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Re: rom-sig digest: April 11, 2009 #romania

Judy Berger <judyberger@...>
 

Subject: Surname registration in Romania
From: Judy Berger
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009

Hello to Sorin and all....Happy Passover!

In regards to study of surnames in Romania, my grandfather was >from
Iasi and born in 1872. Last summer I visited Iasi, with a guide
recommended by this list-serve. It was a very informative experience
and I enjoyed it very much. I think that the practices mentioned by
Sorin in regards to surnames (including switching >from fathers to
mothers name) definitely applied in Iasi as well at Botosani. This is
significant, because Iasi had Romania's largest Jewish population.

My grandfather and his family immigrated to the U.S. in the late
1880's. The 1880's and 1890's was a period when there was increased
antisemitism in Romania around the time of its independence >from
Prussia. At the behest of the Bnai Brith in the U.S., the immigration
quotas for Romania were expanded, resulting in a large increase in
Romania Jews allowed entry to the U.S. So, it is possible that the
reason the number of recorded marriages and births of Jews decreased
in the 80s and 90s was that many families had left.

Side note: My grandfather's family lived on Apeduc Street. That is
the street of Iasi's largest synagogue. When I visited, the synagogue
was under renovation, scheduled to be completed in 2010. It should be
quite beautiful, and the people I ran into were very welcoming.

Iasi and some other parts of Romania did not lose most of their Jewish
population during the Holocast, but there was a large Zionist
emigration of Romanian Jews to Israel in the 1960's led by Romania's
Chief Rabbi. During my visit, I ran into a number of Israeli's making
holiday in Romania and learned that this is quite common. In the
quaint, cobblestoned city of Brasnov, there was a Romania fellow
playing Israeli folk dance tunes on his recorder in the main square
for tips.

--Judy Berger

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Subject: Surname registration in Romania
From: "Sorin Goldenberg" <soring0412@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:11:24 +0300
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Romania SIG #Romania Re: rom-sig digest: April 11, 2009 #romania

Judy Berger <judyberger@...>
 

Subject: Surname registration in Romania
From: Judy Berger
Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009

Hello to Sorin and all....Happy Passover!

In regards to study of surnames in Romania, my grandfather was >from
Iasi and born in 1872. Last summer I visited Iasi, with a guide
recommended by this list-serve. It was a very informative experience
and I enjoyed it very much. I think that the practices mentioned by
Sorin in regards to surnames (including switching >from fathers to
mothers name) definitely applied in Iasi as well at Botosani. This is
significant, because Iasi had Romania's largest Jewish population.

My grandfather and his family immigrated to the U.S. in the late
1880's. The 1880's and 1890's was a period when there was increased
antisemitism in Romania around the time of its independence >from
Prussia. At the behest of the Bnai Brith in the U.S., the immigration
quotas for Romania were expanded, resulting in a large increase in
Romania Jews allowed entry to the U.S. So, it is possible that the
reason the number of recorded marriages and births of Jews decreased
in the 80s and 90s was that many families had left.

Side note: My grandfather's family lived on Apeduc Street. That is
the street of Iasi's largest synagogue. When I visited, the synagogue
was under renovation, scheduled to be completed in 2010. It should be
quite beautiful, and the people I ran into were very welcoming.

Iasi and some other parts of Romania did not lose most of their Jewish
population during the Holocast, but there was a large Zionist
emigration of Romanian Jews to Israel in the 1960's led by Romania's
Chief Rabbi. During my visit, I ran into a number of Israeli's making
holiday in Romania and learned that this is quite common. In the
quaint, cobblestoned city of Brasnov, there was a Romania fellow
playing Israeli folk dance tunes on his recorder in the main square
for tips.

--Judy Berger

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Surname registration in Romania
From: "Sorin Goldenberg" <soring0412@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:11:24 +0300
X-Message-Number: 1
MODERATOR NOTE: Please do NOT use the Reply key to respond to a message in
the Digest. It drags the entire Digest along with it, and greatly complicates
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Re: Surname registration in Romania #romania

Marcel Bratu <marcelbratu@...>
 

Dear Sorin, Your study is very interesant and similar with the Dorohoi
situation and Barlad, Podu Turcului and Stanisesti. My paternal uncles, born
in the last 2 statels and Barlad had the surname of GRINSPAN or ZALMAN.This
story I published in one of Rom-Sig Magazine, redactor being the late Sam
Elpern. As far as "ZEIDA" is concern,in Dorohoi were at list a few. My Gm
rented a house >from Zeida Gemer, in between 1912 until she moved in Yassy,
to her daugther, Frieda Blumenfeld who's husband died in one of the trains
of death. But nobody knows if Zeidale was his name or the name, being a
grandfather.

I would like to mention another Zeida, Zeida Safran, a close relative
of the Chief Rabbi Alexandru Safran, who died in Askelon, about 10 years
ago. He was not a grandpa when I call him Zeida, but a very young man. I am
sure that in his birth certificate his name was Zeida.

Everybody have a Kosher Pesach,
Marcel Bratu, still in Hamden CT
===========================================

From: "Sorin Goldenberg" <soring0412@gmail.com>
To: "Romania SIG" <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: [rom-sig] Surname registration in Romania


Hi all,

I want to share with you some observations >from my study in Botosani
genealogy. Since most of my family (6/8 GGFs) are >from the area and the
others >from nearby - I do not have information of other places in Romania.
I do not know if my observation apply elsewhere in this country.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Surname registration in Romania #romania

Marcel Bratu <marcelbratu@...>
 

Dear Sorin, Your study is very interesant and similar with the Dorohoi
situation and Barlad, Podu Turcului and Stanisesti. My paternal uncles, born
in the last 2 statels and Barlad had the surname of GRINSPAN or ZALMAN.This
story I published in one of Rom-Sig Magazine, redactor being the late Sam
Elpern. As far as "ZEIDA" is concern,in Dorohoi were at list a few. My Gm
rented a house >from Zeida Gemer, in between 1912 until she moved in Yassy,
to her daugther, Frieda Blumenfeld who's husband died in one of the trains
of death. But nobody knows if Zeidale was his name or the name, being a
grandfather.

I would like to mention another Zeida, Zeida Safran, a close relative
of the Chief Rabbi Alexandru Safran, who died in Askelon, about 10 years
ago. He was not a grandpa when I call him Zeida, but a very young man. I am
sure that in his birth certificate his name was Zeida.

Everybody have a Kosher Pesach,
Marcel Bratu, still in Hamden CT
===========================================

From: "Sorin Goldenberg" <soring0412@gmail.com>
To: "Romania SIG" <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM
Subject: [rom-sig] Surname registration in Romania


Hi all,

I want to share with you some observations >from my study in Botosani
genealogy. Since most of my family (6/8 GGFs) are >from the area and the
others >from nearby - I do not have information of other places in Romania.
I do not know if my observation apply elsewhere in this country.


Chosing a pay-site for the best coverage in UK records. #general

David Scriven
 

Dear Genners,

I've reached a dead -end using the free resources that
are available for UK (especially London) records, and I'm
trying to decide which pay-site would be best.

Do Genners have any experience/advice that would enable
me to choose?

I've tried to use the free BMD records via ancestry.co.uk to find
my grand-parents marriage that I know took place in 1904/5,
but I've had no luck - are there any differences in the BMD
records kept by the different sites, or are they all the same?

David Scriven


Searching for Schneider/Tenenbaum in Argentina #warsaw #poland

Mary Jo Cutler <mjocutler@...>
 

Greetings all JewishGenners. We are searching for the family of my
husband's grandfather, most likely living in Argentina, but possibly =
they
have emigrated elsewhere.

His grandfather was Isador Tenenbaum (spelled that way). He =
immigrated to
the US >from Warsaw, Poland in the early 1900s. In the 1920s/1930s, he =
had
two sisters and one brother who immigrated to Argentina during the time
period when the US was largely closed to immigration. =A0The remainder =
of the
family perished in the holocaust.

The two sisters, of course, had the same maiden name as my grandfather
(Tenenbaum) but they both married and undoubtedly took new names, which =
we
don't know. The one brother, unfortunately, died young in an
automobile
accident in Argentina. One sister was very successful and her family =
owned a factory which produced alligator handbags. =A0One of the sisters had a =
son in medical school. The sisters visited us in Boston around 1959.

One sister had a daughter or daughter-in-law whose name was Schneider. =
That
may have been the married name one of the original sisters passed on to =
her
son (the doctor?), or maybe it was the married name of a daughter. In =
any
event, this family had a child (a granddaughter of one of the original
sisters) whose name was Mirtha Schneider. =A0For a time in the early =
1960s,following the visit, my mother (Miriam Cutler) carried on a =
correspondence with Mirtha. We presume Mirtha subsequently married and
also has a new last name.

We have no correspondence after 1965, perhaps my husband=92s mother did =
not
respond to Mirtha=85. In 1965, Mirtha lived at Tinojasta 2596, Capital
Federal, Buenos Aires. =A0She was a teenager then and would presumably =
be in
her late 50s or early 60s today.

We are searching for any members of this family. Any help would be
appreciated.

Mary Jo & Marc Cutler


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chosing a pay-site for the best coverage in UK records. #general

David Scriven
 

Dear Genners,

I've reached a dead -end using the free resources that
are available for UK (especially London) records, and I'm
trying to decide which pay-site would be best.

Do Genners have any experience/advice that would enable
me to choose?

I've tried to use the free BMD records via ancestry.co.uk to find
my grand-parents marriage that I know took place in 1904/5,
but I've had no luck - are there any differences in the BMD
records kept by the different sites, or are they all the same?

David Scriven


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Searching for Schneider/Tenenbaum in Argentina #poland #warsaw

Mary Jo Cutler <mjocutler@...>
 

Greetings all JewishGenners. We are searching for the family of my
husband's grandfather, most likely living in Argentina, but possibly =
they
have emigrated elsewhere.

His grandfather was Isador Tenenbaum (spelled that way). He =
immigrated to
the US >from Warsaw, Poland in the early 1900s. In the 1920s/1930s, he =
had
two sisters and one brother who immigrated to Argentina during the time
period when the US was largely closed to immigration. =A0The remainder =
of the
family perished in the holocaust.

The two sisters, of course, had the same maiden name as my grandfather
(Tenenbaum) but they both married and undoubtedly took new names, which =
we
don't know. The one brother, unfortunately, died young in an
automobile
accident in Argentina. One sister was very successful and her family =
owned a factory which produced alligator handbags. =A0One of the sisters had a =
son in medical school. The sisters visited us in Boston around 1959.

One sister had a daughter or daughter-in-law whose name was Schneider. =
That
may have been the married name one of the original sisters passed on to =
her
son (the doctor?), or maybe it was the married name of a daughter. In =
any
event, this family had a child (a granddaughter of one of the original
sisters) whose name was Mirtha Schneider. =A0For a time in the early =
1960s,following the visit, my mother (Miriam Cutler) carried on a =
correspondence with Mirtha. We presume Mirtha subsequently married and
also has a new last name.

We have no correspondence after 1965, perhaps my husband=92s mother did =
not
respond to Mirtha=85. In 1965, Mirtha lived at Tinojasta 2596, Capital
Federal, Buenos Aires. =A0She was a teenager then and would presumably =
be in
her late 50s or early 60s today.

We are searching for any members of this family. Any help would be
appreciated.

Mary Jo & Marc Cutler


US WWII enlistment records #general

Renee Steinig
 

I found a relative listed in the
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
on Ancestry.com. According to Ancestry, the source of this data is
Record Group 64 at the National Archives in College Park, Maryland --
WD AGO Form 317 (used >from 1941-45), WD AGO Form 372 (used from
1945-46), and Enlisted Reserve Corps Statistical cards. This database
is also available on the National Archives website --
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/.

Two questions:

1) Do the original forms contain any details not included in the
online database -- in particular. exact dates of birth, which would be
so helpful to identifying deceased veterans' in the Social Security
Death Index?

2) Can anyone recommend a contact person at NARA to write about these
military ecords?

Thanks.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.com


Searching for Cantor Louis FROMAN/ FROMEIN help needed ASAP #general

Susan Viuker Lieberman <Viukerville11@...>
 

Hello everyone:

I am searching for any information about Cantor Louis FROMAN/FROMEIN who
married a friend's grandparents in 1943.
The marriage took place at 745 Howard Avenue in Brooklyn.

Two questions:

1- Is anyone familiar with this Cantor?

2- If so , was he orthodox and what shul was he associated ?

The reason we are searching is in order to marry in Israel the Beth din
needs to know about this marriage of the grandparents of the bride. The
bride is Jewish and the Beth din agrees with that but it must know about
this marriage in order to be certain of other facts. It is terribly
important because the wedding is set in Israel for early May. This question
has just surfaced.

We have already searched the municipal records in Manhattan for 10 years
surrounding this marriage.

Thankyou very much,

Susan VIUKER Landau


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen US WWII enlistment records #general

Renee Steinig
 

I found a relative listed in the
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
on Ancestry.com. According to Ancestry, the source of this data is
Record Group 64 at the National Archives in College Park, Maryland --
WD AGO Form 317 (used >from 1941-45), WD AGO Form 372 (used from
1945-46), and Enlisted Reserve Corps Statistical cards. This database
is also available on the National Archives website --
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/.

Two questions:

1) Do the original forms contain any details not included in the
online database -- in particular. exact dates of birth, which would be
so helpful to identifying deceased veterans' in the Social Security
Death Index?

2) Can anyone recommend a contact person at NARA to write about these
military ecords?

Thanks.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Cantor Louis FROMAN/ FROMEIN help needed ASAP #general

Susan Viuker Lieberman <Viukerville11@...>
 

Hello everyone:

I am searching for any information about Cantor Louis FROMAN/FROMEIN who
married a friend's grandparents in 1943.
The marriage took place at 745 Howard Avenue in Brooklyn.

Two questions:

1- Is anyone familiar with this Cantor?

2- If so , was he orthodox and what shul was he associated ?

The reason we are searching is in order to marry in Israel the Beth din
needs to know about this marriage of the grandparents of the bride. The
bride is Jewish and the Beth din agrees with that but it must know about
this marriage in order to be certain of other facts. It is terribly
important because the wedding is set in Israel for early May. This question
has just surfaced.

We have already searched the municipal records in Manhattan for 10 years
surrounding this marriage.

Thankyou very much,

Susan VIUKER Landau


Re: New York doctor who stole babies after birth, 1920s #general

backon@...
 

teamungar@yahoo.com (Stuart Ungar) writes:
Hi Fellow JGENers,

My Grandparents Lena and Julius EISENBERG had two children (both
born in New York). I believe that before my mother (the oldest)
was born (she was born in 1928) that my Grandmother gave birth to
two other children. The children supposedly died shortly after
birth. My mother's birth announcement in the paper read:
"EISENBERG - To Julius and Mrs. Eisenberg, 906 E. 172nd St., a
daughter, at Tremont Sanitarium". I don't know if these other
babies were born in the same location?

It was found out later that the doctor who delivered those two
babies was arrested for selling babies. So, we are assuming that
these two babies may have suffered the same fate (taken shortly
after birth).

I am wondering if anyone out there has any information such as
newspaper clippings (on this "doctor") and/or can suggest ways
of checking records about these births. I don't know if a formal
burial would have taken place. At the very least, perhaps some
paperwork can be located that would show the record of these births.
Access http://news.google.com/archivesearch (advanced section)
The search is free; getting access to full page text of the newspaper
costs $10 per month.

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New York doctor who stole babies after birth, 1920s #general

backon@...
 

teamungar@yahoo.com (Stuart Ungar) writes:
Hi Fellow JGENers,

My Grandparents Lena and Julius EISENBERG had two children (both
born in New York). I believe that before my mother (the oldest)
was born (she was born in 1928) that my Grandmother gave birth to
two other children. The children supposedly died shortly after
birth. My mother's birth announcement in the paper read:
"EISENBERG - To Julius and Mrs. Eisenberg, 906 E. 172nd St., a
daughter, at Tremont Sanitarium". I don't know if these other
babies were born in the same location?

It was found out later that the doctor who delivered those two
babies was arrested for selling babies. So, we are assuming that
these two babies may have suffered the same fate (taken shortly
after birth).

I am wondering if anyone out there has any information such as
newspaper clippings (on this "doctor") and/or can suggest ways
of checking records about these births. I don't know if a formal
burial would have taken place. At the very least, perhaps some
paperwork can be located that would show the record of these births.
Access http://news.google.com/archivesearch (advanced section)
The search is free; getting access to full page text of the newspaper
costs $10 per month.

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@vms.huji.ac.il


Searching MACK Family in California #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I'm searching my husband's MACK family, specifically Ethel Mack >from North
Hollywood, CA, or her son Larry, >from northern CA. If anyone has
information or is a relative, please contact me privately.

Thank you and Happy Pesach,
Marilen Pitler
St. Louis, MO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching MACK Family in California #general

Marilen Pitler <mpitler@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I'm searching my husband's MACK family, specifically Ethel Mack >from North
Hollywood, CA, or her son Larry, >from northern CA. If anyone has
information or is a relative, please contact me privately.

Thank you and Happy Pesach,
Marilen Pitler
St. Louis, MO


Male or Female *shown* as first name on a Birth Record #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

I'm responding to numerous references in this newsgroup to "Male" and
"Female" shown as first names on a birth record.

It is more precise to state that in event of a live birth when the child's
name is not known (or has not yet been provided to the hospital authorities)
or when a child is still-born (born dead) at the time the certificate is (or
was) being prepared, the clerk / registrar insert(ed) the gender, "male" or
"female," in the first name column. In short, "male" and "female" are *not*
first names and shouldn't be referred to as such.

Naidia Woolf

Researching:
DROZDIASZ/RAUS: Karczew, Poland
GRINBERG (GRUNBERG), Lodz, Poland
ISAACS: Poland (near Warsaw), Birmingham, England
KUJAWSKI or WINTER: Lodz, Kalisz, Poland
SZAFIRSTEIN (or variants): Karczew, Poland
SHORN: Poland (near Warsaw)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Male or Female *shown* as first name on a Birth Record #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

I'm responding to numerous references in this newsgroup to "Male" and
"Female" shown as first names on a birth record.

It is more precise to state that in event of a live birth when the child's
name is not known (or has not yet been provided to the hospital authorities)
or when a child is still-born (born dead) at the time the certificate is (or
was) being prepared, the clerk / registrar insert(ed) the gender, "male" or
"female," in the first name column. In short, "male" and "female" are *not*
first names and shouldn't be referred to as such.

Naidia Woolf

Researching:
DROZDIASZ/RAUS: Karczew, Poland
GRINBERG (GRUNBERG), Lodz, Poland
ISAACS: Poland (near Warsaw), Birmingham, England
KUJAWSKI or WINTER: Lodz, Kalisz, Poland
SZAFIRSTEIN (or variants): Karczew, Poland
SHORN: Poland (near Warsaw)


Searching for SCHNEIDER/TENENBAUM in Argentina #general

Mary Jo Cutler <mjocutler@...>
 

Greetings all JewishGenners. We are searching for the family of my
husband's grandfather, most likely living in Argentina, but possibly they
have emigrated elsewhere.

His grandfather was Isador TENENBAUM (spelled that way). He immigrated to
the US >from Warsaw, Poland in the early 1900s. In the 1920s/1930s, he had
two sisters and one brother who immigrated to Argentina during the time
period when the US was largely closed to immigration. The remainder of the
family perished in the holocaust.

The two sisters, of course, had the same maiden name as my grandfather
(Tenenbaum) but they both married and undoubtedly took new names, which we
don't know. The one brother, unfortunately, died young in an automobile
accident in Argentina. One sister was very successful and her family owned
a factory which produced alligator handbags. One of the sisters had a son
in medical school. The sisters visited us in Boston around 1959.

One sister had a daughter or daughter-in-law whose name was SCHNEIDER. That
may have been the married name one of the original sisters passed on to her
son (the doctor?), or maybe it was the married name of a daughter. In any
event, this family had a child (a granddaughter of one of the original
sisters) whose name was Mirtha Schneider. For a time in the early 1960s,
following the visit, my mother (Miriam Cutler) carried on a correspondence
with Mirtha. We presume Mirtha subsequently married and also has a new last
name.

We have no correspondence after 1965, perhaps my husband's mother did not
respond to Mirtha?. In 1965, Mirtha lived at Tinojasta ****, Capital
Federal, Buenos Aires. She was a teenager then and would presumably be in
her late 50s or early 60s today.

We are searching for any members of this family. Any help would be
appreciated.

Mary Jo & Marc Cutler


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for SCHNEIDER/TENENBAUM in Argentina #general

Mary Jo Cutler <mjocutler@...>
 

Greetings all JewishGenners. We are searching for the family of my
husband's grandfather, most likely living in Argentina, but possibly they
have emigrated elsewhere.

His grandfather was Isador TENENBAUM (spelled that way). He immigrated to
the US >from Warsaw, Poland in the early 1900s. In the 1920s/1930s, he had
two sisters and one brother who immigrated to Argentina during the time
period when the US was largely closed to immigration. The remainder of the
family perished in the holocaust.

The two sisters, of course, had the same maiden name as my grandfather
(Tenenbaum) but they both married and undoubtedly took new names, which we
don't know. The one brother, unfortunately, died young in an automobile
accident in Argentina. One sister was very successful and her family owned
a factory which produced alligator handbags. One of the sisters had a son
in medical school. The sisters visited us in Boston around 1959.

One sister had a daughter or daughter-in-law whose name was SCHNEIDER. That
may have been the married name one of the original sisters passed on to her
son (the doctor?), or maybe it was the married name of a daughter. In any
event, this family had a child (a granddaughter of one of the original
sisters) whose name was Mirtha Schneider. For a time in the early 1960s,
following the visit, my mother (Miriam Cutler) carried on a correspondence
with Mirtha. We presume Mirtha subsequently married and also has a new last
name.

We have no correspondence after 1965, perhaps my husband's mother did not
respond to Mirtha?. In 1965, Mirtha lived at Tinojasta ****, Capital
Federal, Buenos Aires. She was a teenager then and would presumably be in
her late 50s or early 60s today.

We are searching for any members of this family. Any help would be
appreciated.

Mary Jo & Marc Cutler