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Re: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's (Debra Price) #ukraine

Juliana Giudice <jbgiudice@...>
 

Debra Price, thanks for sharing this. Is your father's autobiography
available for reading somewhere?

Juliana Berland

researching: BERLAND/BENIN/BANYON (Romny/Chernigow);
BERKOWITZ/BUKAWITCH/BEKOVICH + AMBERG + EPSTEINE/EPSTEIN all >from Kiev?

On 8/19/2016 12:19, Debra Price dsprice@optonline.net wrote:
About 1920, when my father was about 10 years old, the family left from
what is now Ukraine and headed for the U.S. Here is an excerpt >from his
autobiography describing the land portion of the trip.

"My father, mother, brother Yosel with his wife Rosie and infant son
Jack, brothers Dave and Benchik, sisters Entzie and Pola, and I loaded hired
wagons and left Proskurov at night, for going through the villages and
fields was dangerous by day. (My brother Charlie was already in the U.S.)
We were headed for a stop-over in Lemberg, Poland. We planned to go via
Romania, which was the longer way, because the Polish border was closed due
to roving bands of bandits. However, when we got to the border we could not
proceed further because the bridges were being guarded by Bolshevik
revolutionaries and they did not permit anyone to leave. We were able to
rent a room for all of us which was to be for only a day or two until the
bridges would be reopened.
The town was soon overflowing with people but the bridges were not
reopened. Illegal border crossing was the only option available. Dave,
Benchik, and Entzie decided to cross the turbulent river in flat boats rowed
by two peasants. At a given signal during the night when the guards walked
off for a short while they made a quick dash for the boats and took off. The
boats were loaded down with as many people as possible, all lying huddled
together, so that the water was practically at the level of the boat. Entzie
said that she did not know where her brothers were until Dave coughed, as he
always did. So as not to give away their location, the peasant buried
Dave's head between his legs and put his hand over his mouth. When they got
to Romania on the other side of the river they had to climb the Carpathian
Mountains on foot. Once over the mountains, they hired horses and buggies
which drove them to their destination-Lemberg.
Those of us who remained stuck on the other side of the river spent six
weeks in filth, misery, hunger, and lice. I was full of lice. At night I
would sit and kill them >from my shirts and underwear. The worst off was
Polia, my younger sister. I would try to clean her head, which was full of
sores and lice. My parents sold some of our belongings to buy food. The
Jewish population was small and poor so they could not help us much.
Eventually we were told that it was at that time impossible to go to Romania
but that the Polish border was accessible at certain spots in the mountains.
We packed and left.
Getting to the Polish border was not difficult but at the border we
found that it was to be an illegal crossing over the mountain and on the
other side wagons would take us to the town. Of course, during the night,
when the moon was not bright. The mountain was steep, covered with ice. We
slid backwards more than we went forward. It was most difficult for my
father because of his deformed leg. My brother Yosel and my mother stayed
in back of him and pushed him forward. It was a horrible crossing, the
guards losing patience with us - quicker, quicker and quiet. With the
rising sun I saw for the first time bombed out houses. In Proskurov it was
robbery and sacking and destruction by hand. In Poland it was
different--cannons and bombs--and villages were in shambles. Eventually we
reached Lemberg and were soon reunited with my brothers.
We lived approximately 6 months in Lemberg, in the poor Jewish section.
Why did we spend so much time in Lemberg? Because we could not get a visa
to enter the U.S. since there was a quota system in effect and the quota was
full. The decision was made to go to Canada (where there was no quota at
the time) and >from there to the U.S. We went by train >from Lemberg to
France. It was my first train ride. I recall the checkpoint at the
Polish-German border. At one of our stops in Germany there was singing and
dancing at the station, all dressed in Bohemian or native costumes. It was
quite a colorful sight, lasting perhaps 10 or 15 minutes. The next place I
recall was Antwerp, Belgium. The streets were very clean, wide and had
trolley cars, which was something new to me. I was also impressed with the
public comfort stations which were in the centers of main streets.
Before crossing the Channel and entering England we had to undergo a
delousing process. We undressed completely and put our clothing in metal
pans for heating in an oven, while we lined up nude, men separate from
women, and were hosed down with what seemed to us to be kerosene."

Debra Price
Wantagh, NY

Researching KFAR, KVAR, KWAR (Proskurov & Lemberg), CHUNOWICZ (Makow
Mazowiecki)
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Question about Land Travel in Europe in the 1920's (Debra Price) #ukraine

Juliana Giudice <jbgiudice@...>
 

Debra Price, thanks for sharing this. Is your father's autobiography
available for reading somewhere?

Juliana Berland

researching: BERLAND/BENIN/BANYON (Romny/Chernigow);
BERKOWITZ/BUKAWITCH/BEKOVICH + AMBERG + EPSTEINE/EPSTEIN all >from Kiev?

On 8/19/2016 12:19, Debra Price dsprice@optonline.net wrote:
About 1920, when my father was about 10 years old, the family left from
what is now Ukraine and headed for the U.S. Here is an excerpt >from his
autobiography describing the land portion of the trip.

"My father, mother, brother Yosel with his wife Rosie and infant son
Jack, brothers Dave and Benchik, sisters Entzie and Pola, and I loaded hired
wagons and left Proskurov at night, for going through the villages and
fields was dangerous by day. (My brother Charlie was already in the U.S.)
We were headed for a stop-over in Lemberg, Poland. We planned to go via
Romania, which was the longer way, because the Polish border was closed due
to roving bands of bandits. However, when we got to the border we could not
proceed further because the bridges were being guarded by Bolshevik
revolutionaries and they did not permit anyone to leave. We were able to
rent a room for all of us which was to be for only a day or two until the
bridges would be reopened.
The town was soon overflowing with people but the bridges were not
reopened. Illegal border crossing was the only option available. Dave,
Benchik, and Entzie decided to cross the turbulent river in flat boats rowed
by two peasants. At a given signal during the night when the guards walked
off for a short while they made a quick dash for the boats and took off. The
boats were loaded down with as many people as possible, all lying huddled
together, so that the water was practically at the level of the boat. Entzie
said that she did not know where her brothers were until Dave coughed, as he
always did. So as not to give away their location, the peasant buried
Dave's head between his legs and put his hand over his mouth. When they got
to Romania on the other side of the river they had to climb the Carpathian
Mountains on foot. Once over the mountains, they hired horses and buggies
which drove them to their destination-Lemberg.
Those of us who remained stuck on the other side of the river spent six
weeks in filth, misery, hunger, and lice. I was full of lice. At night I
would sit and kill them >from my shirts and underwear. The worst off was
Polia, my younger sister. I would try to clean her head, which was full of
sores and lice. My parents sold some of our belongings to buy food. The
Jewish population was small and poor so they could not help us much.
Eventually we were told that it was at that time impossible to go to Romania
but that the Polish border was accessible at certain spots in the mountains.
We packed and left.
Getting to the Polish border was not difficult but at the border we
found that it was to be an illegal crossing over the mountain and on the
other side wagons would take us to the town. Of course, during the night,
when the moon was not bright. The mountain was steep, covered with ice. We
slid backwards more than we went forward. It was most difficult for my
father because of his deformed leg. My brother Yosel and my mother stayed
in back of him and pushed him forward. It was a horrible crossing, the
guards losing patience with us - quicker, quicker and quiet. With the
rising sun I saw for the first time bombed out houses. In Proskurov it was
robbery and sacking and destruction by hand. In Poland it was
different--cannons and bombs--and villages were in shambles. Eventually we
reached Lemberg and were soon reunited with my brothers.
We lived approximately 6 months in Lemberg, in the poor Jewish section.
Why did we spend so much time in Lemberg? Because we could not get a visa
to enter the U.S. since there was a quota system in effect and the quota was
full. The decision was made to go to Canada (where there was no quota at
the time) and >from there to the U.S. We went by train >from Lemberg to
France. It was my first train ride. I recall the checkpoint at the
Polish-German border. At one of our stops in Germany there was singing and
dancing at the station, all dressed in Bohemian or native costumes. It was
quite a colorful sight, lasting perhaps 10 or 15 minutes. The next place I
recall was Antwerp, Belgium. The streets were very clean, wide and had
trolley cars, which was something new to me. I was also impressed with the
public comfort stations which were in the centers of main streets.
Before crossing the Channel and entering England we had to undergo a
delousing process. We undressed completely and put our clothing in metal
pans for heating in an oven, while we lined up nude, men separate from
women, and were hosed down with what seemed to us to be kerosene."

Debra Price
Wantagh, NY

Researching KFAR, KVAR, KWAR (Proskurov & Lemberg), CHUNOWICZ (Makow
Mazowiecki)
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JGS of Maryland August 28 program #general

Susan Steeble
 

Speaker: Marian L. Smith
Title: "Thinking Over Time: Researching USCIS Records"
Date and Time: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Hadassah meeting room, 3723 Old Court Rd (Dumbarton Offices
entrance), Pikesville, MD

Please join us on Sunday, August 28, 2016, for our next program,
"Thinking Over Time: Researching USCIS Records," presented by Marian
Smith.

In this presentation, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
historical records expert Marian L. Smith will showcase late 19th and
20th century US immigration and nationality records. She will also
discuss how using a timeline can help one predict what immigration and
naturalization records may exist for a given immigrant, and how to
request records >from USCIS. Although the examples feature Jewish
immigrants, the records and process discussed will be of interest to all.

Marian Smith has been a historian and historical records expert for US
Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS, formerly the Immigration
and Naturalization Service) for nearly 30 years. She specializes in
the history and uses of immigration and naturalization records and
brings her experience to genealogical researchers to help them
understand what records may or may not exist for an immigrant, and
why. Her research primarily involves official immigration agency
records held in the National Archives in downtown Washington, DC.
Marian shares that research in a bi-monthly USCIS History and
Genealogy Webinar and occasional in-person presentations.

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to membership fee when a visitor joins JGSMD) after their first
meeting. Refreshments will be available. Please check our web site at
www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program
of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Maryland August 28 program #general

Susan Steeble
 

Speaker: Marian L. Smith
Title: "Thinking Over Time: Researching USCIS Records"
Date and Time: Sunday, August 28, 2016, 1:30 p.m.
Location: Hadassah meeting room, 3723 Old Court Rd (Dumbarton Offices
entrance), Pikesville, MD

Please join us on Sunday, August 28, 2016, for our next program,
"Thinking Over Time: Researching USCIS Records," presented by Marian
Smith.

In this presentation, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
historical records expert Marian L. Smith will showcase late 19th and
20th century US immigration and nationality records. She will also
discuss how using a timeline can help one predict what immigration and
naturalization records may exist for a given immigrant, and how to
request records >from USCIS. Although the examples feature Jewish
immigrants, the records and process discussed will be of interest to all.

Marian Smith has been a historian and historical records expert for US
Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS, formerly the Immigration
and Naturalization Service) for nearly 30 years. She specializes in
the history and uses of immigration and naturalization records and
brings her experience to genealogical researchers to help them
understand what records may or may not exist for an immigrant, and
why. Her research primarily involves official immigration agency
records held in the National Archives in downtown Washington, DC.
Marian shares that research in a bi-monthly USCIS History and
Genealogy Webinar and occasional in-person presentations.

The program is free for paid members and $5 for non-members (applied
to membership fee when a visitor joins JGSMD) after their first
meeting. Refreshments will be available. Please check our web site at
www.jgsmd.org for late updates and for the time, location, and program
of future meetings.

Susan Steeble
Baltimore, MD
JGSMD Public Relations


families KARP in New-York #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

I am searching descendants of Mendel KARP and Machla FELDBLUM emigrated >from
Warsaw to New-York in 1914. The brother of Mendel, Sam KARP, was already
emigrated in New-York. Many Thanks

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen families KARP in New-York #general

vangheluwe.smietan
 

I am searching descendants of Mendel KARP and Machla FELDBLUM emigrated >from
Warsaw to New-York in 1914. The brother of Mendel, Sam KARP, was already
emigrated in New-York. Many Thanks

Daniel VANGHELUWE, France

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Grigory LURIE the Zionist #general

Neil@...
 

Looking to make contact with descendants of Grigory (Grigori) LURIE,
1861-1917, noted Zionist who was in correspondence with Chaim Weizmann
(1903 period) and attended the First Zionist Congress.
His son Isaac was born in Pinsk in 1890.

Neil Rosenstein

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Grigory LURIE the Zionist #general

Neil@...
 

Looking to make contact with descendants of Grigory (Grigori) LURIE,
1861-1917, noted Zionist who was in correspondence with Chaim Weizmann
(1903 period) and attended the First Zionist Congress.
His son Isaac was born in Pinsk in 1890.

Neil Rosenstein

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PATLAJEAN - Kishinev and Paris #general

Jules Feldman
 

I am looking for the descendants of Hirsh PATLAJEAN who died in Kishinev
(Chisinau) in 1933 and his wife Milke (Malka) nee PERLSTEIN born 1862 in
Kishinev and expelled to Transnistria in the Holocaust and died there in
1942.

They had 2 sons: Shimshon Ber born 1883 and Simcha born 1894, and a
daughter Freyda born 1898. One of the sons migrated to Paris where he was
a sculptor; his brother and sister may have moved there as well.

My wife's great aunt Sara VOSKOBOINIK who was an artist in Tel Aviv spent
a few years in Paris in the 1950's and met the PATLAJEAN family.

I will be grateful if our French mavens can offer some clues.

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PATLAJEAN - Kishinev and Paris #general

Jules Feldman
 

I am looking for the descendants of Hirsh PATLAJEAN who died in Kishinev
(Chisinau) in 1933 and his wife Milke (Malka) nee PERLSTEIN born 1862 in
Kishinev and expelled to Transnistria in the Holocaust and died there in
1942.

They had 2 sons: Shimshon Ber born 1883 and Simcha born 1894, and a
daughter Freyda born 1898. One of the sons migrated to Paris where he was
a sculptor; his brother and sister may have moved there as well.

My wife's great aunt Sara VOSKOBOINIK who was an artist in Tel Aviv spent
a few years in Paris in the 1950's and met the PATLAJEAN family.

I will be grateful if our French mavens can offer some clues.

Jules Feldman
Kibbutz Yizreel

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suggestions toward research success may be transmitted to the list.


Professional researcher in Radom #general

Gary Patou
 

I am looking for a professional researcher who can help me with records in the
Radom archive. These would be Medical records of barber surgeons (Felczers)
and records that predate 1826. I would prefer someone based in or close to
Radom. Any suggestions appreciated.

Regards

Gary Patou
Los Altos Hills
California

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Professional researcher in Radom #general

Gary Patou
 

I am looking for a professional researcher who can help me with records in the
Radom archive. These would be Medical records of barber surgeons (Felczers)
and records that predate 1826. I would prefer someone based in or close to
Radom. Any suggestions appreciated.

Regards

Gary Patou
Los Altos Hills
California

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only, please.


New way to support Jewishgen #bessarabia

Inna Vayner <innanes@...>
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I just learned that amazon.com initiated a new offering - AmazonSmile,
under which everyone who shops at amazon can chose a charitable
organization and Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your eligible
AmazonSmile purchases to this charity. Please consider choosing
JewishGen as a charity of your choice every time you shop at
amazon.com. You will need to login into this website
http://smile.amazon.com/ and chose JewishGen Inc.

Inna Vayner
JewishGen, Tiraspol KehilaLinks website
Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots Facebook Group Admin
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/
**************************************************
Researching Vayner/Wainer/Weiner, Studinovskiy, Sheinfeld , Maizler,
Dekhtyar/Dechtyar/Dechter, Sobol >from Tiraspol, Nezavertailvoka,
Kishinev, and Odessa.


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia New way to support Jewishgen #bessarabia

Inna Vayner <innanes@...>
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I just learned that amazon.com initiated a new offering - AmazonSmile,
under which everyone who shops at amazon can chose a charitable
organization and Amazon will donate 0.5% of the price of your eligible
AmazonSmile purchases to this charity. Please consider choosing
JewishGen as a charity of your choice every time you shop at
amazon.com. You will need to login into this website
http://smile.amazon.com/ and chose JewishGen Inc.

Inna Vayner
JewishGen, Tiraspol KehilaLinks website
Bessarabian/Moldavian Jewish Roots Facebook Group Admin
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Bessarabian.Moldavian.Jewishroots/
**************************************************
Researching Vayner/Wainer/Weiner, Studinovskiy, Sheinfeld , Maizler,
Dekhtyar/Dechtyar/Dechter, Sobol >from Tiraspol, Nezavertailvoka,
Kishinev, and Odessa.


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #austria-czech

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


IAJGS2016 Share Fair #austria-czech

vera.finberg@...
 

My many thanks to Ellen Huppert, Alex Woodle and Ann Fuller for helping out a the IAJGS
Austria Czech Share Fair Table. It is helpful for attendees to note the presence of the Austria
Czech SIG, but I can not do it alone.
Vera Finberg


BONDY - DolniMesto/Lipnice, Vienna, FLUSS ? Pribsylav& Polna, Czech Republic

THIEBEN-Rousinov/Rakovnik, Czech Republic, KOHNER - Vseruby,Czech Republic/Budapest/Vienna

STIEDRY - GolcuvJenikov, Czech Republic,

SYNEK - MladaVozice, Czech Republic, ABELES -Luchovice, Czech Republic

ROUBITCHEK - Stasov?, Czech Republic


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #austria-czech

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech IAJGS2016 Share Fair #austria-czech

vera.finberg@...
 

My many thanks to Ellen Huppert, Alex Woodle and Ann Fuller for helping out a the IAJGS
Austria Czech Share Fair Table. It is helpful for attendees to note the presence of the Austria
Czech SIG, but I can not do it alone.
Vera Finberg


BONDY - DolniMesto/Lipnice, Vienna, FLUSS ? Pribsylav& Polna, Czech Republic

THIEBEN-Rousinov/Rakovnik, Czech Republic, KOHNER - Vseruby,Czech Republic/Budapest/Vienna

STIEDRY - GolcuvJenikov, Czech Republic,

SYNEK - MladaVozice, Czech Republic, ABELES -Luchovice, Czech Republic

ROUBITCHEK - Stasov?, Czech Republic


1924-26 Austrian swimming champions #austria-czech

lilotmoorman@...
 

I am looking for information about my father, Fritz Schuller, who was Austrian freestyle
and butterfly titleholder in the mid-1920's. Any leads would be appreciated.

Lilot Schueller Moorman
Looking for Schuller, Wiesner, Obernbreit
Lilotmoorman@gmail.com


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech 1924-26 Austrian swimming champions #austria-czech

lilotmoorman@...
 

I am looking for information about my father, Fritz Schuller, who was Austrian freestyle
and butterfly titleholder in the mid-1920's. Any leads would be appreciated.

Lilot Schueller Moorman
Looking for Schuller, Wiesner, Obernbreit
Lilotmoorman@gmail.com

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