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What's in a name?
#galicia
Mary Greenfro <Greenfro@...>
Hi,
I just found my grandfather's (Samuel MORGENSTERN's) death record where it states the his Hebrew name is Shmuel and his father's (my great-grandfather's) Hebrew name was Naftali Hertz. My father's Hebrew name was also Naftali Hertz. Does this mean that because it is traditional for Jewish people not to name for the living that my father was named for his grandfather, and that my great grandfather had died before my father was born? Would the name Hertz be a first name or surname? I have no evidence that Hertz was ever a surname in my family. My MORGENSTERN grandmother's maiden surname was PANZER. Also, I found that a Naftali Hertz was a 17th century Rabbi and sage. Could the name have been passed down in the family as being related... or is it a common Hebrew name? Thanks for any clues you might offer. Sincerely, Mary Greenfro Greenfro@AOL.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia What's in a name?
#galicia
Mary Greenfro <Greenfro@...>
Hi,
I just found my grandfather's (Samuel MORGENSTERN's) death record where it states the his Hebrew name is Shmuel and his father's (my great-grandfather's) Hebrew name was Naftali Hertz. My father's Hebrew name was also Naftali Hertz. Does this mean that because it is traditional for Jewish people not to name for the living that my father was named for his grandfather, and that my great grandfather had died before my father was born? Would the name Hertz be a first name or surname? I have no evidence that Hertz was ever a surname in my family. My MORGENSTERN grandmother's maiden surname was PANZER. Also, I found that a Naftali Hertz was a 17th century Rabbi and sage. Could the name have been passed down in the family as being related... or is it a common Hebrew name? Thanks for any clues you might offer. Sincerely, Mary Greenfro Greenfro@AOL.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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old Jewish cemetery in Sanok
#galicia
Arek Komski <arek40@...>
Dear All,
In Polish publications talking about the old Jewish cemetery in Sanok, authors are reiterating the date 1720 or nearing as a date of its possible foundation. It is connected with king's privilege for the town. I know, >from the latest letter written by one of my correspondents, that the Sanok Yizkor Book talks - in article by O. Pipe - that the Jewish community knew "another" history. Before WWII there was a common opinion that it was founded in Middle Ages, because then the first information about Jews in Sanok was written. In 16th century Jews composed a local community in the town, so they had to have their own cemetery. Pipe wrote that on the graves were visible "signs" (?) informing that the cemetery is very old, older even then since 1340. "Unfortunately - he wrote - we have no photos of these mazevot." So, that's the question! Stone mazevot >from the period before 16th-17th century are really rare and "appear" in the most important towns and cities (e.g. Wroclaw). Was it possible they were in Sanok? I think that they were rather wooden ones (wooden = cheaper to buy). If they were wooden, would they outlast so many ages to the start of 20th century, when Pipe and others could see them? Maybe someone of you has more information reporting this question? Maybe stories narrated by the relatives? Each and every piece of information is important. Please answer to my e-mail. Arek Komski arek40@wp.pl
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia old Jewish cemetery in Sanok
#galicia
Arek Komski <arek40@...>
Dear All,
In Polish publications talking about the old Jewish cemetery in Sanok, authors are reiterating the date 1720 or nearing as a date of its possible foundation. It is connected with king's privilege for the town. I know, >from the latest letter written by one of my correspondents, that the Sanok Yizkor Book talks - in article by O. Pipe - that the Jewish community knew "another" history. Before WWII there was a common opinion that it was founded in Middle Ages, because then the first information about Jews in Sanok was written. In 16th century Jews composed a local community in the town, so they had to have their own cemetery. Pipe wrote that on the graves were visible "signs" (?) informing that the cemetery is very old, older even then since 1340. "Unfortunately - he wrote - we have no photos of these mazevot." So, that's the question! Stone mazevot >from the period before 16th-17th century are really rare and "appear" in the most important towns and cities (e.g. Wroclaw). Was it possible they were in Sanok? I think that they were rather wooden ones (wooden = cheaper to buy). If they were wooden, would they outlast so many ages to the start of 20th century, when Pipe and others could see them? Maybe someone of you has more information reporting this question? Maybe stories narrated by the relatives? Each and every piece of information is important. Please answer to my e-mail. Arek Komski arek40@wp.pl
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Re: Rebbes murdered in the Shoah
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2007.05.14, R' Gavriel Goldfeder <yorabbi@comcast.net> asked:
I am doing a project that requires research into rebbes who died inAn excellent source is the seven volume "Eleh Ezkerah" edited by Rabbi Dr. Yitskhak Levin, New York 1956. Rabbi Meir Wunders "Meorei Galicia" also has much material. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@zahav.net.il http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/
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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Rebbes murdered in the Shoah
#rabbinic
Chaim freedman
On 2007.05.14, R' Gavriel Goldfeder <yorabbi@comcast.net> asked:
I am doing a project that requires research into rebbes who died inAn excellent source is the seven volume "Eleh Ezkerah" edited by Rabbi Dr. Yitskhak Levin, New York 1956. Rabbi Meir Wunders "Meorei Galicia" also has much material. Chaim Freedman Petah Tikvah, Israel chaimjan@zahav.net.il http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/
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Tritsch new email address
#austria-czech
Mark Tritsch
I've been rather out of contact for years - family came first. Sorry about
all the unreplied messages. >from now on, I hope I can devote an evening every now and then to our jewish gen interests. My old, totally spam-ridden mail account at uni-mainz is now definitively abandoned and closed, and I can be reached at mark.tritsch@gmx.de although for public presentation I have the sender address on this email (so far I've been able to protect my main account >from trawlers, and I want to keep it that way). Greetings to everybody, glad to see that so many of you are still active. Mark Tritsch
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Tritsch new email address
#austria-czech
Mark Tritsch
I've been rather out of contact for years - family came first. Sorry about
all the unreplied messages. >from now on, I hope I can devote an evening every now and then to our jewish gen interests. My old, totally spam-ridden mail account at uni-mainz is now definitively abandoned and closed, and I can be reached at mark.tritsch@gmx.de although for public presentation I have the sender address on this email (so far I've been able to protect my main account >from trawlers, and I want to keep it that way). Greetings to everybody, glad to see that so many of you are still active. Mark Tritsch
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Looking for gravestones in Plzen
#austria-czech
Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
I am planning to go to Plzen in a couple of weeks to look for the
gravestones of my great-great grandparents, David and Sofie ABELES. David Abeles was born in Waltsch in May 1809 and died in Koimice on 5.3.1911 at the age of 101. He was buried in Plzen on 7.3.1911. Sofie Abeles was born in Zierau (Sioem) in 1814 and died in Koimice on 9.3.1911 at the age of 97. She was buried in Plzen on 12.3.1911. As you can see, Sofie died four days after David. I would be grateful if any of you have any experience, contacts or suggestions that you can share with me on how to find the cemetery in which they are buried (apparently there are three in Plzen) and how best to locate the stones. I have had luck going >from stone to stone in Dolni Bolikov, but I fear Plzen is another matter. Thank you. Thomas Anninger Cambridge, MA MODERATOR NOTE: Specific recommendations of local researchers should be posted privately, but other useful suggestions are welcome.
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Looking for gravestones in Plzen
#austria-czech
Thomas Anninger <tanninger@...>
I am planning to go to Plzen in a couple of weeks to look for the
gravestones of my great-great grandparents, David and Sofie ABELES. David Abeles was born in Waltsch in May 1809 and died in Koimice on 5.3.1911 at the age of 101. He was buried in Plzen on 7.3.1911. Sofie Abeles was born in Zierau (Sioem) in 1814 and died in Koimice on 9.3.1911 at the age of 97. She was buried in Plzen on 12.3.1911. As you can see, Sofie died four days after David. I would be grateful if any of you have any experience, contacts or suggestions that you can share with me on how to find the cemetery in which they are buried (apparently there are three in Plzen) and how best to locate the stones. I have had luck going >from stone to stone in Dolni Bolikov, but I fear Plzen is another matter. Thank you. Thomas Anninger Cambridge, MA MODERATOR NOTE: Specific recommendations of local researchers should be posted privately, but other useful suggestions are welcome.
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Elaine Farran
For those researching the names BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, or GRINBAUM of
Piotrkow, Poland, I inadvertently photocopied the marriage record of: Mair Doba BLAJWAJS, 19, son of Szai and Tauba Dawidowicz CZORGOWSEW to Chana BLAJWAJS, 18, daughter of Fira Szlama and Bejla GRINBAUM. It can be found on ViewMate as #9954 - Russian document. I will be glad to mail the hard copy to you. Please respond privately to the address below. Elaine Farran Long Beach NY Researching SZAMPANIER/CHAMPANIER/CHENCHINSKA(& variations)- Konskie, Piotrkow,Lodz MIODOWICZ,PEYSACHOW, ELBINGER - Konskie and environs FRISCH/FRYSZ, CHENCHINSKAYA (& variations) - Piotrkow, Lodz
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Elaine Farran
For those researching the names BLAJWAJS, CZORGOWSEW, or GRINBAUM of
Piotrkow, Poland, I inadvertently photocopied the marriage record of: Mair Doba BLAJWAJS, 19, son of Szai and Tauba Dawidowicz CZORGOWSEW to Chana BLAJWAJS, 18, daughter of Fira Szlama and Bejla GRINBAUM. It can be found on ViewMate as #9954 - Russian document. I will be glad to mail the hard copy to you. Please respond privately to the address below. Elaine Farran Long Beach NY Researching SZAMPANIER/CHAMPANIER/CHENCHINSKA(& variations)- Konskie, Piotrkow,Lodz MIODOWICZ,PEYSACHOW, ELBINGER - Konskie and environs FRISCH/FRYSZ, CHENCHINSKAYA (& variations) - Piotrkow, Lodz
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BOYARSKY: Boston street c.1898
#general
SBSeales
I'd like to know if anyone can decipher the name of a Boston street
from an 1898 passenger manifest. are Hate and Libe BOYARSKY. I'd also appreciate any guesses as to thefrom the Ellis Island database, the link is as follows. The passengers initials of the person they were going to. http://tinyurl.com/2o422q For the record, these ladies were >from Mosty and Tereshki in Grodno, and were most certainly relatives of my grandmother. There were quite a few of my grandmother's relatives in Boston by 1900, including my grandmother, but none appear in the 1900 census. I've tried every spelling imaginable. Some appear in a 1904 street business directory. Thanks in advance, Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA researching: BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida, also NYC FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania, also New Jersey and Bronx, NY ROSENTHAL/Odessa and Wengrow, Poland ZELONY,ZELENY/Bershad and Odessa, Ukraine, Paris and Chicago BLUSTEJN/Zareby Koscielne, Poland RUDZINSKI (sp?)/Balta MODERATOR NOTE: Other message sent in error. The correct message and link (Tiny URL) is above. Apologies >from the Trainee Moderator on Duty.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOYARSKY: Boston street c.1898
#general
SBSeales
I'd like to know if anyone can decipher the name of a Boston street
from an 1898 passenger manifest. are Hate and Libe BOYARSKY. I'd also appreciate any guesses as to thefrom the Ellis Island database, the link is as follows. The passengers initials of the person they were going to. http://tinyurl.com/2o422q For the record, these ladies were >from Mosty and Tereshki in Grodno, and were most certainly relatives of my grandmother. There were quite a few of my grandmother's relatives in Boston by 1900, including my grandmother, but none appear in the 1900 census. I've tried every spelling imaginable. Some appear in a 1904 street business directory. Thanks in advance, Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA researching: BOYARSKY/Grodno and Lida, also NYC FREEDMAN/Siluva, Lithuania, also New Jersey and Bronx, NY ROSENTHAL/Odessa and Wengrow, Poland ZELONY,ZELENY/Bershad and Odessa, Ukraine, Paris and Chicago BLUSTEJN/Zareby Koscielne, Poland RUDZINSKI (sp?)/Balta MODERATOR NOTE: Other message sent in error. The correct message and link (Tiny URL) is above. Apologies >from the Trainee Moderator on Duty.
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Re: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
#hungary
Vivian Kahn
Shalom Shaul,
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The locations where you will find vital records >from Sobrance area varies depending on the years and places you are researching. The FHL has filmed 1848 Census records >from Szobrancz jaras. Most or all of these records on FHL INTL Film 719826 have been transcribed by H-SIG volunteers and are included in the All Hungary Database. I am transcribing 56 pages of Jewish records for communities in the western part of Szobrancz jaras that I found in the Hungarian State Archives. These records are >from 1762-1865. Film # is A5583. Check H-SIG archives or contact me off-list for additional info. Some records >from mid-19th century to 1895 for communities in eastern part of the district including communities now in Slovakia and the Ukraine are in the Uzhorod archives. Some civil records >from 1895 may also be located in Sobrance or Krcava. If you are looking for records after 1895, I would start by writing to local or regional (Presov) archives. According to letters I received in response to inquiries submitted to Presov, some records may be in Satorjaujhely, Hungary. I have not been able to confirm the accuracy of this information. Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA Researching families including: GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov. KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.) LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.) MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz, Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov (Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov. POLACSEK/Sobrance ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.) SIMKO/Kosice
Subject: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
#hungary
Vivian Kahn
Shalom Shaul,
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The locations where you will find vital records >from Sobrance area varies depending on the years and places you are researching. The FHL has filmed 1848 Census records >from Szobrancz jaras. Most or all of these records on FHL INTL Film 719826 have been transcribed by H-SIG volunteers and are included in the All Hungary Database. I am transcribing 56 pages of Jewish records for communities in the western part of Szobrancz jaras that I found in the Hungarian State Archives. These records are >from 1762-1865. Film # is A5583. Check H-SIG archives or contact me off-list for additional info. Some records >from mid-19th century to 1895 for communities in eastern part of the district including communities now in Slovakia and the Ukraine are in the Uzhorod archives. Some civil records >from 1895 may also be located in Sobrance or Krcava. If you are looking for records after 1895, I would start by writing to local or regional (Presov) archives. According to letters I received in response to inquiries submitted to Presov, some records may be in Satorjaujhely, Hungary. I have not been able to confirm the accuracy of this information. Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA Researching families including: GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Kosice, Humenne, Slov. KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.) LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.) MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz, Kosice (Kassa),Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov (Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov. POLACSEK/Sobrance ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod, Satoraljaujhely STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.) SIMKO/Kosice
Subject: Sobrance Archives in Slovakia
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some old maps (East- and Westpr., Pom., Silesia...)
#germany
Martin.Conitzer@t-online.de <Martin.Conitzer@...>
Hello all,
The university of Greifswald in Germany presents some very detailed maps: so-called Messtischblatter (with a-Umlaut) of regions in East- and Westprussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia ...: http://geogreif.uni-greifswald.de/geogreif/geogreif-content/upload/mtbl Best regards Martin Conitzer, Wachtberg, Germany martin.conitzer@t-online.de MODERATOR NOTE: Our website contains links to many historic maps at: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm#maps
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German SIG #Germany some old maps (East- and Westpr., Pom., Silesia...)
#germany
Martin.Conitzer@t-online.de <Martin.Conitzer@...>
Hello all,
The university of Greifswald in Germany presents some very detailed maps: so-called Messtischblatter (with a-Umlaut) of regions in East- and Westprussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia ...: http://geogreif.uni-greifswald.de/geogreif/geogreif-content/upload/mtbl Best regards Martin Conitzer, Wachtberg, Germany martin.conitzer@t-online.de MODERATOR NOTE: Our website contains links to many historic maps at: http://www.jewishgen.org/GerSIG/resources.htm#maps
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correction Boston street link
#general
SBSeales
I inadvertently left out part of the link to the passenger manifest
for BOYARSKY. The entire link is:http://tinyurl.com/2o422q I'm hoping someone can decipher the name of the street Hate and Libe BOYARSKY were going to, and what the initials of their relative are. Thanks! Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen correction Boston street link
#general
SBSeales
I inadvertently left out part of the link to the passenger manifest
for BOYARSKY. The entire link is:http://tinyurl.com/2o422q I'm hoping someone can decipher the name of the street Hate and Libe BOYARSKY were going to, and what the initials of their relative are. Thanks! Sue Seales, North Carolina, USA
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