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NYC birth certificate for Rebecca EPSTEIN born on 28 Feb 1903 #general

Allan Karan
 

Greeting:

Anyone have an answer to this puzzle.
I have a NYC birth certificate for Rebecca EPSTEIN born on 28 Feb 1903
to Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN.

I am researching Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN daughter Rene (aka Beckie)
and can only find one EPSTEIN with this birth date in NYC and was quite
puzzled when I saw the parents names Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN. I cannot find
any information for Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN with a child that age except
for this birth certificate. Base on the following, can the birth
certificate be wrong. Nothing matches up for Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN
other then the birth date and surname EPSTEIN and the variation of the
first name.

Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN family plot stone shows that their
daughter 'Rene' EPSTEIN SOLOMON born 28 Feb 1903 and died 13 Jul 1990.
Harris EPSTEIN Petition for Naturalization lists 'Beckie' EPSTEIN
birth date as 28 Feb 1902 He is off by one year on all his children
in this document as I have verified this by their birth certificates.
The Social Security Death Index for 'Rene' E. SOLOMON shows her date
of birth as 28 Feb 1903.

Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN 1910 and 1920 Census show 'Rene' EPSTEIN
with the correct age.

Researching:
KARAN, CHORON, KHARAKH and KNIGER (Kopyl; Grozovo; Chepeli; Slutsk,
Belarus),PERSKY (Poltava, Ukraine); EPSTEIN (Kobrin, Belarus)

Allan S. Karan
White Plains, NY
akaran1@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC birth certificate for Rebecca EPSTEIN born on 28 Feb 1903 #general

Allan Karan
 

Greeting:

Anyone have an answer to this puzzle.
I have a NYC birth certificate for Rebecca EPSTEIN born on 28 Feb 1903
to Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN.

I am researching Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN daughter Rene (aka Beckie)
and can only find one EPSTEIN with this birth date in NYC and was quite
puzzled when I saw the parents names Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN. I cannot find
any information for Ike and Sarah EPSTEIN with a child that age except
for this birth certificate. Base on the following, can the birth
certificate be wrong. Nothing matches up for Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN
other then the birth date and surname EPSTEIN and the variation of the
first name.

Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN family plot stone shows that their
daughter 'Rene' EPSTEIN SOLOMON born 28 Feb 1903 and died 13 Jul 1990.
Harris EPSTEIN Petition for Naturalization lists 'Beckie' EPSTEIN
birth date as 28 Feb 1902 He is off by one year on all his children
in this document as I have verified this by their birth certificates.
The Social Security Death Index for 'Rene' E. SOLOMON shows her date
of birth as 28 Feb 1903.

Harris and Sophie EPSTEIN 1910 and 1920 Census show 'Rene' EPSTEIN
with the correct age.

Researching:
KARAN, CHORON, KHARAKH and KNIGER (Kopyl; Grozovo; Chepeli; Slutsk,
Belarus),PERSKY (Poltava, Ukraine); EPSTEIN (Kobrin, Belarus)

Allan S. Karan
White Plains, NY
akaran1@hotmail.com


New research on Jewish sites in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

re this discussion ie Tony Hausner's query and Daniela Torsh's reply.

You are just as likely to find the latest research on the internet and not
in a published book. Again we have discussed this resource {see Peter
Zimmer's message of 17 September 2007 in our message archives].

and at least one genner has availed himself/herself to this service of the
Jewish Museum, Prague: http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/adokuzo.htm

Electronic encyclopaedia of Jewish communities and other important places
in the territory of the Czech Republic.

".... Since 2003, the Museum has been gradually putting together an
electronic encyclopaedia of Jewish communities and other important places
in the territory of the Czech Republic. So far, about a fifth of the total
number of encyclopaedic entries (over a thousand) have been compiled."

Unfortunately, they are in Czech but it should not be hard to get your
entry translated or indeed to order one for your research area.

And what about Judaica Bohemiae - another publication by the Jewish
Museum, Prague where many articles are in English and can be downloaded
for a small fee? http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/aredjb.htm

I stress again and again that we on the Austria-Czech SIG have a vast
amount of data at our finger tips - the bane to good genealogy is
the "private reply". We lose links and threads. So please do enter our
electronic discussions, if you know something, but *before* you post do ch=
eck out our message archives.

There must be many of our 900 plus [guesstimate] silent members who have
something to contribute? Remember, we are today's "experts" - the older
generation has gone and in many cases, we now know much more than our
parents and grandparents ever did, thanks to the internet.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech New research on Jewish sites in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

celiamale@...
 

re this discussion ie Tony Hausner's query and Daniela Torsh's reply.

You are just as likely to find the latest research on the internet and not
in a published book. Again we have discussed this resource {see Peter
Zimmer's message of 17 September 2007 in our message archives].

and at least one genner has availed himself/herself to this service of the
Jewish Museum, Prague: http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/adokuzo.htm

Electronic encyclopaedia of Jewish communities and other important places
in the territory of the Czech Republic.

".... Since 2003, the Museum has been gradually putting together an
electronic encyclopaedia of Jewish communities and other important places
in the territory of the Czech Republic. So far, about a fifth of the total
number of encyclopaedic entries (over a thousand) have been compiled."

Unfortunately, they are in Czech but it should not be hard to get your
entry translated or indeed to order one for your research area.

And what about Judaica Bohemiae - another publication by the Jewish
Museum, Prague where many articles are in English and can be downloaded
for a small fee? http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/aredjb.htm

I stress again and again that we on the Austria-Czech SIG have a vast
amount of data at our finger tips - the bane to good genealogy is
the "private reply". We lose links and threads. So please do enter our
electronic discussions, if you know something, but *before* you post do ch=
eck out our message archives.

There must be many of our 900 plus [guesstimate] silent members who have
something to contribute? Remember, we are today's "experts" - the older
generation has gone and in many cases, we now know much more than our
parents and grandparents ever did, thanks to the internet.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


DICHTER Family connections? #ukraine

netzer@...
 

18.11.09
Dear researchers,
About a month ago I posted a photo on Viewmate. Many of you reacted, but
could not identify the family in the photo.
On the back side of the photo someone had written:
M.L. Dichter, 72-74 Broom St., New York City.

Some information was forwarded to me, but there was no thread as to whom the
family was, or who the descendants may be.

I will be grateful for any help with this mystery. Sincerely,
Dvorah Netzer,
Jerusalem

Researching:
Researching:
HACOHEN, PAPPE, SCHWARTZ, HIMMELFARB, KATZURIN, KACHURIN, ROSENMAN, ROISMAN,
MEDWED, BENDET, BENTOVIM, MENCZER, MENCZEL, KAHANE


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine DICHTER Family connections? #ukraine

netzer@...
 

18.11.09
Dear researchers,
About a month ago I posted a photo on Viewmate. Many of you reacted, but
could not identify the family in the photo.
On the back side of the photo someone had written:
M.L. Dichter, 72-74 Broom St., New York City.

Some information was forwarded to me, but there was no thread as to whom the
family was, or who the descendants may be.

I will be grateful for any help with this mystery. Sincerely,
Dvorah Netzer,
Jerusalem

Researching:
Researching:
HACOHEN, PAPPE, SCHWARTZ, HIMMELFARB, KATZURIN, KACHURIN, ROSENMAN, ROISMAN,
MEDWED, BENDET, BENTOVIM, MENCZER, MENCZEL, KAHANE


Re: Pogroms in the Ukraine @1919 - downloadable book #ukraine

spancestry@...
 

I found another source online that allows you to search for text within the
book:
http://www.archive.org/details/slaughterofjewsi00heifuoft

The best choices are:
Black and white PDF (13mb)
Full text (864k)


Mark Baich


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Pogroms in the Ukraine @1919 - downloadable book #ukraine

spancestry@...
 

I found another source online that allows you to search for text within the
book:
http://www.archive.org/details/slaughterofjewsi00heifuoft

The best choices are:
Black and white PDF (13mb)
Full text (864k)


Mark Baich


Pogroms #ukraine

AllanDolgow@...
 

Regarding a recent posting on Pogroms in 1919

http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/outsidelink.html/http://nrs.harvard.e
du/urn-3:FHCL:933117

The Slaughter of the Jew In the Ukraine In 1919

I reviewed this book at the Stanford University, Hoover Library .
You can read it on-line, as well as many other books at the Harvard site.

Other books of interest are noted below. Also the Digital Library has
books on many topics that you should look at.
:
http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/
Search Results
Result page: 6 Records search: pogroms in (Anywhere) .

Title
Persecution of the Jews in Russia, 1881
Date
1882
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:927984


Title
Correspondence, 1915-1924
Creator
People's Relief Committee for Jewish War Sufferers (U.S.)
Date
1915
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:968948

Title
Evidence of pogroms in Poland and Ukrainia : documents, accounts of
eye-witnesses, proceedings in Polish Parliament, local press reports, etc
Creator
Committee for the Defense of Jews in Poland and Other East European
Countries
Date
1919
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:929017

Title
The Jewish pogroms in Ukraine : authoritative statements on the question
of responsibility for recent outbreaks against the Jews in Ukraine / by
Julian Batchinsky ... [et al].
Creator
Batchinski­, Julian
Date
1919
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:1077022

Title
The slaughter of Jews in the Ukraine in 1919 / by Elias Heifetz.
Creator
Heifetz, Elias.
Date
1921
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:933117


Title
Pogrom geshikhᚭe (1919-1920) / fun Elye Ḥefetz.
Creator
Heifetz, Elias.
Date
1921
Link
_http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:952163_
(http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:952163)

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, Ca


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pogroms #ukraine

AllanDolgow@...
 

Regarding a recent posting on Pogroms in 1919

http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/outsidelink.html/http://nrs.harvard.e
du/urn-3:FHCL:933117

The Slaughter of the Jew In the Ukraine In 1919

I reviewed this book at the Stanford University, Hoover Library .
You can read it on-line, as well as many other books at the Harvard site.

Other books of interest are noted below. Also the Digital Library has
books on many topics that you should look at.
:
http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/
Search Results
Result page: 6 Records search: pogroms in (Anywhere) .

Title
Persecution of the Jews in Russia, 1881
Date
1882
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:927984


Title
Correspondence, 1915-1924
Creator
People's Relief Committee for Jewish War Sufferers (U.S.)
Date
1915
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:968948

Title
Evidence of pogroms in Poland and Ukrainia : documents, accounts of
eye-witnesses, proceedings in Polish Parliament, local press reports, etc
Creator
Committee for the Defense of Jews in Poland and Other East European
Countries
Date
1919
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:929017

Title
The Jewish pogroms in Ukraine : authoritative statements on the question
of responsibility for recent outbreaks against the Jews in Ukraine / by
Julian Batchinsky ... [et al].
Creator
Batchinski­, Julian
Date
1919
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:1077022

Title
The slaughter of Jews in the Ukraine in 1919 / by Elias Heifetz.
Creator
Heifetz, Elias.
Date
1921
Link
http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:933117


Title
Pogrom geshikhᚭe (1919-1920) / fun Elye Ḥefetz.
Creator
Heifetz, Elias.
Date
1921
Link
_http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:952163_
(http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:FHCL:952163)

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, Ca


Re: Pogroms in the Ukraine @1919 #ukraine

Naomi Fatouros
 

Two books come immediately to my mind regarding pogroms:

"Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History" Edited by John Klier and Shlomo Lombrozo, Cambridge University Press, 1992

Elizabetgrad pogrom of 1883: discussed or mentioned on pp. 40,45,54, 67,100,105, 329, 336, 337, 378

"Year of Crisis, Year of Hope: Russian Jewry and the Pogroms of 1881-1882," by Stephen M.Berk, Greenwood Press, 1985

Elizavetgrad pogrom: discussed or mentioned on pp.35, 101, 106, 138. 146


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE:Re: Pogroms in the Ukraine @1919 #ukraine

Naomi Fatouros
 

Two books come immediately to my mind regarding pogroms:

"Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History" Edited by John Klier and Shlomo Lombrozo, Cambridge University Press, 1992

Elizabetgrad pogrom of 1883: discussed or mentioned on pp. 40,45,54, 67,100,105, 329, 336, 337, 378

"Year of Crisis, Year of Hope: Russian Jewry and the Pogroms of 1881-1882," by Stephen M.Berk, Greenwood Press, 1985

Elizavetgrad pogrom: discussed or mentioned on pp.35, 101, 106, 138. 146


Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Pogroms in Ukraine 1880-1883 #ukraine

anh26@...
 

I try also to know exactly the complete list of pogroms in Ukraine
after the death of Alexander II, especially around Ekaterinoslav. I
can read french, english and russian, not hebrew.
Thanks to you all.
Alain-Noël HENRI
anh26@free.fr


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pogroms in Ukraine 1880-1883 #ukraine

anh26@...
 

I try also to know exactly the complete list of pogroms in Ukraine
after the death of Alexander II, especially around Ekaterinoslav. I
can read french, english and russian, not hebrew.
Thanks to you all.
Alain-Noël HENRI
anh26@free.fr


Liber #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

Evertjan Hannivoort. wrote
Lieber [with e] in German means "[I would] prefer[erently]", "[my]
darling", an inflected adverbial forn of "lieb" [love],so you could be right.

But also possible is that "liber" derives >from "leib"[yidd] lion,
or even >from "lev" [yidd] heart, or even >from "levi",
or >from Latin "liber" free.

I doubt it is >from German "leib" body, or fron "liber" [yidd]
expensive.

How then to account for the more common girls name Liba ?
although I admit it is odd to give a boy a name that sounds like as girl's -
- like Lesley/ Leslie and Vivian and Vivienne.

I assume that Stan was looking at transcribed LDS fiche for civil
records. There you would expect to find the kinnui used BUT there is a
long time gap between birth , marriage and death and no surety that the
same person will be identified the same way each time - also cousins tend
to have very similar names - you have to be very careful : also often
childrens birth are not registered at all.

Aubrey London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Liber #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

Evertjan Hannivoort. wrote
Lieber [with e] in German means "[I would] prefer[erently]", "[my]
darling", an inflected adverbial forn of "lieb" [love],so you could be right.

But also possible is that "liber" derives >from "leib"[yidd] lion,
or even >from "lev" [yidd] heart, or even >from "levi",
or >from Latin "liber" free.

I doubt it is >from German "leib" body, or fron "liber" [yidd]
expensive.

How then to account for the more common girls name Liba ?
although I admit it is odd to give a boy a name that sounds like as girl's -
- like Lesley/ Leslie and Vivian and Vivienne.

I assume that Stan was looking at transcribed LDS fiche for civil
records. There you would expect to find the kinnui used BUT there is a
long time gap between birth , marriage and death and no surety that the
same person will be identified the same way each time - also cousins tend
to have very similar names - you have to be very careful : also often
childrens birth are not registered at all.

Aubrey London


Re LIBER (Given name or nickname) #general

kasakaplan@...
 

MBernet@aol.com
"In general, when you have lieber before a name, it is added there as a
customary courtesy; if it stands by itself with der, die, das, it is used
as a noun and refers to someone just mentioned by name or relationship.
In bdsm records, expect to find the Liber word used only in reference to
an official and specific volume of documents."

Lieba, is part of my grandmother's name, Yetta Lieba Kriegel, although
not spelled exactly as Liber, to me it seems it would be pronounced the same.

My name is Elaine Lois, after Yetta Lieba, and my cousin is Ethel Laura
also named for our grandmother.

I know that you mentioned using lieber before a name. Is there a
difference using it after a name?

Elaine Sanders Kaplan
Coconut Creek, Florida
Searching: Sandner, Kriegel, Maneles, Schwalbendorf, Greifinger in
Drohobych and Sambor, Austria
Agatstein, Teitelbaum, Hernes, Teichholz, Scharf in Sniatyn, Tarnopol, and
Czernovitzi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re LIBER (Given name or nickname) #general

kasakaplan@...
 

MBernet@aol.com
"In general, when you have lieber before a name, it is added there as a
customary courtesy; if it stands by itself with der, die, das, it is used
as a noun and refers to someone just mentioned by name or relationship.
In bdsm records, expect to find the Liber word used only in reference to
an official and specific volume of documents."

Lieba, is part of my grandmother's name, Yetta Lieba Kriegel, although
not spelled exactly as Liber, to me it seems it would be pronounced the same.

My name is Elaine Lois, after Yetta Lieba, and my cousin is Ethel Laura
also named for our grandmother.

I know that you mentioned using lieber before a name. Is there a
difference using it after a name?

Elaine Sanders Kaplan
Coconut Creek, Florida
Searching: Sandner, Kriegel, Maneles, Schwalbendorf, Greifinger in
Drohobych and Sambor, Austria
Agatstein, Teitelbaum, Hernes, Teichholz, Scharf in Sniatyn, Tarnopol, and
Czernovitzi


Ramati Family #general

seham lewis <sehamlewis@...>
 

Hello, I am trying to contact any one of the following people
below or their relatives to see if we are related. My name was
Ramadan and is now Lewis. I live in the U.S. I'm trying to use as
much discretion as possible and be respectful to the privacy of any Ramati.

The following 4 resided in Jerusalem. The date was July 13, 1944.
It could be found on Palestinian Gazette pg. 634.
1. Yehuda Alexander Ramadan - now Yehuda Alexander RAMATI
2. Yusef Haim Ramadan - now YOSEF HAYIM RAMATI
3. Elhanan Zvi Ramadan - now Elhanan TSEVI RAMATI
4. Toorkia Ramadan - now RIVQA RAMATI

The last 3 resided in Tel Aviv. The date was Jun 8, 1944. Pg. 533 of
Palestine Gazette
5. Ilana Ramadan - now Ilana RAMATI
6. Tamar Ramadan - now Tamar RAMATI
7. Zion Shlomo Ramadan - now - Zion SHELOMO RAMATI

Best Regards,
Seham Lewis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ramati Family #general

seham lewis <sehamlewis@...>
 

Hello, I am trying to contact any one of the following people
below or their relatives to see if we are related. My name was
Ramadan and is now Lewis. I live in the U.S. I'm trying to use as
much discretion as possible and be respectful to the privacy of any Ramati.

The following 4 resided in Jerusalem. The date was July 13, 1944.
It could be found on Palestinian Gazette pg. 634.
1. Yehuda Alexander Ramadan - now Yehuda Alexander RAMATI
2. Yusef Haim Ramadan - now YOSEF HAYIM RAMATI
3. Elhanan Zvi Ramadan - now Elhanan TSEVI RAMATI
4. Toorkia Ramadan - now RIVQA RAMATI

The last 3 resided in Tel Aviv. The date was Jun 8, 1944. Pg. 533 of
Palestine Gazette
5. Ilana Ramadan - now Ilana RAMATI
6. Tamar Ramadan - now Tamar RAMATI
7. Zion Shlomo Ramadan - now - Zion SHELOMO RAMATI

Best Regards,
Seham Lewis