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question about information found on http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I have found my Great-Uncle, Abraham LUSTIG on this list. I used the
suggested translation program for the smaller sections, but I haven't
been able to navigate the site on a whole so I'm hoping someone can help
me figure out what it all means.

It says that that in 1940 Abraham is deported >from Lwow. July 24, 1940
he is interned in Muzykowo, Archangielska and September 4, 1941 he
"departs," or as explanation says, given amnesty.

Does any one know about Muzykowo, Archangielska and what exactly it was?
Secondly, given the rough translation, of the source (Archive IT
district USW Archangielskiego, book of polish citizen included >from 1941
year amnesty - position ) what is meant by amnesty and to where would
he have been deported - back to Lwow? If so, how would I trace what
happened next? Basically, how can I find out more with the information
provided on this site?

Debby Gincig Painter
Michigan


Re: Has anyone heard of the surname: YOLGONITZER ? Thanks #general

Roy Ogus
 

I'd like to thank all of you who responded to my posting. There are
too many of you for me to respond individually. Your help was most
appreciated. The consensus appears to be that the name was actually
YAGOLNITZER, a fairly common name. Thanks again.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
r_ogus@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen question about information found on http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

I have found my Great-Uncle, Abraham LUSTIG on this list. I used the
suggested translation program for the smaller sections, but I haven't
been able to navigate the site on a whole so I'm hoping someone can help
me figure out what it all means.

It says that that in 1940 Abraham is deported >from Lwow. July 24, 1940
he is interned in Muzykowo, Archangielska and September 4, 1941 he
"departs," or as explanation says, given amnesty.

Does any one know about Muzykowo, Archangielska and what exactly it was?
Secondly, given the rough translation, of the source (Archive IT
district USW Archangielskiego, book of polish citizen included >from 1941
year amnesty - position ) what is meant by amnesty and to where would
he have been deported - back to Lwow? If so, how would I trace what
happened next? Basically, how can I find out more with the information
provided on this site?

Debby Gincig Painter
Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Has anyone heard of the surname: YOLGONITZER ? Thanks #general

Roy Ogus
 

I'd like to thank all of you who responded to my posting. There are
too many of you for me to respond individually. Your help was most
appreciated. The consensus appears to be that the name was actually
YAGOLNITZER, a fairly common name. Thanks again.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA
r_ogus@hotmail.com


Art Linnick #yiddish

Stewart K. Bernstein <skbernst123@...>
 

Would anyone have any information with regard to Art Linnick, an American Vaudvillian and radio
personality in the 1920's/1930's. He performed un the name of " Schlagenhaur". Art recorded parody
songs for Columbia Records and was represented by The William Morris Agency.

I am attaching a notice which in a 1926 Variety, however, I don't know if I can attach a file for
viewing by the Group.

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA

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Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Art Linnick #yiddish

Stewart K. Bernstein <skbernst123@...>
 

Would anyone have any information with regard to Art Linnick, an American Vaudvillian and radio
personality in the 1920's/1930's. He performed un the name of " Schlagenhaur". Art recorded parody
songs for Columbia Records and was represented by The William Morris Agency.

I am attaching a notice which in a 1926 Variety, however, I don't know if I can attach a file for
viewing by the Group.

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA

Moderator's note: Attachments should not be sent, nor can they be posted.


Thank you, and more about my grandfather, TZVI HERSH CHATZANSKY #yiddish

Vivian308@...
 

Bob: Thank you very much for responding to my questions in the digest and in
an email. You've given me some new leads, and I'm grateful.

I spoke with my father again, and he told me something I didn't know before.
He said that his father was the leader of Chialipin's chorus that traveled
around Kiev. I read a book, in English, about Chialipin, but it didn't mention
much about any particular chorus. I am going to try to locate the book again
and reread it.

My father also said that his father performed some comedy in or around Kiev,
separate >from his job with Chialipin. He doesn't know what years this was,
but I assume it was in the late 1890's and early 1900's. Does anyone have
relatives >from Kiev who performed comedy at this time?

Thank you again.

Vivian Finkelstein
USA
Vivian308@aol.com

Moderator's note: Please contact Vivian Finkelstein directly to continue this thread.
However, information of a general nature descibing resources and techniques for
discovering information about theatrical personalities should continue to be sent to
the YT&V group.


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Thank you, and more about my grandfather, TZVI HERSH CHATZANSKY #yiddish

Vivian308@...
 

Bob: Thank you very much for responding to my questions in the digest and in
an email. You've given me some new leads, and I'm grateful.

I spoke with my father again, and he told me something I didn't know before.
He said that his father was the leader of Chialipin's chorus that traveled
around Kiev. I read a book, in English, about Chialipin, but it didn't mention
much about any particular chorus. I am going to try to locate the book again
and reread it.

My father also said that his father performed some comedy in or around Kiev,
separate >from his job with Chialipin. He doesn't know what years this was,
but I assume it was in the late 1890's and early 1900's. Does anyone have
relatives >from Kiev who performed comedy at this time?

Thank you again.

Vivian Finkelstein
USA
Vivian308@aol.com

Moderator's note: Please contact Vivian Finkelstein directly to continue this thread.
However, information of a general nature descibing resources and techniques for
discovering information about theatrical personalities should continue to be sent to
the YT&V group.


Latvia DNA Project started #general

Donna Dinberg <blacknus@...>
 

Dear folks,

We have begun a Latvia DNA Project with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA;
http://www.familytreedna.com/).

The Latvia Project is a dual Y-DNA / mtDNA project created for
individuals descended >from families that have their earliest-known
origins in what is now Latvia. The Project will allow those who have
a family geographic origin in Latvia to compare their DNA with that
of their geographic neighbours and, possibly, find family matches.

After discussion with FTDNA advisors, we decided to create a
geographic group rather than a surname-specific group mainly because
we have already documented many of the descendents of our earliest
ancestor, Elia TRUPIN, born before 1800 in or around Daugavpils. Our
surname is rare, and a Y-DNA surname project would only duplicate the
links we have already found within solid documentary evidence held by
the Latvian State Historical Archive. The Latvia Project will give
a broader latitude by permitting both Y-DNA and mtDNA matching and
will permit anyone with family origins in what is now Latvia to
participate.

We invite anyone with Latvian family origins to consider joining the
Latvia Project.

Please get in touch with us if you have any questions.

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@rogers.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Donna might like to post this message to the JewishGen's
Genealogy by Genetics (DNA) list. Further information can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/DNA/
Any discussion of the uses of DNA in genealogy should take place on the DNA list.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Latvia DNA Project started #general

Donna Dinberg <blacknus@...>
 

Dear folks,

We have begun a Latvia DNA Project with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA;
http://www.familytreedna.com/).

The Latvia Project is a dual Y-DNA / mtDNA project created for
individuals descended >from families that have their earliest-known
origins in what is now Latvia. The Project will allow those who have
a family geographic origin in Latvia to compare their DNA with that
of their geographic neighbours and, possibly, find family matches.

After discussion with FTDNA advisors, we decided to create a
geographic group rather than a surname-specific group mainly because
we have already documented many of the descendents of our earliest
ancestor, Elia TRUPIN, born before 1800 in or around Daugavpils. Our
surname is rare, and a Y-DNA surname project would only duplicate the
links we have already found within solid documentary evidence held by
the Latvian State Historical Archive. The Latvia Project will give
a broader latitude by permitting both Y-DNA and mtDNA matching and
will permit anyone with family origins in what is now Latvia to
participate.

We invite anyone with Latvian family origins to consider joining the
Latvia Project.

Please get in touch with us if you have any questions.

Donna Dinberg
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
blacknus@rogers.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Donna might like to post this message to the JewishGen's
Genealogy by Genetics (DNA) list. Further information can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/DNA/
Any discussion of the uses of DNA in genealogy should take place on the DNA list.


Revue #92 #general

Ernest Kallmann
 

The belated issue 92 of Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive is now
available, with apologies. This is its content.

Families

Bernard Levy discusses the picture taken on April 17, 1912 in Le
Vesinet, a suburb of Paris. Some sixty persons >from prominent Jewish
Parisian families had gathered there to watch the total sun eclipse. The
author, who is one of their descendants, identifies them, shows how they
are related and sketches their personal fates.

In our issue #91 Françoise Job has published an article about the
surname /Wertenschlag/ which was adopted by Jews >from the Haut-Rhin
Departement as ordered by the Napoleonic decree of July 20, 1808.
Several readers have been startled by the enigma the paper contained.
Their answers are published here.

Miscellaneous

Bernard Lyon-Caen analyzes the deed executed by two Jews >from Metz,
Isaac OULIF and Nathan Olry CAHEN in the office #41 of the Royal
Counselors, Notaries in Paris on August 10, 1722. One party acquires the
other’s half of a house which they jointly own in Metz. The author
exploits the document >from three points of view: such early deeds
implying Jews in the Registers of the Parisian Notaries are rare; in
which conditions did the Jews in Metz dwell?; how does this deed fit
into the history of the Jews >from Metz?

Georges Graner reports in detail about the seminar of November 18 and
19, 2007 organized in Marseilles by Daniele Fareau, the president of the
Marseilles section of Cercle de Genealogie Juive. Three historians
lectured under the theme “Jewish migrations in Marseilles” about: Jewish
presence >from Antiquity to present; Jews in Marseilles in the 17th
century; The role played by Jews in Marseilles during the 19th century.
The seminar also hosted genealogy workshops and provided visits to town
and Departement Archives.

In Our Library

Monique Levy and Jean-Philippe Chaumont have just published the first
volume of /Dictionnaire biographique des rabbins/ ... en France et
Algerie (Berg International ed., Paris , 2007) covering the range >from
1807 to 1905. Monique Levy explains the purpose and use of the book.

Veronique Cahen publishes the computerization of the /ketouba/ (marriage
contract) stubs at the Paris Consistoire >from 1872 to 1884, to be
followed by two other volumes up to 1912.

Ernest Kallmann
Cercle de Genealogie Juive, Paris, France
Please contact only : office@genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Revue #92 #general

Ernest Kallmann
 

The belated issue 92 of Revue du Cercle de Genealogie Juive is now
available, with apologies. This is its content.

Families

Bernard Levy discusses the picture taken on April 17, 1912 in Le
Vesinet, a suburb of Paris. Some sixty persons >from prominent Jewish
Parisian families had gathered there to watch the total sun eclipse. The
author, who is one of their descendants, identifies them, shows how they
are related and sketches their personal fates.

In our issue #91 Françoise Job has published an article about the
surname /Wertenschlag/ which was adopted by Jews >from the Haut-Rhin
Departement as ordered by the Napoleonic decree of July 20, 1808.
Several readers have been startled by the enigma the paper contained.
Their answers are published here.

Miscellaneous

Bernard Lyon-Caen analyzes the deed executed by two Jews >from Metz,
Isaac OULIF and Nathan Olry CAHEN in the office #41 of the Royal
Counselors, Notaries in Paris on August 10, 1722. One party acquires the
other’s half of a house which they jointly own in Metz. The author
exploits the document >from three points of view: such early deeds
implying Jews in the Registers of the Parisian Notaries are rare; in
which conditions did the Jews in Metz dwell?; how does this deed fit
into the history of the Jews >from Metz?

Georges Graner reports in detail about the seminar of November 18 and
19, 2007 organized in Marseilles by Daniele Fareau, the president of the
Marseilles section of Cercle de Genealogie Juive. Three historians
lectured under the theme “Jewish migrations in Marseilles” about: Jewish
presence >from Antiquity to present; Jews in Marseilles in the 17th
century; The role played by Jews in Marseilles during the 19th century.
The seminar also hosted genealogy workshops and provided visits to town
and Departement Archives.

In Our Library

Monique Levy and Jean-Philippe Chaumont have just published the first
volume of /Dictionnaire biographique des rabbins/ ... en France et
Algerie (Berg International ed., Paris , 2007) covering the range >from
1807 to 1905. Monique Levy explains the purpose and use of the book.

Veronique Cahen publishes the computerization of the /ketouba/ (marriage
contract) stubs at the Paris Consistoire >from 1872 to 1884, to be
followed by two other volumes up to 1912.

Ernest Kallmann
Cercle de Genealogie Juive, Paris, France
Please contact only : office@genealoj.org


Loophole - Ottoman *citizens* right to live in Vienna before 1848 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Mathilde Tagger wrote: "During all these years [referring to the period before
1848] local Viennese Ashkenazi Jews were not authorized to live in Vienna.
This is why many Viennese Ashkenazi Jews made their way to Istanbul. After a
while there, asked for the Turkish citizenship. Then they could come back to
Vienna and automatically became members of the Turkish community although they
had not any Turkish/Sephardic roots."

The term "Viennese Jews" Mathilde used is not correct; Mathilde is referring to
Habsburg Jews >from Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary ie Pressburg and other Habsburg
territories. Before 1848, only certain "tolerierte Juden" were allowed to live
in Vienna together with their staff and various officials [ie religious,
medical, butchers etc]. After 1848, these restrictions were eased and the
floodgates opened.

With the loophole afforded by article #1 of the Passarowitz Peace Treaty signed
between Emperor Charles VI, and Sultan Ahmed Khan in 1718, free sojourn was
granted to the respective subjects of the two countries, some enterprising
Habsburg Jews naturally saw the opportunity to obtain Ottoman citizenship and
hence the permission to live in Vienna before others arrived after 1848. They
could have come >from anywhere in the Monarchy.

If you can read German this article is interesting: http://tinyurl.com/3azy74
The sentence: Nicht tolerierte Juden mussten fur jeden Tag ihres Aufenthaltes
zahlen ...... says that the Jews who did not have tolerierten status had to pay
for every day they stayed in Vienna so as to minimise their sojourn.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Loophole - Ottoman *citizens* right to live in Vienna before 1848 #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Mathilde Tagger wrote: "During all these years [referring to the period before
1848] local Viennese Ashkenazi Jews were not authorized to live in Vienna.
This is why many Viennese Ashkenazi Jews made their way to Istanbul. After a
while there, asked for the Turkish citizenship. Then they could come back to
Vienna and automatically became members of the Turkish community although they
had not any Turkish/Sephardic roots."

The term "Viennese Jews" Mathilde used is not correct; Mathilde is referring to
Habsburg Jews >from Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary ie Pressburg and other Habsburg
territories. Before 1848, only certain "tolerierte Juden" were allowed to live
in Vienna together with their staff and various officials [ie religious,
medical, butchers etc]. After 1848, these restrictions were eased and the
floodgates opened.

With the loophole afforded by article #1 of the Passarowitz Peace Treaty signed
between Emperor Charles VI, and Sultan Ahmed Khan in 1718, free sojourn was
granted to the respective subjects of the two countries, some enterprising
Habsburg Jews naturally saw the opportunity to obtain Ottoman citizenship and
hence the permission to live in Vienna before others arrived after 1848. They
could have come >from anywhere in the Monarchy.

If you can read German this article is interesting: http://tinyurl.com/3azy74
The sentence: Nicht tolerierte Juden mussten fur jeden Tag ihres Aufenthaltes
zahlen ...... says that the Jews who did not have tolerierten status had to pay
for every day they stayed in Vienna so as to minimise their sojourn.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Abraham Joshua Ashleigh ROUCHMAN-GLAIZNER & Deborah WOOL (nee Schuster) #general

=^.^= <boon.moggies@...>
 

I am carrying out some research on behalf of a friend and have just obtained
the marriage certificate for the above couple which took place in London in
1922. Their father's names are as follows:

Joseph Hyman ROUCHMAN-GLAIZNER

Solomon SCHUSTER

Is there anyone else researching these families please?

--
Best Wishes Angela Boon <boon.moggies@ntlworld.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Abraham Joshua Ashleigh ROUCHMAN-GLAIZNER & Deborah WOOL (nee Schuster) #general

=^.^= <boon.moggies@...>
 

I am carrying out some research on behalf of a friend and have just obtained
the marriage certificate for the above couple which took place in London in
1922. Their father's names are as follows:

Joseph Hyman ROUCHMAN-GLAIZNER

Solomon SCHUSTER

Is there anyone else researching these families please?

--
Best Wishes Angela Boon <boon.moggies@ntlworld.com>


Jews in Ecuador: SILBERSTERN #general

Joan Krieger <kriegz@...>
 

Dear Group,
I have found an entire branch of me family SILBERSTERN that emmigrated to
Quito Ecador >from Czech(Sudatenland) in the late 19 th century. Would anyone
know where or how I could find more information.
Thanks in advance
Joan Krieger
Ny


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jews in Ecuador: SILBERSTERN #general

Joan Krieger <kriegz@...>
 

Dear Group,
I have found an entire branch of me family SILBERSTERN that emmigrated to
Quito Ecador >from Czech(Sudatenland) in the late 19 th century. Would anyone
know where or how I could find more information.
Thanks in advance
Joan Krieger
Ny


COHN from Odessa #ukraine

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings;

I feel quite embarrassed asking such a simple question, but it's something
that's taken far too many hours with no results.

My grandfather Edward COHN was born in the US. According to all census records,
as well as his word, his mother and father (Morris and Pauline COHN) came >from
Odessa to the US in 1886.

I've tried and tried to find any records of their arrival >from 1885-1887 with
no luck whatsoever. I've tried different spellings of the their names both first
and surnames. I've tried both Russian and Odessa websites, and any distant family
member still alive.

still nothing.

can ANYONE lend a hand in suggestions as to where to continue to look.....it would
be greatly appreciated as they're the only branch of my family I've been unable to
trace backwards >from their US life.

Many thanks, in advance.

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca
USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine COHN from Odessa #ukraine

jcl me <jamgai@...>
 

Greetings;

I feel quite embarrassed asking such a simple question, but it's something
that's taken far too many hours with no results.

My grandfather Edward COHN was born in the US. According to all census records,
as well as his word, his mother and father (Morris and Pauline COHN) came >from
Odessa to the US in 1886.

I've tried and tried to find any records of their arrival >from 1885-1887 with
no luck whatsoever. I've tried different spellings of the their names both first
and surnames. I've tried both Russian and Odessa websites, and any distant family
member still alive.

still nothing.

can ANYONE lend a hand in suggestions as to where to continue to look.....it would
be greatly appreciated as they're the only branch of my family I've been unable to
trace backwards >from their US life.

Many thanks, in advance.

Jeffrey Leeds
sherman oaks, ca
USA