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Need guide for Timisoara, Romania #romania

mel@...
 

My wife and I plan to visit Timisoara, Romania next May. Does anyone have a
recommendation for a local guide and hotel?

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH >from Moldova as well as Podolia and
Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ, LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI,
SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; GOLDBERG, MENDELSON,
MISHURSKI >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania

Moderator's note: Private responses please. Any offers >from researchers should be
checked with the rom-sig coordinators. Their contact info can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/Contacts.html
Romania SIG #Romania Need guide for Timisoara, Romania #romania

mel@...
 

My wife and I plan to visit Timisoara, Romania next May. Does anyone have a
recommendation for a local guide and hotel?

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH >from Moldova as well as Podolia and
Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine; ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ, LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI,
SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki guberniya, Poland; GOLDBERG, MENDELSON,
MISHURSKI >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania

Moderator's note: Private responses please. Any offers >from researchers should be
checked with the rom-sig coordinators. Their contact info can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/romsig/Contacts.html
Northeastern Slovakia Jewish Records Pilot Disappeared? #hungary

benne034@...
 

These records of Northeastern Slovakia towns (Stropkov etc), available through the
URL below...through the pilot program...where the registerrs could be viewed and
searched, no longer show up on the list of available records >from Europe that can
be viewed. I last looked at them in late September and early October. Incredible
way to search the records.

Does anyone know what has happened? Have they moved or removed them? Or am I
accidentally doing something wrong?


http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp


Judith Deutsch Bennett
ROSENBLUM, GROSSMAN Mikova, Stropkov, Kurima
Hungary SIG #Hungary Northeastern Slovakia Jewish Records Pilot Disappeared? #hungary

benne034@...
 

These records of Northeastern Slovakia towns (Stropkov etc), available through the
URL below...through the pilot program...where the registerrs could be viewed and
searched, no longer show up on the list of available records >from Europe that can
be viewed. I last looked at them in late September and early October. Incredible
way to search the records.

Does anyone know what has happened? Have they moved or removed them? Or am I
accidentally doing something wrong?


http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp


Judith Deutsch Bennett
ROSENBLUM, GROSSMAN Mikova, Stropkov, Kurima
Re: corpse burners or distillers? #hungary

tom.vene@...
 

Erich,

USTOR is definitively "corpse-burner", and CREMO is "to burn" or =
"consummate
by fire." Source: Cassell=B4s Latin-English dictionary.

What is worth investigating is since when the Jewish custom of not =
cremating
the bodies of deceased is in effect.=20

I can also imagine that when plagues hit Europe the only way of =
disposing
corpses was cremation, and in these cases, even if a religious rule was =
in
effect, the local Jewish community could do nothing to avoid such corpse
disposal done for obvious sanitary reasons. Maybe then somebody >from the
Jewish community did that job (or participated in it), trying to =
preserve
other Jewish rituals, such as saying kaddish.=20

Another scenario would be that of local Jew being hired to perform such =
a
dreadful activity on non-Jews, given that the non-Jews - for =
superstition or
not - would avoid doing it.

The last possibility that comes in mind is that Jews performed special
burial rituals - still done today - and that a censor, unfamiliar with =
these
practices, simply assumed that what the Jews did was some kind of secret
cremation. So if a Jew >from the local Chevra Kadisha was being =
interviewed
and was trying to explain what he did, the censor understood that he was
cremating people.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
Subject: corpse burners or distillers?
From: bloch@wi.rr.com
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:45:09 -0600

In translating the 1771-1774 Hungarian Jewish Censuses, one occupation =
is
listed in Latin as "Cremati Ustores." The only thing close to this that =
I
find in translation websites is "corpse burner." =20

Can anyone cite a reliable source that has linked the terms Cremati =
Ustores,
or similar words, to the occupation of distilling alcohol?

Thanks,
Eric M. Bloch
Mano vs Samuel #hungary

Mark Strauss
 

My Great-Great Grandfather Moritz (Mose) BERKOWITZ (Berkovics) was born=20
in the 1850's in the Zemplen Province in Hungary (now Slovakia). (He=20
later immigrated to Wilkes Barre, PA.) I've found information that=20
suggests that he may originally >from Vranov nad Toplou (Varanno); and I=20
found census information >from the 1869 census that shows a Moricz=20
Berkovics born in Varanno around 1853.

The census information for Moricz's birth in Varanno, shows his=20
father's given name as "Mano" and his mother as Roza. The issue is that=20
Moricz's death certificate and headstone say that his father's name was=20
Samuel (Shmeul). (I've also found the gravestones for Samuel and his=20
wife Rose (Rachel) in the same cemetery as my great-grandfather in=20
Scranton.) Since Roza seems to be a match for Rose, I wonder if Mano be=20
a Hungarian nickmane for Samuel? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Mark STRAUSS (New York City)

Searching:
STRAUSS >from Zatin, Slovakia and Scranton PA;
BERKOWITZ >from Slovakia and Wikes-Barre PA;
BRODY/BRODIE/BROADA/BROIDO >from Zezmer, Lithuania and Atlanta and=20
Youngstown
MARKEL/MERKEL >from Keidan, Lithuania and Boston and Mount Vernon
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: corpse burners or distillers? #hungary

tom.vene@...
 

Erich,

USTOR is definitively "corpse-burner", and CREMO is "to burn" or =
"consummate
by fire." Source: Cassell=B4s Latin-English dictionary.

What is worth investigating is since when the Jewish custom of not =
cremating
the bodies of deceased is in effect.=20

I can also imagine that when plagues hit Europe the only way of =
disposing
corpses was cremation, and in these cases, even if a religious rule was =
in
effect, the local Jewish community could do nothing to avoid such corpse
disposal done for obvious sanitary reasons. Maybe then somebody >from the
Jewish community did that job (or participated in it), trying to =
preserve
other Jewish rituals, such as saying kaddish.=20

Another scenario would be that of local Jew being hired to perform such =
a
dreadful activity on non-Jews, given that the non-Jews - for =
superstition or
not - would avoid doing it.

The last possibility that comes in mind is that Jews performed special
burial rituals - still done today - and that a censor, unfamiliar with =
these
practices, simply assumed that what the Jews did was some kind of secret
cremation. So if a Jew >from the local Chevra Kadisha was being =
interviewed
and was trying to explain what he did, the censor understood that he was
cremating people.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
Subject: corpse burners or distillers?
From: bloch@wi.rr.com
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:45:09 -0600

In translating the 1771-1774 Hungarian Jewish Censuses, one occupation =
is
listed in Latin as "Cremati Ustores." The only thing close to this that =
I
find in translation websites is "corpse burner." =20

Can anyone cite a reliable source that has linked the terms Cremati =
Ustores,
or similar words, to the occupation of distilling alcohol?

Thanks,
Eric M. Bloch
Hungary SIG #Hungary Mano vs Samuel #hungary

Mark Strauss
 

My Great-Great Grandfather Moritz (Mose) BERKOWITZ (Berkovics) was born=20
in the 1850's in the Zemplen Province in Hungary (now Slovakia). (He=20
later immigrated to Wilkes Barre, PA.) I've found information that=20
suggests that he may originally >from Vranov nad Toplou (Varanno); and I=20
found census information >from the 1869 census that shows a Moricz=20
Berkovics born in Varanno around 1853.

The census information for Moricz's birth in Varanno, shows his=20
father's given name as "Mano" and his mother as Roza. The issue is that=20
Moricz's death certificate and headstone say that his father's name was=20
Samuel (Shmeul). (I've also found the gravestones for Samuel and his=20
wife Rose (Rachel) in the same cemetery as my great-grandfather in=20
Scranton.) Since Roza seems to be a match for Rose, I wonder if Mano be=20
a Hungarian nickmane for Samuel? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Mark STRAUSS (New York City)

Searching:
STRAUSS >from Zatin, Slovakia and Scranton PA;
BERKOWITZ >from Slovakia and Wikes-Barre PA;
BRODY/BRODIE/BROADA/BROIDO >from Zezmer, Lithuania and Atlanta and=20
Youngstown
MARKEL/MERKEL >from Keidan, Lithuania and Boston and Mount Vernon
TAUBE/EYBESCHUETZ/HIRSCH-Galicia, Honduras, Canton, NY + researcher request #galicia

roe kard
 

We are seeking information on Gusta TAUBE EYBESCHUETZ (unsure of
spelling) and her husband Dr. ???? EYBESCHUETZ. We believe that
Dr. EYBESCHUETZ was physician to the President of Honduras in
the 1940s, and possibly in the 1930s and 50s as well.

We know that Gusta TAUBE EYBESCHUETZ was born in Belz, Ukraine
and that she and her husband, Dr. EYBESCHUETZ, were able to
bring (her) daughter Halka AKA Elena to Honduras >from Eastern
Europe before or during WWII. In 1950 Halka/Elena left Honduras
with her husband, Dr. Erich HIRSCH, and came to USA by boat. She
gave birth to their daughter Georgia Vivian Rose HIRSCH on the
boat to USA.

Ultimately, we are trying to find Georgia HIRSCH (and her mother
if she is still alive), because her 95-year old aunt and 70+-year
old cousin in Australia would very much like to be reunited with
her in this lifetime. Georgia grew up in Canton, NY and might
have gone to live with her grandmother at some point in the
1970s. She might have stayed in Honduras, but this is only a
hypothesis we are making because of her life situation at that
time and because we are finding it hard to find any trace of her
in the USA. She would be in her late 50s at this time.

I can provide you with more information (especially about Dr.
HIRSCH - >from Ancestry) if any of this sounds familiar.

If you recognize this Dr. EYBESCHUETZ, have any information on
him, know his first name, or about his wife Gusta, her daughter
Elena, Elena's husband Dr. Erich HIRSCH or about Georgia --
anything at all!!! -- we would be very, very grateful.

We are also looking for suggestions of a researcher or someone
who could help us on the ground in Honduras or Canton, NY.

Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration.

Karen ROSENFELD ROEKARD
roekard@santacruzhag.com
Andrew TAUBE HEGEDUS
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia TAUBE/EYBESCHUETZ/HIRSCH-Galicia, Honduras, Canton, NY + researcher request #galicia

roe kard
 

We are seeking information on Gusta TAUBE EYBESCHUETZ (unsure of
spelling) and her husband Dr. ???? EYBESCHUETZ. We believe that
Dr. EYBESCHUETZ was physician to the President of Honduras in
the 1940s, and possibly in the 1930s and 50s as well.

We know that Gusta TAUBE EYBESCHUETZ was born in Belz, Ukraine
and that she and her husband, Dr. EYBESCHUETZ, were able to
bring (her) daughter Halka AKA Elena to Honduras >from Eastern
Europe before or during WWII. In 1950 Halka/Elena left Honduras
with her husband, Dr. Erich HIRSCH, and came to USA by boat. She
gave birth to their daughter Georgia Vivian Rose HIRSCH on the
boat to USA.

Ultimately, we are trying to find Georgia HIRSCH (and her mother
if she is still alive), because her 95-year old aunt and 70+-year
old cousin in Australia would very much like to be reunited with
her in this lifetime. Georgia grew up in Canton, NY and might
have gone to live with her grandmother at some point in the
1970s. She might have stayed in Honduras, but this is only a
hypothesis we are making because of her life situation at that
time and because we are finding it hard to find any trace of her
in the USA. She would be in her late 50s at this time.

I can provide you with more information (especially about Dr.
HIRSCH - >from Ancestry) if any of this sounds familiar.

If you recognize this Dr. EYBESCHUETZ, have any information on
him, know his first name, or about his wife Gusta, her daughter
Elena, Elena's husband Dr. Erich HIRSCH or about Georgia --
anything at all!!! -- we would be very, very grateful.

We are also looking for suggestions of a researcher or someone
who could help us on the ground in Honduras or Canton, NY.

Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration.

Karen ROSENFELD ROEKARD
roekard@santacruzhag.com
Andrew TAUBE HEGEDUS
IAJGS website November 2009 update #galicia

Daniel Horowitz <webmaster@...>
 

Dear friends,

We have published on our website the November 2009 issue of ECHO
(http://iajgs.org/echo/echo.htm), where Peter Lande, >from the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum, wrote an article to assist
genealogists with their Holocaust research. He explains some of
the overlooked resources at the USHMM, Yad Vashem and ITS and how
they can be accessed and he would be happy to grant you
permission to print his article in your newsletters or journals.

Under "Resources" (http://iajgs.org/resources.html) you will find
the latest revision of the IAJGS Create a Local JGS Manual and
more NEW Organizational Material.

The IAJGS Jewish Genealogy Calendar
(http://iajgs.org/members/calendar.html) now has also general
genealogical events in the same calendar, and is getting bigger
and better with events >from all over the world.

A resume of the Philly Conference with images courtesy of Eugene
Hurwitz has being published.
(http://iajgs.org/2009-Philadelphia.html) Also Chicago conference
was updated (http://iajgs.org/2008-chicago.htm)

During the IAJGS 2009 International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy in Philadelphia, IAJGS presented two very successful
sessions on: membership/membership retention and programming.
These sessions were developed to help JGS leaders with management
of their society. The power points used in each session are now
available on the IAJGS website in the "Resources" section
(http://iajgs.org/resources.html) and we encourage you to
download and use them in your society.

Finally IAJGS would like to give a warm welcome to the newest
board member Nolan Altman, appointed to fill the
director-at-large position vacated by Paul Silverstone when he
was elected IAJGS treasurer. Nolan currently holds the position
of JewishGen's Vice President for Data Acquisition where he
focuses on growing the JOWBR and Holocaust databases. He is the
treasurer of and a board member of JGS Long Island where he
coordinates their Yearbook Project. He is also a member of the
JGS of New York. Nolan has spoken at a number of IAJGS
conferences and is a well-published in many genealogy journals.

Please announce and share all this new releases at your upcoming
meeting and your newsletters or journals.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
IAJGS Board Member / Webmaster
http://www.iajgs.org
daniel@iajgs.org
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia IAJGS website November 2009 update #galicia

Daniel Horowitz <webmaster@...>
 

Dear friends,

We have published on our website the November 2009 issue of ECHO
(http://iajgs.org/echo/echo.htm), where Peter Lande, >from the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum, wrote an article to assist
genealogists with their Holocaust research. He explains some of
the overlooked resources at the USHMM, Yad Vashem and ITS and how
they can be accessed and he would be happy to grant you
permission to print his article in your newsletters or journals.

Under "Resources" (http://iajgs.org/resources.html) you will find
the latest revision of the IAJGS Create a Local JGS Manual and
more NEW Organizational Material.

The IAJGS Jewish Genealogy Calendar
(http://iajgs.org/members/calendar.html) now has also general
genealogical events in the same calendar, and is getting bigger
and better with events >from all over the world.

A resume of the Philly Conference with images courtesy of Eugene
Hurwitz has being published.
(http://iajgs.org/2009-Philadelphia.html) Also Chicago conference
was updated (http://iajgs.org/2008-chicago.htm)

During the IAJGS 2009 International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy in Philadelphia, IAJGS presented two very successful
sessions on: membership/membership retention and programming.
These sessions were developed to help JGS leaders with management
of their society. The power points used in each session are now
available on the IAJGS website in the "Resources" section
(http://iajgs.org/resources.html) and we encourage you to
download and use them in your society.

Finally IAJGS would like to give a warm welcome to the newest
board member Nolan Altman, appointed to fill the
director-at-large position vacated by Paul Silverstone when he
was elected IAJGS treasurer. Nolan currently holds the position
of JewishGen's Vice President for Data Acquisition where he
focuses on growing the JOWBR and Holocaust databases. He is the
treasurer of and a board member of JGS Long Island where he
coordinates their Yearbook Project. He is also a member of the
JGS of New York. Nolan has spoken at a number of IAJGS
conferences and is a well-published in many genealogy journals.

Please announce and share all this new releases at your upcoming
meeting and your newsletters or journals.

Best regards

Daniel Horowitz
IAJGS Board Member / Webmaster
http://www.iajgs.org
daniel@iajgs.org
Re: Access to LDS records #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Dear All
In response to Anne's posting below, I went to the local "Family Research
Centre" located at Hyde Park in Sydney - even though I was not ready at this
stage to search for LDS films. However, through the JRI-Poland Film and
Name listings I was able to specify my order needs.

I was informed by the recepionist that at some stage it would be possible to
order records on-line. She referred me to the Family Research site located
at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp As I
already knew the Film Number I did not bother with looking up Names and duly
ordered four films for which I paid $A5 each and was informed that they
would be available in about four weeks time.

When I returned home I thought for interest sake that I would actually look
up names on the site - but what I found were a lesser group of names than
those listed on JRI-Poland under LDS records. While I searched for "Hering"
"Poland" I only obtained results for those "Herings" who had emigrated to
the States. Has anyone else found this phenomenon?

And on searching a particular Film "716165" already listed on JRI-Poland the
"Family Research Centre" site identified this film as forming part of the
"Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for Pinczów (Pinczów),
Kielce, Poland." However, in addition to this information it states that
"For years 1810-1825 see Catholic records." Does any one know how I can
access Catholic records?

Many thanks in advance

Dave Lichtenstein
Sydney, Australia

Does anyone have easy access to an LDS library that houses Polish Jewish
records >from 1865? I have the film numbers and would be most grateful if
someone could find the documents for me.
Anne Budlender
Melbourne, Australia
annelaine@optusnet.com.au
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Access to LDS records #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Dear All
In response to Anne's posting below, I went to the local "Family Research
Centre" located at Hyde Park in Sydney - even though I was not ready at this
stage to search for LDS films. However, through the JRI-Poland Film and
Name listings I was able to specify my order needs.

I was informed by the recepionist that at some stage it would be possible to
order records on-line. She referred me to the Family Research site located
at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp As I
already knew the Film Number I did not bother with looking up Names and duly
ordered four films for which I paid $A5 each and was informed that they
would be available in about four weeks time.

When I returned home I thought for interest sake that I would actually look
up names on the site - but what I found were a lesser group of names than
those listed on JRI-Poland under LDS records. While I searched for "Hering"
"Poland" I only obtained results for those "Herings" who had emigrated to
the States. Has anyone else found this phenomenon?

And on searching a particular Film "716165" already listed on JRI-Poland the
"Family Research Centre" site identified this film as forming part of the
"Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for Pinczów (Pinczów),
Kielce, Poland." However, in addition to this information it states that
"For years 1810-1825 see Catholic records." Does any one know how I can
access Catholic records?

Many thanks in advance

Dave Lichtenstein
Sydney, Australia

Does anyone have easy access to an LDS library that houses Polish Jewish
records >from 1865? I have the film numbers and would be most grateful if
someone could find the documents for me.
Anne Budlender
Melbourne, Australia
annelaine@optusnet.com.au
Re: Access to LDS Records #general

Vivian Kahn <viviankahn@...>
 

FHL branches may have films on site if they have been donated or if
users paid an additional fee for an indefinite loan. The Oakland,
California, FHL has a substantial collection that includes US Census
records as well as Jewish records that I and others have ordered as
indefinite loans.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Nov 22, 2009, Nicole Heymans <Nicole.Heymans@skynet.be> wrote

I understand no LDS library outside Salt Lake City holds any films -
they have to be ordered and yes, it takes up to 4 months for them to
arrive.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Access to LDS Records #general

Vivian Kahn <viviankahn@...>
 

FHL branches may have films on site if they have been donated or if
users paid an additional fee for an indefinite loan. The Oakland,
California, FHL has a substantial collection that includes US Census
records as well as Jewish records that I and others have ordered as
indefinite loans.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

On Nov 22, 2009, Nicole Heymans <Nicole.Heymans@skynet.be> wrote

I understand no LDS library outside Salt Lake City holds any films -
they have to be ordered and yes, it takes up to 4 months for them to
arrive.
Need guide for Timisoara, Romania #general

mel@...
 

My wife and I plan to stay 2 nights in Timisoara, Romania next May. Does
anyone have a recommendation for a local guide and hotel?

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH >from Volhynia, Podolia and
Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine;
ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ, LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki
guberniya, Poland;
GOLDBERG, MENDELSON, MISHURSKI >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need guide for Timisoara, Romania #general

mel@...
 

My wife and I plan to stay 2 nights in Timisoara, Romania next May. Does
anyone have a recommendation for a local guide and hotel?

Mel Werbach
Los Angeles

Researching:
HORENSTEIN, KOMISAR, KANFER, KORENBLIT, VERBUKH >from Volhynia, Podolia and
Kiev guberniyas, Ukraine;
ABRAMSKI, AUZENBERG, BRODOWICZ, LEWINOWSKI, RUBINSKI, SEJNENSKI >from Suwalki
guberniya, Poland;
GOLDBERG, MENDELSON, MISHURSKI >from Kovne guberniya, Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.
Thank you Flossenburg contact #general

Debby Gincig Painter
 

Thank you for those who wrote with the email contact address. So far it has
not bounced back so I await their answer to my search.
Debby Painter
Michigan, USA
Re: corpse burners or distillers? #hungary

Jan Bousse <janbousse@...>
 

I have a good Latin-French dictionary. It says: USTOR : celui qui fait brûler
les corps. Corps means bodies, it does not say "cadavres", which would be of
animals. Cremati is the plural of crematus, meaning burned. So indeed "burned
burners of corpses or bodies" a bit superfluous. But, in these Hungarian records
the Latin used is not necessarily conform to the classical Latin terms.
We know of so-called kitchen-Latin, this may be more town hall-Latin.

Therefore the interpretation as burners of bones may well be correct.

Jan Bousse, Oostende, Belgium

<celiamale@yahoo.com> wrote

I do not know who suggested this had anything to do with distilling, but I
think it probably refers to producing bone ash >from animal bones...
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