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Re: Photo of a fountain #latvia

Christine Usdin <christineusd@...>
 

"Long live Chizhik-Pyzhik!!!

Beneath the Embankment of the Fontanka River, near the Summer Garden, a
statue of "Chizhik", which is a small bird called a siskin, was placed on a
special granite bracket on 17 November 1994 during the festival of humour
"Golden Ostap". The 5.1 inch high bird, created by sculptor Rezo Gabriadze
and architect Andrey Bitov, is sitting beneath the Embankment near the water
surface. The history of the monument dates back to the middle of 19th
century when the students of the juridical school on the Fontanka Embankment
were nicknamed "chizhiks" because of their yellow-green uniforms. The
students frequented the local pub, hence the song appeared: "Chizhik -
Pyzhik where were you? On Fontanka had a few. Had one vodka, then one more.
Now my head feels really sore:" The bird is believed to cure bad habits; one
is only supposed to pour a shot of alcohol into the river next to it. You
can also practice your marksmanship with a handful of coins. If the coin you
throw settles on the bracket you can be sure that your wish will be
fulfilled and your life will be OK. If the coin you throw falls into the
water you are going to have a problem. The little "drunken" bird causes
great problems for city authorities for it has been stolen seven times.
After its last disappearance sculptor Rezo Gabriadze created 12 bronze
copies of the bird to replace it immediately in case of future theft."

ChristineUsdin, France
christineusd@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucille Le Roux" <lucilleleroux@...>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:59:03 +0200

I am trying to find someone who could take a photo or perhaps has a photo
of the fountain at St Petersburg which has had the bird "a siskin" stolen
several times.
...snip...


Hitting a deadlock researching in Brasov-The FONYO family #romania

pollinia@...
 

Dear Genners,

A woman named Margit FONYO nee GRUNWALD lived in Brasov with her husband, till her death in 1980 at the age of 89. Margit had a sister, Illy or Ilona, who's last name is unknown to me, and had lived in Bucharest with her German husband and two children, one of them named Harry. These children should be around the age of 70 today, and are either still living in Romania or have immigrated to Germany. Unfortunately, the Jewish community in Bucharest wasn't much helpful, and neither does posting a photo of Harry and Margit's taken in 1973, on Viewmate.

Asking for your advice, would it be possible to obtain info >from the city hall in Brasov about who exactly reported her death to the authorities and evacuated her belongings after she passed away, as a possible clue to finding out the missing sister and her family? Any help would be most welcome.

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Translators needed for Arad, Romania census from 20-May-1942 #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

We have received copies of the Arad, Romania census
from 20-May-1942. We now need people to enter the
information on an Excel spreadsheet and people to
validate the spreadsheet. Most of the information is
typed, in Romanian and fairly easy to read.

Please contact me at robertw252@... if you are
interested in helping with this project.

Bob Wascou
ROM-SIG Research Coordinator


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Photo of a fountain #latvia

Christine Usdin <christineusd@...>
 

"Long live Chizhik-Pyzhik!!!

Beneath the Embankment of the Fontanka River, near the Summer Garden, a
statue of "Chizhik", which is a small bird called a siskin, was placed on a
special granite bracket on 17 November 1994 during the festival of humour
"Golden Ostap". The 5.1 inch high bird, created by sculptor Rezo Gabriadze
and architect Andrey Bitov, is sitting beneath the Embankment near the water
surface. The history of the monument dates back to the middle of 19th
century when the students of the juridical school on the Fontanka Embankment
were nicknamed "chizhiks" because of their yellow-green uniforms. The
students frequented the local pub, hence the song appeared: "Chizhik -
Pyzhik where were you? On Fontanka had a few. Had one vodka, then one more.
Now my head feels really sore:" The bird is believed to cure bad habits; one
is only supposed to pour a shot of alcohol into the river next to it. You
can also practice your marksmanship with a handful of coins. If the coin you
throw settles on the bracket you can be sure that your wish will be
fulfilled and your life will be OK. If the coin you throw falls into the
water you are going to have a problem. The little "drunken" bird causes
great problems for city authorities for it has been stolen seven times.
After its last disappearance sculptor Rezo Gabriadze created 12 bronze
copies of the bird to replace it immediately in case of future theft."

ChristineUsdin, France
christineusd@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucille Le Roux" <lucilleleroux@...>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:59:03 +0200

I am trying to find someone who could take a photo or perhaps has a photo
of the fountain at St Petersburg which has had the bird "a siskin" stolen
several times.
...snip...


Romania SIG #Romania Hitting a deadlock researching in Brasov-The FONYO family #romania

pollinia@...
 

Dear Genners,

A woman named Margit FONYO nee GRUNWALD lived in Brasov with her husband, till her death in 1980 at the age of 89. Margit had a sister, Illy or Ilona, who's last name is unknown to me, and had lived in Bucharest with her German husband and two children, one of them named Harry. These children should be around the age of 70 today, and are either still living in Romania or have immigrated to Germany. Unfortunately, the Jewish community in Bucharest wasn't much helpful, and neither does posting a photo of Harry and Margit's taken in 1973, on Viewmate.

Asking for your advice, would it be possible to obtain info >from the city hall in Brasov about who exactly reported her death to the authorities and evacuated her belongings after she passed away, as a possible clue to finding out the missing sister and her family? Any help would be most welcome.

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Translators needed for Arad, Romania census from 20-May-1942 #romania

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

We have received copies of the Arad, Romania census
from 20-May-1942. We now need people to enter the
information on an Excel spreadsheet and people to
validate the spreadsheet. Most of the information is
typed, in Romanian and fairly easy to read.

Please contact me at robertw252@... if you are
interested in helping with this project.

Bob Wascou
ROM-SIG Research Coordinator


Re: Marrying at Age 13 #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Lin Mor wrote:

Yes, young women did get married quite young! Both of
my maternal great grandmothers had early marriages, my
maternal grandmother's parents were 13 and 15 when
they married.
Dear Linda,

Their ability to do that would have depended on where they lived. Although my
mother's Anglo-Dutch Jewish ancestors were born in England already before 1800,
they and their descendants in the first half of the 19th century rarely married
before the bride had turned 18 -- and often the bridegrooms were quite a lot
older than the brides. This was in London. (And by the late 19th century, the
brides in my family were rarely under 21.) I imagine the situation would have
been similar among Jews in France or Germany.

So, which country were you speaking of, exactly? As these were your
greatgrandparents, it surely can't have been before 1850, and could be quite a
bit later than that. Most European countries by that time would not permit a
13-year old girl to marry.

But it's worth noting that Jewish law does in fact allow a girl of that age
to be handed over to her husband for cohabitation ( this assumes that they were
officially married earlier but she had remained, as Jewish law requires, in her
father's house until she reached 12 and a half years and one day.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Marrying at Age 13 #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Lin Mor wrote:

Yes, young women did get married quite young! Both of
my maternal great grandmothers had early marriages, my
maternal grandmother's parents were 13 and 15 when
they married.
Dear Linda,

Their ability to do that would have depended on where they lived. Although my
mother's Anglo-Dutch Jewish ancestors were born in England already before 1800,
they and their descendants in the first half of the 19th century rarely married
before the bride had turned 18 -- and often the bridegrooms were quite a lot
older than the brides. This was in London. (And by the late 19th century, the
brides in my family were rarely under 21.) I imagine the situation would have
been similar among Jews in France or Germany.

So, which country were you speaking of, exactly? As these were your
greatgrandparents, it surely can't have been before 1850, and could be quite a
bit later than that. Most European countries by that time would not permit a
13-year old girl to marry.

But it's worth noting that Jewish law does in fact allow a girl of that age
to be handed over to her husband for cohabitation ( this assumes that they were
officially married earlier but she had remained, as Jewish law requires, in her
father's house until she reached 12 and a half years and one day.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


Re: KATZ and COHEN #general

mel@...
 

<Anyone got any earlier dates then these? [i.e. use
<of the Katz surname before the 17th century]
<Malki Katz
<London

Here is an example of the use of the Katz surname in
the 15th century:

Akiva the elder Kohen-Zadik of Saloniki (whose family
was expelled >from Spain in 1492) was the father of
Yitzchok of Buda and Galanta, who was the father of
Akiva HaKohen (aka Akiva Katz) of Buda who died in
1496.

His son Gershon HaKohen (aka Gershon Katz) was the
father of Shimshon Katz (aka Shimshon HaKohen) of
Vienna, who was the father of Yitzchok Katz (aka
Yitzchok HaKohen) of Vienna and Nicholsburg, Moravia
(died 1624 in Prague). He was the husband of Vogele
Lowe, a daughter of Yehuda Loew ben Betzalel, the
MaHaRal of Prague.

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT,
VERBUKH/AVERBUKH >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev
guberniyas, Ukraine; ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ,
LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki
guberniya, Poland; GOLDBERG, MENDELSON, MISHURSKY from
Kovne guberniya, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: KATZ and COHEN #general

mel@...
 

<Anyone got any earlier dates then these? [i.e. use
<of the Katz surname before the 17th century]
<Malki Katz
<London

Here is an example of the use of the Katz surname in
the 15th century:

Akiva the elder Kohen-Zadik of Saloniki (whose family
was expelled >from Spain in 1492) was the father of
Yitzchok of Buda and Galanta, who was the father of
Akiva HaKohen (aka Akiva Katz) of Buda who died in
1496.

His son Gershon HaKohen (aka Gershon Katz) was the
father of Shimshon Katz (aka Shimshon HaKohen) of
Vienna, who was the father of Yitzchok Katz (aka
Yitzchok HaKohen) of Vienna and Nicholsburg, Moravia
(died 1624 in Prague). He was the husband of Vogele
Lowe, a daughter of Yehuda Loew ben Betzalel, the
MaHaRal of Prague.

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT,
VERBUKH/AVERBUKH >from Volhynia, Podolia and Kiev
guberniyas, Ukraine; ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ,
LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki
guberniya, Poland; GOLDBERG, MENDELSON, MISHURSKY from
Kovne guberniya, Lithuania


Hebrew translation of headstone VM 10355 #general

Marilyn Silva <marilynjps@...>
 

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who can read
Hebrew and translate my m-ggrandmother Ida
Kistenberg's headstone.
It is located at VM 10355
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.
Please respnd directly to me.
Thank you
Marilyn Silva
Glendale, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: the direct link is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10355


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew translation of headstone VM 10355 #general

Marilyn Silva <marilynjps@...>
 

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who can read
Hebrew and translate my m-ggrandmother Ida
Kistenberg's headstone.
It is located at VM 10355
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.
Please respnd directly to me.
Thank you
Marilyn Silva
Glendale, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: the direct link is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10355


Descendants of SCHWERIN #general

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

Hi Genners,

I am searching for descendants of SCHWERIN. The only thing I know about him
is that he was german and owned and run a pharmacy in Teheran
during the reign of Reza Schah Pahlavi. He is an uncle or great uncle of my
mother Susana SIMON (née PAUL) and I remember she was very proud saying
people rememberd him when she visited Teheran in the early 60ies. So please
contact me privately if you have some information about him.

Daniel Simon
Ludwigsburg Germany
info@...

Reseaching SIMON >from Mainz/Mannheim, PAUL >from Berlin, KIRSCH >from Berlin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of SCHWERIN #general

SiebenSachen - Daniel Simon
 

Hi Genners,

I am searching for descendants of SCHWERIN. The only thing I know about him
is that he was german and owned and run a pharmacy in Teheran
during the reign of Reza Schah Pahlavi. He is an uncle or great uncle of my
mother Susana SIMON (née PAUL) and I remember she was very proud saying
people rememberd him when she visited Teheran in the early 60ies. So please
contact me privately if you have some information about him.

Daniel Simon
Ludwigsburg Germany
info@...

Reseaching SIMON >from Mainz/Mannheim, PAUL >from Berlin, KIRSCH >from Berlin


Contradictory Dates on Documents #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

Update: I think I've found the Rudman manifest. The elder's name is right,
the name and address of their destination in the US is the same as one of
the witnesses on the naturalization papers, and the occupation of the elder
is the same as my grandfather's. However (isn't there always an "however"),
only my grandmother and my uncle appear (along with a couple of other
relatives I'm not sure of), leading me to believe my grandfather may have
come over separately....but in any event, the manifest is >from 1899 and
shows my uncle's age as 4 months but every other document I have regarding
him says he was born in 1897, which would have made him closer to 2 years in
1899. It also shows my grandmother as being 25 years old (which would be a
birth date in approx 1874) but every other document I have shows her birth
date in 1879.

Confusion reigns !!!!

"Jan Groshan" <jangro@...> wrote:

I am now *very* confused. I received a copy of my grandfather's
naturalization >from the U.S. Circuit Court in Boston >from November 1904.
According to the "petition", he was a minor when he came to the US in May
1892, having been born in July 1875. That would make him 17 when he came
over >from Russia. My grandmother was born in March 1879.

Names: Isaac BROWN, born approx. July 15, 1875; Rachel BROWN, born approx.
March 22, 1879; Joseph BROWN born in 1897.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Contradictory Dates on Documents #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

Update: I think I've found the Rudman manifest. The elder's name is right,
the name and address of their destination in the US is the same as one of
the witnesses on the naturalization papers, and the occupation of the elder
is the same as my grandfather's. However (isn't there always an "however"),
only my grandmother and my uncle appear (along with a couple of other
relatives I'm not sure of), leading me to believe my grandfather may have
come over separately....but in any event, the manifest is >from 1899 and
shows my uncle's age as 4 months but every other document I have regarding
him says he was born in 1897, which would have made him closer to 2 years in
1899. It also shows my grandmother as being 25 years old (which would be a
birth date in approx 1874) but every other document I have shows her birth
date in 1879.

Confusion reigns !!!!

"Jan Groshan" <jangro@...> wrote:

I am now *very* confused. I received a copy of my grandfather's
naturalization >from the U.S. Circuit Court in Boston >from November 1904.
According to the "petition", he was a minor when he came to the US in May
1892, having been born in July 1875. That would make him 17 when he came
over >from Russia. My grandmother was born in March 1879.

Names: Isaac BROWN, born approx. July 15, 1875; Rachel BROWN, born approx.
March 22, 1879; Joseph BROWN born in 1897.


Names and Acronyms #general

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

The recent discussion regarding names, acronyms and their derivation [8
August 2007, Bernet, Epstein, and others] reveals how seemingly innocuous
issues are potentially contentious. One's name, given by others, situates
us, and emerges as a most precious element in our identity. How excited some
of us become when we uncover our given name among our direct ancestors. And
our surname search is often motivated by the desire to preserve and keep
sacrosanct our family lineage. Acronyms amplify this sacral quest, attaching
meaning which refines and purifies the family heritage. For discussions
along this line, one ought to consult Richard Kalmin, "Genealogy and
Polemics in Rabbinic Literature of Late Antiquity," in HUCA LXVII, 1996:
77-94 relating to Palestinian and Babylonian rabbis and sages and the issue
of genealogical blemishes. But perhaps the last word comes >from the mouth of
Socrates who warns that "if a person goes on analyzing names into words
[include acronyms - PK], and inquir[es] also into the elements out of which
the words are formed, and keeps on always repeating this process. . .[s/he]
must at last give up the inquiry in despair." Cratylus 421 d-e.

Paul King
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Thanks Paul for your comprehensive summary,
members are asked to reply to Paul in private.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Names and Acronyms #general

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

The recent discussion regarding names, acronyms and their derivation [8
August 2007, Bernet, Epstein, and others] reveals how seemingly innocuous
issues are potentially contentious. One's name, given by others, situates
us, and emerges as a most precious element in our identity. How excited some
of us become when we uncover our given name among our direct ancestors. And
our surname search is often motivated by the desire to preserve and keep
sacrosanct our family lineage. Acronyms amplify this sacral quest, attaching
meaning which refines and purifies the family heritage. For discussions
along this line, one ought to consult Richard Kalmin, "Genealogy and
Polemics in Rabbinic Literature of Late Antiquity," in HUCA LXVII, 1996:
77-94 relating to Palestinian and Babylonian rabbis and sages and the issue
of genealogical blemishes. But perhaps the last word comes >from the mouth of
Socrates who warns that "if a person goes on analyzing names into words
[include acronyms - PK], and inquir[es] also into the elements out of which
the words are formed, and keeps on always repeating this process. . .[s/he]
must at last give up the inquiry in despair." Cratylus 421 d-e.

Paul King
Jerusalem

MODERATOR NOTE: Thanks Paul for your comprehensive summary,
members are asked to reply to Paul in private.


Rosenfeld in Kalev #hungary

Susan Stone <momteller@...>
 

Diane,
My gggf was Yaakov Rosenfeld >from NagyKallo (Kalev).
I was just there last month and visited the shrine
above the grave of the Kalever Rebbe. I don't know
his name but maybe it is your relative. Someone on
the listserve will surely know. My gggf is buried
next to this shrine, according to relatives, and he
was the rebbe's assistant. Offline, please let me
know who your Rosenfeld relative is.

Susan STone
Evanston, IL

Susan Stone
Storyteller
847 328-8159
www.storytelling.org/Stone


LDS Filming and Cataloguing of Hungarian and Slovak Films #hungary

Bob Lenk
 

While in Salt Lake City for the IAJGS Conference I was able to make some
contact with a couple of staff persons at the Family History Library.
What I understand is:

1) They are currently nearing completion of putting films >from Hungary
in the catalog. The person in charge expects this to be done by about
the end of August. [Note, I'm not sure whether there is any more
filming being done in Hungary. I only asked about Slovakia, and this
was extra information in the reply].

2) When they finish cataloging the Hungarian films, they will begin on
their backlog of Slovak films.

3) They are not done filming in Bratislava. They are filming towns in
alphabetical order. As of July 26 they were at Stara Tura. I was told
it would take "a few weeks or months" to get >from there to Stupava (a
specific town I asked about), so it will be some time till they finish.

4) I was told by a different person that because of the cataloging
backlog, they instituted a new process to create a quick catalog entry
as soon as a film is received. I passed this on to some folks at the
conference. THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO BE CORRECT (although I have not
gotten a definitive answer). I apologize for passing on incorrect
information.

Hopefully my sources are correct on the new information.

Bob Lenk
Greeley, Colorado, USA