Date   

Jacob MARX and Babette AACH #germany

Hank Lobbenberg
 

I am in a quandary about two ancestors.
The dates of birth, death and their children do not make sense and I am
unable to find out the facts.
Jacob MARX b. 1880 in Rachtig, Rhineland Palatinate and d. 22 December 1918
in Rachtig.
He married Babette AACH b. 1827 in Trier and d. 1880 in Newark, NJ.
Their children:
Gerson 1859 - 1914
Johanna 1863 - 1910
Leopold 1864 - 1867
Karoline 1866 - 1929

I would be very grateful if someone can find out the real dates of the
parents and children.

Henry LOBBENBERG, Toronto, ON Canada hank.lobben@rogers.com


Subj: ViewMate translation request from German to English #germany

mm847@...
 

I've posted a vital record in German for which I would like a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41496

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Any information is most appreciated.

Thank you very much. M. Hirsch


German SIG #Germany Jacob MARX and Babette AACH #germany

Hank Lobbenberg
 

I am in a quandary about two ancestors.
The dates of birth, death and their children do not make sense and I am
unable to find out the facts.
Jacob MARX b. 1880 in Rachtig, Rhineland Palatinate and d. 22 December 1918
in Rachtig.
He married Babette AACH b. 1827 in Trier and d. 1880 in Newark, NJ.
Their children:
Gerson 1859 - 1914
Johanna 1863 - 1910
Leopold 1864 - 1867
Karoline 1866 - 1929

I would be very grateful if someone can find out the real dates of the
parents and children.

Henry LOBBENBERG, Toronto, ON Canada hank.lobben@rogers.com


German SIG #Germany Subj: ViewMate translation request from German to English #germany

mm847@...
 

I've posted a vital record in German for which I would like a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41496

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Any information is most appreciated.

Thank you very much. M. Hirsch


Re: h-sig digest: July 28, 2015 - Slovakia's Jewish Heritage #hungary

alan.kolnik@...
 

There is a huge trove of Geiringer information available on the web. There
were many Geiringers eventually in Vienna, and several became quite famous -
e.g., the mathematician Hilda Geiringer.

My wife's family is descended >from a branch of the Geiringers, originally
apparently >from the village of Gajary-Geiring, 13 miles >from Stupava, which
seems obviously to be >from where the name was derived.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-544702

I have found old postcards offered for sale on the Internet for
Gajary-Geiring:

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,279997338,var,Slowakei-Slovakia-Gajary-
Geiring-1901-Zigeuner--cigani-reproduction,language,E.html

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,0186963430,language,E.html


Peter Rohel (Canada) did some exhaustive research on his family and included
a huge number of Geiringers in his research at

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/names/geir/geiringe
r.html#st


The oldest mention I have of the name is Leopold Yehuda (Jhuda) Geiringer
born 1774 in Stupava.

My wife's family on the Neurath side, which married into the Geiringers, was
from Vradiste just next to Holic, north of Stupava.
Apart >from her family, I have this reference:

Marriage, recorded in Bratislava Rabinate books: Samuel Geiringer Born
abt.1862 in Holic, son of Michael Geiringer and Johanna Appelfeld, residing
in Vienna, married 19.10.1884 Hedwig Jellinek, born abt.1867 in Vienna, dau
of Josef Jellinek and Kati Wallner, residing in Vienna


I have never been able to find any records >from Vradiste or Holic except as
references to people living elsewhere who were born there and wonder if
anyone has ever come across community records >from there.


Alan Kolnik
Maryland


ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary

jsrubinfeld@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Hungarian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41477
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Jacob rubin


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: h-sig digest: July 28, 2015 - Slovakia's Jewish Heritage #hungary

alan.kolnik@...
 

There is a huge trove of Geiringer information available on the web. There
were many Geiringers eventually in Vienna, and several became quite famous -
e.g., the mathematician Hilda Geiringer.

My wife's family is descended >from a branch of the Geiringers, originally
apparently >from the village of Gajary-Geiring, 13 miles >from Stupava, which
seems obviously to be >from where the name was derived.

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-544702

I have found old postcards offered for sale on the Internet for
Gajary-Geiring:

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,279997338,var,Slowakei-Slovakia-Gajary-
Geiring-1901-Zigeuner--cigani-reproduction,language,E.html

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,0186963430,language,E.html


Peter Rohel (Canada) did some exhaustive research on his family and included
a huge number of Geiringers in his research at

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~prohel/names/geir/geiringe
r.html#st


The oldest mention I have of the name is Leopold Yehuda (Jhuda) Geiringer
born 1774 in Stupava.

My wife's family on the Neurath side, which married into the Geiringers, was
from Vradiste just next to Holic, north of Stupava.
Apart >from her family, I have this reference:

Marriage, recorded in Bratislava Rabinate books: Samuel Geiringer Born
abt.1862 in Holic, son of Michael Geiringer and Johanna Appelfeld, residing
in Vienna, married 19.10.1884 Hedwig Jellinek, born abt.1867 in Vienna, dau
of Josef Jellinek and Kati Wallner, residing in Vienna


I have never been able to find any records >from Vradiste or Holic except as
references to people living elsewhere who were born there and wonder if
anyone has ever come across community records >from there.


Alan Kolnik
Maryland


Hungary SIG #Hungary ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary

jsrubinfeld@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Hungarian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41477
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Jacob rubin


Re: multiple families at one address #lithuania

David Ellis
 

Matt Tucker <mtuckr@gmail.com> wrote:
I am researching my family's records >from Pasvalys and Pumpian
Lithuania and am wondering if anyone has come across census records
where there are many families in one address.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I came across this in Revision List (census) records >from my ancestral town
of Butrimonys. The household (#196) where my gg-gf Iaker SIROTA lived
included people with both the surnames SIROTA and ZLOTNIK. I do not know
how the two families were related.

There was another household in the Revision List including people with 13
different surnames, and most of the people listed as living there were
marked as "Died" or "Disappeared". I do not have a reasonable explanation.

------
David J Ellis
7 Hampton Road
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@verizon.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: multiple families at one address #lithuania

David Ellis
 

Matt Tucker <mtuckr@gmail.com> wrote:
I am researching my family's records >from Pasvalys and Pumpian
Lithuania and am wondering if anyone has come across census records
where there are many families in one address.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I came across this in Revision List (census) records >from my ancestral town
of Butrimonys. The household (#196) where my gg-gf Iaker SIROTA lived
included people with both the surnames SIROTA and ZLOTNIK. I do not know
how the two families were related.

There was another household in the Revision List including people with 13
different surnames, and most of the people listed as living there were
marked as "Died" or "Disappeared". I do not have a reasonable explanation.

------
David J Ellis
7 Hampton Road
Natick, MA 01760
djemkitso@verizon.net


Galician draft records - Mielec #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

On July 27, Brooke Schreier Ganz <asparagirl@gmail.com> wrote,
in part:

<<... Several months ago, I requested and received copies of
FamilySearch microfilms that included some of the surviving Polish
military records for the Bohorodczany powiat (district) in Stanislawow
Voivodeship in interwar Poland...>>

Some years ago, JRI (Jewish Records Indexing-Poland) located several
collections of military draft records for Mielec (now in Poland) at the
Rzeszow Archives and most of the records are now included in the
JRI-Poland database (jri-poland.org). They are very similar to the
records that Brooke has described.

Information in the listings can (but doesn't always) include: house
number, birth year, birth town, marital status, father's name,
mother's name, occupation and place of residence.

As Brooke noted, such records provide precious information for a
community whose vital records are unavailable.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Mielec Town Leader, JRI-Poland
genmaven@gmail.com


ViewMate translation request - German #galicia

Yechezkel Anis <chatz@...>
 

Shalom Translators

I've posted a 1910 Galician death record in German for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41502
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,

Yechezkel Anis
Jerusalem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician draft records - Mielec #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

On July 27, Brooke Schreier Ganz <asparagirl@gmail.com> wrote,
in part:

<<... Several months ago, I requested and received copies of
FamilySearch microfilms that included some of the surviving Polish
military records for the Bohorodczany powiat (district) in Stanislawow
Voivodeship in interwar Poland...>>

Some years ago, JRI (Jewish Records Indexing-Poland) located several
collections of military draft records for Mielec (now in Poland) at the
Rzeszow Archives and most of the records are now included in the
JRI-Poland database (jri-poland.org). They are very similar to the
records that Brooke has described.

Information in the listings can (but doesn't always) include: house
number, birth year, birth town, marital status, father's name,
mother's name, occupation and place of residence.

As Brooke noted, such records provide precious information for a
community whose vital records are unavailable.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Mielec Town Leader, JRI-Poland
genmaven@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate translation request - German #galicia

Yechezkel Anis <chatz@...>
 

Shalom Translators

I've posted a 1910 Galician death record in German for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41502
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much,

Yechezkel Anis
Jerusalem


More about those military "draft board" records containing previously unavailable Jewish birth records #galicia

Brooke Schreier Ganz <asparagirl@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who wrote to me with nice comments about the
partial Jewish birth records discovered within the military "draft board"
records. Thank you especially to Tomasz Jankowski, who wrote to me that
"The original files were microfilmed at the State Archives of the
Ivano-Frankivsk Region >from the fonds of regional authority (starostwo
powiatowe)."

Tomasz is correct; FamilySearch (the LDS Church) apparently microfilmed
those records on site at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives, not at the Lviv
archives as I had previously written. The Lviv Archives do hold many
military records, but almost all of theirs are >from the Austrian (Galician)
era, not Polish period. FamilySearch lists them this way:

"Miltary [sic] records, 1865-1930"
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1713234

As usual, this FamilySearch microfilm set's title is misleading; those
records are nearly all >from the Austrian era, which was up basically only
through 1918, except for one item at the end of this record set that gives
medical test results >from 1920-1930 for military personnel born in 1883.

I personally haven't looked at those Austrian military records, but they
appear to be alphabetical by surname and then grouped by year, which
doesn't sound so bad to search through. If anyone has experience with
that record set, perhaps they could comment if the data is as helpful as
the later Polish records whose examples I posted the other day.

So, here's some more good news: I found even more of those excellent
Polish draft board records preserved and filmed by FamilySearch. It is
sadly not easy or intuitive to find these records in the FamilySearch
catalog if you do a search by location, but if you leave the location field
blank, then do a combination of keyword searching and subsequent
filtering of the results based on Polish language, it yields a much bigger
list of records.

The main takeaway is that there is at least one more large record set of
"draft board" files available, besides the Bohorodczany powiat and
Stanislawow powiat records mentioned in my previous message to the
listserve. And that would be the Sniatyn powiat records for 1920-1939
-- again, this is a fortuitous record set to be preserved, since many of the
smaller towns in the Sniatyn area had few or no 19th century Jewish vital
records that survived. Or didn't until now, I guess. Czernowitz [Chernivtsy]
researchers might want to look at this record set, too, since that area
borders the Sniatyn area.

So, to sum up, the three largest collections of "draft board" records each
cover multiple towns in the former Stanislawow Voivodeship, and each
have many records available for many years:

#1: "Miltary [sic] records, 1884-1910"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Bohorodczany
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Bohorodchany area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447115
NOTE: All the example images linked in my previous message to the
listserve came >from this record set. I am pretty sure that these records do
cover all towns in the powiat, even the very small towns.

#2a: "Miltary [sic] records, 1883-1939"
and
#2b: "Military records, 1903-1938"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Stanislawow
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Ivano-Frankivsk area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1382964
and
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383712
NOTE: It is unclear why these two collections of records are given
separate catalog entries; they should probably be combined as they
cover the same area and complementary years.

#3: "Miltary [sic] records, 1920-1939"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Sniatyn powiat,
Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the Sniatyn area,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447114
NOTE: This record set is very poorly named; according to the record
descriptions, these files actually cover men born >from 1890 up through
1921, but with several years missing.

I also found these two new smaller collections:

#4: "Miltary [sic] records, 1928-1938"
[actually recruits born in 1890 and 1896]
It is unclear whether this is just for the town of Kolomyya,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine or whether it refers to multiple towns
within the former Kolomyja [Kolomea] powiat
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

#5: "Military records, 1938" [actually recruits born in 1917]
Jablonow -- now Yabluniv, Kolomyya region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447111

The following towns were all in Stanislawow powiat in Interwar Poland,
and all have single record sets in the FamilySearch catalog labeled
simply "Military records, 1924", which >from the record descriptions
were all for recruits born in 1903:

- Knihinin -- absorbed into the city of Stanislawow, now Ivano-Frankivsk,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383698

- Pawelcze [Pavelche] -- now Pavlivka, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383699

- Perlowce -- now Perlivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

- Podbereze -- now Poberezhzhya, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk
oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383703

- Podluze -- now Pidluzhzhya, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383705

- Pukasowce -- now Pukasivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383707

- Radcza -- now Radcha, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383708

- Rybno -- now Rybne, Ivano-Frankivs'ka oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383709

- Sielec [Selets] -- now Silets, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383710

- Sobotow [Subotow] -- now Subotiv, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383713

- Uhrynow Dolny -- now Uhryniv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383715

So, lots of records available!

To sum up: if you have late 19th century or early 20th century ancestry
from the southern part of what was once the Stanislawow region, but
your family comes >from a town where the conventional wisdom is that
"the records didn't survive", you might want to take a look at these
military records to see if they could be a useful substitute.

Good luck!


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia More about those military "draft board" records containing previously unavailable Jewish birth records #galicia

Brooke Schreier Ganz <asparagirl@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who wrote to me with nice comments about the
partial Jewish birth records discovered within the military "draft board"
records. Thank you especially to Tomasz Jankowski, who wrote to me that
"The original files were microfilmed at the State Archives of the
Ivano-Frankivsk Region >from the fonds of regional authority (starostwo
powiatowe)."

Tomasz is correct; FamilySearch (the LDS Church) apparently microfilmed
those records on site at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives, not at the Lviv
archives as I had previously written. The Lviv Archives do hold many
military records, but almost all of theirs are >from the Austrian (Galician)
era, not Polish period. FamilySearch lists them this way:

"Miltary [sic] records, 1865-1930"
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1713234

As usual, this FamilySearch microfilm set's title is misleading; those
records are nearly all >from the Austrian era, which was up basically only
through 1918, except for one item at the end of this record set that gives
medical test results >from 1920-1930 for military personnel born in 1883.

I personally haven't looked at those Austrian military records, but they
appear to be alphabetical by surname and then grouped by year, which
doesn't sound so bad to search through. If anyone has experience with
that record set, perhaps they could comment if the data is as helpful as
the later Polish records whose examples I posted the other day.

So, here's some more good news: I found even more of those excellent
Polish draft board records preserved and filmed by FamilySearch. It is
sadly not easy or intuitive to find these records in the FamilySearch
catalog if you do a search by location, but if you leave the location field
blank, then do a combination of keyword searching and subsequent
filtering of the results based on Polish language, it yields a much bigger
list of records.

The main takeaway is that there is at least one more large record set of
"draft board" files available, besides the Bohorodczany powiat and
Stanislawow powiat records mentioned in my previous message to the
listserve. And that would be the Sniatyn powiat records for 1920-1939
-- again, this is a fortuitous record set to be preserved, since many of the
smaller towns in the Sniatyn area had few or no 19th century Jewish vital
records that survived. Or didn't until now, I guess. Czernowitz [Chernivtsy]
researchers might want to look at this record set, too, since that area
borders the Sniatyn area.

So, to sum up, the three largest collections of "draft board" records each
cover multiple towns in the former Stanislawow Voivodeship, and each
have many records available for many years:

#1: "Miltary [sic] records, 1884-1910"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Bohorodczany
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Bohorodchany area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447115
NOTE: All the example images linked in my previous message to the
listserve came >from this record set. I am pretty sure that these records do
cover all towns in the powiat, even the very small towns.

#2a: "Miltary [sic] records, 1883-1939"
and
#2b: "Military records, 1903-1938"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Stanislawow
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Ivano-Frankivsk area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1382964
and
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383712
NOTE: It is unclear why these two collections of records are given
separate catalog entries; they should probably be combined as they
cover the same area and complementary years.

#3: "Miltary [sic] records, 1920-1939"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Sniatyn powiat,
Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the Sniatyn area,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447114
NOTE: This record set is very poorly named; according to the record
descriptions, these files actually cover men born >from 1890 up through
1921, but with several years missing.

I also found these two new smaller collections:

#4: "Miltary [sic] records, 1928-1938"
[actually recruits born in 1890 and 1896]
It is unclear whether this is just for the town of Kolomyya,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine or whether it refers to multiple towns
within the former Kolomyja [Kolomea] powiat
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

#5: "Military records, 1938" [actually recruits born in 1917]
Jablonow -- now Yabluniv, Kolomyya region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447111

The following towns were all in Stanislawow powiat in Interwar Poland,
and all have single record sets in the FamilySearch catalog labeled
simply "Military records, 1924", which >from the record descriptions
were all for recruits born in 1903:

- Knihinin -- absorbed into the city of Stanislawow, now Ivano-Frankivsk,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383698

- Pawelcze [Pavelche] -- now Pavlivka, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383699

- Perlowce -- now Perlivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

- Podbereze -- now Poberezhzhya, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk
oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383703

- Podluze -- now Pidluzhzhya, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383705

- Pukasowce -- now Pukasivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383707

- Radcza -- now Radcha, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383708

- Rybno -- now Rybne, Ivano-Frankivs'ka oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383709

- Sielec [Selets] -- now Silets, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383710

- Sobotow [Subotow] -- now Subotiv, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk,
Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383713

- Uhrynow Dolny -- now Uhryniv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383715

So, lots of records available!

To sum up: if you have late 19th century or early 20th century ancestry
from the southern part of what was once the Stanislawow region, but
your family comes >from a town where the conventional wisdom is that
"the records didn't survive", you might want to take a look at these
military records to see if they could be a useful substitute.

Good luck!


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California


Multiple families at one address #lithuania

Dorothy Leivers <dorfleiv@...>
 

I suggest you redo the search using the All Lithuania Database where
you will find a little more information
http://www.litvaksig.org/index.php/component/litvaksearch/?view=ald
or become a qualified contributor to the Panevezys District Research
Group and obtain access to the excel spreadsheets this data came from.
A contribution of $100 US provides access for a 5 year period and the
files are downloadable to your computer.

Donations can be made at http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute

Multifamily occupancy was not rare. Households could and did
include multi generations and relatives. You have found clues
to the wider family for your research.

Happy hunting,

Dorothy Leivers


From: Matt Tucker <mtuckr@gmail.com>:
Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:23:54 -0400

I am researching my
family's records >from Pasvalys and Pumpian
Lithuania and am wondering if anyone
has come across census records
where there are many families in one address.
Sometimes they are
listed with multiple last names or hyphenated last names.
Does anyone
know if this is because many families were trying to settle a
new
community? Were there communal farms?


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Multiple families at one address #lithuania

Dorothy Leivers <dorfleiv@...>
 

I suggest you redo the search using the All Lithuania Database where
you will find a little more information
http://www.litvaksig.org/index.php/component/litvaksearch/?view=ald
or become a qualified contributor to the Panevezys District Research
Group and obtain access to the excel spreadsheets this data came from.
A contribution of $100 US provides access for a 5 year period and the
files are downloadable to your computer.

Donations can be made at http://www.litvaksig.org/contribute

Multifamily occupancy was not rare. Households could and did
include multi generations and relatives. You have found clues
to the wider family for your research.

Happy hunting,

Dorothy Leivers


From: Matt Tucker <mtuckr@gmail.com>:
Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:23:54 -0400

I am researching my
family's records >from Pasvalys and Pumpian
Lithuania and am wondering if anyone
has come across census records
where there are many families in one address.
Sometimes they are
listed with multiple last names or hyphenated last names.
Does anyone
know if this is because many families were trying to settle a
new
community? Were there communal farms?


More about those military "draft board" records containing previously unavailable Jewish birth records #poland

Asparagirl <asparagirl@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who wrote to me with nice comments about the
partial Jewish birth records discovered within the military "draft
board" records. Thank you especially to Tomasz Jankowski, who wrote to
me that "The original files were microfilmed at the State Archives of
the Ivano-Frankivsk Region >from the fonds of regional authority
(starostwo powiatowe)."

Tomasz is correct; FamilySearch (the LDS Church) apparently
microfilmed those records on site at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives, not
at the Lviv archives as I had previously written. The Lviv Archives
do hold many military records, but almost all of theirs are >from the
Austrian (Galician) era, not Polish period. FamilySearch lists them
this way:

"Miltary [sic] records, 1865-1930"
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1713234

As usual, this FamilySearch microfilm set's title is misleading; those
records are nearly all >from the Austrian era, which was up basically
only through 1918, except for one item at the end of this record set
that gives medical test results >from 1920-1930 for military personnel
born in 1883.

I personally haven't looked at those Austrian military records, but
they appear to be alphabetical by surname and then grouped by year,
which doesn't sound so bad to search through. If anyone has experience
with that record set, perhaps they could comment if the data is as
helpful as the later Polish records whose examples I posted the other
day.

So, here's some more good news: I found even more of those excellent
Polish draft board records preserved and filmed by FamilySearch. It
is sadly not easy or intuitive to find these records in the
FamilySearch catalog if you do a search by location, but if you leave
the location field blank, then do a combination of keyword searching
and subsequent filtering of the results based on Polish language, it
yields a much bigger list of records.

The main takeaway is that there is at least one more large record set
of "draft board" files available, besides the Bohorodczany powiat and
Stanislawow powiat records mentioned in my previous message to the
listserve. And that would be the Sniatyn powiat records for 1920-1939
-- again, this is a fortuitous record set to be preserved, since many
of the smaller towns in the Sniatyn area had few or no 19th century
Jewish vital records that survived. Or didn't until now, I guess.
Czernowitz [Chernivtsy] researchers might want to look at this record
set, too, since that area borders the Sniatyn area.

So, to sum up, the three largest collections of "draft board" records
each cover multiple towns in the former Stanislawow Voivodeship, and
each have many records available for many years:

#1: "Miltary [sic] records, 1884-1910"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Bohorodczany
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Bohorodchany area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447115
NOTE: All the example images linked in my previous message to the
listserve came >from this record set. I am pretty sure that these
records do cover all towns in the powiat, even the very small towns.

#2a: "Miltary [sic] records, 1883-1939"
and
#2b: "Military records, 1903-1938"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Stanislawow
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Ivano-Frankivsk area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1382964
and
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383712
NOTE: It is unclear why these two collections of records are given
separate catalog entries; they should probably be combined as they
cover the same area and complementary years.

#3: "Miltary [sic] records, 1920-1939"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Sniatyn
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the Sniatyn
area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447114
NOTE: This record set is very poorly named; according to the record
descriptions, these files actually cover men born >from 1890 up through
1921, but with several years missing.

I also found these two new smaller collections:

#4: "Miltary [sic] records, 1928-1938" [actually recruits born in 1890 and 1896]
It is unclear whether this is just for the town of Kolomyya,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine or whether it refers to multiple towns
within the former Kolomyja [Kolomea] powiat
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

#5: "Military records, 1938" [actually recruits born in 1917]
Jablonow -- now Yabluniv, Kolomyya region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447111

The following towns were all in Stanislawow powiat in Interwar Poland,
and all have single record sets in the FamilySearch catalog labeled
simply "Military records, 1924", which >from the record descriptions
were all for recruits born in 1903:

- Knihinin -- absorbed into the city of Stanislawow, now
Ivano-Frankivsk, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383698

- Pawelcze [Pavelche] -- now Pavlivka, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383699

- Perlowce -- now Perlivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

- Podbereze -- now Poberezhzhya, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383703

- Podluze -- now Pidluzhzhya, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383705

- Pukasowce -- now Pukasivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383707

- Radcza -- now Radcha, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383708

- Rybno -- now Rybne, Ivano-Frankivs'ka oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383709

- Sielec [Selets] -- now Silets, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383710

- Sobotow [Subotow] -- now Subotiv, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383713

- Uhrynow Dolny -- now Uhryniv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383715

So, lots of records available!

To sum up: if you have late 19th century or early 20th century
ancestry >from the southern part of what was once the Stanislawow
region, but your family comes >from a town where the conventional
wisdom is that "the records didn't survive", you might want to take a
look at these military records to see if they could be a useful
substitute.

Good luck!


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California


JRI Poland #Poland More about those military "draft board" records containing previously unavailable Jewish birth records #poland

Asparagirl <asparagirl@...>
 

Thank you to everyone who wrote to me with nice comments about the
partial Jewish birth records discovered within the military "draft
board" records. Thank you especially to Tomasz Jankowski, who wrote to
me that "The original files were microfilmed at the State Archives of
the Ivano-Frankivsk Region >from the fonds of regional authority
(starostwo powiatowe)."

Tomasz is correct; FamilySearch (the LDS Church) apparently
microfilmed those records on site at the Ivano-Frankivsk archives, not
at the Lviv archives as I had previously written. The Lviv Archives
do hold many military records, but almost all of theirs are >from the
Austrian (Galician) era, not Polish period. FamilySearch lists them
this way:

"Miltary [sic] records, 1865-1930"
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1713234

As usual, this FamilySearch microfilm set's title is misleading; those
records are nearly all >from the Austrian era, which was up basically
only through 1918, except for one item at the end of this record set
that gives medical test results >from 1920-1930 for military personnel
born in 1883.

I personally haven't looked at those Austrian military records, but
they appear to be alphabetical by surname and then grouped by year,
which doesn't sound so bad to search through. If anyone has experience
with that record set, perhaps they could comment if the data is as
helpful as the later Polish records whose examples I posted the other
day.

So, here's some more good news: I found even more of those excellent
Polish draft board records preserved and filmed by FamilySearch. It
is sadly not easy or intuitive to find these records in the
FamilySearch catalog if you do a search by location, but if you leave
the location field blank, then do a combination of keyword searching
and subsequent filtering of the results based on Polish language, it
yields a much bigger list of records.

The main takeaway is that there is at least one more large record set
of "draft board" files available, besides the Bohorodczany powiat and
Stanislawow powiat records mentioned in my previous message to the
listserve. And that would be the Sniatyn powiat records for 1920-1939
-- again, this is a fortuitous record set to be preserved, since many
of the smaller towns in the Sniatyn area had few or no 19th century
Jewish vital records that survived. Or didn't until now, I guess.
Czernowitz [Chernivtsy] researchers might want to look at this record
set, too, since that area borders the Sniatyn area.

So, to sum up, the three largest collections of "draft board" records
each cover multiple towns in the former Stanislawow Voivodeship, and
each have many records available for many years:

#1: "Miltary [sic] records, 1884-1910"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Bohorodczany
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Bohorodchany area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447115
NOTE: All the example images linked in my previous message to the
listserve came >from this record set. I am pretty sure that these
records do cover all towns in the powiat, even the very small towns.

#2a: "Miltary [sic] records, 1883-1939"
and
#2b: "Military records, 1903-1938"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Stanislawow
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the
Ivano-Frankivsk area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1382964
and
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383712
NOTE: It is unclear why these two collections of records are given
separate catalog entries; they should probably be combined as they
cover the same area and complementary years.

#3: "Miltary [sic] records, 1920-1939"
Covers multiple towns (perhaps all towns?) in the former Sniatyn
powiat, Stanislawow Voivodeship, Interwar Poland -- now the Sniatyn
area, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447114
NOTE: This record set is very poorly named; according to the record
descriptions, these files actually cover men born >from 1890 up through
1921, but with several years missing.

I also found these two new smaller collections:

#4: "Miltary [sic] records, 1928-1938" [actually recruits born in 1890 and 1896]
It is unclear whether this is just for the town of Kolomyya,
Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine or whether it refers to multiple towns
within the former Kolomyja [Kolomea] powiat
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

#5: "Military records, 1938" [actually recruits born in 1917]
Jablonow -- now Yabluniv, Kolomyya region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1447111

The following towns were all in Stanislawow powiat in Interwar Poland,
and all have single record sets in the FamilySearch catalog labeled
simply "Military records, 1924", which >from the record descriptions
were all for recruits born in 1903:

- Knihinin -- absorbed into the city of Stanislawow, now
Ivano-Frankivsk, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383698

- Pawelcze [Pavelche] -- now Pavlivka, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383699

- Perlowce -- now Perlivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383009

- Podbereze -- now Poberezhzhya, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383703

- Podluze -- now Pidluzhzhya, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383705

- Pukasowce -- now Pukasivtsi, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383707

- Radcza -- now Radcha, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383708

- Rybno -- now Rybne, Ivano-Frankivs'ka oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383709

- Sielec [Selets] -- now Silets, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk oblast, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383710

- Sobotow [Subotow] -- now Subotiv, Halych region, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383713

- Uhrynow Dolny -- now Uhryniv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1383715

So, lots of records available!

To sum up: if you have late 19th century or early 20th century
ancestry >from the southern part of what was once the Stanislawow
region, but your family comes >from a town where the conventional
wisdom is that "the records didn't survive", you might want to take a
look at these military records to see if they could be a useful
substitute.

Good luck!


- Brooke Schreier Ganz
Mill Valley, California

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