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Re: 40 year old phone numbers #general

Jeff Hecht <jeffhecht@...>
 

A little background will help explain what you can hope to learn >from
old phone numbers.

The history of US area codes dates back to 1947 when the first were
assigned, according to http://www.area-codes.com/area-code-history.asp ,
which lists those early area codes. The goal was to allow direct dialing
of long-distance calls, which was implemented later and which we now
take for granted. Relatively few changes were made in area codes until
the 1980s, and there were a flurry of changes in the late 1990s and
early 2000s.

Each area code was divided into exchanges (at least in urban and
suburban areas). Those are now denoted by the three digits that follow
the area codes. They originally were three letters, followed by four
numbers to identify phones within that exchange, but New York City in
1930 shifted to two letters and a number to identify the exchange, so a
New York number might be 212-MU5-XXXX, with MU5 the exchange. The rest
of the country followed, but since then those old exchanges have all
been converted into numbers. For more background see
http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html and
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/ .

Originally exchanges were assigned to certain parts of a city, or to
certain suburbs. There might be several assigned to a populous suburb or
a district of a city. If you can find an old phone book >from the proper
period, knowing the exchange can tell you something about where a person
lived. It's probably more valuable if the number is for a suburban town.
For example, in 1947, all of New Jersey was 201, but knowing an exchange
could pin down where in New Jersey the person lived. (By the 1960s, 201
was only northern New Jersey, but still covered a large area.) So if you
have an old phone number 201-YYY-XXXX, an old phone directory could tell
you what town had the YYY exchange, and greatly narrow your search.

There is considerable ancient history, and it took a long time for the
seven-digit standard to spread in the US, so if you go back to, say, the
1920s you might find only a four-digit number and a town.

Other countries have their own histories. See
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/ for some discussion.

Historically, long-distance prices in the US used to depend heavily on
distance, so it would be more common to call people in adjacent states
than across the country. Cost also meant long-distance calls were more
likely to be for emergencies than routine chatting.

Jeff Hecht (seeking HECHT, SUSSMAN)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 40 year old phone numbers #general

Jeff Hecht <jeffhecht@...>
 

A little background will help explain what you can hope to learn >from
old phone numbers.

The history of US area codes dates back to 1947 when the first were
assigned, according to http://www.area-codes.com/area-code-history.asp ,
which lists those early area codes. The goal was to allow direct dialing
of long-distance calls, which was implemented later and which we now
take for granted. Relatively few changes were made in area codes until
the 1980s, and there were a flurry of changes in the late 1990s and
early 2000s.

Each area code was divided into exchanges (at least in urban and
suburban areas). Those are now denoted by the three digits that follow
the area codes. They originally were three letters, followed by four
numbers to identify phones within that exchange, but New York City in
1930 shifted to two letters and a number to identify the exchange, so a
New York number might be 212-MU5-XXXX, with MU5 the exchange. The rest
of the country followed, but since then those old exchanges have all
been converted into numbers. For more background see
http://ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html and
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/ .

Originally exchanges were assigned to certain parts of a city, or to
certain suburbs. There might be several assigned to a populous suburb or
a district of a city. If you can find an old phone book >from the proper
period, knowing the exchange can tell you something about where a person
lived. It's probably more valuable if the number is for a suburban town.
For example, in 1947, all of New Jersey was 201, but knowing an exchange
could pin down where in New Jersey the person lived. (By the 1960s, 201
was only northern New Jersey, but still covered a large area.) So if you
have an old phone number 201-YYY-XXXX, an old phone directory could tell
you what town had the YYY exchange, and greatly narrow your search.

There is considerable ancient history, and it took a long time for the
seven-digit standard to spread in the US, so if you go back to, say, the
1920s you might find only a four-digit number and a town.

Other countries have their own histories. See
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/91/ for some discussion.

Historically, long-distance prices in the US used to depend heavily on
distance, so it would be more common to call people in adjacent states
than across the country. Cost also meant long-distance calls were more
likely to be for emergencies than routine chatting.

Jeff Hecht (seeking HECHT, SUSSMAN)


Re: Hitler's Children #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

You may like to view my piece which was published on the JewishGen Blog
(http://www.jewishgen.blogspot.com) on Monday, June 22, 2009 regarding this
topic. The book by this name is also mentioned which came out in 1991 and a
web site address is provided where you may read excerpts >from the book.

There are always up-to-the-minute pieces on the Blog which you should take
advantage of. Several recent titles are: "Cornerstone laid for Museum of
Polish Jews in Warsaw", Remains of Israeli MIA Found After 61 Years", "Audio
tape helps family find Lodz grave of relatives", "Small Jewish Community
Still Remains in Syria", "Holocaust Memorial in Przemysl Synagogue", "Afghan
Synagogue Now a School", and many others.

It seems that I have not been posting as much on the JewishGen digest as I
have in the past due to writing longer pieces for the Blog. In the future,
I and others who write for the Blog will try and post on the JewishGen
digest first. This will alert readers to these more detailed pieces that
are too long for the digest, but can be found on the Blog. It is important
to take advantage of these resources which may be able to bring to your
attention things which you were not aware of that relate to your family
research.

Sometime in the near future, I will be posting a piece on how one researcher
in Australia found information in one of my Blog pieces about Northern
Ireland. He then used this resource to locate his family that he did not
know existed in Belfast. Quite a surprise for him!

So, stay tuned . . . the Blog is there waiting patiently for your readership
and responses.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Hitler's Children #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

You may like to view my piece which was published on the JewishGen Blog
(http://www.jewishgen.blogspot.com) on Monday, June 22, 2009 regarding this
topic. The book by this name is also mentioned which came out in 1991 and a
web site address is provided where you may read excerpts >from the book.

There are always up-to-the-minute pieces on the Blog which you should take
advantage of. Several recent titles are: "Cornerstone laid for Museum of
Polish Jews in Warsaw", Remains of Israeli MIA Found After 61 Years", "Audio
tape helps family find Lodz grave of relatives", "Small Jewish Community
Still Remains in Syria", "Holocaust Memorial in Przemysl Synagogue", "Afghan
Synagogue Now a School", and many others.

It seems that I have not been posting as much on the JewishGen digest as I
have in the past due to writing longer pieces for the Blog. In the future,
I and others who write for the Blog will try and post on the JewishGen
digest first. This will alert readers to these more detailed pieces that
are too long for the digest, but can be found on the Blog. It is important
to take advantage of these resources which may be able to bring to your
attention things which you were not aware of that relate to your family
research.

Sometime in the near future, I will be posting a piece on how one researcher
in Australia found information in one of my Blog pieces about Northern
Ireland. He then used this resource to locate his family that he did not
know existed in Belfast. Quite a surprise for him!

So, stay tuned . . . the Blog is there waiting patiently for your readership
and responses.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Need photo of a stone in Edmonton Federated cemetery in London #general

Bob Roudman
 

Dear JGeners,

Would someone in the London U.K. area be able to take a photo of a stone in
the Edmonton Federated cemetery in London. I have the name and plot number.
Any suggestions as how to obtain a photo at Edmonton would be most welcome.

Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
U.S.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need photo of a stone in Edmonton Federated cemetery in London #general

Bob Roudman
 

Dear JGeners,

Would someone in the London U.K. area be able to take a photo of a stone in
the Edmonton Federated cemetery in London. I have the name and plot number.
Any suggestions as how to obtain a photo at Edmonton would be most welcome.

Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael, CA
U.S.


Arizona (Phoenix) Marriage Record Search needed #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I need to find a marriage record for a marriage that took place probably in
Maricopa County, Arizona during the Depression. The records are indexed by
name and are on microfilm but are only available on-site or by having
someone in the Clerk's office do a search (for a hefty fee). If anyone is
willing to go to the Superior Court offices in Phoenix, please let me know
and I will send particulars.

This is a very interesting situation as the finding of a marriage license
may prove that my grandfather was a bigamist. Amazing the things we find
out in our genealogical research!

Rochelle Gershenow
Oxford, CT

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa; USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Belarus); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine);
PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON (Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA);
SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus) or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin,
Belarus--now Ludza, Latvia; Vitebsk, Belarus; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki,
Ukraine); VILENSKY (Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Arizona (Phoenix) Marriage Record Search needed #general

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I need to find a marriage record for a marriage that took place probably in
Maricopa County, Arizona during the Depression. The records are indexed by
name and are on microfilm but are only available on-site or by having
someone in the Clerk's office do a search (for a hefty fee). If anyone is
willing to go to the Superior Court offices in Phoenix, please let me know
and I will send particulars.

This is a very interesting situation as the finding of a marriage license
may prove that my grandfather was a bigamist. Amazing the things we find
out in our genealogical research!

Rochelle Gershenow
Oxford, CT

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus; South Africa; USA); CHAIKIN (Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Belarus); LIFSCHITZ (Priluki,Ukraine);
PURINSON/PURINZON/PURRINSON (Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Israel; USA);
SLONIMSKY (Minsk, Belarus) or SLONIM (USA); SONDEK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Lutzin,
Belarus--now Ludza, Latvia; Vitebsk, Belarus; USA); SOKOLOFF (Priluki,
Ukraine); VILENSKY (Ukraine)


Announcing a New Book about the Jews of Kamenets #general

henry <henry.zzzabcde@...>
 

Landsleit:

We are very pleased to announce the publication of a book about the
Jews of Kamenets, "The People Who Lived Among Us" by the historian
G.S. Musevich of Kamenets.

This is a non-commercial project.

This book is *not* for sale and will be distributed only in Belarus.

Mr. Musevich has been the unofficial historian of his native town for many
years. His interest extends to a number of nearby towns in the region, which
is to the north of the city of Brest, at the western border of today's
Belarus.

This book is one of the first modern efforts by individual
citizen--historians of Belarus to recover >from the destruction of the last
100 years. The Jewish communities of the region are vital parts of this
history.

Mr. Musevich is a careful researcher. He depends heavily on eye-witness
statements and archival documents. His overriding concern is that this
information not be lost forever, as so much of his country's history has
been.

The 92-page book is in Russian. It is set to be printed in Brest this week.
The book will be distributed within Belarus only, primarily to libraries,
historical organizations, and Belarusian Jewish groups.

More about the book, including a portion of the author's introduction, an
outline, and sample material, may be viewed here:

http://www.brest-belarus.org/sp/the_people.html

Arrangements for translation to, and publication in English are underway.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
webmaster: www.brest-belarus.org
henryzzzneu@... (remove zzz)
Palo Alto, CA USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The book title in Russian has been removed >from this
post. We are technically unable to handle non-roman text.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Announcing a New Book about the Jews of Kamenets #general

henry <henry.zzzabcde@...>
 

Landsleit:

We are very pleased to announce the publication of a book about the
Jews of Kamenets, "The People Who Lived Among Us" by the historian
G.S. Musevich of Kamenets.

This is a non-commercial project.

This book is *not* for sale and will be distributed only in Belarus.

Mr. Musevich has been the unofficial historian of his native town for many
years. His interest extends to a number of nearby towns in the region, which
is to the north of the city of Brest, at the western border of today's
Belarus.

This book is one of the first modern efforts by individual
citizen--historians of Belarus to recover >from the destruction of the last
100 years. The Jewish communities of the region are vital parts of this
history.

Mr. Musevich is a careful researcher. He depends heavily on eye-witness
statements and archival documents. His overriding concern is that this
information not be lost forever, as so much of his country's history has
been.

The 92-page book is in Russian. It is set to be printed in Brest this week.
The book will be distributed within Belarus only, primarily to libraries,
historical organizations, and Belarusian Jewish groups.

More about the book, including a portion of the author's introduction, an
outline, and sample material, may be viewed here:

http://www.brest-belarus.org/sp/the_people.html

Arrangements for translation to, and publication in English are underway.

Thanks,

Henry

Henry Neugass
webmaster: www.brest-belarus.org
henryzzzneu@... (remove zzz)
Palo Alto, CA USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The book title in Russian has been removed >from this
post. We are technically unable to handle non-roman text.


Symbol of open book on tombstone #general

Lori Swartz
 

I have recently found the grave of great-great-great grandmother here
in Canada (happy Canada Day to all Canadians!). Her tombstone has an
open book etched onto the top of the tombstone. I have been looking
for the interpretations on what the book means, but I can't find any.
I find it interesting that there is a book on the tombstone of a woman
who died in 1909 and who was, to my knowledge, not educated.
I would appreciate any interpretations that you may have.
Sincerely,
Lori Swartz
Toronto, Canada
Searching: SHPUNTOV/GINSBERG (Zhuravichi, Belarus), SZWARC/SWARTZ
(Stopnica, Poland), SHACKNOVE (Irkutsk, Russia), WASSERCYER (Staszow,
Poland), AGRANOVE (Irkutsk, Russia or Kielce, Poland), MARKOWITZ
(Irena (Modzhitz), Poland), CHERTKOFF (Cherikov, Belarus), SHNIRMAN
(Belaya Tzerkov, Ukraine)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Symbol of open book on tombstone #general

Lori Swartz
 

I have recently found the grave of great-great-great grandmother here
in Canada (happy Canada Day to all Canadians!). Her tombstone has an
open book etched onto the top of the tombstone. I have been looking
for the interpretations on what the book means, but I can't find any.
I find it interesting that there is a book on the tombstone of a woman
who died in 1909 and who was, to my knowledge, not educated.
I would appreciate any interpretations that you may have.
Sincerely,
Lori Swartz
Toronto, Canada
Searching: SHPUNTOV/GINSBERG (Zhuravichi, Belarus), SZWARC/SWARTZ
(Stopnica, Poland), SHACKNOVE (Irkutsk, Russia), WASSERCYER (Staszow,
Poland), AGRANOVE (Irkutsk, Russia or Kielce, Poland), MARKOWITZ
(Irena (Modzhitz), Poland), CHERTKOFF (Cherikov, Belarus), SHNIRMAN
(Belaya Tzerkov, Ukraine)


Manifest assistance NYC address & name #general

Cindy POTTER Taylor <knife-princess@...>
 

Genners,

You know how it is to stare at the computer screen trying to decipher
handwriting.....Ergo, I need some help.

Isaac NAGLIN arrived into NY (>from Hamburg) on the Pretoria on April 9,
1898. He gave a brother's name of WEINSTEIN (Weinshein....Manstein?????) at
30 (39) Market Street. Need to know brother's *first* name and *last* name.
Could it have been a b-i-l? I'm totally unfamiliar with anything relating
to NYC or environs. Where was/is Market Street? Thinking I could work
backwards to find out who was living at that address in 1898.

Broiling and being deluged (all at the same time) in Boynton Beach, FL

Cindy Potter Taylor


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Manifest assistance NYC address & name #general

Cindy POTTER Taylor <knife-princess@...>
 

Genners,

You know how it is to stare at the computer screen trying to decipher
handwriting.....Ergo, I need some help.

Isaac NAGLIN arrived into NY (>from Hamburg) on the Pretoria on April 9,
1898. He gave a brother's name of WEINSTEIN (Weinshein....Manstein?????) at
30 (39) Market Street. Need to know brother's *first* name and *last* name.
Could it have been a b-i-l? I'm totally unfamiliar with anything relating
to NYC or environs. Where was/is Market Street? Thinking I could work
backwards to find out who was living at that address in 1898.

Broiling and being deluged (all at the same time) in Boynton Beach, FL

Cindy Potter Taylor


Information on data contained in US-SSN applications. #general

Chris Gould <oldandintheway9@...>
 

Dear All
I have the US-SSN for what I think is a paternal great aunt who moved
to the US >from the UK.

Janie SALISBURY
24 JULY 1901 - 18 APRIL 1993
SSN - 336-26-0313
Issued - Illinois

Will this give any details on the place of birth of her parents who
came >from Poland and, in the 1890s, came to (and stayed in) the UK.
I understand that one can get a copy of the original application for
a SSN. Given that I am located in London, can anyone tell me the best
and quickest way to order this.
I am grateful for your assistance
Christopher GOULD
London/England

Still looking for:
ASHENFARB, BERGBAUM, GOULD, LEVY-GOULD, KORENBLIT, KOOSEL, SALISBURY,
SOLSBERG, ZALCSBERG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information on data contained in US-SSN applications. #general

Chris Gould <oldandintheway9@...>
 

Dear All
I have the US-SSN for what I think is a paternal great aunt who moved
to the US >from the UK.

Janie SALISBURY
24 JULY 1901 - 18 APRIL 1993
SSN - 336-26-0313
Issued - Illinois

Will this give any details on the place of birth of her parents who
came >from Poland and, in the 1890s, came to (and stayed in) the UK.
I understand that one can get a copy of the original application for
a SSN. Given that I am located in London, can anyone tell me the best
and quickest way to order this.
I am grateful for your assistance
Christopher GOULD
London/England

Still looking for:
ASHENFARB, BERGBAUM, GOULD, LEVY-GOULD, KORENBLIT, KOOSEL, SALISBURY,
SOLSBERG, ZALCSBERG


SILBERTs in Manitoba #general

yehuda frischman
 

Dear friends,

Many years ago, my late aunt, Sarah SILBERT PINX, wrote a brief family
telling of her grandparents Sholem and Passye SHOUFMAN, and Meier and
Mariam Silbert, as well as her parents (my grandparents) Leizer and
Malka SILBERT, their life in Bessarabia (She writes that she was born
in Ananiev), the pogroms there, and the decision of my zeide Meier and
later, his son my zeide Leizer to come to Canada. Here are some
interesting tidbits that I can tell you:

1. Zeide Meier was the pioneer, coming over before everyone else, and
actually worked on building the Canadian Transcontinental Railroad.
2. Aunt Sarah tells that the voyage over was on the steamship
Cecilia, and the there were 3 of eight children at the time: The
eldest, Sarah, Sam and Esther, who was an infant, and who almost died
on the trip over.
3. They went to Manitoba, and settled initially in Plum Coulee, and
later in Winnipeg.

Unfortunately, I was never able to corroborate any of this because I
couldn't find any ship named Cecilia-- until this week!

It so happened that I received a promotion >from Ancestry Canada, of
free access to their ship records until Canada Day, July 3. I went
to the site, put in the name SILBERT and Manitoba, and now have the
following new information:

1. The boat that Babba and zeida came over on was not the Cecelia,
but rather the Sicilian.

2. They arrived in Halifax on their way to Plum Coulee and Jan 3,
1908, with 3 kids (to quote the records: Sarah, age 4, Solomon,
(obviously uncle Sam aka Shmuel Yitzchok) age 3, and Esther, age 1/12
(one month old?)

3. On the record they are referred to as Maalka and Leisker, each age
27.

4. Zeides profession is listed as a harness maker

5. The ship traveled >from Liverpool, through St. Johns, Newfoundland,
and arrived in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

6. I also saw for free that in the 1906 Manitoba census, there were
three SILBERTS living in Lisgar township, Manitoba: Meier, born in
1859, Joseph born in 1886, and Moishe born in 1888.

One other interesting tidbit, is the name Joseph or Yosel SILBERT: My
mother, Connie SILBERT FRISCHMAN, (may she remain healthy and live to
120 years!) was born in 1918. Her older brother, Joe was born in
1913, and was obviously named for his uncle who must have died in his
20s. Zeide was a tall man, as are many of us (I'm 6'4"), and legend
has it that we have a great great grandfather they used to call "Yosel
Der Longer" (Yosel the tall one!)

Any family members out there?

Yehuda L. Frischman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SILBERTs in Manitoba #general

yehuda frischman
 

Dear friends,

Many years ago, my late aunt, Sarah SILBERT PINX, wrote a brief family
telling of her grandparents Sholem and Passye SHOUFMAN, and Meier and
Mariam Silbert, as well as her parents (my grandparents) Leizer and
Malka SILBERT, their life in Bessarabia (She writes that she was born
in Ananiev), the pogroms there, and the decision of my zeide Meier and
later, his son my zeide Leizer to come to Canada. Here are some
interesting tidbits that I can tell you:

1. Zeide Meier was the pioneer, coming over before everyone else, and
actually worked on building the Canadian Transcontinental Railroad.
2. Aunt Sarah tells that the voyage over was on the steamship
Cecilia, and the there were 3 of eight children at the time: The
eldest, Sarah, Sam and Esther, who was an infant, and who almost died
on the trip over.
3. They went to Manitoba, and settled initially in Plum Coulee, and
later in Winnipeg.

Unfortunately, I was never able to corroborate any of this because I
couldn't find any ship named Cecilia-- until this week!

It so happened that I received a promotion >from Ancestry Canada, of
free access to their ship records until Canada Day, July 3. I went
to the site, put in the name SILBERT and Manitoba, and now have the
following new information:

1. The boat that Babba and zeida came over on was not the Cecelia,
but rather the Sicilian.

2. They arrived in Halifax on their way to Plum Coulee and Jan 3,
1908, with 3 kids (to quote the records: Sarah, age 4, Solomon,
(obviously uncle Sam aka Shmuel Yitzchok) age 3, and Esther, age 1/12
(one month old?)

3. On the record they are referred to as Maalka and Leisker, each age
27.

4. Zeides profession is listed as a harness maker

5. The ship traveled >from Liverpool, through St. Johns, Newfoundland,
and arrived in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

6. I also saw for free that in the 1906 Manitoba census, there were
three SILBERTS living in Lisgar township, Manitoba: Meier, born in
1859, Joseph born in 1886, and Moishe born in 1888.

One other interesting tidbit, is the name Joseph or Yosel SILBERT: My
mother, Connie SILBERT FRISCHMAN, (may she remain healthy and live to
120 years!) was born in 1918. Her older brother, Joe was born in
1913, and was obviously named for his uncle who must have died in his
20s. Zeide was a tall man, as are many of us (I'm 6'4"), and legend
has it that we have a great great grandfather they used to call "Yosel
Der Longer" (Yosel the tall one!)

Any family members out there?

Yehuda L. Frischman


period of one year for burial and inconsistent dates of death to a lunar year around #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

1 / The facts:
During my research, I have found two individuals, both defined as Izrael
GRINCAJG, son of Jakub. They are both born in 1813. According to the
documents consulted, they are both deceased a 6 Sivan in Warsaw: during
the year 5651 for one (death record), duuring the year 5652 for another
(tombstone). Any error in reading or interpretation is excluded. Any
clerical error seems unlikely.
2 / Additional informations
While surfing the Internet, I found these two pieces of information,
independent of each other:
-- It may in certain circumstances unearth the coffin and move him to a
place of greater holiness (generally, on the land of Israel which will
take place, according to tradition, the resurrection of the dead). This
requires clear that the funeral is " 'al tnaï" (conditional). It is
estimated that generally require a period of one year before
transferring the body (It's yahrzeit, the lunar year of mourning).
-- There are two minhaguim (customs) for the laying of the matseva
(tomstone), or as soon as possible after the chiva (a week after
mourning) and if possible before the 30 days or at the end of the
first year ( yahrzeit).
3 / questions:
-- Does anyone have knowledge of other cases where two people seem to
confuse in a only one, so with the exception of appearance that they
almost seem one to another to be dead in a lunar year of relative shift?
-- Are there any other information to take into account that would
warrant, otherwise or in the same way, that a single person be buried
under a tomstone which bears a date of death just posterior of a lunar
year compared to the real death?

Thank you for any answer.

Daniel Vangheluwe FRANCE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen period of one year for burial and inconsistent dates of death to a lunar year around #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

1 / The facts:
During my research, I have found two individuals, both defined as Izrael
GRINCAJG, son of Jakub. They are both born in 1813. According to the
documents consulted, they are both deceased a 6 Sivan in Warsaw: during
the year 5651 for one (death record), duuring the year 5652 for another
(tombstone). Any error in reading or interpretation is excluded. Any
clerical error seems unlikely.
2 / Additional informations
While surfing the Internet, I found these two pieces of information,
independent of each other:
-- It may in certain circumstances unearth the coffin and move him to a
place of greater holiness (generally, on the land of Israel which will
take place, according to tradition, the resurrection of the dead). This
requires clear that the funeral is " 'al tnaï" (conditional). It is
estimated that generally require a period of one year before
transferring the body (It's yahrzeit, the lunar year of mourning).
-- There are two minhaguim (customs) for the laying of the matseva
(tomstone), or as soon as possible after the chiva (a week after
mourning) and if possible before the 30 days or at the end of the
first year ( yahrzeit).
3 / questions:
-- Does anyone have knowledge of other cases where two people seem to
confuse in a only one, so with the exception of appearance that they
almost seem one to another to be dead in a lunar year of relative shift?
-- Are there any other information to take into account that would
warrant, otherwise or in the same way, that a single person be buried
under a tomstone which bears a date of death just posterior of a lunar
year compared to the real death?

Thank you for any answer.

Daniel Vangheluwe FRANCE