researchers avoid attempting to find relatives through DNA testing.

Are my impressions wrong? If you can test your grandfathers' direct male
descendants and have not done so, other then the affordability issue why not?
If you did not subscribe to an mtDNA test, why not?
What might persuade you to participate in DNA testing?

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
<mailto:iegen@earthlink.net>


Searching for photograph - Los Angeles Bakery Fairfax #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I was wondering if any one might have an old photopgraph or know where I
could possible locate a photograph for the Weitz Brothers Bakery on
Fairfax which operated in the 1930-40s.

Thank you
Debby Gincig Painter
Searching:
KLINGER - Lodz, Pietrokov
LUSTIG - Nowy Sacz
GINCIG/GINZIG - Germany/Austria
SHTOCKHAMER - Galicia/Austria


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for photograph - Los Angeles Bakery Fairfax #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I was wondering if any one might have an old photopgraph or know where I
could possible locate a photograph for the Weitz Brothers Bakery on
Fairfax which operated in the 1930-40s.

Thank you
Debby Gincig Painter
Searching:
KLINGER - Lodz, Pietrokov
LUSTIG - Nowy Sacz
GINCIG/GINZIG - Germany/Austria
SHTOCKHAMER - Galicia/Austria


How to read the U.S. Federal Census #general

caroline yaffa <ragdollragdollragdoll@...>
 

I am have trouble reading the federal census. I part I
am confuse about it the one next to the year of
immigration and next to nature of industry and
everything after the education.I can not make those
out.

I am having trouble reading the census for
1900,1910,1920, 1930.

caroline


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to read the U.S. Federal Census #general

caroline yaffa <ragdollragdollragdoll@...>
 

I am have trouble reading the federal census. I part I
am confuse about it the one next to the year of
immigration and next to nature of industry and
everything after the education.I can not make those
out.

I am having trouble reading the census for
1900,1910,1920, 1930.

caroline


U.S. records on-line #unitedkingdom

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Regarding the U.S. Burial records on-line.

After entering several of my relatives names it appeared that the records
show date of burial not date of death - I wrote to the U.S. and they
informed me that the heading, date of death, will be altered.

All said, when I entered my own father's name, for some reason no record
appeared, even though he is buried in a double plot with my mother - and my
mother's record does come up on-line.

I think it will take some time to rectify all matters.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom U.S. records on-line #unitedkingdom

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Regarding the U.S. Burial records on-line.

After entering several of my relatives names it appeared that the records
show date of burial not date of death - I wrote to the U.S. and they
informed me that the heading, date of death, will be altered.

All said, when I entered my own father's name, for some reason no record
appeared, even though he is buried in a double plot with my mother - and my
mother's record does come up on-line.

I think it will take some time to rectify all matters.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)