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Steerage #ukraine

GeoestherL@...
 

Thanks to Terryn for taking a shot at answering my question, and coming up
with a fare comparison. However, this needs to be put in the context of the
times and of our ancestors. I assume that most of the immigrants were
economically deprived (poor) which is why they left their homes to migrate to a
new country, and frequently with family. I would further assume that the
cost of a flight to Poland would be a significant hardship for poor or
unemployed Americans even today. We will never probably come to a conclusion on
this issue but we should consider the economic impact of steerage even at
$30. Unfortunately I never raised this question with my Dad's generation;
all of whom arrived that way.

George Liss


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Steerage #ukraine

GeoestherL@...
 

Thanks to Terryn for taking a shot at answering my question, and coming up
with a fare comparison. However, this needs to be put in the context of the
times and of our ancestors. I assume that most of the immigrants were
economically deprived (poor) which is why they left their homes to migrate to a
new country, and frequently with family. I would further assume that the
cost of a flight to Poland would be a significant hardship for poor or
unemployed Americans even today. We will never probably come to a conclusion on
this issue but we should consider the economic impact of steerage even at
$30. Unfortunately I never raised this question with my Dad's generation;
all of whom arrived that way.

George Liss


obtaining Lviv Archive documents moved from Vienna in 1945 #austria-czech

miltonkoch@...
 

I have been searching for a death certificate >from Vienna in 1915. I
was informed >from the Vienna archives that this death certificate was
"sent on Nov 18, 1845 to the Oberlandesgericht (Upper state Court)
Lemberg (probably today"s Lviv) for the Lodwolozynska District."
I was advised to contact them for this document.
This is the death certificate for SAMSON BARBASCH, die Oct 5, 1915.
Please advise as to how to obtain this document.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
BARBASCH/KOCH- VIENNA /PODVOLCHISK/POTOK ZLOTY/JAGELNICA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech obtaining Lviv Archive documents moved from Vienna in 1945 #austria-czech

miltonkoch@...
 

I have been searching for a death certificate >from Vienna in 1915. I
was informed >from the Vienna archives that this death certificate was
"sent on Nov 18, 1845 to the Oberlandesgericht (Upper state Court)
Lemberg (probably today"s Lviv) for the Lodwolozynska District."
I was advised to contact them for this document.
This is the death certificate for SAMSON BARBASCH, die Oct 5, 1915.
Please advise as to how to obtain this document.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
BARBASCH/KOCH- VIENNA /PODVOLCHISK/POTOK ZLOTY/JAGELNICA


PACHTER from Warsaw #latinamerica

tina levine
 

Dear Genners

A few months ago I discovered what I believe to be the grave of a
first cousin of my great grandfather at the online database of the
Warsaw Jewish Cemetery. The deceased's name was Yosef PACHTER, son
of Avraham. He died in 1927 at the age of 75 and was >from Siemiatycze.
(my great great grandfather was Yisroel Pachter; he had a brother
named Avraham Yitzhak and the family was >from Siemiatycze) .

At the moment I am searching for his descendants, if any do exist.
I have no idea if children/grandchildren survived the war or if they
left before 1939 and went to Israel, Western Europe, the USA, or
Central and South America.

If any readers know anyone with the family name Pachter who came >from
Warsaw please have them get in touch with me.

Any suggestions re: surviving records that might exist in Warsaw and
could shed more light on this man or his offspring would be greatly
appreciated as well. thank you in advance for your assistance.

Tina Pachter Levine
NYC
Searching PACHTER - siemiatycze, Bransk and Warsaw


Latin America #LatinAmerica PACHTER from Warsaw #latinamerica

tina levine
 

Dear Genners

A few months ago I discovered what I believe to be the grave of a
first cousin of my great grandfather at the online database of the
Warsaw Jewish Cemetery. The deceased's name was Yosef PACHTER, son
of Avraham. He died in 1927 at the age of 75 and was >from Siemiatycze.
(my great great grandfather was Yisroel Pachter; he had a brother
named Avraham Yitzhak and the family was >from Siemiatycze) .

At the moment I am searching for his descendants, if any do exist.
I have no idea if children/grandchildren survived the war or if they
left before 1939 and went to Israel, Western Europe, the USA, or
Central and South America.

If any readers know anyone with the family name Pachter who came >from
Warsaw please have them get in touch with me.

Any suggestions re: surviving records that might exist in Warsaw and
could shed more light on this man or his offspring would be greatly
appreciated as well. thank you in advance for your assistance.

Tina Pachter Levine
NYC
Searching PACHTER - siemiatycze, Bransk and Warsaw


Re: Diabetes genetic disease among both Ashkenazim and Sephardim #rabbinic

Charles Nydorf <cnydorf@...>
 

Dear Siggers
If I remember correctly >from my genetic classes, close cousin
marriage is a two-edged sword. It will tend to keep a gene at a stable
frequency in the community except when, as in the case of Tay-Sachs,
the gene is lethal when inherited >from both parents (the unfortunate
child is homozygous). Homozygotes don't pass on the gene and if there
are enough of them, because of close interbreeding, the gene should
actually grow rarer.
Also if I am not mistaken, diabetes has a multi-genetic
causation and the case that Jews or other populations have a higher
genetic propensity for it has not quite been proved.

Charles Nydorf

Marriage of cousins was quite common and not just in rabbinical
families. It was not just to preserve yichus. In many cases it was
also to keep money in the family and/or to be certain there had not
been any intermarriage or mental illness. Marrying a stranger posed
more of a risk. Marriages between cousins may have contributed to the
very high rate of diabetes among Jews both Sephardi and Ashkenazi.
We must remember there was no insulin in the 19th century and we have
no idea how many deaths were related to diabetes. This is far more
prevalent than Tay Sachs. Today diabetes is still a major killer with
its high prevalence of heart and kidney disease. Untreated diabetes
can also lead to mental illness and depression.

Sandra Levy - Jerusalem
MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of genetic diseases in general are beyond
the scope of this group. Responses directly related to rabbinic genealogy
will be considered for posting. Responses discussing DNA testing should
be directed to the DNA list or sent privately. Other responses may be
appropriate for the general JewishGen Discussion Group.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Diabetes genetic disease among both Ashkenazim and Sephardim #rabbinic

Charles Nydorf <cnydorf@...>
 

Dear Siggers
If I remember correctly >from my genetic classes, close cousin
marriage is a two-edged sword. It will tend to keep a gene at a stable
frequency in the community except when, as in the case of Tay-Sachs,
the gene is lethal when inherited >from both parents (the unfortunate
child is homozygous). Homozygotes don't pass on the gene and if there
are enough of them, because of close interbreeding, the gene should
actually grow rarer.
Also if I am not mistaken, diabetes has a multi-genetic
causation and the case that Jews or other populations have a higher
genetic propensity for it has not quite been proved.

Charles Nydorf

Marriage of cousins was quite common and not just in rabbinical
families. It was not just to preserve yichus. In many cases it was
also to keep money in the family and/or to be certain there had not
been any intermarriage or mental illness. Marrying a stranger posed
more of a risk. Marriages between cousins may have contributed to the
very high rate of diabetes among Jews both Sephardi and Ashkenazi.
We must remember there was no insulin in the 19th century and we have
no idea how many deaths were related to diabetes. This is far more
prevalent than Tay Sachs. Today diabetes is still a major killer with
its high prevalence of heart and kidney disease. Untreated diabetes
can also lead to mental illness and depression.

Sandra Levy - Jerusalem
MODERATOR NOTE: Discussions of genetic diseases in general are beyond
the scope of this group. Responses directly related to rabbinic genealogy
will be considered for posting. Responses discussing DNA testing should
be directed to the DNA list or sent privately. Other responses may be
appropriate for the general JewishGen Discussion Group.


Re: The founder effect and genealogy #dna

Pavel Bernshtam
 

Dear Charles, you mention that "Marvin Herzog of Columbia University
did this for parts of northern Poland."

Can you describe this work in more details? Which work was done? Based
on which data? Which results were received?

Thank you!

Pavel Bernshtam

From: Charles Nydorf <cnydorf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:16:26 -0400

Research done by linguistics on geographical patterns of variation in
Yiddish have long demonstrated that the founder effect is a real
factor in the Jewish settlement of eastern Europe. Single communities
were apparently often founded by a small group of people and these
communities budded off to settle the surrounding area. Specific areas
settled by people >from a single community, descendants of the small
group that founded the community can be identified on the map. My
mentor, Marvin Herzog of Columbia University did this for parts of
northern Poland.
It seems to me that genealogists could take advantage of this and
identify sets of ancestors associated with particular areas.


DNA Research #DNA Re: The founder effect and genealogy #dna

Pavel Bernshtam
 

Dear Charles, you mention that "Marvin Herzog of Columbia University
did this for parts of northern Poland."

Can you describe this work in more details? Which work was done? Based
on which data? Which results were received?

Thank you!

Pavel Bernshtam

From: Charles Nydorf <cnydorf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:16:26 -0400

Research done by linguistics on geographical patterns of variation in
Yiddish have long demonstrated that the founder effect is a real
factor in the Jewish settlement of eastern Europe. Single communities
were apparently often founded by a small group of people and these
communities budded off to settle the surrounding area. Specific areas
settled by people >from a single community, descendants of the small
group that founded the community can be identified on the map. My
mentor, Marvin Herzog of Columbia University did this for parts of
northern Poland.
It seems to me that genealogists could take advantage of this and
identify sets of ancestors associated with particular areas.


Leonard SILVER, Brooklyn--->California update. #general

LEWIS
 

Leonard SILVER, Brooklyn--->California update.
Thank you fellow GENNERS for so many emails. I was able to piece
together that night that the name was actually Leon SILVER. I
believe his father was Frank Silver and his mother was Clara Baratz
Silver. If alive, Leon would be most like mid-80s.
Thanks again.
Lewis Baratz, Hoboken, NJ
fiocco@comcast.net

--- Original Message ---

Seeking the family of Leonard SILVER, originally >from Brooklyn, born
around 1920, son of Clara Baratz Silver. The last information we have
is the family moved to California in the late 1930s or early 40s
following Clara's death.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Leonard SILVER, Brooklyn--->California update. #general

LEWIS
 

Leonard SILVER, Brooklyn--->California update.
Thank you fellow GENNERS for so many emails. I was able to piece
together that night that the name was actually Leon SILVER. I
believe his father was Frank Silver and his mother was Clara Baratz
Silver. If alive, Leon would be most like mid-80s.
Thanks again.
Lewis Baratz, Hoboken, NJ
fiocco@comcast.net

--- Original Message ---

Seeking the family of Leonard SILVER, originally >from Brooklyn, born
around 1920, son of Clara Baratz Silver. The last information we have
is the family moved to California in the late 1930s or early 40s
following Clara's death.


Great Synagogue, London #general

leadingnote@...
 

Dear Ray,
This synagogue no longer exists, having been bombed during the War,
but it was part of the United Synagogue so I suggest you get in touch
with them and try to get a marriage authorisation record. Here's the
website:

http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/marriage_records

It says that the records available on line go >from 1880, though the
authorisation records started in 1845. So, you should get in touch
with the Archivist - link at the end of the text.

Good luck. The authorisation record that I received told me where
both bride and groom had been born, their fathers' names and the
names of the groom's brothers. All useful stuff.

Jill Anderson, London UK

Searching for: ABRAHAMSON - Rokiskis, London, USA; ALTER- Austria,
London; DAVIS/DAVISON- Riga, London; HALPERIN - Lodz, London;
GINSBURG - Dvinsk, London, USA; JACOBSON - Poland, London, Hove;
MILGROM - Trembowla, London; NOR/NORR - Panevezys, USA; PEARL/PERL/
PERLE - Birzai, London, Plymouth; SCHUSTER - Rokiskis, USA; SCHWARTZ/
SWARTZ - Dvinsk, Rokiskis, London, USA

On 21 Jul 2009, at 07:04, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:

I'm hoping there might be someone with the time to do a little
research among the Great Synagogue of London files for me.
Benjamin and Matilda nee Solomon] HART married in the Synagogue
1875, I have their certificate. His father was Zalig Hart. It
is here and further back I like to get a transcription.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Great Synagogue, London #general

leadingnote@...
 

Dear Ray,
This synagogue no longer exists, having been bombed during the War,
but it was part of the United Synagogue so I suggest you get in touch
with them and try to get a marriage authorisation record. Here's the
website:

http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/marriage_records

It says that the records available on line go >from 1880, though the
authorisation records started in 1845. So, you should get in touch
with the Archivist - link at the end of the text.

Good luck. The authorisation record that I received told me where
both bride and groom had been born, their fathers' names and the
names of the groom's brothers. All useful stuff.

Jill Anderson, London UK

Searching for: ABRAHAMSON - Rokiskis, London, USA; ALTER- Austria,
London; DAVIS/DAVISON- Riga, London; HALPERIN - Lodz, London;
GINSBURG - Dvinsk, London, USA; JACOBSON - Poland, London, Hove;
MILGROM - Trembowla, London; NOR/NORR - Panevezys, USA; PEARL/PERL/
PERLE - Birzai, London, Plymouth; SCHUSTER - Rokiskis, USA; SCHWARTZ/
SWARTZ - Dvinsk, Rokiskis, London, USA

On 21 Jul 2009, at 07:04, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:

I'm hoping there might be someone with the time to do a little
research among the Great Synagogue of London files for me.
Benjamin and Matilda nee Solomon] HART married in the Synagogue
1875, I have their certificate. His father was Zalig Hart. It
is here and further back I like to get a transcription.


Re: Question about NYC obituaries 1980s #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

See the New York State Library's lists of Bronx newspapers that are on
microfilm at NYSL
(http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/103.htm#Bronx)
and on microfilm and paper at other New York State locations
(http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/all/403.htm#Bronx).

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY
---
I am looking for an obituary of someone who died in the Bronx (NYC) in
1983. I havealready determined that there was no obituary or funeral
notice published in the New York Times.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about NYC obituaries 1980s #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

See the New York State Library's lists of Bronx newspapers that are on
microfilm at NYSL
(http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/103.htm#Bronx)
and on microfilm and paper at other New York State locations
(http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/all/403.htm#Bronx).

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY
---
I am looking for an obituary of someone who died in the Bronx (NYC) in
1983. I havealready determined that there was no obituary or funeral
notice published in the New York Times.


NYC Newspapers - Obits #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

The researcher might try "The New York Post" at www.nypost.com or "The New
York Daily News" at www.nydailynews.com.
Jews rarely listed obits in the latter paper, usually preferring "The New
York Times" , but you never know.

Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Newspapers - Obits #general

Irene & Paul Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

The researcher might try "The New York Post" at www.nypost.com or "The New
York Daily News" at www.nydailynews.com.
Jews rarely listed obits in the latter paper, usually preferring "The New
York Times" , but you never know.

Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


seeking Hamburg Jewish records #general

philafrum
 

Dear Genners:

I need a snail or e-mail address to contact for Jewish marriage records
from Hamburg, Germany >from 1920-1960. Where would they be available?
Thanks.

Evan Fishman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Hamburg Jewish records #general

philafrum
 

Dear Genners:

I need a snail or e-mail address to contact for Jewish marriage records
from Hamburg, Germany >from 1920-1960. Where would they be available?
Thanks.

Evan Fishman