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Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
JewishGen is very pleased to announce that JewishGen.org,
the premier resource for Jewish genealogy, and Ancestry.com, the largest online resource for family history information, have entered into a cooperative agreement. Basics of the agreement: * JewishGen will make some of its databases available on the Ancestry website. * Ancestry will provide hardware and network support for the JewishGen website. Benefits of the agreement: * JewishGen will be able to provide more robust and functional resources to genealogists throughout the world. * Specific and immediate improvements will be seen in the speed of the JewishGen website, along with greater accessibility when searching databases. * More people will be exposed to Jewish genealogy and have access to a greater range of resources to assist in researching family history. * JewishGen’s comprehensive records and information, contributed by volunteers >from around the world, will continue to remain freely available on JewishGen.org. Details of the agreement: * JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization, affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. * There will be no change to the JewishGen management team, structure or affiliation with the museum. * This new agreement, combined with the generosity of our donors throughout the world, will allow us to continue offering all of JewishGen’s extensive resources for no charge. * All of the JewishGen data licensed to Ancestry will be freely available on the Ancestry.com website without charge. * Privacy of personal information for JewishGen users is of key importance to us. Information about JewishGen registrants will *not* be shared. * Personal information stored on JewishGen, such as data in the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and the Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP), will *not* be shared with Ancestry. * JewishGen will continue to independently administer the JewishGen website, mailing lists and affiliates. * There will be no changes to the content of the JewishGen website, or any of JewishGen's programs or mailing lists. JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization. Further information, including Ancestry's press release, is available at the JewishGen blog: < http://jewishgen.blogspot.com >. A FactSheet about the agreement is being prepared. We welcome your questions and concerns. *All* questions will be answered on the JewishGen blog. Warren Warren Blatt Managing Director, JewishGen <wblatt@...>
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JewishGen and Ancestry.com
#southafrica
Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
JewishGen is very pleased to announce that JewishGen.org,
the premier resource for Jewish genealogy, and Ancestry.com, the largest online resource for family history information, have entered into a cooperative agreement. Basics of the agreement: * JewishGen will make some of its databases available on the Ancestry website. * Ancestry will provide hardware and network support for the JewishGen website. Benefits of the agreement: * JewishGen will be able to provide more robust and functional resources to genealogists throughout the world. * Specific and immediate improvements will be seen in the speed of the JewishGen website, along with greater accessibility when searching databases. * More people will be exposed to Jewish genealogy and have access to a greater range of resources to assist in researching family history. * JewishGen’s comprehensive records and information, contributed by volunteers >from around the world, will continue to remain freely available on JewishGen.org. Details of the agreement: * JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization, affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. * There will be no change to the JewishGen management team, structure or affiliation with the museum. * This new agreement, combined with the generosity of our donors throughout the world, will allow us to continue offering all of JewishGen’s extensive resources for no charge. * All of the JewishGen data licensed to Ancestry will be freely available on the Ancestry.com website without charge. * Privacy of personal information for JewishGen users is of key importance to us. Information about JewishGen registrants will *not* be shared. * Personal information stored on JewishGen, such as data in the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and the Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP), will *not* be shared with Ancestry. * JewishGen will continue to independently administer the JewishGen website, mailing lists and affiliates. * There will be no changes to the content of the JewishGen website, or any of JewishGen's programs or mailing lists. JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization. Further information, including Ancestry's press release, is available at the JewishGen blog: < http://jewishgen.blogspot.com >. A FactSheet about the agreement is being prepared. We welcome your questions and concerns. *All* questions will be answered on the JewishGen blog. Warren Warren Blatt Managing Director, JewishGen <wblatt@...>
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica JewishGen and Ancestry.com
#southafrica
Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
JewishGen is very pleased to announce that JewishGen.org,
the premier resource for Jewish genealogy, and Ancestry.com, the largest online resource for family history information, have entered into a cooperative agreement. Basics of the agreement: * JewishGen will make some of its databases available on the Ancestry website. * Ancestry will provide hardware and network support for the JewishGen website. Benefits of the agreement: * JewishGen will be able to provide more robust and functional resources to genealogists throughout the world. * Specific and immediate improvements will be seen in the speed of the JewishGen website, along with greater accessibility when searching databases. * More people will be exposed to Jewish genealogy and have access to a greater range of resources to assist in researching family history. * JewishGen’s comprehensive records and information, contributed by volunteers >from around the world, will continue to remain freely available on JewishGen.org. Details of the agreement: * JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization, affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage – A Living Memorial to the Holocaust. * There will be no change to the JewishGen management team, structure or affiliation with the museum. * This new agreement, combined with the generosity of our donors throughout the world, will allow us to continue offering all of JewishGen’s extensive resources for no charge. * All of the JewishGen data licensed to Ancestry will be freely available on the Ancestry.com website without charge. * Privacy of personal information for JewishGen users is of key importance to us. Information about JewishGen registrants will *not* be shared. * Personal information stored on JewishGen, such as data in the JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and the Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP), will *not* be shared with Ancestry. * JewishGen will continue to independently administer the JewishGen website, mailing lists and affiliates. * There will be no changes to the content of the JewishGen website, or any of JewishGen's programs or mailing lists. JewishGen remains an independent non-profit organization. Further information, including Ancestry's press release, is available at the JewishGen blog: < http://jewishgen.blogspot.com >. A FactSheet about the agreement is being prepared. We welcome your questions and concerns. *All* questions will be answered on the JewishGen blog. Warren Warren Blatt Managing Director, JewishGen <wblatt@...>
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Please Tell Us about the Gersig Meetings in Chicago
#germany
Jeanette R Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
Hello everyone
Please can the Gersiggers who were fortunate enough to be in Chicago share some information with those of us who weren't? I for one would be keen to hear a little about what I missed. What happened at the Gersig gatherings? Who was there? What subjects were discussed? [ MODERATOR NOTE: Please use common sense in deciding what comments about Chicago events are appropriate for the entire GerSIG community (send to this list) and what would best be discussed via private email to <106503.3561@...> ] In return, I promise to share any useful information I learn next week on a genealogy research visit to Detmold in NorthRhine Westfalia in Germany. During my visit I will be attending the Detmold Archive's Summer Study Day which will deal with the implementation >from January 2009 of the new laws that govern access to birth marriage and death records. I will also spend two days undertaking genealogy research. The families I will be researching are all connected to the NEUGARTEN family who lived all through the Dortmund area. Looking forward to hearing some of the interesting bits about GerSig happenings in Chicago and not what you had for lunch! Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK, email 106503.3561@...
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German SIG #Germany Please Tell Us about the Gersig Meetings in Chicago
#germany
Jeanette R Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
Hello everyone
Please can the Gersiggers who were fortunate enough to be in Chicago share some information with those of us who weren't? I for one would be keen to hear a little about what I missed. What happened at the Gersig gatherings? Who was there? What subjects were discussed? [ MODERATOR NOTE: Please use common sense in deciding what comments about Chicago events are appropriate for the entire GerSIG community (send to this list) and what would best be discussed via private email to <106503.3561@...> ] In return, I promise to share any useful information I learn next week on a genealogy research visit to Detmold in NorthRhine Westfalia in Germany. During my visit I will be attending the Detmold Archive's Summer Study Day which will deal with the implementation >from January 2009 of the new laws that govern access to birth marriage and death records. I will also spend two days undertaking genealogy research. The families I will be researching are all connected to the NEUGARTEN family who lived all through the Dortmund area. Looking forward to hearing some of the interesting bits about GerSig happenings in Chicago and not what you had for lunch! Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK, email 106503.3561@...
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Sincere congratulations to Howard
#lithuania
Angie Elfassi
Sincere congratulations to Howard - well deserved!
Regards and Shabbat Shalom Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Howard Margol wins 2008 Lifetime Achievment Award The LitvakSIG's immediate past president Howard Margol won the 2008 IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award, announced at the closing banquet of the IAJGS conference in Chicago Thursday evening. The award cited Howard's "pioneering work in Lithuanian Jewish Genealogy research, his personal efforts on behalf of Lithuanian record access and translation, and his many years of guiding genealogists back to their roots." On behalf of the Board of LitvakSIG, we want to congratulate Howard on this well-deserved award. Yasher Koach, Howard! David Hoffman, President, LitvakSIG
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Sincere congratulations to Howard
#lithuania
Angie Elfassi
Sincere congratulations to Howard - well deserved!
Regards and Shabbat Shalom Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. Howard Margol wins 2008 Lifetime Achievment Award The LitvakSIG's immediate past president Howard Margol won the 2008 IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award, announced at the closing banquet of the IAJGS conference in Chicago Thursday evening. The award cited Howard's "pioneering work in Lithuanian Jewish Genealogy research, his personal efforts on behalf of Lithuanian record access and translation, and his many years of guiding genealogists back to their roots." On behalf of the Board of LitvakSIG, we want to congratulate Howard on this well-deserved award. Yasher Koach, Howard! David Hoffman, President, LitvakSIG
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Transcription help - Polish/Cyrillic Records from Lublin area: WAGNER family
#poland
Tamar Amit <tamar.amit@...>
Dear Fellow Researchers:
I posted some documents to ViewMate and would be grateful if someone would take a look at them. The details I am interested in are names, dates and professions. I do not need any details about the dates of the banns or the witnesses. They are posted on ViewMate with the following details: [Polish, bad quality] Marriage registration of WAGNER Malka & ZYLBERBERG Srul Josef, Zamosc, 1864? - VM12223 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12223 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Perla Ita & ZILBERBERG Moszek Jankel, Jozefow Nad Wisla, 1900 - VM12248 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12248 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Brandla & ROSENBERG Gierszon, Jozefow Nad Wisla, 1832 - VM12249 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12249 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Szyia Moszek & ZORMAN Chawa, Jozefow Nad Wisla , 1899 - VM12250 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12250 [Polish] Marriage registration of WAGNER Gitla & WEBERSZPIL Icek, Rejowiec, 1843 - VM12251 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12251 Any help is appreciated. I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful. Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@... . Thank you. Tamar Amit, Ramat Hasharon, Israel. Researching: WAGNER - Dambie (pronounced Dombia), Zolkiewka, Zamosc and rest of Lublin area GEWERCMAN & BRONFENBRENER - Izbica, Ruskie Piaski, Szczebrzeszyn, Zamosc ROSBOIM - Chelm, Wojslowitce, Ruskie Piaski, Szczebrzeszyn, Zamosc
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JRI Poland #Poland Transcription help - Polish/Cyrillic Records from Lublin area: WAGNER family
#poland
Tamar Amit <tamar.amit@...>
Dear Fellow Researchers:
I posted some documents to ViewMate and would be grateful if someone would take a look at them. The details I am interested in are names, dates and professions. I do not need any details about the dates of the banns or the witnesses. They are posted on ViewMate with the following details: [Polish, bad quality] Marriage registration of WAGNER Malka & ZYLBERBERG Srul Josef, Zamosc, 1864? - VM12223 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12223 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Perla Ita & ZILBERBERG Moszek Jankel, Jozefow Nad Wisla, 1900 - VM12248 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12248 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Brandla & ROSENBERG Gierszon, Jozefow Nad Wisla, 1832 - VM12249 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12249 [Cyrillic] Marriage registration of WAGNER Szyia Moszek & ZORMAN Chawa, Jozefow Nad Wisla , 1899 - VM12250 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12250 [Polish] Marriage registration of WAGNER Gitla & WEBERSZPIL Icek, Rejowiec, 1843 - VM12251 Direct link: http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=12251 Any help is appreciated. I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful. Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@... . Thank you. Tamar Amit, Ramat Hasharon, Israel. Researching: WAGNER - Dambie (pronounced Dombia), Zolkiewka, Zamosc and rest of Lublin area GEWERCMAN & BRONFENBRENER - Izbica, Ruskie Piaski, Szczebrzeszyn, Zamosc ROSBOIM - Chelm, Wojslowitce, Ruskie Piaski, Szczebrzeszyn, Zamosc
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member Steve Lasky honored by IAJGS
#galicia
Renee Steinig
Congratulations to Gesher Galicia list member Steve Lasky!
Last night at the Chicago2008 Jewish genealogy conference banquet, the IAJGS -- International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies -- honored Steve with its annual achievement award for Outstanding Contribution to Jewish Genealogy via the Internet, Print or Electronic Product. The award recognizes Steve's "original contribution to the Jewish genealogical community by the creation of an online virtual museum, The Museum of Family History. This impressive and professionally-produced body of work reflects his hard work and dedication in accumulating, recording and sharing an incredible variety of relevant resources. Designed to encourage Jewish families to research and document their own family histories, Steve's inspiration will continue to benefit future generations." Steve's website is at www.museumof familyhistory.com . Renee Renee Stern Steinig genmaven@... MODERATOR;S NOTE: Please send additional congratulations to Steve privately or via the website's guestbook.
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia member Steve Lasky honored by IAJGS
#galicia
Renee Steinig
Congratulations to Gesher Galicia list member Steve Lasky!
Last night at the Chicago2008 Jewish genealogy conference banquet, the IAJGS -- International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies -- honored Steve with its annual achievement award for Outstanding Contribution to Jewish Genealogy via the Internet, Print or Electronic Product. The award recognizes Steve's "original contribution to the Jewish genealogical community by the creation of an online virtual museum, The Museum of Family History. This impressive and professionally-produced body of work reflects his hard work and dedication in accumulating, recording and sharing an incredible variety of relevant resources. Designed to encourage Jewish families to research and document their own family histories, Steve's inspiration will continue to benefit future generations." Steve's website is at www.museumof familyhistory.com . Renee Renee Stern Steinig genmaven@... MODERATOR;S NOTE: Please send additional congratulations to Steve privately or via the website's guestbook.
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Burials in Vienna in 1940
#general
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Milton Koch of Bethesda wrote: "I have requested information from
the Jewish community leaders in Vienna about who may have paid for a gravestone in 1940 - family member, etc and how to get that information. I have not received any responses back. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to get this type of information. The messages went to IKG Vienna." The first mistake Milton made is to assume his email to the IKG, Vienna went to the Community leaders! It would have arrived at a tiny office staffed by one or two very hard-working, conscientious people who run the Matrikenamt - ie the registry for BMD records. The cemetery records [as opposed to the death records] are not kept there and I will send Milton a contact address. My answer to Milton, without having specific details of the tombstone and burial, are that if there was an existing family tomb in the Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 or Gate IV, the deceased could have been added to this with minimal costs, assuming details were available in his/her will. I have seen numerous probate documents of this era where it states that the deceased left no money and the costs of burial were covered by the Chevra kadisha. Milton has to explore this route. New burials in 1940 and later war years were generally in a plot in Zentralfriedhof Tor IV marked with the most meagre of markers. After the war, these may have been upgraded to something slightly better, financed by the Chevra kadisha or by family members who had emigrated. There were Jewish institutions still functioning in Vienna in 1940, including a number of old age homes and a Chevra kadisha. Converts and Konfessionsloss [no religion] people were also buried at Tor IV. These meagre war-time graves can still be seen. Many graves with magnificent tombstones were exhumed >from Wahringer Friedhof, to make way for a fire pond and reburied at Tor IV. They can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1064251606/ Obviously not much money was spent on these graves. The Moderator wisely suggested posting this query on the Austria-Czech SIG too - there may be other meaningful replies. Celia Male - London, U.K.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Burials in Vienna in 1940
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Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Milton Koch of Bethesda wrote: "I have requested information from
the Jewish community leaders in Vienna about who may have paid for a gravestone in 1940 - family member, etc and how to get that information. I have not received any responses back. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how to get this type of information. The messages went to IKG Vienna." The first mistake Milton made is to assume his email to the IKG, Vienna went to the Community leaders! It would have arrived at a tiny office staffed by one or two very hard-working, conscientious people who run the Matrikenamt - ie the registry for BMD records. The cemetery records [as opposed to the death records] are not kept there and I will send Milton a contact address. My answer to Milton, without having specific details of the tombstone and burial, are that if there was an existing family tomb in the Zentralfriedhof Gate 1 or Gate IV, the deceased could have been added to this with minimal costs, assuming details were available in his/her will. I have seen numerous probate documents of this era where it states that the deceased left no money and the costs of burial were covered by the Chevra kadisha. Milton has to explore this route. New burials in 1940 and later war years were generally in a plot in Zentralfriedhof Tor IV marked with the most meagre of markers. After the war, these may have been upgraded to something slightly better, financed by the Chevra kadisha or by family members who had emigrated. There were Jewish institutions still functioning in Vienna in 1940, including a number of old age homes and a Chevra kadisha. Converts and Konfessionsloss [no religion] people were also buried at Tor IV. These meagre war-time graves can still be seen. Many graves with magnificent tombstones were exhumed >from Wahringer Friedhof, to make way for a fire pond and reburied at Tor IV. They can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1064251606/ Obviously not much money was spent on these graves. The Moderator wisely suggested posting this query on the Austria-Czech SIG too - there may be other meaningful replies. Celia Male - London, U.K.
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Re: seeking Vienna information
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Wegner, Peter
Dear Milton, who asked:
"I have requested information >from the Jewish community leaders in Vienna about who may have paid for a gravestone in 1940- family member, etc and how to get that information." My husband's paternal grandfather died in Vienna in 1940 of natural causes (i.e., before the deportations began), and is buried in the "new" Jewish section of the Zentralfriedhof. We discovered this only recently (>from Austrian state archives), and visited the grave a few years ago. We perceived at once that the shiny black stone was far more recent than 1940, and more importantly that it was identical to one or two hundred others in the immediate vicinity -- not just in the size, shape, and the stone it was made from, but also in the limited items of information provided (we checked several), all being in precisely the same format: Deceased's name and surname, his/her year of birth, and the exact date of death (all given only in German, no Hebrew information at all). The deaths all seemed to be dated between 1938 (the year of the Anschluss) and 1942 (as we know, 1941-2 were the years of deportation of most remaining Viennese Jews -- so virtually no later burials occurred during the war.) On checking into this strange phenomenon, we learned that although the individual grave locations are reliably accurate (the parameters having been recorded in the Jewish section's files at the time of burial), the actual stones were supplied only quite recently (i.e. after Austria admitted its share of responsibility for the events of the Austrian Holocaust). The stones were all produced by one stonemason (I believe around 10-15 years ago). These stones were obviously not paid for by family members. During 1938-42, the Nazis presumably did not allow the making or placement of Jewish stones; and after 1942 there were virtually no Jews left to die in Vienna. Nor, obviously, did many deportees survive -- and few Viennese Jews who had fled before the war returned after it ended. Hence there were no family members to supply stones for those who had died there during 1938-42. We learned that all the identical stones we observed had been supplied by a Jewish philanthropical foundation, but I forget which one. I don't recall whether the Austrian government provided any of the funds used for this purpose; perhaps someone can tell us. Judith Romney Wegner jrw@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: seeking Vienna information
#general
Wegner, Peter
Dear Milton, who asked:
"I have requested information >from the Jewish community leaders in Vienna about who may have paid for a gravestone in 1940- family member, etc and how to get that information." My husband's paternal grandfather died in Vienna in 1940 of natural causes (i.e., before the deportations began), and is buried in the "new" Jewish section of the Zentralfriedhof. We discovered this only recently (>from Austrian state archives), and visited the grave a few years ago. We perceived at once that the shiny black stone was far more recent than 1940, and more importantly that it was identical to one or two hundred others in the immediate vicinity -- not just in the size, shape, and the stone it was made from, but also in the limited items of information provided (we checked several), all being in precisely the same format: Deceased's name and surname, his/her year of birth, and the exact date of death (all given only in German, no Hebrew information at all). The deaths all seemed to be dated between 1938 (the year of the Anschluss) and 1942 (as we know, 1941-2 were the years of deportation of most remaining Viennese Jews -- so virtually no later burials occurred during the war.) On checking into this strange phenomenon, we learned that although the individual grave locations are reliably accurate (the parameters having been recorded in the Jewish section's files at the time of burial), the actual stones were supplied only quite recently (i.e. after Austria admitted its share of responsibility for the events of the Austrian Holocaust). The stones were all produced by one stonemason (I believe around 10-15 years ago). These stones were obviously not paid for by family members. During 1938-42, the Nazis presumably did not allow the making or placement of Jewish stones; and after 1942 there were virtually no Jews left to die in Vienna. Nor, obviously, did many deportees survive -- and few Viennese Jews who had fled before the war returned after it ended. Hence there were no family members to supply stones for those who had died there during 1938-42. We learned that all the identical stones we observed had been supplied by a Jewish philanthropical foundation, but I forget which one. I don't recall whether the Austrian government provided any of the funds used for this purpose; perhaps someone can tell us. Judith Romney Wegner jrw@...
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Placename query on Ellis Island arrivals record
#general
stephenfreed@tiscali.co.uk <stephenfreed@...>
My great uncle Sam Rosenzweig arrived in Ellis Island 31 Jan 1914. His
name was actually mistakenly recorded as Sam Rosenzwirz. His place of origin appears to read "Mala" in Austria. His sister's place of origin is clearly Miechowice in Galicia which I've so far assumed was the home of the Rosenzweig family. Does anyone mind checking out this record to see what they make of this placename please? Steve Freed Newcastle upon Tyne UK
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Placename query on Ellis Island arrivals record
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stephenfreed@tiscali.co.uk <stephenfreed@...>
My great uncle Sam Rosenzweig arrived in Ellis Island 31 Jan 1914. His
name was actually mistakenly recorded as Sam Rosenzwirz. His place of origin appears to read "Mala" in Austria. His sister's place of origin is clearly Miechowice in Galicia which I've so far assumed was the home of the Rosenzweig family. Does anyone mind checking out this record to see what they make of this placename please? Steve Freed Newcastle upon Tyne UK
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Re: Surname HAENLE
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Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Steve Orlen wrote: Can someone tell me what the German (Jewish)
surname HAENLE means? Michael Bernet and Evertjan Hannivoort made suggestions around the first name Johannes and the word for rooster. Irene Newhouse >from Hawaii added to the discussion with the comment: " It would NOT at all surprise me if a name had multiple meanings in its origins -- our ancestors probably were not above punning, and since they usually spoke/understood multiple languages - Hebrew for religious purposes, Yiddish [or not] for every day use at home & another language or 2 for when dealing with the goyim, -- multilingual puns are not out of the question either...." I would like to point out that no-one has yet mentioned that HAENLE is a bona-fide *non-Jewish* family name in Germany and Austria - I wonder if they too are thinking of hidden meanings? The Jewish family name may therefore well have been chosen to blend in with the population at large, with the added bonus, perhaps, {but not necessarily so] of having another deeper hidden-meaning, based on a Hebrew word or name. I cannot vouch for this, but Kaganoff in his 1977 book on family names says "HAHN became a by name for several Hebrew first names such as Hanoch, Elhanan and Manoah." Sounds a good enough reason to choose HAENLE to me! Celia Male - London, U.K.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Surname HAENLE
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Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Steve Orlen wrote: Can someone tell me what the German (Jewish)
surname HAENLE means? Michael Bernet and Evertjan Hannivoort made suggestions around the first name Johannes and the word for rooster. Irene Newhouse >from Hawaii added to the discussion with the comment: " It would NOT at all surprise me if a name had multiple meanings in its origins -- our ancestors probably were not above punning, and since they usually spoke/understood multiple languages - Hebrew for religious purposes, Yiddish [or not] for every day use at home & another language or 2 for when dealing with the goyim, -- multilingual puns are not out of the question either...." I would like to point out that no-one has yet mentioned that HAENLE is a bona-fide *non-Jewish* family name in Germany and Austria - I wonder if they too are thinking of hidden meanings? The Jewish family name may therefore well have been chosen to blend in with the population at large, with the added bonus, perhaps, {but not necessarily so] of having another deeper hidden-meaning, based on a Hebrew word or name. I cannot vouch for this, but Kaganoff in his 1977 book on family names says "HAHN became a by name for several Hebrew first names such as Hanoch, Elhanan and Manoah." Sounds a good enough reason to choose HAENLE to me! Celia Male - London, U.K.
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