Date   

photo identification #lithuania

srienzo <srienzo@...>
 

I have posted a photo on Jewishgen of my grandmother Elizabeth Singer
Feinberg and her sister (name unknown) VM9662, taken in Vilinus.
Can anyone comment on the dress, and or possible date? My guess is
1890's, but would like to get some comments,
thank you,
Susan Rienzo

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may find the photo on the ViewMate "To View" page
at http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania photo identification #lithuania

srienzo <srienzo@...>
 

I have posted a photo on Jewishgen of my grandmother Elizabeth Singer
Feinberg and her sister (name unknown) VM9662, taken in Vilinus.
Can anyone comment on the dress, and or possible date? My guess is
1890's, but would like to get some comments,
thank you,
Susan Rienzo

MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may find the photo on the ViewMate "To View" page
at http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp


Zmigrod Novy AKA Novy Zmigrod 19th and 20th Century #poland

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

Dear Researchers,

If your family was in the shtetl of Zmigrod Novy, aka Nowy Zmigrod, during
any of the years >from 1874 through the World Wars, please contact me
privately. I may have information of genealogical value to your research,
and you may be interested to learn about my work with Zmigrod Nowy
records.

Zmigrod Novy was in the former province of Galicia, near Gorlice, Jaslo and
Krosno.

Happy Pesach to all,

Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York
Skolyszyn Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland
esjoachim@optonline.net


JRI Poland #Poland Zmigrod Novy AKA Novy Zmigrod 19th and 20th Century #poland

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

Dear Researchers,

If your family was in the shtetl of Zmigrod Novy, aka Nowy Zmigrod, during
any of the years >from 1874 through the World Wars, please contact me
privately. I may have information of genealogical value to your research,
and you may be interested to learn about my work with Zmigrod Nowy
records.

Zmigrod Novy was in the former province of Galicia, near Gorlice, Jaslo and
Krosno.

Happy Pesach to all,

Eden Joachim
Pomona, New York
Skolyszyn Archives Coordinator
JRI-Poland
esjoachim@optonline.net


"Adopt" a Lublin Town for Pesach! Help Get the Data On-line! #poland

RobinnM@...
 

Dear Friends:

There are many Lublin area projects which have very few known researchers
and lots of available data. As a result, it has been relatively difficult
to raise money for the indexing projects >from those towns. Below is a list
of the Lublin towns which still have fundraising goals to meet, and the
amount left to raise.

With Pesach coming, it seemed like a good time to say... Please consider
supporting one or more of these projects in remembrance of our exodus >from
Mitzrayim and to help preserve the memory of our ancestors. Some of these
people were denied surviving grandchildren and so we can be their
grandchildren. We can preserve their names. Let's adopt them! (You may
also find pearls of information on your own family >from the data of a
nearby town. Write me and ask me to do a surname search!)

Making a donation of any size tothese projects is greatly appreciated, and
a gift at the "qualifying contribution" or higher will make the donor
eligible to obtain a copy of the EXCEL spreadsheet index for personal use.

If you're willing to contribute 2/3 of the "to go" amount on any of
these projects, I have an anonymous donor who will contribute the remaining
1/3 on that project, so we can get this data on-line already! This matching
challenge is good through the end of April. In the cases of Belzyce, there
is another anonymous donor who is willing to pay 1/2, so please make your
donation today!

Please don't wait. Adopt a town for Pesach!

Baranow: $200 left to raise, qualifying contribution $50
Belzyce: $255 to go, QC: $36
Biskupice $550 to go, QC: $100
Bychawa: $839 to go, QC: $100
Chodel: $200 to go, QC: $100
Glusk: $200 to go, QC: $50
Janowiec: $265 to go, QC: $100
Jeziorzany: $264 to go, QC: $100
Josefow nad Wisla: $775 to go: QC: $100
Kock: $825 to go: QC: $100
Konskowola: $510 to go, QC: $100
Kurow: $400 to go, QC: $100
Leczna: $1700 to go, QC: $100
Lomazy: $750 to go, QC: $100
Opole Lubelski: $800 to go, QC: $100
Piszczac: $750 to go, QC: $100
Siedliszcze: $300 to go, QC: $100
Swierze: $380 to go, QC: $100
Wawolnica: $230 to go, QC: $80
Wisznice: $340 to go, QC: $85
Wlodawa: $105 to go, QC: $80
Wohyn: $380 to go, QC: $100
Wojslawice: $700 to go, QC: $100

Contributions to "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland" may be made by
check, bank draft, money order, or credit card. The web site for the
credit card contribution form is www.jri-poland.org/visa.htm

Canadian contributors: see special instructions at
http://www.jri-poland.org/canadianform.htm

Other contributors: please send your contributions to:

Jewish Records Indexing-Poland, Inc.
c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer
5607 Greenleaf Road
Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

Tel: 1-301-341-1261
Fax: 1-810-592-1768 (24 hours)
E-Mail: ssalo@capaccess.org

Credit card contributions may also be telephoned to Sheila Salo.
Mark your contribution with the name of the town whose project you'd
like to support.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S. non-profit
501(c)(3) organization. Contributions to JRI-Poland are tax-deductible
in the U.S. and Canada to the extent permitted by law.

Very best wishes,

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
Lublin Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

RobinnM@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland "Adopt" a Lublin Town for Pesach! Help Get the Data On-line! #poland

RobinnM@...
 

Dear Friends:

There are many Lublin area projects which have very few known researchers
and lots of available data. As a result, it has been relatively difficult
to raise money for the indexing projects >from those towns. Below is a list
of the Lublin towns which still have fundraising goals to meet, and the
amount left to raise.

With Pesach coming, it seemed like a good time to say... Please consider
supporting one or more of these projects in remembrance of our exodus >from
Mitzrayim and to help preserve the memory of our ancestors. Some of these
people were denied surviving grandchildren and so we can be their
grandchildren. We can preserve their names. Let's adopt them! (You may
also find pearls of information on your own family >from the data of a
nearby town. Write me and ask me to do a surname search!)

Making a donation of any size tothese projects is greatly appreciated, and
a gift at the "qualifying contribution" or higher will make the donor
eligible to obtain a copy of the EXCEL spreadsheet index for personal use.

If you're willing to contribute 2/3 of the "to go" amount on any of
these projects, I have an anonymous donor who will contribute the remaining
1/3 on that project, so we can get this data on-line already! This matching
challenge is good through the end of April. In the cases of Belzyce, there
is another anonymous donor who is willing to pay 1/2, so please make your
donation today!

Please don't wait. Adopt a town for Pesach!

Baranow: $200 left to raise, qualifying contribution $50
Belzyce: $255 to go, QC: $36
Biskupice $550 to go, QC: $100
Bychawa: $839 to go, QC: $100
Chodel: $200 to go, QC: $100
Glusk: $200 to go, QC: $50
Janowiec: $265 to go, QC: $100
Jeziorzany: $264 to go, QC: $100
Josefow nad Wisla: $775 to go: QC: $100
Kock: $825 to go: QC: $100
Konskowola: $510 to go, QC: $100
Kurow: $400 to go, QC: $100
Leczna: $1700 to go, QC: $100
Lomazy: $750 to go, QC: $100
Opole Lubelski: $800 to go, QC: $100
Piszczac: $750 to go, QC: $100
Siedliszcze: $300 to go, QC: $100
Swierze: $380 to go, QC: $100
Wawolnica: $230 to go, QC: $80
Wisznice: $340 to go, QC: $85
Wlodawa: $105 to go, QC: $80
Wohyn: $380 to go, QC: $100
Wojslawice: $700 to go, QC: $100

Contributions to "Jewish Records Indexing - Poland" may be made by
check, bank draft, money order, or credit card. The web site for the
credit card contribution form is www.jri-poland.org/visa.htm

Canadian contributors: see special instructions at
http://www.jri-poland.org/canadianform.htm

Other contributors: please send your contributions to:

Jewish Records Indexing-Poland, Inc.
c/o Sheila Salo, Treasurer
5607 Greenleaf Road
Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

Tel: 1-301-341-1261
Fax: 1-810-592-1768 (24 hours)
E-Mail: ssalo@capaccess.org

Credit card contributions may also be telephoned to Sheila Salo.
Mark your contribution with the name of the town whose project you'd
like to support.

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. is an independent U.S. non-profit
501(c)(3) organization. Contributions to JRI-Poland are tax-deductible
in the U.S. and Canada to the extent permitted by law.

Very best wishes,

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
Lublin Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

RobinnM@aol.com


Dr Freud Will See You Now Mr Hitler #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have just returned >from Vienna where on my last full day I visited the Freud
Museum, Berggasse, currently exhibiting a series of amusing cartoons >from the
New Yorker based on the famous couch: http://www.freud-museum.at/e/

To greet my return home, I am just listening to a play which many of you might
find interesting: You will be able to listen to it till next Saturday April 7th
on *BBC Radio Four Listen again*. It is not a great play in terms of drama, but
we are left with the tantalising thoughts: "What if ... "

"Dr Freud Will See You Now Mr Hitler" by Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran.
When Adolf Hitler was six, he suffered >from recurring nightmares so his village
doctor recommended a child psychologist in Vienna - but Hitler's father would
not hear of it. We hear in the play that Hitler was physically abused by his
father who beat him excessively. His mother was unable to stop the beatings.
The recommended psychologist was Sigmund Freud. If Hitler really had gone to
therapy in the Berggasse - would history really have turned out quite
differently? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/saturday_play.shtml

In context with this play, I read this book review:
http://www.thestar.com/article/175638

Celia Male {U.K.}


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Dr Freud Will See You Now Mr Hitler #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have just returned >from Vienna where on my last full day I visited the Freud
Museum, Berggasse, currently exhibiting a series of amusing cartoons >from the
New Yorker based on the famous couch: http://www.freud-museum.at/e/

To greet my return home, I am just listening to a play which many of you might
find interesting: You will be able to listen to it till next Saturday April 7th
on *BBC Radio Four Listen again*. It is not a great play in terms of drama, but
we are left with the tantalising thoughts: "What if ... "

"Dr Freud Will See You Now Mr Hitler" by Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran.
When Adolf Hitler was six, he suffered >from recurring nightmares so his village
doctor recommended a child psychologist in Vienna - but Hitler's father would
not hear of it. We hear in the play that Hitler was physically abused by his
father who beat him excessively. His mother was unable to stop the beatings.
The recommended psychologist was Sigmund Freud. If Hitler really had gone to
therapy in the Berggasse - would history really have turned out quite
differently? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/saturday_play.shtml

In context with this play, I read this book review:
http://www.thestar.com/article/175638

Celia Male {U.K.}


Re: Was Louis (Mortka/Max LEWKOWICZ) MARKS a Massachusetts (USA) Senator? #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

Thanks so much to the many fellow genealogists who responded to me privately
with suggestions about how I could find out more information about Louis
MARKS. I appreciate all of the messages I received privately >from
researchers who came up with great ideas for extending my research, as well
as doing research themselves into databases that I didn't have access to. I
am overwhelmed by the generosity of members of this listserve.

I have learned a lot more about Louis MARKS, his wife Sarah GOLDSTEIN, his
stepson Simon HARRIS/MARKS, his daughters Lillian MARKS FORMAN and Bessie
MARKS MARCUS ALTMAN and their families. I still have much to learn. The
puzzle of Louis' political activity remains, however, but I have been given
some suggestions for new approaches to follow with the Massachusetts
Archives, the Boston Public Library and the Massachusetts State Library,
which I intend to follow-up on after Pesach.

Thanks as well to Larry Kestenbaum, a researchers who responded on this
Listserve and is creator/webmaster of Political Graveyard, a wonderful
resources about politicians and political actors in the United States.
Larry, I understand how difficult it must be to pull together information
systematically for many different areas of political activity over large
periods of time. We certainly have similar issues in Canada. I am
encouraged by your belief that despite the fact that Louis MARKS doesn't
currently show up in your listings, he still could have been a Massachusetts
state senator. In fact, a JewishGenner did find a reference to a "Lewis
Marks" on the Political Graveyard site who ran for governor of Massachusetts
in 1926. It is possible that this could have been my cousin. Only further
research will tell if that is the source of the family story or if Louis
really did hold a political post for a period of time. I will follow-up on
your suggestion to contact the Massachusetts State Library in Boston; that
is a source I wasn't even aware of. If I learn anything useful I will let
you know so you can add it to your list.

Thanks again to everyone who responded for their excellent suggestions, hard
information, camaraderie and kindness. Best wishes to all for a good
Pesach.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Ottawa, ON, Canada
waltman@ca.inter.net


Re: pseudonyms in ukraine? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Michael Ollove" wrote

I have unearthed a passport >from a grandfather who left the Ukraine in
1911. A Russian translator pointed out that the name my grandfather
used was not "Jewish" but identifiably Slavic. (For example, "Mordko"
for a first name rather than what my father says was his actual name,
"Mordechai.") My question is if it's known that Jews commonly tried to
pass as Ukrainian (or Russian) in that era and why? For instance, was
leaving the Ukraine harder if one was identified as Jewish. On the
other hand, is it possible that Ukrainian officials would "slavicize"
a Jewish name, similar to what they did at Ellis Island?
I believe that I have already have been responding to this matter, perhaps
it wasn't on this forum.

First of all, it was not an Ukarinian practice, but a common procedure
through all the Russian Empire, including Russian Poland, Lithuania and
all other lands within.

Jews were not allow to use famale or male names that were included in
Russian Orthodox Church Hall of Saints. In addition, all names menttion in
the "Old Testament" have been also added to the forbidden list of names:

Those male names are included, but not limited to: Adam, Abraham (Abram),
Gideon, David, Zeb(v)ulon, Joseph, Juda (Yehuda) (!), Jeshayahu, Isak (Izak,
Isaak), Israel !), Lazar, Leon, Emanuel, Moses (Moisey), Nahum (Naum),
Shimon, Uziel, Uriel.

Situation was not different with the female names:

Forbidden was use of names: Anna (Chana), Eva, Zlata, Leah, Miriam, Rachel,
Rebecca, Faina, Shoshana.

For this reason new names have been 'invented' for our ancestors to replace
the "forbidden" one, like Mordko, Movsha, Itsko (Icek, Itzig) and so on.

Here we go, folks.

Happy Pesach to all Genners,


Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Was Louis (Mortka/Max LEWKOWICZ) MARKS a Massachusetts (USA) Senator? #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

Thanks so much to the many fellow genealogists who responded to me privately
with suggestions about how I could find out more information about Louis
MARKS. I appreciate all of the messages I received privately >from
researchers who came up with great ideas for extending my research, as well
as doing research themselves into databases that I didn't have access to. I
am overwhelmed by the generosity of members of this listserve.

I have learned a lot more about Louis MARKS, his wife Sarah GOLDSTEIN, his
stepson Simon HARRIS/MARKS, his daughters Lillian MARKS FORMAN and Bessie
MARKS MARCUS ALTMAN and their families. I still have much to learn. The
puzzle of Louis' political activity remains, however, but I have been given
some suggestions for new approaches to follow with the Massachusetts
Archives, the Boston Public Library and the Massachusetts State Library,
which I intend to follow-up on after Pesach.

Thanks as well to Larry Kestenbaum, a researchers who responded on this
Listserve and is creator/webmaster of Political Graveyard, a wonderful
resources about politicians and political actors in the United States.
Larry, I understand how difficult it must be to pull together information
systematically for many different areas of political activity over large
periods of time. We certainly have similar issues in Canada. I am
encouraged by your belief that despite the fact that Louis MARKS doesn't
currently show up in your listings, he still could have been a Massachusetts
state senator. In fact, a JewishGenner did find a reference to a "Lewis
Marks" on the Political Graveyard site who ran for governor of Massachusetts
in 1926. It is possible that this could have been my cousin. Only further
research will tell if that is the source of the family story or if Louis
really did hold a political post for a period of time. I will follow-up on
your suggestion to contact the Massachusetts State Library in Boston; that
is a source I wasn't even aware of. If I learn anything useful I will let
you know so you can add it to your list.

Thanks again to everyone who responded for their excellent suggestions, hard
information, camaraderie and kindness. Best wishes to all for a good
Pesach.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Ottawa, ON, Canada
waltman@ca.inter.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: pseudonyms in ukraine? #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Michael Ollove" wrote

I have unearthed a passport >from a grandfather who left the Ukraine in
1911. A Russian translator pointed out that the name my grandfather
used was not "Jewish" but identifiably Slavic. (For example, "Mordko"
for a first name rather than what my father says was his actual name,
"Mordechai.") My question is if it's known that Jews commonly tried to
pass as Ukrainian (or Russian) in that era and why? For instance, was
leaving the Ukraine harder if one was identified as Jewish. On the
other hand, is it possible that Ukrainian officials would "slavicize"
a Jewish name, similar to what they did at Ellis Island?
I believe that I have already have been responding to this matter, perhaps
it wasn't on this forum.

First of all, it was not an Ukarinian practice, but a common procedure
through all the Russian Empire, including Russian Poland, Lithuania and
all other lands within.

Jews were not allow to use famale or male names that were included in
Russian Orthodox Church Hall of Saints. In addition, all names menttion in
the "Old Testament" have been also added to the forbidden list of names:

Those male names are included, but not limited to: Adam, Abraham (Abram),
Gideon, David, Zeb(v)ulon, Joseph, Juda (Yehuda) (!), Jeshayahu, Isak (Izak,
Isaak), Israel !), Lazar, Leon, Emanuel, Moses (Moisey), Nahum (Naum),
Shimon, Uziel, Uriel.

Situation was not different with the female names:

Forbidden was use of names: Anna (Chana), Eva, Zlata, Leah, Miriam, Rachel,
Rebecca, Faina, Shoshana.

For this reason new names have been 'invented' for our ancestors to replace
the "forbidden" one, like Mordko, Movsha, Itsko (Icek, Itzig) and so on.

Here we go, folks.

Happy Pesach to all Genners,


Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Canada


"Charlotte, A Holocaust Memoir: Remembering Theresienstadt, As Shared with Robert A Warren" #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

The new, free e-book "Charlotte, A Holocaust Memoir: Remembering
Theresienstadt, As Shared with Robert A Warren," is the first-person
story of Charlotte Guthmann Opfermann, a survivor who was at
Theresienstadt for twenty-three months. A description of the e-book
and instructions for downloading it are at
http://www.h-net.org/announce/show.cgi?ID=156096 .

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Charlotte, A Holocaust Memoir: Remembering Theresienstadt, As Shared with Robert A Warren" #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

The new, free e-book "Charlotte, A Holocaust Memoir: Remembering
Theresienstadt, As Shared with Robert A Warren," is the first-person
story of Charlotte Guthmann Opfermann, a survivor who was at
Theresienstadt for twenty-three months. A description of the e-book
and instructions for downloading it are at
http://www.h-net.org/announce/show.cgi?ID=156096 .

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY


Passover and Genealogy #general

Matt Friedman
 

Hi Folks,

Passover presents Jewish genealogists with a great
opportunity to research family customs and traditions
that can provide clues to our past. In 1990 a major
survey of the US Jewish population revealed that
Passover Seder was the single most observed Jewish
event of the year, even more than the High Holidays!
There are many reasons for this, but among them is a
deep connection to our families and our past.
Passover is like the obvious clue because we "do
the Seder" every year. I suggest that you inventory
as many of the customs and rituals that you practice
now and those that you remember >from your youth. If
you have older relatives be sure and ask them too.
While many elements of the Seder are the same there
are many differences as well. For example Ashkenazic
Jews tend to make Charoset >from apples, nuts and wine
while Sephardic Jews will use dates in the mixture.
(It tastes great!) How does your family handle the
Afikoman (hidden matzah)? Does the leader barter for
its return or is there a predetermined prize? Do you
sit with pillows or cushions? Do you sit at the table
or on the floor? Do you have backpacks and walking
sticks by your side? These are all clues!
Another great source is ethnomusicology. I had a
flash of insight recently on this topic. While
visiting the website of the sound archives of the
Jewish National Archives in Israel:
( http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/music/passover/ )
I came across a sampling of music clips for the song
"Echad MiYode'ah?" (Who knows One?) Much to my
surprise I found that the Hungarian version of this
song is the one that our family has sung for years. I
had never heard it anywhere else before. We do know
the family lived in the Horodenka area area before the
lucky few came to the US. This musical hint gives a
clue as to a possible migration pattern. I haven't
found anything beyond that, but in genealogy a clue is
a clue. Perhaps your old family tune is also on this
website.
A Happy passover to All.

Matt Friedman
FRIEDMAN, MANN, Horodenka, Yasinov-Polny
SPIEGEL, Tuleva, Snyatyn
Raczki


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Passover and Genealogy #general

Matt Friedman
 

Hi Folks,

Passover presents Jewish genealogists with a great
opportunity to research family customs and traditions
that can provide clues to our past. In 1990 a major
survey of the US Jewish population revealed that
Passover Seder was the single most observed Jewish
event of the year, even more than the High Holidays!
There are many reasons for this, but among them is a
deep connection to our families and our past.
Passover is like the obvious clue because we "do
the Seder" every year. I suggest that you inventory
as many of the customs and rituals that you practice
now and those that you remember >from your youth. If
you have older relatives be sure and ask them too.
While many elements of the Seder are the same there
are many differences as well. For example Ashkenazic
Jews tend to make Charoset >from apples, nuts and wine
while Sephardic Jews will use dates in the mixture.
(It tastes great!) How does your family handle the
Afikoman (hidden matzah)? Does the leader barter for
its return or is there a predetermined prize? Do you
sit with pillows or cushions? Do you sit at the table
or on the floor? Do you have backpacks and walking
sticks by your side? These are all clues!
Another great source is ethnomusicology. I had a
flash of insight recently on this topic. While
visiting the website of the sound archives of the
Jewish National Archives in Israel:
( http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/music/passover/ )
I came across a sampling of music clips for the song
"Echad MiYode'ah?" (Who knows One?) Much to my
surprise I found that the Hungarian version of this
song is the one that our family has sung for years. I
had never heard it anywhere else before. We do know
the family lived in the Horodenka area area before the
lucky few came to the US. This musical hint gives a
clue as to a possible migration pattern. I haven't
found anything beyond that, but in genealogy a clue is
a clue. Perhaps your old family tune is also on this
website.
A Happy passover to All.

Matt Friedman
FRIEDMAN, MANN, Horodenka, Yasinov-Polny
SPIEGEL, Tuleva, Snyatyn
Raczki


Re: Surname: HORODENKA #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This is one of those rare occasions when I have to differ w. my
esteemed colleague Tom Venetianer. Horodenka was in Galicia, which
was part of the Austro-Hungarian dual monarchy. It was in a part of
Galicia that was very close to Hungary but, according to all of my
resources, this area was not part of Hungary before 1919. Go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/images/Hungary.jpg to see a map of
pre-Trianon Hungary.

While it's certainly possible that the Horodenka family may have
migrated into Hungary, this is not a typically Hungarian name.
Christine may have better luck finding her relative if she contacts
the Ukraine SIG or Gesher Galicia.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)
SIMKO/Kosice

On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:04 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:



Subject: *re: HORODENKA
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:11:34 -0300
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Christine,

According to Wikipedia, Horodenka is a town located in the Ivano-
Frankivsk=
Oblast, in western Ukraine. It is the administrative center of the=
Horodenkivsky Raion (district), and is located at around
48=B040'3"N,=
25=B030'1"E. (Mapquest allows you to enter these coordinates and
find the=
place on a map).

These pages offer more details:
<http://encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkPath=3Dpages\H\O
\Horodenka=
=2Ehtm>
<http://www.kresy.co.uk/horodenka.html>
<http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/6/Horodenka.html>
<http://www.cousinconnect.com/p/a/0/s/HORODENKA>

My guess is that this place was somewhere in the Karpatujalja or Pod
Karpatska Rus region which until 1919 belonged to the Hungarian
Kingdom and=
then to Czechoslovakia. >from 1945 on it became again part of Ukraine.

Therefore, your family name is a toponymic.

Good luck
Tom

At 00:04 -0600 28.03.2007, chorodenka@cogeco.ca wrote:
Subject: Surname: HORODENKA
From: chorodenka@cogeco.ca
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:33:19 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Would someone please give me information re surname Horodenka? I
have allot=
on the town but I can not find him. Michael
was born in Hungary about 1915. Anything would be appreciated.
Christine Horodenka
Ontario, Canada

--
=2E..........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Surname: HORODENKA #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This is one of those rare occasions when I have to differ w. my
esteemed colleague Tom Venetianer. Horodenka was in Galicia, which
was part of the Austro-Hungarian dual monarchy. It was in a part of
Galicia that was very close to Hungary but, according to all of my
resources, this area was not part of Hungary before 1919. Go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/images/Hungary.jpg to see a map of
pre-Trianon Hungary.

While it's certainly possible that the Horodenka family may have
migrated into Hungary, this is not a typically Hungarian name.
Christine may have better luck finding her relative if she contacts
the Ukraine SIG or Gesher Galicia.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)
SIMKO/Kosice

On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:04 PM, H-SIG digest wrote:



Subject: *re: HORODENKA
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:11:34 -0300
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Christine,

According to Wikipedia, Horodenka is a town located in the Ivano-
Frankivsk=
Oblast, in western Ukraine. It is the administrative center of the=
Horodenkivsky Raion (district), and is located at around
48=B040'3"N,=
25=B030'1"E. (Mapquest allows you to enter these coordinates and
find the=
place on a map).

These pages offer more details:
<http://encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkPath=3Dpages\H\O
\Horodenka=
=2Ehtm>
<http://www.kresy.co.uk/horodenka.html>
<http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/6/Horodenka.html>
<http://www.cousinconnect.com/p/a/0/s/HORODENKA>

My guess is that this place was somewhere in the Karpatujalja or Pod
Karpatska Rus region which until 1919 belonged to the Hungarian
Kingdom and=
then to Czechoslovakia. >from 1945 on it became again part of Ukraine.

Therefore, your family name is a toponymic.

Good luck
Tom

At 00:04 -0600 28.03.2007, chorodenka@cogeco.ca wrote:
Subject: Surname: HORODENKA
From: chorodenka@cogeco.ca
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:33:19 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Would someone please give me information re surname Horodenka? I
have allot=
on the town but I can not find him. Michael
was born in Hungary about 1915. Anything would be appreciated.
Christine Horodenka
Ontario, Canada

--
=2E..........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Galicia Goods Costs #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I am sure we have often heard >from our parents and grandparents or
other relatives on how difficult times were in their youth in Galicia.

I am preparing to do research on the costs of goods (food, clothing,
household items) in Galicia during the 19th and early 20th centuries
and compare that with the range of incomes for Jews during that time.
I would then like to contrast that situation with present day costs
and incomes in Western countries.

If you have any reliable stories, reports, etc. that would provide the
information I seek, please send it to me directly. If you have any
references to books or web sites with such information, please provide
that to me also.

Thank you,
Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galicia Goods Costs #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

I am sure we have often heard >from our parents and grandparents or
other relatives on how difficult times were in their youth in Galicia.

I am preparing to do research on the costs of goods (food, clothing,
household items) in Galicia during the 19th and early 20th centuries
and compare that with the range of incomes for Jews during that time.
I would then like to contrast that situation with present day costs
and incomes in Western countries.

If you have any reliable stories, reports, etc. that would provide the
information I seek, please send it to me directly. If you have any
references to books or web sites with such information, please provide
that to me also.

Thank you,
Alan Weiser
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD