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What's in a name? #galicia

Mary Greenfro <Greenfro@...>
 

Hi,

I just found my grandfather's (Samuel MORGENSTERN's) death record
where it states the his Hebrew name is Shmuel and his father's (my
great-grandfather's) Hebrew name was Naftali Hertz. My father's
Hebrew name was also Naftali Hertz.

Does this mean that because it is traditional for Jewish people not
to name for the living that my father was named for his grandfather,
and that my great grandfather had died before my father was born?

Would the name Hertz be a first name or surname? I have no evidence
that Hertz was ever a surname in my family. My MORGENSTERN
grandmother's maiden surname was PANZER.

Also, I found that a Naftali Hertz was a 17th century Rabbi and
sage. Could the name have been passed down in the family as being
related... or is it a common Hebrew name?

Thanks for any clues you might offer.

Sincerely,

Mary Greenfro
Greenfro@AOL.com





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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia What's in a name? #galicia

Mary Greenfro <Greenfro@...>
 

Hi,

I just found my grandfather's (Samuel MORGENSTERN's) death record
where it states the his Hebrew name is Shmuel and his father's (my
great-grandfather's) Hebrew name was Naftali Hertz. My father's
Hebrew name was also Naftali Hertz.

Does this mean that because it is traditional for Jewish people not
to name for the living that my father was named for his grandfather,
and that my great grandfather had died before my father was born?

Would the name Hertz be a first name or surname? I have no evidence
that Hertz was ever a surname in my family. My MORGENSTERN
grandmother's maiden surname was PANZER.

Also, I found that a Naftali Hertz was a 17th century Rabbi and
sage. Could the name have been passed down in the family as being
related... or is it a common Hebrew name?

Thanks for any clues you might offer.

Sincerely,

Mary Greenfro
Greenfro@AOL.com





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old Jewish cemetery in Sanok #galicia

Arek Komski <arek40@...>
 

Dear All,

In Polish publications talking about the old Jewish cemetery in
Sanok, authors are reiterating the date 1720 or nearing as a date of
its possible foundation. It is connected with king's privilege for
the town. I know, >from the latest letter written by one of my
correspondents, that the Sanok Yizkor Book talks - in article by
O. Pipe - that the Jewish community knew "another" history. Before
WWII there was a common opinion that it was founded in Middle Ages,
because then the first information about Jews in Sanok was written.
In 16th century Jews composed a local community in the town, so they
had to have their own cemetery. Pipe wrote that on the graves were
visible "signs" (?) informing that the cemetery is very old, older
even then since 1340. "Unfortunately - he wrote - we have no photos
of these mazevot." So, that's the question! Stone mazevot >from the
period before 16th-17th century are really rare and "appear" in the
most important towns and cities (e.g. Wroclaw). Was it possible they
were in Sanok? I think that they were rather wooden ones (wooden =
cheaper to buy). If they were wooden, would they outlast so many
ages to the start of 20th century, when Pipe and others could see
them? Maybe someone of you has more information reporting this
question? Maybe stories narrated by the relatives? Each and every
piece of information is important.

Please answer to my e-mail.

Arek Komski
arek40@wp.pl


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia old Jewish cemetery in Sanok #galicia

Arek Komski <arek40@...>
 

Dear All,

In Polish publications talking about the old Jewish cemetery in
Sanok, authors are reiterating the date 1720 or nearing as a date of
its possible foundation. It is connected with king's privilege for
the town. I know, >from the latest letter written by one of my
correspondents, that the Sanok Yizkor Book talks - in article by
O. Pipe - that the Jewish community knew "another" history. Before
WWII there was a common opinion that it was founded in Middle Ages,
because then the first information about Jews in Sanok was written.
In 16th century Jews composed a local community in the town, so they
had to have their own cemetery. Pipe wrote that on the graves were
visible "signs" (?) informing that the cemetery is very old, older
even then since 1340. "Unfortunately - he wrote - we have no photos
of these mazevot." So, that's the question! Stone mazevot >from the
period before 16th-17th century are really rare and "appear" in the
most important towns and cities (e.g. Wroclaw). Was it possible they
were in Sanok? I think that they were rather wooden ones (wooden =
cheaper to buy). If they were wooden, would they outlast so many
ages to the start of 20th century, when Pipe and others could see
them? Maybe someone of you has more information reporting this
question? Maybe stories narrated by the relatives? Each and every
piece of information is important.

Please answer to my e-mail.

Arek Komski
arek40@wp.pl


Re: Rebbes murdered in the Shoah #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2007.05.14, R' Gavriel Goldfeder <yorabbi@comcast.net> asked:

I am doing a project that requires research into rebbes who died in
the Holocaust and the books they wrote, and I have no idea where to
start. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
An excellent source is the seven volume "Eleh Ezkerah" edited by
Rabbi Dr. Yitskhak Levin, New York 1956. Rabbi Meir Wunders "Meorei
Galicia" also has much material.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rebbes murdered in the Shoah #rabbinic

Chaim freedman
 

On 2007.05.14, R' Gavriel Goldfeder <yorabbi@comcast.net> asked:

I am doing a project that requires research into rebbes who died in
the Holocaust and the books they wrote, and I have no idea where to
start. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
An excellent source is the seven volume "Eleh Ezkerah" edited by
Rabbi Dr. Yitskhak Levin, New York 1956. Rabbi Meir Wunders "Meorei
Galicia" also has much material.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


Tritsch new email address #austria-czech

Mark Tritsch
 

I've been rather out of contact for years - family came first. Sorry about
all the unreplied messages. >from now on, I hope I can devote an evening
every now and then to our jewish gen interests. My old, totally spam-ridden
mail account at uni-mainz is now definitively abandoned and closed, and I
can be reached at mark.tritsch@gmx.de although for public presentation I
have the sender address on this email (so far I've been able to protect my
main account >from trawlers, and I want to keep it that way). Greetings to
everybody, glad to see that so many of you are still active.

Mark Tritsch


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Tritsch new email address #austria-czech

Mark Tritsch
 

I've been rather out of contact for years - family came first. Sorry about
all the unreplied messages. >from now on, I hope I can devote an evening
every now and then to our jewish gen interests. My old, totally spam-ridden
mail account at uni-mainz is now definitively abandoned and closed, and I
can be reached at mark.tritsch@gmx.de although for public presentation I
have the sender address on this email (so far I've been able to protect my
main account >from trawlers, and I want to keep it that way). Greetings to
everybody, glad to see that so many of you are still active.

Mark Tritsch


Looking for gravestones in Plzen #austria-czech

Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
 

I am planning to go to Plzen in a couple of weeks to look for the
gravestones of my great-great grandparents, David and Sofie ABELES.
David Abeles was born in Waltsch in May 1809 and died in Koimice on 5.3.1911
at the age of 101. He was buried in Plzen on 7.3.1911. Sofie Abeles was
born in Zierau (Sioem) in 1814 and died in Koimice on 9.3.1911 at the age
of 97. She was buried in Plzen on 12.3.1911. As you can see, Sofie died
four days after David.

I would be grateful if any of you have any experience, contacts or
suggestions that you can share with me on how to find the cemetery in
which they are buried (apparently there are three in Plzen) and how best
to locate the stones. I have had luck going >from stone to stone in Dolni
Bolikov, but I fear Plzen is another matter.

Thank you.

Thomas Anninger
Cambridge, MA

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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Looking for gravestones in Plzen #austria-czech

Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
 

I am planning to go to Plzen in a couple of weeks to look for the
gravestones of my great-great grandparents, David and Sofie ABELES.
David Abeles was born in Waltsch in May 1809 and died in Koimice on 5.3.1911
at the age of 101. He was buried in Plzen on 7.3.1911. Sofie Abeles was
born in Zierau (Sioem) in 1814 and died in Koimice on 9.3.1911 at the age
of 97. She was buried in Plzen on 12.3.1911. As you can see, Sofie died
four days after David.

I would be grateful if any of you have any experience, contacts or
suggestions that you can share with me on how to find the cemetery in
which they are buried (apparently there are three in Plzen) and how best
to locate the stones. I have had luck going >from stone to stone in Dolni
Bolikov, but I fear Plzen is another matter.

Thank you.

Thomas Anninger
Cambridge, MA

MODERATOR NOTE: Specific recommendations of local researchers should be posted
privately, but other useful suggestions are welcome.


BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, and GRINBAUM of Piotrkow #lodz #poland

Elaine Farran
 

For those researching the names BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, or GRINBAUM of
Piotrkow, Poland, I inadvertently photocopied the marriage record of:

Mair Doba BLAJWAJS, 19, son of Szai and Tauba Dawidowicz CZORGOWSEW
to
Chana BLAJWAJS, 18, daughter of Fira Szlama and Bejla GRINBAUM.

It can be found on ViewMate as #9954 - Russian document. I will be
glad to mail the hard copy to you.

Please respond privately to the address below.

Elaine Farran
Long Beach NY
Researching
SZAMPANIER/CHAMPANIER/CHENCHINSKA(& variations)- Konskie, Piotrkow,Lodz
MIODOWICZ,PEYSACHOW, ELBINGER - Konskie and environs FRISCH/FRYSZ,
CHENCHINSKAYA (& variations) - Piotrkow, Lodz


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, and GRINBAUM of Piotrkow #lodz #poland

Elaine Farran
 

For those researching the names BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, or GRINBAUM of
Piotrkow, Poland, I inadvertently photocopied the marriage record of:

Mair Doba BLAJWAJS, 19, son of Szai and Tauba Dawidowicz CZORGOWSEW
to
Chana BLAJWAJS, 18, daughter of Fira Szlama and Bejla GRINBAUM.

It can be found on ViewMate as #9954 - Russian document. I will be
glad to mail the hard copy to you.

Please respond privately to the address below.

Elaine Farran
Long Beach NY
Researching
SZAMPANIER/CHAMPANIER/CHENCHINSKA(& variations)- Konskie, Piotrkow,Lodz
MIODOWICZ,PEYSACHOW, ELBINGER - Konskie and environs FRISCH/FRYSZ,
CHENCHINSKAYA (& variations) - Piotrkow, Lodz


BOYARSKY: Boston street c.1898 #general

SBSeales
 

I'd like to know if anyone can decipher the name of a Boston street
from an 1898 passenger manifest.
from the Ellis Island database, the link is as follows. The passengers
are Hate and Libe BOYARSKY. I'd also appreciate any guesses as to the
initials of the person they were going to.

http://tinyurl.com/2o422q

For the record, these ladies were >from Mosty and Tereshki in Grodno,
and were most certainly relatives of my grandmother. There were quite
a few of my grandmother's relatives in Boston by 1900, including my
grandmother, but none appear in the 1900 census. I've tried every
spelling imaginable. Some appear in a 1904 street business directory.

Thanks in advance,

Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA
researching:
BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida, also NYC
FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania, also New Jersey and Bronx, NY
ROSENTHAL/Odessa and Wengrow, Poland
ZELONY,ZELENY/Bershad and Odessa, Ukraine, Paris and Chicago
BLUSTEJN/Zareby Koscielne, Poland
RUDZINSKI (sp?)/Balta

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOYARSKY: Boston street c.1898 #general

SBSeales
 

I'd like to know if anyone can decipher the name of a Boston street
from an 1898 passenger manifest.
from the Ellis Island database, the link is as follows. The passengers
are Hate and Libe BOYARSKY. I'd also appreciate any guesses as to the
initials of the person they were going to.

http://tinyurl.com/2o422q

For the record, these ladies were >from Mosty and Tereshki in Grodno,
and were most certainly relatives of my grandmother. There were quite
a few of my grandmother's relatives in Boston by 1900, including my
grandmother, but none appear in the 1900 census. I've tried every
spelling imaginable. Some appear in a 1904 street business directory.

Thanks in advance,

Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA
researching:
BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida, also NYC
FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania, also New Jersey and Bronx, NY
ROSENTHAL/Odessa and Wengrow, Poland
ZELONY,ZELENY/Bershad and Odessa, Ukraine, Paris and Chicago
BLUSTEJN/Zareby Koscielne, Poland
RUDZINSKI (sp?)/Balta

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URL) is above. Apologies >from the Trainee Moderator on Duty.


Re: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Shalom Shaul,

The locations where you will find vital records >from Sobrance area
varies depending on the years and places you are researching.

The FHL has filmed 1848 Census records >from Szobrancz jaras. Most or
all of these records on FHL INTL Film 719826 have been transcribed by
H-SIG volunteers and are included in the All Hungary Database. I am
transcribing 56 pages of Jewish records for communities in the
western part of Szobrancz jaras that I found in the Hungarian State
Archives. These records are >from 1762-1865. Film # is A5583. Check
H-SIG archives or contact me off-list for additional info.

Some records >from mid-19th century to 1895 for communities in eastern
part of the district including communities now in Slovakia and the
Ukraine are in the Uzhorod archives. Some civil records >from 1895
may also be located in Sobrance or Krcava.

If you are looking for records after 1895, I would start by writing
to local or regional (Presov) archives.

According to letters I received in response to inquiries submitted to
Presov, some records may be in Satorjaujhely, Hungary. I have not
been able to confirm the accuracy of this information.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)
SIMKO/Kosice

Subject: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
From: pollinia@012.net.il
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:12:15 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1
Dear Genners,

Does anyone happen to know which archives hold personal records of
the Sobrance area in eastern Slovakia? I'd appreciate it if someone
can send me the address.

Thanks,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Shalom Shaul,

The locations where you will find vital records >from Sobrance area
varies depending on the years and places you are researching.

The FHL has filmed 1848 Census records >from Szobrancz jaras. Most or
all of these records on FHL INTL Film 719826 have been transcribed by
H-SIG volunteers and are included in the All Hungary Database. I am
transcribing 56 pages of Jewish records for communities in the
western part of Szobrancz jaras that I found in the Hungarian State
Archives. These records are >from 1762-1865. Film # is A5583. Check
H-SIG archives or contact me off-list for additional info.

Some records >from mid-19th century to 1895 for communities in eastern
part of the district including communities now in Slovakia and the
Ukraine are in the Uzhorod archives. Some civil records >from 1895
may also be located in Sobrance or Krcava.

If you are looking for records after 1895, I would start by writing
to local or regional (Presov) archives.

According to letters I received in response to inquiries submitted to
Presov, some records may be in Satorjaujhely, Hungary. I have not
been able to confirm the accuracy of this information.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov.
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)
SIMKO/Kosice

Subject: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
From: pollinia@012.net.il
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:12:15 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1
Dear Genners,

Does anyone happen to know which archives hold personal records of
the Sobrance area in eastern Slovakia? I'd appreciate it if someone
can send me the address.

Thanks,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


some old maps (East- and Westpr., Pom., Silesia...) #germany

Martin.Conitzer@t-online.de <Martin.Conitzer@...>
 

Hello all,

The university of Greifswald in Germany presents some very detailed
maps: so-called Messtischblatter (with a-Umlaut) of regions in East- and
Westprussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia ...:

http://geogreif.uni-greifswald.de/geogreif/geogreif-content/upload/mtbl

Best regards
Martin Conitzer, Wachtberg, Germany martin.conitzer@t-online.de

MODERATOR NOTE: Our website contains links to many historic maps at:
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German SIG #Germany some old maps (East- and Westpr., Pom., Silesia...) #germany

Martin.Conitzer@t-online.de <Martin.Conitzer@...>
 

Hello all,

The university of Greifswald in Germany presents some very detailed
maps: so-called Messtischblatter (with a-Umlaut) of regions in East- and
Westprussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia ...:

http://geogreif.uni-greifswald.de/geogreif/geogreif-content/upload/mtbl

Best regards
Martin Conitzer, Wachtberg, Germany martin.conitzer@t-online.de

MODERATOR NOTE: Our website contains links to many historic maps at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm#maps


correction Boston street link #general

SBSeales
 

I inadvertently left out part of the link to the passenger manifest
for BOYARSKY.

The entire link is:http://tinyurl.com/2o422q

I'm hoping someone can decipher the name of the street Hate and Libe
BOYARSKY were going to, and what the initials of their relative are.

Thanks!
Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen correction Boston street link #general

SBSeales
 

I inadvertently left out part of the link to the passenger manifest
for BOYARSKY.

The entire link is:http://tinyurl.com/2o422q

I'm hoping someone can decipher the name of the street Hate and Libe
BOYARSKY were going to, and what the initials of their relative are.

Thanks!
Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA