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Central State Archives in L'viv #galicia

Suzan Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

The Central State Archives of Ukraine in L'viv has a number of
collections pertaining to Jewish organizations, including Zionist
groups, >from the 1920s and 1930s. There were many such groups
and, according to the CSA's inventory, a handful of the groups
are represented in the collection. To determine whether the
records of a particular Zionist group is in the inventory, check
online with Routes to Roots.

Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots website includes an inventory of
what is in each Fond (Record Group). The inventory, which was
prepared by Valery Bazarov, can be found in an article by Miriam
and Valery. Getting there is a bit confusing. You will first see
some photos but, eventually, you will get to a Introduction page
and then the inventory.

Valery's inventory included those Fonds that he believed would be
of greatest interest to Jews. FamilySearch filmed all of Fond 701
some years ago. The vital records >from this Fond has been known
to the Gesher Galicia SIG community for some time and they have
been the focus of intense study by various subgroups. Errors that
were found in the FamilySearch catalog have been corrected.

Recently, FamilySearch finished cataloging other films >from
"miscellaneous material" in Fond 701. None of this additional
material appears to include vital records (birth, marriage and
death). I have ordered all of these new films. >from the
inventories of Routes to Roots and FamilySearch, none of the
films likely include information about Zionist organizations.
However, there is a vast amount of information about kehillah
member lists >from many districts in Eastern Galicia, schools,
synagogues, orphanages, hospitals, resumes of rabbis and others,
and lists of residents of the Lwow ghetto 1941-2. My purpose in
ordering the films is to refine our understanding of what is
actually on these films.

The FamilySearch representative, Kahlile Mehr, who made the
selection about what should be filmed >from the L'viv Archives,
was at the Philadelphia conference. He and I will work together
to make any corrections to the FamilySearch catalog after I have
examined them. Mr. Mehr and I have been corresponding about the
possibility that further Fonds can be microfilmed. He assures me
that no further filming >from the many Fonds of interest is
contemplated, but I believe that, if the Jewish community raised
the money, FamilySearch retains the access to do additional
filming in L'viv.

Suzan Wynne
Vice President, Gesher Galicia
author of The Galitzianers: The Jews of Galicia, 1772-1918

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The article by Miriam Weiner and Valery Bazarov
is at http://www.rtrfoundation.org/archive-article4.html .


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Central State Archives in L'viv #galicia

Suzan Wynne <srwynne@...>
 

The Central State Archives of Ukraine in L'viv has a number of
collections pertaining to Jewish organizations, including Zionist
groups, >from the 1920s and 1930s. There were many such groups
and, according to the CSA's inventory, a handful of the groups
are represented in the collection. To determine whether the
records of a particular Zionist group is in the inventory, check
online with Routes to Roots.

Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots website includes an inventory of
what is in each Fond (Record Group). The inventory, which was
prepared by Valery Bazarov, can be found in an article by Miriam
and Valery. Getting there is a bit confusing. You will first see
some photos but, eventually, you will get to a Introduction page
and then the inventory.

Valery's inventory included those Fonds that he believed would be
of greatest interest to Jews. FamilySearch filmed all of Fond 701
some years ago. The vital records >from this Fond has been known
to the Gesher Galicia SIG community for some time and they have
been the focus of intense study by various subgroups. Errors that
were found in the FamilySearch catalog have been corrected.

Recently, FamilySearch finished cataloging other films >from
"miscellaneous material" in Fond 701. None of this additional
material appears to include vital records (birth, marriage and
death). I have ordered all of these new films. >from the
inventories of Routes to Roots and FamilySearch, none of the
films likely include information about Zionist organizations.
However, there is a vast amount of information about kehillah
member lists >from many districts in Eastern Galicia, schools,
synagogues, orphanages, hospitals, resumes of rabbis and others,
and lists of residents of the Lwow ghetto 1941-2. My purpose in
ordering the films is to refine our understanding of what is
actually on these films.

The FamilySearch representative, Kahlile Mehr, who made the
selection about what should be filmed >from the L'viv Archives,
was at the Philadelphia conference. He and I will work together
to make any corrections to the FamilySearch catalog after I have
examined them. Mr. Mehr and I have been corresponding about the
possibility that further Fonds can be microfilmed. He assures me
that no further filming >from the many Fonds of interest is
contemplated, but I believe that, if the Jewish community raised
the money, FamilySearch retains the access to do additional
filming in L'viv.

Suzan Wynne
Vice President, Gesher Galicia
author of The Galitzianers: The Jews of Galicia, 1772-1918

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The article by Miriam Weiner and Valery Bazarov
is at http://www.rtrfoundation.org/archive-article4.html .


ViewMate Translations - Yiddish or Russian and French #galicia

Sherri Finkel
 

I have 2 documents up on ViewMate that I would like help
translating. The first is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13370
and I think is in Yiddish (could be Russian). The second is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13371
and is in French. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sherri Finkel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate Translations - Yiddish or Russian and French #galicia

Sherri Finkel
 

I have 2 documents up on ViewMate that I would like help
translating. The first is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13370
and I think is in Yiddish (could be Russian). The second is
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13371
and is in French. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sherri Finkel


Brest Ghetto Victims Identified - TOKAR Family #poland

taxtroll@...
 

I know Brest is now located in Belarus but it was part of Poland when
my ancestors lived, and died, there so I wanted to post his here. My
ties are also to the town of Terespol.

Over the past 2 weeks, I've been in touch with one of those cousins who
knows everything but isn't very good at responding to e-mail (we all
have at least one). I've been using discussions on Geni.com to get her
involved and it worked. Thanks to the information I received, I've been
able to identify nine Holocaust victims, eight of whom I know were in
the Brest Ghetto (BGP reference below). The ninth is a connection to a
Page of Testimony:

Mojsze TOKAR, born 1852, son of Meir and Itka, BGP, a butcher per the
1937 taxpayers list (my gg-grandfather)

Szymon TOKAR, born 1885, son of Mojsz and Szprynca, BGP, a butcher
per the 1937 taxpayers list
Szprynca TOKIER, born 1926, daughter of Szymon and Frejda , BGP
Rosa TOKAR, born 1930, list on father's BGP
Saul TOKER, born 1910, son of Shimon and Frida - Page of Testim=
ony=
by Sidor Toker, Buenos Aires

Icko TOKAR, born 1897, son of Mojse and Szprinca - BGP and original
Brest birth record
Abram TOKAR, born 1920, son of Icko and Bela - BGP
Malka TOKAR, born 1924, daugher ot Icko and Bela - BGP
Szprinca TOKAR, born 1928, daughter of Icko and Bejla - BGP
Sheine TOKAR, born c. 1888, daughter of Moshko-Gershko and Seidel
(Szprinca) various Polish & US records, emigrated to US 1928 (my
g-grandmother)
Reyzl TOKER, born 1904, daughter of Movsha and Shprintse - original
Brest birth record, emigrated to Eretz Israel sometime after 1928

The earlier generations were likely born in Terespol with births
registered in Brest and the young people were likely born in Brest.
It's amazing to be able to see their faces on the Brest Ghetto
Passports. I have more passports that may tie into my family but I need
to trace the family back probably one more generation so I can go
sideways and come up another branch of my tree. As I entered these
names into my family tree last night it hit me that these are not
distant cousins. If they had come to the US, my mother might have known
them personally. I'm told that my ggm was 1 of possibly 8 siblings (but
only 2 survived)...I've now accounted for 4. In addition to the 2
butchers above, there are 3 other TOKAR butchers on the 1937 Brest
Taxpayer's List...they were not in the ghetto.

As for the Sidor TOKER who submitted the Page of Testimony, the date on
that was 1982 and he listed his Buenos Aires address. The TOKER and
TOKAR surnames were commonly changed to TUCKER in the US but I don't
know what was used in Argentina. Is there anyone in the group who lives
in Argentina, or knows someone down there, who can help me track down
his family? My cousin told me we had family in Argentina before I even
showed her this record.

As for Reyzl TOKER, I'm told her married name in Israel is KARINSKY but
I think the correct spelling is KRINSKY. She had 4 children, Itzrak and
Shlomo, both deceased, Pnina (living in Philadelphia??...a scientist??)
and Edna who still lives in Israel. I'm trying to make contact with
them. I was told that Reyzl visited the US once and I found a 1954 ship
manifest showing Shoshona KRINSKY and daughters Pnina and Edna
traveling to the NY. I'm not sure if Shoshona is Reyzl.

Sharon Klein
Johns Creek, GA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods and resources may be shared with
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JRI Poland #Poland Brest Ghetto Victims Identified - TOKAR Family #poland

taxtroll@...
 

I know Brest is now located in Belarus but it was part of Poland when
my ancestors lived, and died, there so I wanted to post his here. My
ties are also to the town of Terespol.

Over the past 2 weeks, I've been in touch with one of those cousins who
knows everything but isn't very good at responding to e-mail (we all
have at least one). I've been using discussions on Geni.com to get her
involved and it worked. Thanks to the information I received, I've been
able to identify nine Holocaust victims, eight of whom I know were in
the Brest Ghetto (BGP reference below). The ninth is a connection to a
Page of Testimony:

Mojsze TOKAR, born 1852, son of Meir and Itka, BGP, a butcher per the
1937 taxpayers list (my gg-grandfather)

Szymon TOKAR, born 1885, son of Mojsz and Szprynca, BGP, a butcher
per the 1937 taxpayers list
Szprynca TOKIER, born 1926, daughter of Szymon and Frejda , BGP
Rosa TOKAR, born 1930, list on father's BGP
Saul TOKER, born 1910, son of Shimon and Frida - Page of Testim=
ony=
by Sidor Toker, Buenos Aires

Icko TOKAR, born 1897, son of Mojse and Szprinca - BGP and original
Brest birth record
Abram TOKAR, born 1920, son of Icko and Bela - BGP
Malka TOKAR, born 1924, daugher ot Icko and Bela - BGP
Szprinca TOKAR, born 1928, daughter of Icko and Bejla - BGP
Sheine TOKAR, born c. 1888, daughter of Moshko-Gershko and Seidel
(Szprinca) various Polish & US records, emigrated to US 1928 (my
g-grandmother)
Reyzl TOKER, born 1904, daughter of Movsha and Shprintse - original
Brest birth record, emigrated to Eretz Israel sometime after 1928

The earlier generations were likely born in Terespol with births
registered in Brest and the young people were likely born in Brest.
It's amazing to be able to see their faces on the Brest Ghetto
Passports. I have more passports that may tie into my family but I need
to trace the family back probably one more generation so I can go
sideways and come up another branch of my tree. As I entered these
names into my family tree last night it hit me that these are not
distant cousins. If they had come to the US, my mother might have known
them personally. I'm told that my ggm was 1 of possibly 8 siblings (but
only 2 survived)...I've now accounted for 4. In addition to the 2
butchers above, there are 3 other TOKAR butchers on the 1937 Brest
Taxpayer's List...they were not in the ghetto.

As for the Sidor TOKER who submitted the Page of Testimony, the date on
that was 1982 and he listed his Buenos Aires address. The TOKER and
TOKAR surnames were commonly changed to TUCKER in the US but I don't
know what was used in Argentina. Is there anyone in the group who lives
in Argentina, or knows someone down there, who can help me track down
his family? My cousin told me we had family in Argentina before I even
showed her this record.

As for Reyzl TOKER, I'm told her married name in Israel is KARINSKY but
I think the correct spelling is KRINSKY. She had 4 children, Itzrak and
Shlomo, both deceased, Pnina (living in Philadelphia??...a scientist??)
and Edna who still lives in Israel. I'm trying to make contact with
them. I was told that Reyzl visited the US once and I found a 1954 ship
manifest showing Shoshona KRINSKY and daughters Pnina and Edna
traveling to the NY. I'm not sure if Shoshona is Reyzl.

Sharon Klein
Johns Creek, GA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods and resources may be shared with
the list.l


Re: Lodz Cemetery #poland #lodz

Marcel Apsel
 

Hi Nava,

Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of
Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz.

About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate
the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England,
I think in the 1920 or 1930s.

Kindly yours,

Marcel Apsel
Antwerpen, Belgium

marcap@...

-----Original Message-----

Subject: RE: lodz cemetery
From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Lodzers,
I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz
cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago
the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center
there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only
its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not
yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed.
Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain
access to the lists which are available in Lodz.

Nava Shochet
Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland RE: Lodz Cemetery #lodz #poland

Marcel Apsel
 

Hi Nava,

Which Bresler are you looking for. My wife's family are the descendants of
Chanoch Bresler and Mindel Zajf >from Kalisz, which is nearby Lodz.

About Goldring. It is not my family, but a friend of mine tried to locate
the family of Golding or Goldring who moved >from Lodz to Bradford, England,
I think in the 1920 or 1930s.

Kindly yours,

Marcel Apsel
Antwerpen, Belgium

marcap@...

-----Original Message-----

Subject: RE: lodz cemetery
From: Nava Shochet <nshochet@...>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:30:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello Lodzers,
I have a picture of my g-father by his sister's tombstone in the Lodz
cemetery, sometime after WWII. During a visit to Lodz three years ago
the grave was easily found in the lists of the Jewish community center
there, but when I went to the cemetery the tombstone was gone and only
its concrete support was left.A search in Steve Morse's site does not
yield any results.I saw many graves >from which the tombstones were removed.
Based on my experience more info is available.I wonder if we could obtain
access to the lists which are available in Lodz.

Nava Shochet
Researching - GOLDRING, BRESLER, LAUFER all of Lodz .


Re: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for
Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller.

Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother
is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the
photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to
have these people identified.

The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following
address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367

The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days.

The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to
make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle;
#13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle.

I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in
order to make the identifications for the photo.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lapidus from Daugavpils, Latvia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I am researching a LAPIDUS family who lived in Daugavpils (formerly Dvinsk),
Latvia, as I have a wedding photo taken in Rokiskis, Lithuania, in 1937, for
Abram Lapidus and Frida Meller.

Abram Lapidus was the son of Shmuel Lapidus and Dusia Jakobson. His mother
is in the photo, but there are a number of Abram's aunts and uncles in the
photo as well as his brother, all of whom do not have names. Would like to
have these people identified.

The photo has been submitted to ViewMate and can be seen at the following
address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=13367

The image will be available on ViewMate for seven days.

The people in ViewMate Image #13367 have numbers on them making it easy to
make an identification. The #'s I want to identify are: #6-Aunt; #7-Uncle;
#13-Brother; #15-Aunt; and #16-Uncle.

I am not really interested in any other Lapidus families, just this one, in
order to make the identifications for the photo.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Slichas Night? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas
snip...

More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for
forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi
tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after
midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous
Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would
be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi
tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul.

Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that
the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the
first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition.
--
Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Steve Orlen) writes:
What is slichas
snip...

More usually transliterated as Selichot or Selichos: these are prayers for
forgiveness that are recited before Rosh Hashanah. In the Ashkenazi
tradition, the first Selichot service is on the Saturday night (but after
midnight, so actually on Sunday) before Rosh Hashanah, or on the previous
Saturday night if Rosh Hashanah falls on Monday or Tuesday. That night would
be "Slichas night". It's not a particularly sad time, however. In Sephardi
tradition, Selichot start on the night after the first day of the month of Elul.

Now in 1921, Rosh Hashanah started on Monday, October 3, which would mean that
the Ashkenazi Selichos night would be September 24. September 4, 1921 was the
first of Elul. So your cousin must be following Sephardi tradition.
--
Robert Israel israel@...

University of British Columbia
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Slichas Night? #general

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title.

See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm

Gershon

I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest
day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear
her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse
me.")


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Slichas Night? #general

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

I wouldn't quite call it the saddest day of the year;
The 9th of Av carries that title.

See http://www.jewishmag.com/58mag/selichot/selichot.htm

Gershon

I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night, the saddest
day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept 1921. Did I hear
her wrong? What is slichas (besides that it means "forgive me" or "excuse
me.")


Slichas Night? #general

Walter Greenspan
 

Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,

You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced
"s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here:
http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm


L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770,

Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Slichas Night? #general

Walter Greenspan
 

Hi Steve Orlen Tucson Arizona,

You can read about selichot, prayers for forgiveness (properly pronounced
"s'lee-KHOHT," but often pronounced "SLI-khus") here:
http://www.jewfaq.org/elul.htm


L'Shannah Tovah & Happy 5770,

Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY


Re: Slichas Night? #general

David Rubin
 

sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't
very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night,
the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept
1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas..

Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul.
More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications
recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them
between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions)
before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at
other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh
Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic.

However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was
celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos.
This part of the story doesn't fit.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Slichas Night? #general

David Rubin
 

sorlen@... writes:
I just spoke with a cousin on the phone, and the connection wasn't
very good. I asked when she was born. "I was born on Slichas night,
the saddest day of the Jewish year." Her actual birth date was 4 sept
1921. Did I hear her wrong? What is slichas..

Sept. 4, 1921 was the second day of Rosh Chodesh Elul.
More than likely what your cousin meant was Selichos which are supplications
recited during days of awe. It is customary for Ashkenaz to recite them
between midnight and dawn beginning the first Sunday (with exceptions)
before Rosh Hashanah until the day before Yom Kippur. But are recited at
other times as well. Sephardim start reciting them right after Rosh Chodesh
Elul. So your cousin's parents must have been Sephardic.

However, the saddest day of the year, would be Tisha B'Av which was
celebrated on the 10 Av, August 14 1921 as 9 Av was on a Shabbos.
This part of the story doesn't fit.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin


Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

David Rubin
 

iraleviton@... >writes:

Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible -
there can be errors in almost any kind of document, and that corroborating
evidence should be sought whenever possible. Just because it's written,
even in dark ink or in stone, doesn't mean that it's so, or was so.
That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error on
my mother's death certificate - the error that I made when I gave
information to the funeral director.
Hello all,

We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is
questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and
not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored
away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy.

Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some
of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other
recorded sources they should override the above sources.

There are always exceptions.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: errors in death certificates. A biggie! #general

David Rubin
 

iraleviton@... >writes:

Martha Lev-Zion's message is a useful reminder that anything is possible -
there can be errors in almost any kind of document, and that corroborating
evidence should be sought whenever possible. Just because it's written,
even in dark ink or in stone, doesn't mean that it's so, or was so.
That reminds me - one of these days I'm going to correct the error on
my mother's death certificate - the error that I made when I gave
information to the funeral director.
Hello all,

We think Martha and Ira made their point very clear. When one is
questioned about the death of a close relative, they are grieving, and
not concerned or focused on facts that might be on documents stored
away. And this is of greater importance when relating to Jewish Genealogy.

Death certificates for immigrants along with grave markers, are some
of the least accurate sources of information. If there are other
recorded sources they should override the above sources.

There are always exceptions.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin