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Finding Missing people on EIDB #general

Ellen and Sal Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

To add to the message >from David Rosen, Boston MA - Finding Grandmother on EIDB:
On www.stevemorse.org EIDB gold form & Russians to America, you can enter town name
only & ethnicity: Hebrew. The index will allow you to look at misspelled names,
those missing surnames or missing first few letters of surname. I am working on a
database for Lubow, ethnicity Hebrew. I completed a database of 752 passengers from
Tarsia - Italian using the gold form & Italians to America & found the town spelled
8 different ways. I also used the paid site to search other ports by town only.
Ellen Barbieri - Researcher # 8682
San Diego, CA
elsal@...
Researching: ZYMAN, MARCUS- Lubowo (now Liubavas, Lith); ZYMAN, KAPLAN, KANOWICZ,
KRAMARSKI-Suwalki; FRYDLANDSKI, JAWORKOWSKI- Filipow; GOLDBERG- same area?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding Missing people on EIDB #general

Ellen and Sal Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

To add to the message >from David Rosen, Boston MA - Finding Grandmother on EIDB:
On www.stevemorse.org EIDB gold form & Russians to America, you can enter town name
only & ethnicity: Hebrew. The index will allow you to look at misspelled names,
those missing surnames or missing first few letters of surname. I am working on a
database for Lubow, ethnicity Hebrew. I completed a database of 752 passengers from
Tarsia - Italian using the gold form & Italians to America & found the town spelled
8 different ways. I also used the paid site to search other ports by town only.
Ellen Barbieri - Researcher # 8682
San Diego, CA
elsal@...
Researching: ZYMAN, MARCUS- Lubowo (now Liubavas, Lith); ZYMAN, KAPLAN, KANOWICZ,
KRAMARSKI-Suwalki; FRYDLANDSKI, JAWORKOWSKI- Filipow; GOLDBERG- same area?


Family MARGOLIS in USA (New York?) #general

Daniel Gleek
 

I am looking for the descendants of Chaia and Berko MARGOLIS. They were born and
married in Lithuania - and went to the USA in 1909.
Their eldest sons were:
- Koppel (Jacob/Jack) MARGOLIS and Abel (Alf?) MARGOLIS Koppel and Abel MARGOLIS's
children would now be in their 70s/80s. Chaia's maiden name is given on documents
as Zak/Sack/Kloss/Kraus. Chaia had family in Lithuania, South Africa and London.

Thank you, in advance.
Daniel Gleek in London
daniel@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family MARGOLIS in USA (New York?) #general

Daniel Gleek
 

I am looking for the descendants of Chaia and Berko MARGOLIS. They were born and
married in Lithuania - and went to the USA in 1909.
Their eldest sons were:
- Koppel (Jacob/Jack) MARGOLIS and Abel (Alf?) MARGOLIS Koppel and Abel MARGOLIS's
children would now be in their 70s/80s. Chaia's maiden name is given on documents
as Zak/Sack/Kloss/Kraus. Chaia had family in Lithuania, South Africa and London.

Thank you, in advance.
Daniel Gleek in London
daniel@...


BRICHEVA (Bessarabia) web page - launched #ukraine

Ayana Kimron <ayana.kimron@...>
 

BRICHEVA - my own collection, launched in Shtetlinks.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/briceva/bricheva.htm

If anyone wishes to add information, please write me directly.

Regards,
Ayana Kimron
http://www.geocities DOT com/akimron/

seeking:
SADETSKY, BLANK, BARATS, ZILBERG [south Ukraine, Bessarabia]


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine BRICHEVA (Bessarabia) web page - launched #ukraine

Ayana Kimron <ayana.kimron@...>
 

BRICHEVA - my own collection, launched in Shtetlinks.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/briceva/bricheva.htm

If anyone wishes to add information, please write me directly.

Regards,
Ayana Kimron
http://www.geocities DOT com/akimron/

seeking:
SADETSKY, BLANK, BARATS, ZILBERG [south Ukraine, Bessarabia]


Fw: OPPENHEIMER #germany

elliebond@...
 

Hi Genners,
I recently went to Koln in Germany to the Jewish cemetry in DEUTZ to visit
my grandfather's grave Richard HEIDENHEIM. While I was there I noticed the
memorial for Therele OPPENHEIMER born 9th July 177? not quite
clear died 5th March 184 there were also some other members of the
OPPENHEIMER family there. The reason I took the photo is that there are
links to my family tree via my Grandmothers family the SAARBACHS. Which
are as follows. If you would like a photo please reply to my e-mail

OPPENHEIMER, Max Born: 30 Jun 185 in Koln, Germany Died: Bet. 1906 - 1944
Number of children: 6
+OPPENHEIM, Mimi Emilie Wilhelmine Born: 3 Feb 1865 Died: Bet. 1907 - 1960
Number of children: 6
OPPENHEIMER, Olga Friedricke Born: 09 Jul 1886
OPPENHEIMER, Friedrich Alexander Born: 5 Sep 1887
OPPENHEIMER, Irma Silvana Born: 07 Nov 1897
OPPENHEIMER, Maria Herta Born: Abt. 1898
OPPENHEIMER, Liese Born: Abt. 1898
OPPENHEIMER, Lotte Born: Abt. 1898

I hope this is helpful to someone Regards

Ellie Bond Heidenheim Eastbourne Engalnd <elliebond@...>


German SIG #Germany Fw: OPPENHEIMER #germany

elliebond@...
 

Hi Genners,
I recently went to Koln in Germany to the Jewish cemetry in DEUTZ to visit
my grandfather's grave Richard HEIDENHEIM. While I was there I noticed the
memorial for Therele OPPENHEIMER born 9th July 177? not quite
clear died 5th March 184 there were also some other members of the
OPPENHEIMER family there. The reason I took the photo is that there are
links to my family tree via my Grandmothers family the SAARBACHS. Which
are as follows. If you would like a photo please reply to my e-mail

OPPENHEIMER, Max Born: 30 Jun 185 in Koln, Germany Died: Bet. 1906 - 1944
Number of children: 6
+OPPENHEIM, Mimi Emilie Wilhelmine Born: 3 Feb 1865 Died: Bet. 1907 - 1960
Number of children: 6
OPPENHEIMER, Olga Friedricke Born: 09 Jul 1886
OPPENHEIMER, Friedrich Alexander Born: 5 Sep 1887
OPPENHEIMER, Irma Silvana Born: 07 Nov 1897
OPPENHEIMER, Maria Herta Born: Abt. 1898
OPPENHEIMER, Liese Born: Abt. 1898
OPPENHEIMER, Lotte Born: Abt. 1898

I hope this is helpful to someone Regards

Ellie Bond Heidenheim Eastbourne Engalnd <elliebond@...>


another reason for ritual use of coins #germany

Claire Wallerstein <com@...>
 

Hello

Firstly, thank you so much to everyone who tried to help me solve the
conundrum of the five coins that my great grandfather had kept. Nearly
everyone suggested they were to do with Pidyon HaBen.

But I thought you might be interested in another explanation I've just
been sent by the people at the Frankfurt Jewish Museum, which I think is
possibly more likely (as I understand it, the coins for Pidyon HaBen
should be high value and/ or silver - these little copper kreutzer coins
definitely weren't - and also I couldn't understand why he would have the
coins himself... his family weren't Cohanim).

Apparently there was a custom among Jewish communities in southern Germany
up to Hessen (including Frankfurt) to tie little strings or bags of coins,
often unusual (foreign) or old ones (one of the coins we have is from
1777, and one >from my great grandfather's birth year of 1849) onto the male
child during circumcision as amulets to protect against anything going wrong.

I hope this might be interesting to others doing research for this area.

Best wishes, Claire Wallerstein (Madrid, Spain) <com@...>


German SIG #Germany another reason for ritual use of coins #germany

Claire Wallerstein <com@...>
 

Hello

Firstly, thank you so much to everyone who tried to help me solve the
conundrum of the five coins that my great grandfather had kept. Nearly
everyone suggested they were to do with Pidyon HaBen.

But I thought you might be interested in another explanation I've just
been sent by the people at the Frankfurt Jewish Museum, which I think is
possibly more likely (as I understand it, the coins for Pidyon HaBen
should be high value and/ or silver - these little copper kreutzer coins
definitely weren't - and also I couldn't understand why he would have the
coins himself... his family weren't Cohanim).

Apparently there was a custom among Jewish communities in southern Germany
up to Hessen (including Frankfurt) to tie little strings or bags of coins,
often unusual (foreign) or old ones (one of the coins we have is from
1777, and one >from my great grandfather's birth year of 1849) onto the male
child during circumcision as amulets to protect against anything going wrong.

I hope this might be interesting to others doing research for this area.

Best wishes, Claire Wallerstein (Madrid, Spain) <com@...>


Confirming a sibling relationship without birth records #lithuania

Nancy Mills
 

I am trying to prove that someone whom family members say is my
great-aunt is indeed so. She was born in Zagare, Lithuania I believe
sometime at the turn of the 20th Century, moved to Paris and married
there, then moved to Israel and died there. My grandfather--hopefully
her brother--came to the US in 1906, was naturalized here, returned to
the old country in 1922 for a visit, then came back to the states and
died here. None of the public records I have been able to find for my
grandfather ask him to report siblings. And my great-aunt never came
to the U.S. Is there any way to confirm my great aunt's identity and
relationship to my grandfather without finding the Zagare-environs
birth records?


Nancy Mills
nancyfmills@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Confirming a sibling relationship without birth records #lithuania

Nancy Mills
 

I am trying to prove that someone whom family members say is my
great-aunt is indeed so. She was born in Zagare, Lithuania I believe
sometime at the turn of the 20th Century, moved to Paris and married
there, then moved to Israel and died there. My grandfather--hopefully
her brother--came to the US in 1906, was naturalized here, returned to
the old country in 1922 for a visit, then came back to the states and
died here. None of the public records I have been able to find for my
grandfather ask him to report siblings. And my great-aunt never came
to the U.S. Is there any way to confirm my great aunt's identity and
relationship to my grandfather without finding the Zagare-environs
birth records?


Nancy Mills
nancyfmills@...


Thanks for donated records #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

On behalf of myself, and the LitvakSIG Board of Directors, I want to thank
the following individuals for the donation they made to LitvakSIG and to
the All Lithuania Database of thousands of translated vital records.

Peggy Freedman - Jonava
Ada Green - Krakes and Vandziagola
Barry Mann - Zeimelis
Eric Goldstein - Darbenai

These were not isolated, personal vital records but ALL OF THE KNOWN VITAL
RECORDS for each of those towns. Their generosity will benefit all
researchers who may be searching for ancestors in those towns.

There may be others who have complete sets of records who may be willing
to donate those records to LitvakSIG and we would love to hear >from you.
We can only accept records that are for an entire year or years and not for
partial years.

If you do have vital records you are willing to donate, for Kaunas
Gubernia towns please contact Aaron Roetenberg aaronrb@... and
for Vilnius and Suwalk Gubernia towns please contact Joel Ratner
Joelrat1@...

Howard Margol
President, LitvakSIG


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Thanks for donated records #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

On behalf of myself, and the LitvakSIG Board of Directors, I want to thank
the following individuals for the donation they made to LitvakSIG and to
the All Lithuania Database of thousands of translated vital records.

Peggy Freedman - Jonava
Ada Green - Krakes and Vandziagola
Barry Mann - Zeimelis
Eric Goldstein - Darbenai

These were not isolated, personal vital records but ALL OF THE KNOWN VITAL
RECORDS for each of those towns. Their generosity will benefit all
researchers who may be searching for ancestors in those towns.

There may be others who have complete sets of records who may be willing
to donate those records to LitvakSIG and we would love to hear >from you.
We can only accept records that are for an entire year or years and not for
partial years.

If you do have vital records you are willing to donate, for Kaunas
Gubernia towns please contact Aaron Roetenberg aaronrb@... and
for Vilnius and Suwalk Gubernia towns please contact Joel Ratner
Joelrat1@...

Howard Margol
President, LitvakSIG


Hungarian SIG Luncheon Menu #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

If you haven't yet signed up for the Hungarian SIG luncheon, this
should whet your appetite!

This year's luncheon will feature a Hungarian menu:

Hungarian Marinated Cucumber Salad on a Bed of Mixed Greens

Budapest Goulash : Braised Beef Stew with Tomatoes, Peppers and Potatoes
Egg Noodles

Dobos Torte with Caramel Sauce

Our luncheon program will be a presentation on the history of the
Jewish community of Ungvar and the Communities of Ung megye and
resources for family research in this part of Hungarian Transcarpathia.

Early registration ends on April 30. For more information and on-line
registration, go to http://www.chicago2008.org/

You can browse the entire conference program at http://www.chicago2008.org/program.cfm

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian SIG Luncheon Menu #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

If you haven't yet signed up for the Hungarian SIG luncheon, this
should whet your appetite!

This year's luncheon will feature a Hungarian menu:

Hungarian Marinated Cucumber Salad on a Bed of Mixed Greens

Budapest Goulash : Braised Beef Stew with Tomatoes, Peppers and Potatoes
Egg Noodles

Dobos Torte with Caramel Sauce

Our luncheon program will be a presentation on the history of the
Jewish community of Ungvar and the Communities of Ung megye and
resources for family research in this part of Hungarian Transcarpathia.

Early registration ends on April 30. For more information and on-line
registration, go to http://www.chicago2008.org/

You can browse the entire conference program at http://www.chicago2008.org/program.cfm

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


Re: Elias STERN family (mid 1700's Prague -) #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Rohel wrote: "I would really appreciate, a search for Elias STERN in the
"Jewish census of Bohemia"

Elias STERN + (?) - daughter Anna STERN Born: 1782 or 85 in Prague. Married:
Sep 9 or 18, 1804 in Prague at age 22 or Sep 1, 1804 in Smichov/Prague.
Died: Mar 28, 1861 age 79 + Markus (Marcus) GRUNHUT Born: 1781 in Prague.
Married at age 23 Died: Nov 7, 1858 age 78 or Dec 7, 1858?"

Peter does not know what he has got into! You need a pencil and paper to follow
this. I doubt anyone has looked at all these links before, but I have studied
them superficially as they appeared so interesting and possibly linked to my
own WOTTITZ/LEIDESDORF/BIACH gtgtgt grandparents >from Pressburg.

In 1793, the ELIAS family lived in Neuhaus, Tabor Kreis [Jewish census of
Bohemia Vol III, p 333]. The STERN family takes up more than one page. With
five sons and two daughters, I suspect we would have links to many families in
our SIG! Elias STERN, a wealthy distiller, had died by 1793. I suspect that he
was born ca 1735. His *second wife* was Francisca unknown [belonged in Schutz
Prag und Schwyhau].

Children >from first marriage: [wife unknown]
1. Abraham [distiller] married in Wittingau - but died before 1793. {see Vol 1
p. 260 Budweiser Kreis]. Abraham has died - this is the only Jewish family in
Schloss Wittingau - distilling and potash consession. There appears to be no
wife either but there are two sons [Wolf Lobl & Jachim] and six daughters.
Hence the marriage must have taken place at the earliest ca 1783 and Abraham
was probably born in 1760 if not before. They have their own tutor and cook
and domestic staff.

2. Aloysius - unmarried catholic convert in the K and K infantry.
3. Joseph, distiller, married in Neu Bistritz [the only Jew in Neu Bistritz in
1793 married to Barbara/Baberdl, daughter of Jacob WOTTITZ {Neuhaus] and sister
of Nathan WOTTITZ who married Judith LEIDESDORF [grandparents of Alfred STERN
of IKG, Vienna and gt-grandparents of composer, Oscar STRAUSS] - see Vol III p
337. Both Nathan WOTTITZ* and his wife died in Vienna. Jacob WOTTITZ had two
sons and six daughters. [see Footnotes]
4. Philip, married, has moved to Lundenburg [Breclav] in Moravia where he had
the tobacco concession and no doubt knew the family our nonagenarian SIG member
Hans Weigl >from Herzlia, Israel.
5. Jonas, married, moved to Pressburg - in the fabric business. Could he be a
link between my own Pressburg WOTTITZ and LEIDESDORF gtgtgt-grandparents?]

Children with second wife, Francisca:
6. Anna single - but now we know >from Peter she married Marcus GRUNHUT.
7. Ester single

In addition there are six servants.

I have a hunch I am linked to these families, but there is no way I can prove
it. To follow all these links, if it were possible, is a lifetime's work as we
have 23 children listed in the 1793 census alone. It would be fun though.
As a start, we should find out the family names of Elias's two wives.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

1. Alfred STERN's father was Karl STERN born ca 1795 in Pest and married to
Catharina WOTTITZ daughter of Nathan WOTTITZ and Judith nee LEIDESDORF - I have
no idea if these STERN are related to Elias STERN, but it is a possibility.

2. Nathan WOTTITZ found as WOTITZ in IKG Zentralfriedhof database:
WOTITZ Nathan aged 78 27.06.1844 Wahringerfriedhof 4 274
WOTITZ {nee LEIDESDORF} aged 80 01.06.1858 Wahrignerfriedhof 4 338

3. Please see my Neu Bistritz cemetery website - there is a STERN grave
visible:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600985799768/detail/
Wilhelm STERN buried in Neu Bistritz might be a descendant of Elias STERN of
Prague and Neuhaus, via his third-born son, Joseph. Each picture magnifies. I
will write more about this cemetery in another posting.


VARACHA {VARSCHA?} family of Vienna #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Arieh Meir >from Haifa is looking for the ancestors of Dvora GLASER and Cecilie
VARACHA. GLASER is such a common name we need much more data before we can
proceed. Arieh has however looked incessantly for his aunt: see our message
archives - 23 Jun 2007 From: Arieh Meir <meir1935@...>
Subject: Looking for Dvora Glaser

VARACHA is much more unusual, in fact I have never heard it before.

Arieh has written a POT for his aunt Cilli on yad vashem which you can read.
There may be more in the Hebrew version but I am going by the English version
which tell us that Cilli was born in Vienna on 23 April 1899 {in other data
Arieh gives us 21 April - ie her birthday is imminent}.

Father's name: Josef MAYER
Mother's Name: Lotte nee WOLF

I presume Arie is looking for WOLF and MAYER ancestors. We really must know
this. I also assume that Cilli was his father's sister?

If you google VARACHA Vienna, you get Arieh's earlier requests for information.

I assume Cilli's mother was also murdered, but I can find no POT, our only hope
is to find a link to Josef and Lotte {Charlotte} through Cilli's birth entry in
the Vienna IKG register. If we had a Vienna address, we might get further.

I eventually found Cilli as Cilli VARSCHA on Lettertothestars - so now we have
another perspective on the case. She appears twice on yad vashem as VARSCHA
and VARACHA. We really have to find out if she was VARSCHA or VARACHA in
Vienna.

If we find Josef's grave in Vienna then we can find his probate form. There are
many Josef MAYER buried in Vienna so we have to whittle it down to the right
one >from about 7 possibles.

There were VARACHI in Austria in 1938 - they had asset files and there was one
VARACHA tailor {Johann} on Wipplingerstr in 1933. They do not appear in
Holocaust lists and are not in the ZF database either, so we have to look
elsewhere. As for VARSCHA - Cilli is the only one I have found so far. I have
found a VARSA buried in the ZF with a little boy Georg RADNAI. They sound very
Hungarian to me.

This is a difficult case.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Elias STERN family (mid 1700's Prague -) #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Peter Rohel wrote: "I would really appreciate, a search for Elias STERN in the
"Jewish census of Bohemia"

Elias STERN + (?) - daughter Anna STERN Born: 1782 or 85 in Prague. Married:
Sep 9 or 18, 1804 in Prague at age 22 or Sep 1, 1804 in Smichov/Prague.
Died: Mar 28, 1861 age 79 + Markus (Marcus) GRUNHUT Born: 1781 in Prague.
Married at age 23 Died: Nov 7, 1858 age 78 or Dec 7, 1858?"

Peter does not know what he has got into! You need a pencil and paper to follow
this. I doubt anyone has looked at all these links before, but I have studied
them superficially as they appeared so interesting and possibly linked to my
own WOTTITZ/LEIDESDORF/BIACH gtgtgt grandparents >from Pressburg.

In 1793, the ELIAS family lived in Neuhaus, Tabor Kreis [Jewish census of
Bohemia Vol III, p 333]. The STERN family takes up more than one page. With
five sons and two daughters, I suspect we would have links to many families in
our SIG! Elias STERN, a wealthy distiller, had died by 1793. I suspect that he
was born ca 1735. His *second wife* was Francisca unknown [belonged in Schutz
Prag und Schwyhau].

Children >from first marriage: [wife unknown]
1. Abraham [distiller] married in Wittingau - but died before 1793. {see Vol 1
p. 260 Budweiser Kreis]. Abraham has died - this is the only Jewish family in
Schloss Wittingau - distilling and potash consession. There appears to be no
wife either but there are two sons [Wolf Lobl & Jachim] and six daughters.
Hence the marriage must have taken place at the earliest ca 1783 and Abraham
was probably born in 1760 if not before. They have their own tutor and cook
and domestic staff.

2. Aloysius - unmarried catholic convert in the K and K infantry.
3. Joseph, distiller, married in Neu Bistritz [the only Jew in Neu Bistritz in
1793 married to Barbara/Baberdl, daughter of Jacob WOTTITZ {Neuhaus] and sister
of Nathan WOTTITZ who married Judith LEIDESDORF [grandparents of Alfred STERN
of IKG, Vienna and gt-grandparents of composer, Oscar STRAUSS] - see Vol III p
337. Both Nathan WOTTITZ* and his wife died in Vienna. Jacob WOTTITZ had two
sons and six daughters. [see Footnotes]
4. Philip, married, has moved to Lundenburg [Breclav] in Moravia where he had
the tobacco concession and no doubt knew the family our nonagenarian SIG member
Hans Weigl >from Herzlia, Israel.
5. Jonas, married, moved to Pressburg - in the fabric business. Could he be a
link between my own Pressburg WOTTITZ and LEIDESDORF gtgtgt-grandparents?]

Children with second wife, Francisca:
6. Anna single - but now we know >from Peter she married Marcus GRUNHUT.
7. Ester single

In addition there are six servants.

I have a hunch I am linked to these families, but there is no way I can prove
it. To follow all these links, if it were possible, is a lifetime's work as we
have 23 children listed in the 1793 census alone. It would be fun though.
As a start, we should find out the family names of Elias's two wives.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

1. Alfred STERN's father was Karl STERN born ca 1795 in Pest and married to
Catharina WOTTITZ daughter of Nathan WOTTITZ and Judith nee LEIDESDORF - I have
no idea if these STERN are related to Elias STERN, but it is a possibility.

2. Nathan WOTTITZ found as WOTITZ in IKG Zentralfriedhof database:
WOTITZ Nathan aged 78 27.06.1844 Wahringerfriedhof 4 274
WOTITZ {nee LEIDESDORF} aged 80 01.06.1858 Wahrignerfriedhof 4 338

3. Please see my Neu Bistritz cemetery website - there is a STERN grave
visible:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157600985799768/detail/
Wilhelm STERN buried in Neu Bistritz might be a descendant of Elias STERN of
Prague and Neuhaus, via his third-born son, Joseph. Each picture magnifies. I
will write more about this cemetery in another posting.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech VARACHA {VARSCHA?} family of Vienna #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Arieh Meir >from Haifa is looking for the ancestors of Dvora GLASER and Cecilie
VARACHA. GLASER is such a common name we need much more data before we can
proceed. Arieh has however looked incessantly for his aunt: see our message
archives - 23 Jun 2007 From: Arieh Meir <meir1935@...>
Subject: Looking for Dvora Glaser

VARACHA is much more unusual, in fact I have never heard it before.

Arieh has written a POT for his aunt Cilli on yad vashem which you can read.
There may be more in the Hebrew version but I am going by the English version
which tell us that Cilli was born in Vienna on 23 April 1899 {in other data
Arieh gives us 21 April - ie her birthday is imminent}.

Father's name: Josef MAYER
Mother's Name: Lotte nee WOLF

I presume Arie is looking for WOLF and MAYER ancestors. We really must know
this. I also assume that Cilli was his father's sister?

If you google VARACHA Vienna, you get Arieh's earlier requests for information.

I assume Cilli's mother was also murdered, but I can find no POT, our only hope
is to find a link to Josef and Lotte {Charlotte} through Cilli's birth entry in
the Vienna IKG register. If we had a Vienna address, we might get further.

I eventually found Cilli as Cilli VARSCHA on Lettertothestars - so now we have
another perspective on the case. She appears twice on yad vashem as VARSCHA
and VARACHA. We really have to find out if she was VARSCHA or VARACHA in
Vienna.

If we find Josef's grave in Vienna then we can find his probate form. There are
many Josef MAYER buried in Vienna so we have to whittle it down to the right
one >from about 7 possibles.

There were VARACHI in Austria in 1938 - they had asset files and there was one
VARACHA tailor {Johann} on Wipplingerstr in 1933. They do not appear in
Holocaust lists and are not in the ZF database either, so we have to look
elsewhere. As for VARSCHA - Cilli is the only one I have found so far. I have
found a VARSA buried in the ZF with a little boy Georg RADNAI. They sound very
Hungarian to me.

This is a difficult case.

Celia Male [U.K.]