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Rabbi Mordechai RUDINER/RUZINER of Karlin 19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My ggreatuncle, R' Chaim Dov KANTOR , of Moshav Meir Shfeya and Zichron Yacov-
1920s, writes in his diary that the RAVA"D (Head of the Rabbinical Court) of
Karlin was a relative of his mother. I am trying to research this connection. In
his handwritten original it seems that the name is RUDINER though research this
name in connection to Pinsk or Karlin during the second half of the 19th cent.
doesn't show anything.

Presumably my uncle was refering to a Mordechai who served in Karlin during the
mid-late 19th cent. At least one candidate appears and that is Mordechai ZACKHEIM
who I understand was born and/or served in Ruzhin before coming to Karlin. This
would make sense in context with the term RUZHINER rather than Rudiner.

This option is strengthened by the fact, that to my understanding, Mordechai
ZACKHEIM studied in the Volozhin Yeshiva and there is a family tradition that we
are somehow related to the family of Reb. Chaim of Volozhin.

I have a list of descendants of Mordechai ZACKHEIM taken >from "the Scattered
Seeds".

Is anyone on this list a descendant of or knows anyone who is a descendant of R'
ZACKHEIM who could help me make the connection between our family and the
ZACKHEIMs.

Can anyone suggest another Rabbi MORDECHAI who served in Karlin (or Pinsk) around
that time who may be a candidate for my gggreatgrandmother's relative?

Thank you

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Mordechai RUDINER/RUZINER of Karlin 19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My ggreatuncle, R' Chaim Dov KANTOR , of Moshav Meir Shfeya and Zichron Yacov-
1920s, writes in his diary that the RAVA"D (Head of the Rabbinical Court) of
Karlin was a relative of his mother. I am trying to research this connection. In
his handwritten original it seems that the name is RUDINER though research this
name in connection to Pinsk or Karlin during the second half of the 19th cent.
doesn't show anything.

Presumably my uncle was refering to a Mordechai who served in Karlin during the
mid-late 19th cent. At least one candidate appears and that is Mordechai ZACKHEIM
who I understand was born and/or served in Ruzhin before coming to Karlin. This
would make sense in context with the term RUZHINER rather than Rudiner.

This option is strengthened by the fact, that to my understanding, Mordechai
ZACKHEIM studied in the Volozhin Yeshiva and there is a family tradition that we
are somehow related to the family of Reb. Chaim of Volozhin.

I have a list of descendants of Mordechai ZACKHEIM taken >from "the Scattered
Seeds".

Is anyone on this list a descendant of or knows anyone who is a descendant of R'
ZACKHEIM who could help me make the connection between our family and the
ZACKHEIMs.

Can anyone suggest another Rabbi MORDECHAI who served in Karlin (or Pinsk) around
that time who may be a candidate for my gggreatgrandmother's relative?

Thank you

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel

Atlantic City, NJ directory #general

Paiste, Marsha S. <Marsha.Paiste@...>
 

Could someone with access to city directories >from Atlantic City help me?

I have a copy of the 1930 Census which places my great uncle, Harry Confiss, and
his wife Nellie on Pacific Ave. This surprised me because in Boston, he was
married to Christine or Christina Confiss and I believe she and their little boy
went to Atlantic City with Harry in the early 1920s. Could you look up Confiss in
the Atlantic City directories between 1921 and 1935 when Harry died? I want to
know when and where Christine and young Harvey lived and when Harry began living
with Nell or Nellie Evans Confiss. I also wonder when and if Christine is living
without Harry and is listed as the head of the household.

I am chasing this information because the NYTimes report of Harry's death by
suicide is intriguing. He was despondent and full of rage because someone caused
the death of Nell and the ruination of both of them. I bet there is a great story
waiting to be discovered.

Your help is much appreciated.

Marsha Starr Paiste

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Atlantic City, NJ directory #general

Paiste, Marsha S. <Marsha.Paiste@...>
 

Could someone with access to city directories >from Atlantic City help me?

I have a copy of the 1930 Census which places my great uncle, Harry Confiss, and
his wife Nellie on Pacific Ave. This surprised me because in Boston, he was
married to Christine or Christina Confiss and I believe she and their little boy
went to Atlantic City with Harry in the early 1920s. Could you look up Confiss in
the Atlantic City directories between 1921 and 1935 when Harry died? I want to
know when and where Christine and young Harvey lived and when Harry began living
with Nell or Nellie Evans Confiss. I also wonder when and if Christine is living
without Harry and is listed as the head of the household.

I am chasing this information because the NYTimes report of Harry's death by
suicide is intriguing. He was despondent and full of rage because someone caused
the death of Nell and the ruination of both of them. I bet there is a great story
waiting to be discovered.

Your help is much appreciated.

Marsha Starr Paiste

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research methodology of interest to the group.

Re: Ukraine SIG: Center for Genealogical Research Name Lists #ukraine

erbush@...
 

Thank you, Ron, for the explanation, and it does appear that in the case of the Center for Genealogical Research name lists, most Jews would be relatively easy to identify. That said, would it be possible to create a "short" list of unusual Jewish surnames? Or perhaps this would open up a can of worms.....lots of not really unusual names being requested. I Guess, just personally, I've had no luck tracking down the Ukraine REST/SERHIICHUK family and this seemed like a fantastic source of possibility.....

Elaine

On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Ronald D. Doctor wrote:


<<Elaine Bush asked "how [does] one determine a 'Jewish surname' when ... sources are translated. That's a good question.

The entries in name lists like those of the Center for Genealogical Research, sometimes identify the person as Jewish. That makes selection of Jewish entries easier. If there is no Jewish identification then we look first at the given names. If the given names are typically Jewish, we include the them in our lists. This is imperfect because a few Jews in Ukraine took local Russian names (Pavel, Ivan, Feodor, etc.) and some "Jewish" names were used by the Russian population (Yakov, Avrum Sura, etc.). In addition, we look at the record itself. If the record indicates the person was buried in a Jewish cemetery, we include him/her in the Jewish list. If the record indicates burial in a Christian cemetery or affiliation with a church, we assume the person was not Jewish. However, this too is imperfect. Some Jews in Kremenets were buried in the Monastery cemetery because there was no place in the Jewish Cemetery for them, especially during Soviet times.

So, we just do the best we can and recognize that there will be errors. We try to err on the side of inclusiveness, and leave it to researchers to decide whether they have found a potential Jewish ancestor.

Ron>>

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Ukraine SIG: Center for Genealogical Research Name Lists #ukraine

erbush@...
 

Thank you, Ron, for the explanation, and it does appear that in the case of the Center for Genealogical Research name lists, most Jews would be relatively easy to identify. That said, would it be possible to create a "short" list of unusual Jewish surnames? Or perhaps this would open up a can of worms.....lots of not really unusual names being requested. I Guess, just personally, I've had no luck tracking down the Ukraine REST/SERHIICHUK family and this seemed like a fantastic source of possibility.....

Elaine

On Jun 11, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Ronald D. Doctor wrote:


<<Elaine Bush asked "how [does] one determine a 'Jewish surname' when ... sources are translated. That's a good question.

The entries in name lists like those of the Center for Genealogical Research, sometimes identify the person as Jewish. That makes selection of Jewish entries easier. If there is no Jewish identification then we look first at the given names. If the given names are typically Jewish, we include the them in our lists. This is imperfect because a few Jews in Ukraine took local Russian names (Pavel, Ivan, Feodor, etc.) and some "Jewish" names were used by the Russian population (Yakov, Avrum Sura, etc.). In addition, we look at the record itself. If the record indicates the person was buried in a Jewish cemetery, we include him/her in the Jewish list. If the record indicates burial in a Christian cemetery or affiliation with a church, we assume the person was not Jewish. However, this too is imperfect. Some Jews in Kremenets were buried in the Monastery cemetery because there was no place in the Jewish Cemetery for them, especially during Soviet times.

So, we just do the best we can and recognize that there will be errors. We try to err on the side of inclusiveness, and leave it to researchers to decide whether they have found a potential Jewish ancestor.

Ron>>

ViewMate Translation Request - German #germany

Brian Lehman <blrrcn@...>
 

Hello,
I have added 2 marriage records to ViewMate, dated 1850/1857.
I am requesting and would be grateful for translation of as much of the
text as possible, to record in my records accurately.
Please follow the link below:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23169

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23166

Thank you for your help and take care,

Brian Lehman [City? State?]

Researching: Muenzenheim,Germany - DIEDELSCHEIMER,ELSASSER,HABISH,HABICHT,
TURKHEIMER. And all variant spellings

German SIG #Germany ViewMate Translation Request - German #germany

Brian Lehman <blrrcn@...>
 

Hello,
I have added 2 marriage records to ViewMate, dated 1850/1857.
I am requesting and would be grateful for translation of as much of the
text as possible, to record in my records accurately.
Please follow the link below:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23169

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23166

Thank you for your help and take care,

Brian Lehman [City? State?]

Researching: Muenzenheim,Germany - DIEDELSCHEIMER,ELSASSER,HABISH,HABICHT,
TURKHEIMER. And all variant spellings

Re: Suetterlin help needed. #germany

Andreas Schwab <andreas.schwab@...>
 

Anita Springer <aspringer@...> wrote:

I may need to hire a researcher to read through the documents for me.
If you read German, you might get help >from the following groups of
volunteers who can read documents in the old script:

http://www.suetterlin-schreibstube.de/
http://www.suetterlinstube.de/

These groups are based in Germany and will not do any translations.

Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Canada <andreas.schwab@...>

German SIG #Germany Re: Suetterlin help needed. #germany

Andreas Schwab <andreas.schwab@...>
 

Anita Springer <aspringer@...> wrote:

I may need to hire a researcher to read through the documents for me.
If you read German, you might get help >from the following groups of
volunteers who can read documents in the old script:

http://www.suetterlin-schreibstube.de/
http://www.suetterlinstube.de/

These groups are based in Germany and will not do any translations.

Andreas Schwab, Beaconsfield, Canada <andreas.schwab@...>

Litomerice 1921 census online #austria-czech

danielat1@...
 

Art Spira asks how the census records are arranged. Yes Art the Bohemian
censuses were usually recorded according to address. Each residence is
accorded one page of records. So if you have an address its easy to find the
records of the family or families who lived at that address.
If you don't have an address then you have to look through all the records
to find the family you are searching for. It can take quite along time.
The other option is to write to the archive and ask them to find it for you.
The list of Czech archives can be found on the National Czech Archives
website. If you find the home page the brown "button" on the LHS with the
words "Ceska archivni spolecnost" (meaning Czech Society of Archivists) will
lead you with a click to the word Adresar also on the LHS and that means
address in English.
Click on that and you will find a list of Czech archives which you can then
open with another click. The Litomerice archive is found by clicking on the
link Statni oblastni archiv v Litomericich. There you will find the email address
for enquiries plus a postal address and even telephone numbers.
Good luck
Daniela Torsh
Sydney

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please translate all of your posts to plain, unaccented characters before sending. If you simply copy Czech
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Czech Vital records #austria-czech

danielat1@...
 

Ronny Roberts mentions that "Pathen" in the Vital records has proved a
useful column to discern kinship links. I always understood that
grandparents - mainly the men- would take on the role of being a witness to
a birth in the family. So yes it is a vital piece of information if it was
recorded.
As for illegitimacy we know that if a male didn't have a Familiant number it
was forbidden for him to marry in the eyes of the State. A Jew could have a
Rabbi marry him but it wouldn't necessarily be recognised when the
Familianten laws were in place. They prevented legitimate marriages for many
years for the Jews. That is the most likely explanation for the so called
illegitimate births you are finding Ronny. The child would most likely be
registered under the mother's name until such time as the parents were able
to marry and once that happened the children could then be given the
father's name.
However the birth records would stand.
I'm delighted you are finding such good new material and hope that others
are as well.
Regards >from Sydney
Daniela Torsh
Australia

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Litomerice 1921 census online #austria-czech

danielat1@...
 

Art Spira asks how the census records are arranged. Yes Art the Bohemian
censuses were usually recorded according to address. Each residence is
accorded one page of records. So if you have an address its easy to find the
records of the family or families who lived at that address.
If you don't have an address then you have to look through all the records
to find the family you are searching for. It can take quite along time.
The other option is to write to the archive and ask them to find it for you.
The list of Czech archives can be found on the National Czech Archives
website. If you find the home page the brown "button" on the LHS with the
words "Ceska archivni spolecnost" (meaning Czech Society of Archivists) will
lead you with a click to the word Adresar also on the LHS and that means
address in English.
Click on that and you will find a list of Czech archives which you can then
open with another click. The Litomerice archive is found by clicking on the
link Statni oblastni archiv v Litomericich. There you will find the email address
for enquiries plus a postal address and even telephone numbers.
Good luck
Daniela Torsh
Sydney

MODERATOR NOTE: The Lyris system used by JewishGen cannot handle accents and diacritical marks, so
please translate all of your posts to plain, unaccented characters before sending. If you simply copy Czech
names, they come out garbled and the Moderator has to figure out what they were and replace them.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Czech Vital records #austria-czech

danielat1@...
 

Ronny Roberts mentions that "Pathen" in the Vital records has proved a
useful column to discern kinship links. I always understood that
grandparents - mainly the men- would take on the role of being a witness to
a birth in the family. So yes it is a vital piece of information if it was
recorded.
As for illegitimacy we know that if a male didn't have a Familiant number it
was forbidden for him to marry in the eyes of the State. A Jew could have a
Rabbi marry him but it wouldn't necessarily be recognised when the
Familianten laws were in place. They prevented legitimate marriages for many
years for the Jews. That is the most likely explanation for the so called
illegitimate births you are finding Ronny. The child would most likely be
registered under the mother's name until such time as the parents were able
to marry and once that happened the children could then be given the
father's name.
However the birth records would stand.
I'm delighted you are finding such good new material and hope that others
are as well.
Regards >from Sydney
Daniela Torsh
Australia

GUTMANN family from Offenbach #germany

Georges Graner
 

Hello
My wife's ancestor Charlotte GUTMANN is born in Offenbach (Bade) March
11, 1828. Her parents were Benjamin GUTMANN and Johanna WOLF. I suppose
they were married between 1822 and 1824 but the registries seem
unavailable before 1824. How can I found their marriage record and their
birth records ?

I know Johanna's father is Dr A. WOLFF who died Februray 8, 1847 but
no other information.
As far as I know, Charlotte GUTMANN had several sisters Mathilde, Sidonie,
Bertha and at least one brother Jacob, but details would also be welcome.

Georges Graner (Paris-France) georges.graner@...

German SIG #Germany GUTMANN family from Offenbach #germany

Georges Graner
 

Hello
My wife's ancestor Charlotte GUTMANN is born in Offenbach (Bade) March
11, 1828. Her parents were Benjamin GUTMANN and Johanna WOLF. I suppose
they were married between 1822 and 1824 but the registries seem
unavailable before 1824. How can I found their marriage record and their
birth records ?

I know Johanna's father is Dr A. WOLFF who died Februray 8, 1847 but
no other information.
As far as I know, Charlotte GUTMANN had several sisters Mathilde, Sidonie,
Bertha and at least one brother Jacob, but details would also be welcome.

Georges Graner (Paris-France) georges.graner@...

Botosani county records #romania

soring0412@...
 

Dear all,

I would like to announce that us, a small group of researchers, born
in Botosani, or with Botosani city and county origins have acquired
and indexed in the last 3 years the records of the following towns in
the Botosani county.

1. The city of Botosani - civil records 1865-1905, Metrical records,
censuses >from the 1820s, 30s and 40s.
2. Bucecea - civil records 1865 - 1898, Metrical records.
3. Saveni 1865 - 1907. Census 1845.

We are in process of acquiring the records of Mihaileni 1865 - 1895,
and Stefanesti 1865 - 1907.

For further details, see
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/botosani/Botosani.htm

Best regards,
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel

Romania SIG #Romania Botosani county records #romania

soring0412@...
 

Dear all,

I would like to announce that us, a small group of researchers, born
in Botosani, or with Botosani city and county origins have acquired
and indexed in the last 3 years the records of the following towns in
the Botosani county.

1. The city of Botosani - civil records 1865-1905, Metrical records,
censuses >from the 1820s, 30s and 40s.
2. Bucecea - civil records 1865 - 1898, Metrical records.
3. Saveni 1865 - 1907. Census 1845.

We are in process of acquiring the records of Mihaileni 1865 - 1895,
and Stefanesti 1865 - 1907.

For further details, see
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/botosani/Botosani.htm

Best regards,
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel

names lists #ukraine

sempaiira@...
 

Does anyone know of lists of names of Jewish Ukraine residents from
the middle 1800's to the very early (1910) 1900's? My grandfather
came >from Kiev, but we aren't sure if it was specifically in the city
or >from surrounding areas. We don't know much about him and there is
no one left to ask questions of. His last name was Love and we
suspect that his real last name was shortened to Americanize it, or
Love was a translation of a Russian or Yiddish name that had
connections to the concept of love. A list of residents might help us
to find the name.

I have his census records, social security application, draft records
for WWI and WWII, information >from town directories, burial records
and death certificate. There is no information there to help. I
can't find anything in the Ellis Island records, his immigration and
naturalization documents or marriage certificate. Any ideas on other
places I should be looking?

Ira Fink

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine names lists #ukraine

sempaiira@...
 

Does anyone know of lists of names of Jewish Ukraine residents from
the middle 1800's to the very early (1910) 1900's? My grandfather
came >from Kiev, but we aren't sure if it was specifically in the city
or >from surrounding areas. We don't know much about him and there is
no one left to ask questions of. His last name was Love and we
suspect that his real last name was shortened to Americanize it, or
Love was a translation of a Russian or Yiddish name that had
connections to the concept of love. A list of residents might help us
to find the name.

I have his census records, social security application, draft records
for WWI and WWII, information >from town directories, burial records
and death certificate. There is no information there to help. I
can't find anything in the Ellis Island records, his immigration and
naturalization documents or marriage certificate. Any ideas on other
places I should be looking?

Ira Fink