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Missing in previous revision list #lithuania

Joshua Kaufman
 

Hello all,

I have hit a wall in trying to find the place of origin of my ancestor
Josel Davidovich Kaufman and was hoping someone might be able to help.

In the earliest record I have of him, the 1850 revision list for
Kurenets, Vileika district, he appears as a 26 year old with his wife.
However, in the section for his age in the previous list, it records
that he was missing. Since his wife's family was well established
in the town and there are no other Kaufman's there, I believe he was
originally >from elsewhere.

I have tried looking for him and his father (David, based on the
patronymic) in as many 1834 revision lists as I can find for the
region, but have yet to find the family. Does anyone have any
suggestions for how else I might try to find his place of origin? Any
ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Kaufman
Washington, DC


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Missing in previous revision list #lithuania

Joshua Kaufman
 

Hello all,

I have hit a wall in trying to find the place of origin of my ancestor
Josel Davidovich Kaufman and was hoping someone might be able to help.

In the earliest record I have of him, the 1850 revision list for
Kurenets, Vileika district, he appears as a 26 year old with his wife.
However, in the section for his age in the previous list, it records
that he was missing. Since his wife's family was well established
in the town and there are no other Kaufman's there, I believe he was
originally >from elsewhere.

I have tried looking for him and his father (David, based on the
patronymic) in as many 1834 revision lists as I can find for the
region, but have yet to find the family. Does anyone have any
suggestions for how else I might try to find his place of origin? Any
ideas will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Josh Kaufman
Washington, DC


Re: German script #germany

Roger Lustig
 

If you read German already, it's just a matter of practice. One way
might be to download a German-script font such as Wiegel Kurrent, then
produce side-by-side versions of a document. Print out an alphabet sheet
first.

There are a few quirks, notably the horizontal line over an n or an m,
which doubles the letter. Double-s in all its variations (short-long,
long-long, Esszett) requires some attention too. And then there's the
curl over the u to distinguish it >from an n--not an umlaut!

If you don't read German, it's going to be more difficult. However, many
German vital records put surnames in Latin script, and some do the same
for given names and/or dates. It was often standard to put Latinate
words in Latin letters in both handwriting and type.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ eyestrain coordinator, GerSIG

On 7/20/2015 5:59 PM, Vivian Salama vivsalama@gmail.com wrote:
I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting).


German SIG #Germany Re: German script #germany

Roger Lustig
 

If you read German already, it's just a matter of practice. One way
might be to download a German-script font such as Wiegel Kurrent, then
produce side-by-side versions of a document. Print out an alphabet sheet
first.

There are a few quirks, notably the horizontal line over an n or an m,
which doubles the letter. Double-s in all its variations (short-long,
long-long, Esszett) requires some attention too. And then there's the
curl over the u to distinguish it >from an n--not an umlaut!

If you don't read German, it's going to be more difficult. However, many
German vital records put surnames in Latin script, and some do the same
for given names and/or dates. It was often standard to put Latinate
words in Latin letters in both handwriting and type.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ eyestrain coordinator, GerSIG

On 7/20/2015 5:59 PM, Vivian Salama vivsalama@gmail.com wrote:
I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting).


Re: German script #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Vivian Salama vivsalama@gmail.com asked:
I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting). =========>
Dear Vivian,

I relatively cheap (about 15 $) small book with many examples >from
different times is available (I assume also through a known book
distributor)

Deutsche Schreibschrift: Lehrbuch Gebundene Ausgabe – 2004
by Harald Süß
<http://www.amazon.de/Harald-S%C3%BC%C3%9F/e/B00J25O4R4/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1>
(Autor)
ISBN 3426667533

Hope that helps

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de

<javascript:void(0)>
<http://www.amazon.de/Deutsche-Schreibschrift-Lehrbuch-Harald-S%C3%BC%C3%9F/dp/3426667533/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1437471521&sr=1-1&keywords=9783426667538#customerReviews>


German SIG #Germany Re: German script #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Vivian Salama vivsalama@gmail.com asked:
I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting). =========>
Dear Vivian,

I relatively cheap (about 15 $) small book with many examples >from
different times is available (I assume also through a known book
distributor)

Deutsche Schreibschrift: Lehrbuch Gebundene Ausgabe – 2004
by Harald Süß
<http://www.amazon.de/Harald-S%C3%BC%C3%9F/e/B00J25O4R4/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1>
(Autor)
ISBN 3426667533

Hope that helps

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de

<javascript:void(0)>
<http://www.amazon.de/Deutsche-Schreibschrift-Lehrbuch-Harald-S%C3%BC%C3%9F/dp/3426667533/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1437471521&sr=1-1&keywords=9783426667538#customerReviews>


Re: Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland (Peter Lande) #germany

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland,
contributions by Peter Lande and Tom Heinersdorff

Die Nazis knew very well how many and where Jews (by their definition)
lived in Germany.

1. The census of May, 19, 1939 was accompanied by Ergaenzungskarten to
be filled in by all households with Jews, half Jews, quarter Jews by
their 1935 definition.

Each person was listed with name, maiden name, birthday and address,
vocation, schooling and with heir racial origin:

full Jews were marked as JJJJ, one "J" for each of the grandparents,
an "N" for non-Jewish grandparents. So you find combinations like
JJNN or JNNN or NNJJ and so on.

These lists are kept by Bundesarchiv, Berlin, Volkszaehlung
1939, Ergaenzungskarten.
2. When the Reichsvertretung der deutschen Juden was reorganized >from a
federal into an hierarchal and centralized structure as the
"Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland" and set under the control
of Reichssicherheitshauptamt by the 10th enactment to the
Reichsbuergergesetz in 1938, one of the jobs they were ordered to do
was to list all Jews and report regularly when they moved or emigrated.

This had to be implemented by the province offices of the Reichsvereinigung,
sent to the central office of the Reichsvereinigung at Berlin, Kantstrasse,
and the collection delivered to the Reichssicherheitshauptamt.
See: Bundesarchiv, Bestand (holding) R 8150.

The province offices of the Reichsvereinigung also had to deliver lists
of Jews who had emigrated after 1933.
For the Province office of Mainz these are kept in Nachlass 49 Michel
Oppenheim, Stadtarchiv Mainz. Michel Oppenheim (JJNN), who had been put
into the position as contact person between the province office and the
Gestapo, reported that they did not aim at delivering complete lists,
as far as he possibly could. So these lists do not contain all Jews living
in this province.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany RenateRosenau@t-online.de


German SIG #Germany Re: Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland (Peter Lande) #germany

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland,
contributions by Peter Lande and Tom Heinersdorff

Die Nazis knew very well how many and where Jews (by their definition)
lived in Germany.

1. The census of May, 19, 1939 was accompanied by Ergaenzungskarten to
be filled in by all households with Jews, half Jews, quarter Jews by
their 1935 definition.

Each person was listed with name, maiden name, birthday and address,
vocation, schooling and with heir racial origin:

full Jews were marked as JJJJ, one "J" for each of the grandparents,
an "N" for non-Jewish grandparents. So you find combinations like
JJNN or JNNN or NNJJ and so on.

These lists are kept by Bundesarchiv, Berlin, Volkszaehlung
1939, Ergaenzungskarten.
2. When the Reichsvertretung der deutschen Juden was reorganized >from a
federal into an hierarchal and centralized structure as the
"Reichsvereinigung der Juden in Deutschland" and set under the control
of Reichssicherheitshauptamt by the 10th enactment to the
Reichsbuergergesetz in 1938, one of the jobs they were ordered to do
was to list all Jews and report regularly when they moved or emigrated.

This had to be implemented by the province offices of the Reichsvereinigung,
sent to the central office of the Reichsvereinigung at Berlin, Kantstrasse,
and the collection delivered to the Reichssicherheitshauptamt.
See: Bundesarchiv, Bestand (holding) R 8150.

The province offices of the Reichsvereinigung also had to deliver lists
of Jews who had emigrated after 1933.
For the Province office of Mainz these are kept in Nachlass 49 Michel
Oppenheim, Stadtarchiv Mainz. Michel Oppenheim (JJNN), who had been put
into the position as contact person between the province office and the
Gestapo, reported that they did not aim at delivering complete lists,
as far as he possibly could. So these lists do not contain all Jews living
in this province.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany RenateRosenau@t-online.de


Re: German script #germany

Emily Garber
 

The FamilySearch Learning Center is a go-to place for learning to read
script in other alphabets. I used lessons they provide for learning
Polish and Cyrillic scripts. They also have a German script lesson at:
https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/german-script-tutorial/91

Emily Garber, Phoenix, AZ emilyhgarber@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany Re: German script #germany

Emily Garber
 

The FamilySearch Learning Center is a go-to place for learning to read
script in other alphabets. I used lessons they provide for learning
Polish and Cyrillic scripts. They also have a German script lesson at:
https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/german-script-tutorial/91

Emily Garber, Phoenix, AZ emilyhgarber@gmail.com


Re: German script #germany

David Bernheim
 

Vivian Salama idea (yesterday) for a course on reading German
handwriting sounds excellent. I would love this too!

The idea is so good, I wish I had thought of it a long time ago!

I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting).
David Bernheim, St Martin Vesubie, France david@bernheim.net


German SIG #Germany Re: German script #germany

David Bernheim
 

Vivian Salama idea (yesterday) for a course on reading German
handwriting sounds excellent. I would love this too!

The idea is so good, I wish I had thought of it a long time ago!

I am wondering if there is a course to learn to read German script
(handwriting).
David Bernheim, St Martin Vesubie, France david@bernheim.net


Rosa and Isidor MARX #unitedkingdom

Debbie Lifshitz
 

Hi All,
Rosa and Isidor MARX ran the Orthodox Jewish Orphanage in Frankfurt am
Main before the war.
After the rise of the Nazis, they took in ever larger numbers of
children. At some point they started to help children get visas to
other countries, get them on the kindertransport, Youth Aliya etc.
The couple decided to split up, I think around 1939, with Isisdor
going to the UK with their son(s?) and Rosa staying behind with the
last children. She never made it out. There is a road with her name in
Frankfurt today.
Isidor opened an orphanage, according to my sources, in the UK.
I would like help with the following:
1. Making contact with anyone >from the MARX family
2. Getting in touch with families who immigrated with the help of the
Marx family.
3. Any information about the orphanage Isidor opened in the UK
My grandfather sponsored one of the boys >from the orphanage to come to
the States and was his legal guardian till the age of 21.
Any further information would be greatly appreciated!
Debbie Lifschitz
Jerusalem


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Rosa and Isidor MARX #unitedkingdom

Debbie Lifshitz
 

Hi All,
Rosa and Isidor MARX ran the Orthodox Jewish Orphanage in Frankfurt am
Main before the war.
After the rise of the Nazis, they took in ever larger numbers of
children. At some point they started to help children get visas to
other countries, get them on the kindertransport, Youth Aliya etc.
The couple decided to split up, I think around 1939, with Isisdor
going to the UK with their son(s?) and Rosa staying behind with the
last children. She never made it out. There is a road with her name in
Frankfurt today.
Isidor opened an orphanage, according to my sources, in the UK.
I would like help with the following:
1. Making contact with anyone >from the MARX family
2. Getting in touch with families who immigrated with the help of the
Marx family.
3. Any information about the orphanage Isidor opened in the UK
My grandfather sponsored one of the boys >from the orphanage to come to
the States and was his legal guardian till the age of 21.
Any further information would be greatly appreciated!
Debbie Lifschitz
Jerusalem


REMINDER. SUN 26th JULY DUTCH&SEPHARDI SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP MEETING #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear interested Members,

I need your RSVPs if you wish to attend a D&S WORKSHOP at 33, Seymour
Place W1 (West London Synagogue) next Sunday please. We will commence at
2.30pm with the library open >from 4.30-5.45(ish)

The meeting will not be held in the COUNCIL ROOM on this occasion - but
will be in THE PRAYER ROOM on the 1st floor.

RSVPs are imperative for Security - please sign in at their reception desk
when you arrive.

Please let me know. Thank you.

Regards,

Raymond Montanjees

Researching:

MONTAN(N)(H)ES_MONTANJIES_VAN PRAAG(H)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom REMINDER. SUN 26th JULY DUTCH&SEPHARDI SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP MEETING #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear interested Members,

I need your RSVPs if you wish to attend a D&S WORKSHOP at 33, Seymour
Place W1 (West London Synagogue) next Sunday please. We will commence at
2.30pm with the library open >from 4.30-5.45(ish)

The meeting will not be held in the COUNCIL ROOM on this occasion - but
will be in THE PRAYER ROOM on the 1st floor.

RSVPs are imperative for Security - please sign in at their reception desk
when you arrive.

Please let me know. Thank you.

Regards,

Raymond Montanjees

Researching:

MONTAN(N)(H)ES_MONTANJIES_VAN PRAAG(H)


Re: Question about US naturalization records from the 1890s. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Someone here emailed me a fascinating reason why some people's naturalization
papers have suspect information. It's because they became naturalized, due to
the help of people who were looking for votes! These people were willing to
pay the fees to the immigrants, in order for them to become naturalized, and
they would be their witnesses, claiming to have known the person for many
years. This led to some cities and states enacting laws, that prevented people
from voting, unless they had been a citizen for a certain amount of time.
I did a search in the newspaper archives for naturalization and fraud, and
found all sorts of fun situations. The more common reasons for obtaining
naturalization back then, was to obtain licenses and jobs >from the government.
But the laws varied >from state to state. I found one article describing the
situation, where a couple was denied a marriage certificate, because the man
couldn't prove that he was a citizen. I would be curious how widespread that
requirement was, because I have relatives that were married in the early
1880s, and the husband later deserted the wife. 10 years later, the wife
found the husband, who had remarried, and she tried to prove that he had
married her. However, she could not produce a marriage certificate, and I
know that the husband did not become a citizen, under after he deserted her.

In any event, in the newspaper article, it went on to state that the denied
couple attempted to get around the problem, by paying someone else to appear
and request a marriage certificate in their names. Since there were no IDs
back then, they had to grant the person a marriage license. Only later did
they follow up and discover that indeed it was the original couple that used
the license to get married. :)

Mark London
Natick, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about US naturalization records from the 1890s. #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Someone here emailed me a fascinating reason why some people's naturalization
papers have suspect information. It's because they became naturalized, due to
the help of people who were looking for votes! These people were willing to
pay the fees to the immigrants, in order for them to become naturalized, and
they would be their witnesses, claiming to have known the person for many
years. This led to some cities and states enacting laws, that prevented people
from voting, unless they had been a citizen for a certain amount of time.
I did a search in the newspaper archives for naturalization and fraud, and
found all sorts of fun situations. The more common reasons for obtaining
naturalization back then, was to obtain licenses and jobs >from the government.
But the laws varied >from state to state. I found one article describing the
situation, where a couple was denied a marriage certificate, because the man
couldn't prove that he was a citizen. I would be curious how widespread that
requirement was, because I have relatives that were married in the early
1880s, and the husband later deserted the wife. 10 years later, the wife
found the husband, who had remarried, and she tried to prove that he had
married her. However, she could not produce a marriage certificate, and I
know that the husband did not become a citizen, under after he deserted her.

In any event, in the newspaper article, it went on to state that the denied
couple attempted to get around the problem, by paying someone else to appear
and request a marriage certificate in their names. Since there were no IDs
back then, they had to grant the person a marriage license. Only later did
they follow up and discover that indeed it was the original couple that used
the license to get married. :)

Mark London
Natick, MA


Re: Seeking shtetl Raskayez #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

dd4genealogy@gmail.com wrote on 21 Jul 2015 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

[..] the town of Raskayez.
Can anyone help me find this town. It is on a border near a lake.
Maybe between Poland and Russia or Russia and Romania?
JewishGen Gazetteer:
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/@46.5735064,29.7725708,14z>

Rascaeti, Raskaitsy, Raskayetsy, Raskaytsy, Reskayts’, Rascaieti
46°34' N 29°47' E
Moldova
52.7 miles ESE of Chisinau 47°0' N 28°51' E

on the River Dniester

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)

MODERATOR NOTE:
The JewishGen Gazetteer may be reached via:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp
The JewishGen Communities Database is at:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Seeking shtetl Raskayez #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

dd4genealogy@gmail.com wrote on 21 Jul 2015 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

[..] the town of Raskayez.
Can anyone help me find this town. It is on a border near a lake.
Maybe between Poland and Russia or Russia and Romania?
JewishGen Gazetteer:
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/@46.5735064,29.7725708,14z>

Rascaeti, Raskaitsy, Raskayetsy, Raskaytsy, Reskayts’, Rascaieti
46°34' N 29°47' E
Moldova
52.7 miles ESE of Chisinau 47°0' N 28°51' E

on the River Dniester

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)

MODERATOR NOTE:
The JewishGen Gazetteer may be reached via:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp
The JewishGen Communities Database is at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp

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