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Visiting Romania #general

Anna Velardi <amvelardi@...>
 

My mother's first cousin is taking a trip to Romania. Our family, the Moskowitz
family, was >from a little town called Tiganesti or Tsyganeshty. I found it in
Where Once We Walked, if I got it right. It was destroyed, as far as we know,
during the war. I believe the modern town with the same name was moved slightly
(my theory being the Romanians didn't want to be where they killed the Jews). When
our family had to put down a place they were from, they usually wrote Iasi, even
before the war. They formed a burial society called True Family Circle, and are
buried in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. We have never heard of anyone else
being >from this place. She is going to be in Bucharest only and won't be able to
get to Iasi or find Tiganesti, which we have always pronounced Zi-ganosh. My
cousin's father is the last surviving member of our family that remembers that
place and he is 96 years old and having trouble with getting things clearly, so we
have no one to confirm or deny anything. Does anyone have any ideas as to resources
she can access in Bucharest? Is there somewhere she can find information about our
town? We are open to any and all suggestions. Also, on the other side of my family
(not this cousin's side), I have a great-aunt, Evgenia (or Ganya) Schneider (or
Shnayder, as they spelled it then) that disappeared during the war into Russia and
wasn't never heard >from again. I wouldn't want to send this cousin on any chases to
find her, but I am sure she would get me addresses, etc. if there were any
resources to tap. Any help is much appreciated. I don't know the protocol, but if
you need to reply privately, my e-mail is amvelardi@... thank you,
Anne Velardi
Anchorage, AK

MODERATOR NOTE: You might want to check out the resources and the discussion group
for the Romanian SIG (Special Interest Group) at http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Visiting Romania #general

Anna Velardi <amvelardi@...>
 

My mother's first cousin is taking a trip to Romania. Our family, the Moskowitz
family, was >from a little town called Tiganesti or Tsyganeshty. I found it in
Where Once We Walked, if I got it right. It was destroyed, as far as we know,
during the war. I believe the modern town with the same name was moved slightly
(my theory being the Romanians didn't want to be where they killed the Jews). When
our family had to put down a place they were from, they usually wrote Iasi, even
before the war. They formed a burial society called True Family Circle, and are
buried in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. We have never heard of anyone else
being >from this place. She is going to be in Bucharest only and won't be able to
get to Iasi or find Tiganesti, which we have always pronounced Zi-ganosh. My
cousin's father is the last surviving member of our family that remembers that
place and he is 96 years old and having trouble with getting things clearly, so we
have no one to confirm or deny anything. Does anyone have any ideas as to resources
she can access in Bucharest? Is there somewhere she can find information about our
town? We are open to any and all suggestions. Also, on the other side of my family
(not this cousin's side), I have a great-aunt, Evgenia (or Ganya) Schneider (or
Shnayder, as they spelled it then) that disappeared during the war into Russia and
wasn't never heard >from again. I wouldn't want to send this cousin on any chases to
find her, but I am sure she would get me addresses, etc. if there were any
resources to tap. Any help is much appreciated. I don't know the protocol, but if
you need to reply privately, my e-mail is amvelardi@... thank you,
Anne Velardi
Anchorage, AK

MODERATOR NOTE: You might want to check out the resources and the discussion group
for the Romanian SIG (Special Interest Group) at http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/


Hebrew Date conversions to Gregorian #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

Hello Genners,

I recently came across another site for Hebrew to Gregorian, Gregorian to Hebrew
date converter. It is hebcal.com, simple to access, and to use.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Date conversions to Gregorian #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

Hello Genners,

I recently came across another site for Hebrew to Gregorian, Gregorian to Hebrew
date converter. It is hebcal.com, simple to access, and to use.

Annette Stolberg,
Rochester, NY


Surname HAENLE #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Folks,

Can someone tell me what the German (Jewish) surname HAENLE means?

Best, Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Surname HAENLE #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Folks,

Can someone tell me what the German (Jewish) surname HAENLE means?

Best, Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona


Re: cemetery translation: "Abba" #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Dear Jgenners:

I agree with the person who claimed that this inscription gives the man's name as
Abba ben Abba (which would indeed mean that the father had died between the son's
conception and his birth).

Contrary to an earlier suggestion, the name Abba has no connection with Abraham;
indeed it appears nowhere in the Bible. But it is a very common name of many
rabbis mentioned in the Talmud. However, I would point out that Abba is always
transliterated with two "b"s. That's because the letter bet in the name Abba
contains a *dagesh hazaq* ("strong stress-dot") -- which is Hebrew's way of
indicating a doubled consonant (I won't bore you with the grammatical reasons.)
We don't actually see the *dagesh* in the letter bet, because tombstone
inscriptions show only the consonants. But it is in fact a "double-bet"-- hence
must be spelled with two "b"s in Latin alphabet transliteration.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: cemetery translation: "Abba" #general

Wegner, Peter
 

Dear Jgenners:

I agree with the person who claimed that this inscription gives the man's name as
Abba ben Abba (which would indeed mean that the father had died between the son's
conception and his birth).

Contrary to an earlier suggestion, the name Abba has no connection with Abraham;
indeed it appears nowhere in the Bible. But it is a very common name of many
rabbis mentioned in the Talmud. However, I would point out that Abba is always
transliterated with two "b"s. That's because the letter bet in the name Abba
contains a *dagesh hazaq* ("strong stress-dot") -- which is Hebrew's way of
indicating a doubled consonant (I won't bore you with the grammatical reasons.)
We don't actually see the *dagesh* in the letter bet, because tombstone
inscriptions show only the consonants. But it is in fact a "double-bet"-- hence
must be spelled with two "b"s in Latin alphabet transliteration.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


Don't depend on family members reading your posting. #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I have noticed the posters of late, seem to assuming only family members are going
to help their search. The chance of a family member actually reading your post in a
reasonable amount of time is very slim. I am not saying it never happens, because
it does. There are just more faster ways to get a result.

There are many genealogists and researchers on this site that are always willing to
help. And in many cases can answer your question or put you in touch with the
family members you are looking for. But you have to provide at least some basic
information if you want their help.

What seems to be missing lately is approximate time frames, birth and death
information. And, what country your relative is from, unless your post on a country
specific list.

First of all, when did all this occur? Even if you don't know the exact date,
provide some estimate. Such as early 20th century, late 19th century, 1850s or
right after WWII.

Second, always give an approximate birth date if known. Many people have the same
name, so knowing their age is necessary to narrow down which John Smithski is
yours. And if a death date is available, give that as well. In many cases this can
significantly narrow down the search time.

Finally, provide a country if you know one. Providing a town is a wonderful, but if
your relative immigrated to another country, they more likely indexed by the
country they lived or were born in, rather than the city. And even though family
members may know which country the city you mention is in, a researcher, much less
anyone one reading the posting may not. Or if the town is found in multiple
countries, they will not know which one you are writing about.

The reality, is that most likely your posting is not going to be looked at by a
family member and additionally, if a researcher is looking at two postings, and one
has the above information and one doesn't,they are going to take the one that does.

Note any additional information is a plus for you. If known, adding parents, spouse
and sibling and other relatives information, gives you even a better chance that
your posting will be picked up and researched first.

Last of all, once you are contacted by a researcher, make sure it is clear what you
actually know >from records, and what is oral history or a guess. If they are
constantly finding errors they may drop your case. Also, if you get new
information, whether on your own, or >from another researcher, immediately let any
other researchers know. There is nothing more frustrating that searching many hours
or days for something that the poster already has in his possession.

So, providing the right information will give you the best chance of finding the
information you are looking for.

Shalom Shalom,
Yehudah ben Shlomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Don't depend on family members reading your posting. #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

I have noticed the posters of late, seem to assuming only family members are going
to help their search. The chance of a family member actually reading your post in a
reasonable amount of time is very slim. I am not saying it never happens, because
it does. There are just more faster ways to get a result.

There are many genealogists and researchers on this site that are always willing to
help. And in many cases can answer your question or put you in touch with the
family members you are looking for. But you have to provide at least some basic
information if you want their help.

What seems to be missing lately is approximate time frames, birth and death
information. And, what country your relative is from, unless your post on a country
specific list.

First of all, when did all this occur? Even if you don't know the exact date,
provide some estimate. Such as early 20th century, late 19th century, 1850s or
right after WWII.

Second, always give an approximate birth date if known. Many people have the same
name, so knowing their age is necessary to narrow down which John Smithski is
yours. And if a death date is available, give that as well. In many cases this can
significantly narrow down the search time.

Finally, provide a country if you know one. Providing a town is a wonderful, but if
your relative immigrated to another country, they more likely indexed by the
country they lived or were born in, rather than the city. And even though family
members may know which country the city you mention is in, a researcher, much less
anyone one reading the posting may not. Or if the town is found in multiple
countries, they will not know which one you are writing about.

The reality, is that most likely your posting is not going to be looked at by a
family member and additionally, if a researcher is looking at two postings, and one
has the above information and one doesn't,they are going to take the one that does.

Note any additional information is a plus for you. If known, adding parents, spouse
and sibling and other relatives information, gives you even a better chance that
your posting will be picked up and researched first.

Last of all, once you are contacted by a researcher, make sure it is clear what you
actually know >from records, and what is oral history or a guess. If they are
constantly finding errors they may drop your case. Also, if you get new
information, whether on your own, or >from another researcher, immediately let any
other researchers know. There is nothing more frustrating that searching many hours
or days for something that the poster already has in his possession.

So, providing the right information will give you the best chance of finding the
information you are looking for.

Shalom Shalom,
Yehudah ben Shlomo


News From Chicago #germany

JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator
 

At a large public meeting Tuesday night, August 19th, GerSIG's parent
organization, JewishGen, and the commercial (for profit) genealogy
website Ancestry.com announced that they have entered into a
cooperative agreement. Details of the new partnership will be
available widely in the days ahead. The new arrangement will solve
several financial and technical problems faced by JewishGen but the
not for profit, not for fee policy that has guided JewishGen >from its
start will not change.

I have received an inquiry >from a GerSIG subscriber asking why he has
not received any GerSIG list mail for the past few days. The answer
is that none of you have sent anything to the list. I have had no
messages to moderate.

Your Moderator


German SIG #Germany News From Chicago #germany

JewishGen German Research Division Coordinator
 

At a large public meeting Tuesday night, August 19th, GerSIG's parent
organization, JewishGen, and the commercial (for profit) genealogy
website Ancestry.com announced that they have entered into a
cooperative agreement. Details of the new partnership will be
available widely in the days ahead. The new arrangement will solve
several financial and technical problems faced by JewishGen but the
not for profit, not for fee policy that has guided JewishGen >from its
start will not change.

I have received an inquiry >from a GerSIG subscriber asking why he has
not received any GerSIG list mail for the past few days. The answer
is that none of you have sent anything to the list. I have had no
messages to moderate.

Your Moderator


Re: Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL, Tzemach Tzedek #rabbinic

Nitsan R <nitsanri@...>
 

On 2008.08.14, David Dubin <David.Dubin@...> asked:

Would anyone know of a genealogy of Rabbi Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL,
author of Tzemach Tzedek? [...]
R' Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL b. 1600 in Cracow d. 1661 in Nikelsburg.
He was married to Minka Serkes Yaffe. They had 3 children.

1. Pessel
2. Gitel Timna
3. David Arye Jehuda Leib

Pessel KROCHMAN was married to David ISSERL b. 1627 d. 1717. He was
A"BAD in Trebitz. They had 2 children

1. Menachem Mendel II ISSERL
2. Israel ISSERL

Menachem Mendel ISSERL had a son R' Arieh Jehuda Leib
ISSERL-Basskevitch.

Gitel Timan KROCHMAL was married to Gershon ASHKENAZI ULIP. They
had 2 children beside the daughter mentioned

1. Joseph ASHKENAZI ULIP
2. Chana ASHKENAZI ULOP who was married to Jakob Koppel KROCHMAL.
They were cousins.

David Arye Jehuda Leib was A"BD in Nikelsburg. He was married to
Beila HELLER

Nitsan Richter
Jerusalem, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL, Tzemach Tzedek #rabbinic

Nitsan R <nitsanri@...>
 

On 2008.08.14, David Dubin <David.Dubin@...> asked:

Would anyone know of a genealogy of Rabbi Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL,
author of Tzemach Tzedek? [...]
R' Menachem Mendel KROCHMAL b. 1600 in Cracow d. 1661 in Nikelsburg.
He was married to Minka Serkes Yaffe. They had 3 children.

1. Pessel
2. Gitel Timna
3. David Arye Jehuda Leib

Pessel KROCHMAN was married to David ISSERL b. 1627 d. 1717. He was
A"BAD in Trebitz. They had 2 children

1. Menachem Mendel II ISSERL
2. Israel ISSERL

Menachem Mendel ISSERL had a son R' Arieh Jehuda Leib
ISSERL-Basskevitch.

Gitel Timan KROCHMAL was married to Gershon ASHKENAZI ULIP. They
had 2 children beside the daughter mentioned

1. Joseph ASHKENAZI ULIP
2. Chana ASHKENAZI ULOP who was married to Jakob Koppel KROCHMAL.
They were cousins.

David Arye Jehuda Leib was A"BD in Nikelsburg. He was married to
Beila HELLER

Nitsan Richter
Jerusalem, Israel


cemetery translation #general

Esther Snyder <snydere@...>
 

It seems to me that its written that he is the son of Zev. It looks like the letters
are Bet apostrophe, zayin aleph bet. The Bet and apostrophe meaning son of. Zayin
aleph bet (or vet) = Zev
Esther Snyder
Petah Tikva


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen cemetery translation #general

Esther Snyder <snydere@...>
 

It seems to me that its written that he is the son of Zev. It looks like the letters
are Bet apostrophe, zayin aleph bet. The Bet and apostrophe meaning son of. Zayin
aleph bet (or vet) = Zev
Esther Snyder
Petah Tikva


Prague Conscriptions Zettel - 318,838 more names #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have happily been using the Czech version of this invaluable
database:
http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky/

which shows 555,291 records. The digitisation is proceeding
alphabetically and had hardly reached the letter *K*.

I knew something was amiss when Peter Bakos asked me to research
his newly-discovered LEDETSCH family which he had found on this
database. I tried and tried and found only two: BRANDEIS/LEDETSCH
and FRIEDLANDER/LEDETSCH, yet Peter found 21. I was dubious but
now all has been revealed.

The original [and presumably the authentic] Czech version has only
555,291 records and the English version, which Peter has been using,
has 874,129 records including LEDETSCH! There are now over 3,000
Prague KOHN records, but in the English version only.

How this discrepancy has come about is anyone's guess but let's
explore our new-found bonanza and see what treasures are revealed.

A very puzzled, yet very happy, researcher. I wonder if the archives
in Prague know?

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Prague Conscriptions Zettel - 318,838 more names #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have happily been using the Czech version of this invaluable
database:
http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky/

which shows 555,291 records. The digitisation is proceeding
alphabetically and had hardly reached the letter *K*.

I knew something was amiss when Peter Bakos asked me to research
his newly-discovered LEDETSCH family which he had found on this
database. I tried and tried and found only two: BRANDEIS/LEDETSCH
and FRIEDLANDER/LEDETSCH, yet Peter found 21. I was dubious but
now all has been revealed.

The original [and presumably the authentic] Czech version has only
555,291 records and the English version, which Peter has been using,
has 874,129 records including LEDETSCH! There are now over 3,000
Prague KOHN records, but in the English version only.

How this discrepancy has come about is anyone's guess but let's
explore our new-found bonanza and see what treasures are revealed.

A very puzzled, yet very happy, researcher. I wonder if the archives
in Prague know?

Celia Male - London, U.K.


wedding picture VM12232 #austria-czech

Sara <sararu70@...>
 

Hope someone will recognize this couple. We believe it is the
daughter of Meyer and Feige DATTLE. Have no other information
about this picure. See it on Viewmate --VM12232

Sara RUBIN
NEW KENSINGTON. PA 15068
sararu70@...


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech wedding picture VM12232 #austria-czech

Sara <sararu70@...>
 

Hope someone will recognize this couple. We believe it is the
daughter of Meyer and Feige DATTLE. Have no other information
about this picure. See it on Viewmate --VM12232

Sara RUBIN
NEW KENSINGTON. PA 15068
sararu70@...