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KUTZCER - any info #austria-czech

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

The KUTZCER side of my family is one I know nothing about and I wonder if
anyone knows anything of the name or the family. It isn't a common one so
this may help.

I know that my great grandmother Rosa GELLER who came to the UK had the
maiden name KUTZCER as this appears on my grandmothers birth record and on
the record of her siblings births (with differing spellings). To the best of
our knowledge the couple, ISAAC GELLER AND ROSA KURTCER, my great
grandparents came here without parents ir sibling and we have no info on
their siblings or where they went except rumours that the Gellers were rich
and refused to leave their wealth despite offers to get them out by the red
cross.

Relatives said that the GELLERS and KUTZCERS came >from Galicia or Austria
but I don't know this to be fact at this point and have no further
information and would like to go back further here. I have correspondence
from Prague relating to the Gellers >from the 1920s but I know of know other
KUTZCERS apart >from my great grandmother Rosa.

Does this name appear in your tree or has it cropped up in your research at
any point.

I am the point of brick walls with most of my tree at the moment so any
information would be wonderful.

Thanks so much

Catherine Gordon
Manchester UK

Researching
GELLER, KUTZCER, GOLDSTONE, FIG, BROWN, BRO, COPITCH, COPATCH, COPACK,
FREEDSON, MARCHINSKY, GOLDSBERG, SAGAT, GROSBERG-STERLING, FINEMAN, and
carious spelling of the above :)
Surname questions (Haases) #austria-czech

Philip Moravcik <morav@...>
 

Regarding irritation at Haases' inquiry about the origins of surnames, it
might be useful to mention that there is a link to an archive of messages
generated by this SIG located in the middle column in the pinkish box at
the bottom of the page http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/. Perhaps
there Haases will find an earlier discussion on this topic. Probably not
without some lengthy searching. If you do a search on "surnames" for
example you will get more than 1,000 matches unless you specify a very
short time period. So it will be quite a project to sift through and find
what you're after.


Philip Moravcik, Honolulu
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech KUTZCER - any info #austria-czech

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

The KUTZCER side of my family is one I know nothing about and I wonder if
anyone knows anything of the name or the family. It isn't a common one so
this may help.

I know that my great grandmother Rosa GELLER who came to the UK had the
maiden name KUTZCER as this appears on my grandmothers birth record and on
the record of her siblings births (with differing spellings). To the best of
our knowledge the couple, ISAAC GELLER AND ROSA KURTCER, my great
grandparents came here without parents ir sibling and we have no info on
their siblings or where they went except rumours that the Gellers were rich
and refused to leave their wealth despite offers to get them out by the red
cross.

Relatives said that the GELLERS and KUTZCERS came >from Galicia or Austria
but I don't know this to be fact at this point and have no further
information and would like to go back further here. I have correspondence
from Prague relating to the Gellers >from the 1920s but I know of know other
KUTZCERS apart >from my great grandmother Rosa.

Does this name appear in your tree or has it cropped up in your research at
any point.

I am the point of brick walls with most of my tree at the moment so any
information would be wonderful.

Thanks so much

Catherine Gordon
Manchester UK

Researching
GELLER, KUTZCER, GOLDSTONE, FIG, BROWN, BRO, COPITCH, COPATCH, COPACK,
FREEDSON, MARCHINSKY, GOLDSBERG, SAGAT, GROSBERG-STERLING, FINEMAN, and
carious spelling of the above :)
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Surname questions (Haases) #austria-czech

Philip Moravcik <morav@...>
 

Regarding irritation at Haases' inquiry about the origins of surnames, it
might be useful to mention that there is a link to an archive of messages
generated by this SIG located in the middle column in the pinkish box at
the bottom of the page http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/. Perhaps
there Haases will find an earlier discussion on this topic. Probably not
without some lengthy searching. If you do a search on "surnames" for
example you will get more than 1,000 matches unless you specify a very
short time period. So it will be quite a project to sift through and find
what you're after.


Philip Moravcik, Honolulu
GELLER translation please #austria-czech

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

Can anyone help me translate this document please.

http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky2/indexen.php?session=3Dfda233be940a929ced8d=
62666
98d76e9&action=3Drecord&x=3D0&t=3D1&m=3D1

I can see that the name is Maria GELLER and the date 1848 (is this a birth
year?) but I don't know what the columns mean or any of the other info.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Catherine Gordon
Manchester, UK
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech GELLER translation please #austria-czech

Catherine Gordon <catherine@...>
 

Can anyone help me translate this document please.

http://digi.nacr.cz/prihlasky2/indexen.php?session=3Dfda233be940a929ced8d=
62666
98d76e9&action=3Drecord&x=3D0&t=3D1&m=3D1

I can see that the name is Maria GELLER and the date 1848 (is this a birth
year?) but I don't know what the columns mean or any of the other info.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Catherine Gordon
Manchester, UK
Re: Palestine arrival lists (Re Returning to Homeland) #general

Israel P
 

I have posted on this subject before (see "Mandatory Citizenship" in the
JewishGen archives), but a refresher may be in order.

The National Archives in Jerusalem (Makor Hayyim Street) has citizenship
files of people who became citizens during the latter part of the
Mandatory Government, 1933-1948. (Earlier Mandatory Citizenship records
were "lost" - likely taken or destroyed by the retreating occupiers in
1948.)

There is an index of those files on microfilm, which is open to any
visitor. The films show index cards which are arranged in alphabetical
order, with all spellings together. (think Silverstein, Zylbersztajn and
everything in between), with columns for given name, birth place, birth
year and file number. (Birth place is specific - not "Russia.")

If the file is over seventy years old or if you can claim to be a
descendant of the person in the file, you can get a copy of the file for
a small fee. The file is in English.

Generally it will not have serious genealogical information (no parents'
names, for instance), but it usually has a passport photo, names of
accompanying family members, birth dates, places of birth and date of
arrival, as well as some information about what the person is doing at
the time.

They claim that about a third of those files are missing, but my
experience is that fewer are missing.

The search process takes less than an hour, but you may have to wait a
couple of weeks to get the copied file. Or you can wait a few hours for
them to show you the file itself.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

On 11 Sep 2008

<<Before 1948, the place you call Israel was a British Protectorate (or
League of Nations Mandate, if you prefer) called Palestine. I've not heard
that the authorities kept arrival lists, but if they did they would be in
English.>>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Palestine arrival lists (Re Returning to Homeland) #general

Israel P
 

I have posted on this subject before (see "Mandatory Citizenship" in the
JewishGen archives), but a refresher may be in order.

The National Archives in Jerusalem (Makor Hayyim Street) has citizenship
files of people who became citizens during the latter part of the
Mandatory Government, 1933-1948. (Earlier Mandatory Citizenship records
were "lost" - likely taken or destroyed by the retreating occupiers in
1948.)

There is an index of those files on microfilm, which is open to any
visitor. The films show index cards which are arranged in alphabetical
order, with all spellings together. (think Silverstein, Zylbersztajn and
everything in between), with columns for given name, birth place, birth
year and file number. (Birth place is specific - not "Russia.")

If the file is over seventy years old or if you can claim to be a
descendant of the person in the file, you can get a copy of the file for
a small fee. The file is in English.

Generally it will not have serious genealogical information (no parents'
names, for instance), but it usually has a passport photo, names of
accompanying family members, birth dates, places of birth and date of
arrival, as well as some information about what the person is doing at
the time.

They claim that about a third of those files are missing, but my
experience is that fewer are missing.

The search process takes less than an hour, but you may have to wait a
couple of weeks to get the copied file. Or you can wait a few hours for
them to show you the file itself.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem

On 11 Sep 2008

<<Before 1948, the place you call Israel was a British Protectorate (or
League of Nations Mandate, if you prefer) called Palestine. I've not heard
that the authorities kept arrival lists, but if they did they would be in
English.>>
Polish and Galitizianer Jews Who Settled in Providence, RI in the Late 1800s #general

Linda Shefler
 

According to a story told to me many years ago by an elderly relative, my gg
grandfather Haim Naftali (Henry) ROSENBLATT was responsible for bringing
many of the first Chassidic Jews to Providence, RI. >from an historical
perspective I would be curious to find out who some of these families might
have been and if they were actually relatives of Henry's.

Henry initially settled in Pittsburgh, PA in 1871 where his brother had
settled several years earlier. Sometime between 1883-1885 he moved to
Providence.

In 1889 Henry's first wife died and he went back to Europe for a new wife.
His second wife died in 1893 and he went back to Europe again for another
new wife. According to what I was told, the women in America weren't
religious enough for him.

Henry also had a problem with the merchants in Providence, as I understand
it, none of them were up to his standards of kosher, so on his trips back to
Europe, he encouraged various merchants to immigrate to Providence.
According to my relative, when she was young her mother would point out the
butcher shop and say; "Grandfather Henry brought that family to America to
be his butcher". The same was true with many other merchants.

I did manage to find one manifest for Yekhiel (Chil) Glickstein who
immigrated in 1901 and listed his destination as his cousin Henry ROSENBLATT
in Providence. Yekhiel was >from Olkusz, the town of Henry's mother's
family.

I would be interested in hearing >from others whose families were Chassidic
and settled in Providence anytime >from the mid 1880s until the early
turn-of-the-century. I am not exactly sure what towns they would have been
from, some possibilities include: Olkusz, Checiny, Bedzin, Sosnowiec,
Sobkow, Czestochowa and vicinity.

Thanks for your time.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Formerly of Cary, NC
Presently of Moshav Mishmeret
linda.shefler@gmail.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish and Galitizianer Jews Who Settled in Providence, RI in the Late 1800s #general

Linda Shefler
 

According to a story told to me many years ago by an elderly relative, my gg
grandfather Haim Naftali (Henry) ROSENBLATT was responsible for bringing
many of the first Chassidic Jews to Providence, RI. >from an historical
perspective I would be curious to find out who some of these families might
have been and if they were actually relatives of Henry's.

Henry initially settled in Pittsburgh, PA in 1871 where his brother had
settled several years earlier. Sometime between 1883-1885 he moved to
Providence.

In 1889 Henry's first wife died and he went back to Europe for a new wife.
His second wife died in 1893 and he went back to Europe again for another
new wife. According to what I was told, the women in America weren't
religious enough for him.

Henry also had a problem with the merchants in Providence, as I understand
it, none of them were up to his standards of kosher, so on his trips back to
Europe, he encouraged various merchants to immigrate to Providence.
According to my relative, when she was young her mother would point out the
butcher shop and say; "Grandfather Henry brought that family to America to
be his butcher". The same was true with many other merchants.

I did manage to find one manifest for Yekhiel (Chil) Glickstein who
immigrated in 1901 and listed his destination as his cousin Henry ROSENBLATT
in Providence. Yekhiel was >from Olkusz, the town of Henry's mother's
family.

I would be interested in hearing >from others whose families were Chassidic
and settled in Providence anytime >from the mid 1880s until the early
turn-of-the-century. I am not exactly sure what towns they would have been
from, some possibilities include: Olkusz, Checiny, Bedzin, Sosnowiec,
Sobkow, Czestochowa and vicinity.

Thanks for your time.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Formerly of Cary, NC
Presently of Moshav Mishmeret
linda.shefler@gmail.com
1905 Manhattan Directories #general

lizdmiller@...
 

Hello,

Due to an injury, I am unable to get to the Family History Library in my area.
Could someone please help me?

I am looking for the 1905 Manhattan, NY City Directories for 39 JACKSON STREET
(which was a 5 story style apartment building at that time).

AD 4 ED 18 AD 4 ED 19
Reel 4 FHLmicrofilm 1428426 Reel 4, 5 microfilm 1428426 & 1428427

I am looking for any RUDERMAN or COHEN families living at 39 Jackson Street,
Manhattan in 1905

If anyone has access to the 1905 New York State Census for the same address -
39 Jackson Street, Manhattan
I would be so grateful.

Since I've had partial elbow replacement, it's been difficult for me.

Many thanks in advance.
Sincerely,

Liz Ruderman Miller
lizdmiller@earthlink.net

Searching: Ruderman, Cohen, Axelrod, KRAISK/KRYSK, VILEIKA, VILNA now Belarus
POT Golda GERSTEN PREMINGER submitter KRAL #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,

I have a POT for Golda GERSTEN PREMINGER, a member of my husband's GERSTEN
family >from Obertyn, Horodenka Ukraine/Poland. The submitter is listed as a
"relative" surnamed KRAL. POT was registered in 1957.
Does any one have information on who the submitter might be? Is there a
member of this family out there that I can connect with?

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER,FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin,Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,HERSZLIKOWICZ,
HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,Galacia)BARSKA/BARSKY/
BARSKIY(Odessa),GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln),
FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh,PA),NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse
Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty,Ukraine,
LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,RABINOWITZ
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1905 Manhattan Directories #general

lizdmiller@...
 

Hello,

Due to an injury, I am unable to get to the Family History Library in my area.
Could someone please help me?

I am looking for the 1905 Manhattan, NY City Directories for 39 JACKSON STREET
(which was a 5 story style apartment building at that time).

AD 4 ED 18 AD 4 ED 19
Reel 4 FHLmicrofilm 1428426 Reel 4, 5 microfilm 1428426 & 1428427

I am looking for any RUDERMAN or COHEN families living at 39 Jackson Street,
Manhattan in 1905

If anyone has access to the 1905 New York State Census for the same address -
39 Jackson Street, Manhattan
I would be so grateful.

Since I've had partial elbow replacement, it's been difficult for me.

Many thanks in advance.
Sincerely,

Liz Ruderman Miller
lizdmiller@earthlink.net

Searching: Ruderman, Cohen, Axelrod, KRAISK/KRYSK, VILEIKA, VILNA now Belarus
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen POT Golda GERSTEN PREMINGER submitter KRAL #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Dear All,

I have a POT for Golda GERSTEN PREMINGER, a member of my husband's GERSTEN
family >from Obertyn, Horodenka Ukraine/Poland. The submitter is listed as a
"relative" surnamed KRAL. POT was registered in 1957.
Does any one have information on who the submitter might be? Is there a
member of this family out there that I can connect with?

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER,FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin,Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,HERSZLIKOWICZ,
HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,Galacia)BARSKA/BARSKY/
BARSKIY(Odessa),GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln),
FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh,PA),NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse
Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty,Ukraine,
LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,RABINOWITZ
Trying to locate Josh Hurwitz #general

Sdehaaff@...
 

I've located some information connecting Jacob Eli Hurwitz to our family.
If you are Josh Hurwitz whose email address was formerly at Mindspring, please
contact us. That's the last email address we had for you.
Thanks,
Stuart de Haaff
Jewish Farming in Early 20th Century Connecticut #general

Shawn Weil
 

Jewish Genners-

PBS's "History Detectives" just had a fascinating segment on early
20th century Jewish farming in Connecticut. My wife's family, the
LIFSCHUTZ family, farmed in East Haddam, CT and then in
Uncasville/Montville, CT. They had the farm in Uncasville for decades
between 1905 and 1955.

My questions:

1. Can anyone point me to some good references about these farms?
2. Are there other Jewish Genners who's family settled in or passed
through these towns?
3. Are there current residents of these towns who know anything about
the Jewish farmers in the area?

Thank you

Shawn Weil
Melrose, MA

WEIL, WAHL, WOHL, ABRAMOWITZ >from Dzikow (Tarnebrzeg), Poland; NYC
TELLES, TELEFUS, FISHERMAN >from Khotin, Ukraine; Israel; NYC
BIRNBERG, >from Medzhibozh & Khotin, Ukraine; UK; Argentina; NYC
GOLDER, MOSKOWITZ, LIEBOWITZ, FIBISH >from Romania; Brazil; Israel; NYC
BROITMAN, DARISH >from Ukraine; NYC; GLANTZ, LAMPERT >from Phila., PA;
http://www.tangerinecrafts.com/Personal/genealogy.htm
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Trying to locate Josh Hurwitz #general

Sdehaaff@...
 

I've located some information connecting Jacob Eli Hurwitz to our family.
If you are Josh Hurwitz whose email address was formerly at Mindspring, please
contact us. That's the last email address we had for you.
Thanks,
Stuart de Haaff
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Farming in Early 20th Century Connecticut #general

Shawn Weil
 

Jewish Genners-

PBS's "History Detectives" just had a fascinating segment on early
20th century Jewish farming in Connecticut. My wife's family, the
LIFSCHUTZ family, farmed in East Haddam, CT and then in
Uncasville/Montville, CT. They had the farm in Uncasville for decades
between 1905 and 1955.

My questions:

1. Can anyone point me to some good references about these farms?
2. Are there other Jewish Genners who's family settled in or passed
through these towns?
3. Are there current residents of these towns who know anything about
the Jewish farmers in the area?

Thank you

Shawn Weil
Melrose, MA

WEIL, WAHL, WOHL, ABRAMOWITZ >from Dzikow (Tarnebrzeg), Poland; NYC
TELLES, TELEFUS, FISHERMAN >from Khotin, Ukraine; Israel; NYC
BIRNBERG, >from Medzhibozh & Khotin, Ukraine; UK; Argentina; NYC
GOLDER, MOSKOWITZ, LIEBOWITZ, FIBISH >from Romania; Brazil; Israel; NYC
BROITMAN, DARISH >from Ukraine; NYC; GLANTZ, LAMPERT >from Phila., PA;
http://www.tangerinecrafts.com/Personal/genealogy.htm
Re: New member. "Am I Jewish?" Seeking truth of my heritage. #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am going to repeat something I have said a number of times before on this
subject and on this digest.

First and foremost, do not worry about finding what may be non-existent
Jewish roots. Research your Family. Get all the documents you can on the
oldest family members, interview family members, if you can, and generally
do your homework first.

There are many general on-line databases which have census records and other
pieces of information to help document your family. These include those of
JewishGen's new partner, Ancestry.com. Use these tools as that is what they
are there for.

In this particular case, where there are no particular stories or incidents
relating to someone being Jewish, my feeling is that the grandmother's
mental illness was what caused the split in the family and not her ethnic
origins which appear to be Germanic.

The names you provided are generally non-Jewish Germanic names and you
should perhaps followup this lead, particularly with the Mormon Family
History Center records.

Good luck in your search!

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
Census Dates and Census Headings #general

egrdn@...
 

In a message dated 9/10/2008 12:08:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Allan
Jordan writes:

"In July 1920 his sister immigrates and she says she is going to her
brother in Detroit, Michigan but I did not find them in the 1920 Federal
Census."

My response:

The 1920 U.S. Census was taken in January, so his sister would not have been
in the U.S. at that time. There are several websites which show census
dates and census headings. Here are a few I have found useful:

For the U.S.:
http://www.eogen.com/USFederalCensusDates

For the U.K.:
http://www.familiesunearthed.com/census-dates.htm

Missing U.S. Censuses:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~troutt/~troutt/Miscellaneous
/MissingCensus.htm

U.S. Census Headings:
http://www.skpub.com/genie/headings/

Eleanor Gordon
California
254061 - 254080 of 658108