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Documents from Grodno #belarus

yzussman@...
 

I am looking for information and documents on the family of my maternal
grandfather's, Szalom Dyszkin. It seems that I will be able to obtain
some documents >from the 1920s and 1930s >from the GRODNO OBLAST STATE
ARCHIVES, but the NATIONAL HISTORICAL ARCHIVES OF BELARUS IN GRODNO
claims to hold Jewish Marriage, birth and death certificates only for
the years 1838 and 1840-2. According to The Routes to Roots Foundation
however the archives house the birth records >from Grodno for the years
1838-1874 in Fond 146.

Could someone clarify the contradiction? Is there hope of finding such
documents elsewhere?

I would also appreciate any other help in obtaining more information on
my grandfather's ancestors.

My grandfather Szalom Dyszkin was born between 1890 to 1895 in Grodno.
He had two brothers William (I do not know his original name) and Shmuel
Diskin who immigrated to the USA, and two sisters, only the name of one
of them is known, Sonya.

His father Chaim-Mejer Dyszkin was born in 1863 and died in 1940 in
Grodno. He was like my grandfather a carpenter. He had a sister Emma Bof
who immigrated to New York and was still alive in 1951 at the age of 76.

His mother was Chaja-Rywka Dyszkin and I have no more information on
her. She might have perished with her two daughters in the Holocaust.

Thank You,
Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin,
Yahud, Israel
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Huda SCHOR WOHL, Chicago, IL #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

I have hit a brick wall looking for a death certificate or other information about
a Huda SCHOR WOHL. She probably died in the Chicago, IL area in the 1940's -
1950's. Her husband was Icehiel WOHL who died on June 18, 1916. Their children
were Mary (Margala), Peter, Oscar, and Abe. In her son Peter's death record,
Huda's name is listed as Heidda Schor and Icehiel's name is Jacheil Wohl.
Sometimes Huda's maiden name is listed as KATZ.

Huda was born in Podkamen, near Brody around 1858, and lived in Chicago >from the
early twentieth century.

I've googled her, looked on Ancestry, Fold3, Geni, MyHeritage, archives.com and
several other websites. Any help would be much appreciated.

Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ

Belarus SIG #Belarus Documents from Grodno #belarus

yzussman@...
 

I am looking for information and documents on the family of my maternal
grandfather's, Szalom Dyszkin. It seems that I will be able to obtain
some documents >from the 1920s and 1930s >from the GRODNO OBLAST STATE
ARCHIVES, but the NATIONAL HISTORICAL ARCHIVES OF BELARUS IN GRODNO
claims to hold Jewish Marriage, birth and death certificates only for
the years 1838 and 1840-2. According to The Routes to Roots Foundation
however the archives house the birth records >from Grodno for the years
1838-1874 in Fond 146.

Could someone clarify the contradiction? Is there hope of finding such
documents elsewhere?

I would also appreciate any other help in obtaining more information on
my grandfather's ancestors.

My grandfather Szalom Dyszkin was born between 1890 to 1895 in Grodno.
He had two brothers William (I do not know his original name) and Shmuel
Diskin who immigrated to the USA, and two sisters, only the name of one
of them is known, Sonya.

His father Chaim-Mejer Dyszkin was born in 1863 and died in 1940 in
Grodno. He was like my grandfather a carpenter. He had a sister Emma Bof
who immigrated to New York and was still alive in 1951 at the age of 76.

His mother was Chaja-Rywka Dyszkin and I have no more information on
her. She might have perished with her two daughters in the Holocaust.

Thank You,
Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin,
Yahud, Israel
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Huda SCHOR WOHL, Chicago, IL #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

I have hit a brick wall looking for a death certificate or other information about
a Huda SCHOR WOHL. She probably died in the Chicago, IL area in the 1940's -
1950's. Her husband was Icehiel WOHL who died on June 18, 1916. Their children
were Mary (Margala), Peter, Oscar, and Abe. In her son Peter's death record,
Huda's name is listed as Heidda Schor and Icehiel's name is Jacheil Wohl.
Sometimes Huda's maiden name is listed as KATZ.

Huda was born in Podkamen, near Brody around 1858, and lived in Chicago >from the
early twentieth century.

I've googled her, looked on Ancestry, Fold3, Geni, MyHeritage, archives.com and
several other websites. Any help would be much appreciated.

Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ

Undocumented marriages Svihov #austria-czech

danbrockman@...
 

Prague researcher Julius Muller studied my family records in Svihov for me years ago, before computerized
data sources were available. He learned that Daniel BLOCH was the saudek of four children of Sarah WEDELES.
There is no State marriage record of Daniel Bloch and Sarah Wedeles, but Daniel acknowledged his children in
religious terms, at least in some records. Listers more knowledgeable than me can perhaps explain what the
meaning of saudek is and where these types of records can be located today. This family emigrated to St.
Louis Missouri in 1848 where Daniel helped start B'nai El synagogue and where they lived as a married
couple with the mother and children taking the name Block. Daughter Veronica married Schwarzkopf and
then Berwin.

Dan Brockman
Barrington Illinois
Block, Wedeles, Berwin, Marx, Pickard, Schwarzkopf, Fischer

"Illegitimate" Children in Documents #austria-czech

Fritz Neubauer
 

Ronny wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you Daniela Torsh for elaborating on the Familianten laws and the
Unehrlich births. I am, however, still puzzled by the fact that in four
instances where a birth has been marked as Unehrlich, ditto marks (") have been
entered in the Father column, these marks appearing directly beneath entries
registering children born to my Great-Great-Grandfather Salomon Z Aufrichtig
and his wife Julie [Jachet] Lokschan Aufrichtig. These ditto marks appear to
imply that Salomon was the father of the Unehrlich child.
Dear Ronny,

please note that the German term for "illegitimate" (child) is UNEHELICH
(two e's there, no r), not "unehrlich" which means "dishonest" in German ...

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany

Viewmate request for translation from Czech #austria-czech

ngaupakyip@...
 

I've posted to ViewMate a notation added in 1946 to a birth record of
1888 for Ernst JELLINEK of Kyjov. My guess is that this is a change
of legal name, but I don't read Czech. I'd be grateful to have a
rough translation.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3D23175
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.
Michael Gordy, Maryland, USA
Researching many names in Kyjov and Straznice, Moravia.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Undocumented marriages Svihov #austria-czech

danbrockman@...
 

Prague researcher Julius Muller studied my family records in Svihov for me years ago, before computerized
data sources were available. He learned that Daniel BLOCH was the saudek of four children of Sarah WEDELES.
There is no State marriage record of Daniel Bloch and Sarah Wedeles, but Daniel acknowledged his children in
religious terms, at least in some records. Listers more knowledgeable than me can perhaps explain what the
meaning of saudek is and where these types of records can be located today. This family emigrated to St.
Louis Missouri in 1848 where Daniel helped start B'nai El synagogue and where they lived as a married
couple with the mother and children taking the name Block. Daughter Veronica married Schwarzkopf and
then Berwin.

Dan Brockman
Barrington Illinois
Block, Wedeles, Berwin, Marx, Pickard, Schwarzkopf, Fischer

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech "Illegitimate" Children in Documents #austria-czech

Fritz Neubauer
 

Ronny wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you Daniela Torsh for elaborating on the Familianten laws and the
Unehrlich births. I am, however, still puzzled by the fact that in four
instances where a birth has been marked as Unehrlich, ditto marks (") have been
entered in the Father column, these marks appearing directly beneath entries
registering children born to my Great-Great-Grandfather Salomon Z Aufrichtig
and his wife Julie [Jachet] Lokschan Aufrichtig. These ditto marks appear to
imply that Salomon was the father of the Unehrlich child.
Dear Ronny,

please note that the German term for "illegitimate" (child) is UNEHELICH
(two e's there, no r), not "unehrlich" which means "dishonest" in German ...

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Viewmate request for translation from Czech #austria-czech

ngaupakyip@...
 

I've posted to ViewMate a notation added in 1946 to a birth record of
1888 for Ernst JELLINEK of Kyjov. My guess is that this is a change
of legal name, but I don't read Czech. I'd be grateful to have a
rough translation.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3D23175
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.
Michael Gordy, Maryland, USA
Researching many names in Kyjov and Straznice, Moravia.

Naturalization documents #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

I wanted to write just one more note to thank all those who replied privately to my
question of the other day about tracking down my maternal great-grandfather's
naturalization papers. It looks to me like the posting >from Allan Jordan pretty
comprehensively covers the subject, in terms of process, obstacles and payoff.

The theme I got >from most of the others who responded privately seemed to be mostly
frustration with the difficulties of dealing with the bureaucracies in getting
these.

In my case, both >from Allen's publicly-shared message and what he sent privately,
I gather that the primary reason I wanted to get this document was based on an
incorrect assumption: that it might specify my great grandfather's place of origin,
which I still haven't been able to identify because every document in which he had
been asked to provide it, he answers only "Russia." Allen said that the
naturalization documents don't have a lot of information, and don't have place of
origin. Given that, and the fact that this line of pursuit is even more difficult
with those who came here before 1906, my guess is that this particular effort is
not worth it. (Fortunately, my paternal grandfather did use his hometown of
Wojnilow on several of his documents).

But thanks to all, particularly Allan, for the primer on this.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization documents #general

Bruce Drake <BDrake@...>
 

I wanted to write just one more note to thank all those who replied privately to my
question of the other day about tracking down my maternal great-grandfather's
naturalization papers. It looks to me like the posting >from Allan Jordan pretty
comprehensively covers the subject, in terms of process, obstacles and payoff.

The theme I got >from most of the others who responded privately seemed to be mostly
frustration with the difficulties of dealing with the bureaucracies in getting
these.

In my case, both >from Allen's publicly-shared message and what he sent privately,
I gather that the primary reason I wanted to get this document was based on an
incorrect assumption: that it might specify my great grandfather's place of origin,
which I still haven't been able to identify because every document in which he had
been asked to provide it, he answers only "Russia." Allen said that the
naturalization documents don't have a lot of information, and don't have place of
origin. Given that, and the fact that this line of pursuit is even more difficult
with those who came here before 1906, my guess is that this particular effort is
not worth it. (Fortunately, my paternal grandfather did use his hometown of
Wojnilow on several of his documents).

But thanks to all, particularly Allan, for the primer on this.

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

Thanks for Atlantic City lookup #general

Paiste, Marsha S. <Marsha.Paiste@...>
 

Genners-

I asked about Harry Confiss and was amazed by the speed with which I got
information. This is a terrific group of helpful, thorough, and creative
researchers. Thank you all so much.

This is what I knew about Harry:

Harry was my grandmother Sarah's half-brother. Sarah's mother Sadie (perhaps
Tseidel) was widowed when she was pregnant with Sarah in Zaslav. She remarried
Samuel, a widower with 2 children. We do not know Samuel's surname. It may have
been Confiss or some corruption of Cornitza. Together Sadie and Samuel had 6 more
children, both in the old country and in Boston. At some point, perhaps with
arrival in America, the name became Bornstein (sometimes recorded as Borenstein).
As young men brothers Barnett (Barney) and Harry chose to be known as Confiss.

Family lore was that Harry married and had a son then moved on to Atlantic City.
He and Barney had a stationary and novelty shop on the Boardwalk. Barney moved on
and Harry remained until he went to NYC in the mid-30s where he took his life in a
hotel room. I confirmed Harry's marriage to Christine Brody and the existence of
Harvey and went on to research other family members who are more closely related to
me.

Recently I saw the 1930 census and was surprised to see Nel as Harry's wife. I
also used the Italian death index for NYC and discovered a mangled form of Harry's
name. Once I had a date, it was easy for me to locate an intriguing article in the
NYTimes about Harry's suicide. He was angry and despondent over the death of Nel
which he attributed to an unnamed man who cause the ruin of him and of Nel. Of
course I wanted to know more.

The information you guys sent opened several doors, especially the name of
Christine's second husband. According to family lore Harvey wanted to be an actor
and used a name like Longey which was somehow connected to his mother. Now I know
how. I easily found an article in the Boston Globe about a play featuring Harvey
in 1942. (And also an article about an ocean liner which mentions honeymooners
Christine and Robert Langee.) I understand Harvey committed suicide in either NY
or Hollywood. Now I can focus on the time period for my search for information.

You have all helped me flesh out my ancestor's and I appreciate you assistance.

Marsha

Marsha Starr Paiste
Medford, MA 02155

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks for Atlantic City lookup #general

Paiste, Marsha S. <Marsha.Paiste@...>
 

Genners-

I asked about Harry Confiss and was amazed by the speed with which I got
information. This is a terrific group of helpful, thorough, and creative
researchers. Thank you all so much.

This is what I knew about Harry:

Harry was my grandmother Sarah's half-brother. Sarah's mother Sadie (perhaps
Tseidel) was widowed when she was pregnant with Sarah in Zaslav. She remarried
Samuel, a widower with 2 children. We do not know Samuel's surname. It may have
been Confiss or some corruption of Cornitza. Together Sadie and Samuel had 6 more
children, both in the old country and in Boston. At some point, perhaps with
arrival in America, the name became Bornstein (sometimes recorded as Borenstein).
As young men brothers Barnett (Barney) and Harry chose to be known as Confiss.

Family lore was that Harry married and had a son then moved on to Atlantic City.
He and Barney had a stationary and novelty shop on the Boardwalk. Barney moved on
and Harry remained until he went to NYC in the mid-30s where he took his life in a
hotel room. I confirmed Harry's marriage to Christine Brody and the existence of
Harvey and went on to research other family members who are more closely related to
me.

Recently I saw the 1930 census and was surprised to see Nel as Harry's wife. I
also used the Italian death index for NYC and discovered a mangled form of Harry's
name. Once I had a date, it was easy for me to locate an intriguing article in the
NYTimes about Harry's suicide. He was angry and despondent over the death of Nel
which he attributed to an unnamed man who cause the ruin of him and of Nel. Of
course I wanted to know more.

The information you guys sent opened several doors, especially the name of
Christine's second husband. According to family lore Harvey wanted to be an actor
and used a name like Longey which was somehow connected to his mother. Now I know
how. I easily found an article in the Boston Globe about a play featuring Harvey
in 1942. (And also an article about an ocean liner which mentions honeymooners
Christine and Robert Langee.) I understand Harvey committed suicide in either NY
or Hollywood. Now I can focus on the time period for my search for information.

You have all helped me flesh out my ancestor's and I appreciate you assistance.

Marsha

Marsha Starr Paiste
Medford, MA 02155

Suggestion when you can't determine original family surname #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Ira--If you can't find anything directly on your grandfather, it is time to start
branching out laterally. Begin searching for your grandfather's relatives who
lived in this country and do the same for them. I have been involved in this hobby
for over 35 years and sometimes forget to take my own advice. I never knew the
name of my great-grandmother because my grandmother, who had come >from the Ukraine
to Baltimore, never spoke about it. No letters, no legal documents, nothing even
on her death certificate. It took me years until one day, with nothing else to do,
I sent away for her brother's death certificate. He was a bachelor who died with
no family in California. Lo and behold, grandmother had traveled to California to
claim his belongings and filled out his death certificate. Of course, she knew the
name of her mother and father, and there it was. Including her mother's maiden
name! I never thought about such a possibility.

Are you certain that your grandfather came into the port of New York? There are so
many other possibilities and not all are indexed and available online.

So begin to do the same for any and all relatives on your grandfather's side. It
is easier than searching haphazardly through a list of "possible" surnames from
Ukraine. And in the meantime, you will discover lots of new information on the
family and have some fun. Or possibly, become more addicted to this hobby.....

Best wishes,
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA


<<Does anyone know of lists of names of Jewish Ukraine residents >from the middle
1800's to the very early (1910) 1900's? My grandfather came >from Kiev, but we
aren't sure if it was specifically in the city or >from surrounding areas. We don't
know much about him and there is no one left to ask questions of. His last name
was Love and we suspect that his real last name was shortened to Americanize it, or
Love was a translation of a Russian or Yiddish name that had connections to the
concept of love.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suggestion when you can't determine original family surname #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Ira--If you can't find anything directly on your grandfather, it is time to start
branching out laterally. Begin searching for your grandfather's relatives who
lived in this country and do the same for them. I have been involved in this hobby
for over 35 years and sometimes forget to take my own advice. I never knew the
name of my great-grandmother because my grandmother, who had come >from the Ukraine
to Baltimore, never spoke about it. No letters, no legal documents, nothing even
on her death certificate. It took me years until one day, with nothing else to do,
I sent away for her brother's death certificate. He was a bachelor who died with
no family in California. Lo and behold, grandmother had traveled to California to
claim his belongings and filled out his death certificate. Of course, she knew the
name of her mother and father, and there it was. Including her mother's maiden
name! I never thought about such a possibility.

Are you certain that your grandfather came into the port of New York? There are so
many other possibilities and not all are indexed and available online.

So begin to do the same for any and all relatives on your grandfather's side. It
is easier than searching haphazardly through a list of "possible" surnames from
Ukraine. And in the meantime, you will discover lots of new information on the
family and have some fun. Or possibly, become more addicted to this hobby.....

Best wishes,
Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA


<<Does anyone know of lists of names of Jewish Ukraine residents >from the middle
1800's to the very early (1910) 1900's? My grandfather came >from Kiev, but we
aren't sure if it was specifically in the city or >from surrounding areas. We don't
know much about him and there is no one left to ask questions of. His last name
was Love and we suspect that his real last name was shortened to Americanize it, or
Love was a translation of a Russian or Yiddish name that had connections to the
concept of love.

Record from Bishkek #general

Lea Haber Gedalia <msleag@...>
 

Dear Genners
Has anyone ordered a birth record >from the city of Bishkek [former Frunze] in
Kirgizstan ? Quite a few Jewish refugees found shelter there during WW2, and I wander
If births were documented on a regular basis. What would be the simplest way to order
such a record as there is no Kirgiz embassy in Israel.
Thank you
Lea Haber Gedalia

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Record from Bishkek #general

Lea Haber Gedalia <msleag@...>
 

Dear Genners
Has anyone ordered a birth record >from the city of Bishkek [former Frunze] in
Kirgizstan ? Quite a few Jewish refugees found shelter there during WW2, and I wander
If births were documented on a regular basis. What would be the simplest way to order
such a record as there is no Kirgiz embassy in Israel.
Thank you
Lea Haber Gedalia

Re: Page of Testimony Submitter Yerakhmiel Levit on May 22 #general

Danielle Weiner
 

If anyone remembers the rather lengthy post I made on May 22 re the Sonia/Sora
Leja Levit Shibovsky conundrum, I just thought I would follow up. First I would
like to thank everyone who responded with their thoughts. This is an incredible
group!

Several people felt the women were one and the same person. I spoke with Sonia's
clear-headed, 86 y/o nephew, Mr. Levit, in Haifa again after I had sent him both
personal and passport documents and photographs of my Shibovsky family. He said he
could see the similarity, but stopped short of agreeing that they were the same
person. You may recall he advised me that his Aunt Sonia had no sisters.

His son then emailed me their family photos of these folks. Similarities all over
the place. I then wrote again to the Vilnius Central Archives and asked if they
were aware that they sent me passport documents for both women's names and asked if
they were sisters or the same person. They responded that Sonia and Sora Leja
are, indeed, the same person.

Despite Mr. Levit's hesitancy to draw a similar conclusion, I feel that 95% of the
evidence points to their being the same person.

So, what's with the 5%? Several weeks ago I found a List of Murdered People >from
Wilno, 1941-44 on Yad Vashem. In it was listed a **Leba/Leyba** Samuilovich
Shibovsky, born in 1922 who had lived on Bassanovicius St. in Wilno. At the time,
I knew Sonia and husband, Zoltan Shibovsky, had had a daughter named **Luba** in
either 1921or 1922. I thought this was very coincidental, but assumed at that
point that Sonia and Sora Leja (husband, Samuil) must be sisters who married
brothers - one couple had a boy and the other had a girl at about the same time.

My question is: How likely is it that someone on the List of Murdered People was
mistakenly labeled a male - remember SamuilOVICH - instead of a female?

I have reconciled Sora Leja taking on the name Sonia and Samuil taking on the name
Zoltan (Mr. Levit said they used to call him 'Soli'). I have studied all the
photos which span about a 20-year period. I have looked at all the other
documentary evidence about everyone involved. I am willing to conclude that we are
talking about the same family here - but that one little piece of evidence is
tripping me up.

Of course, it is possible there was another Samuil Shibovsky living in Wilno who
had a son named Leba who is NOT my cousin. In my experience thus far, however, the
name Shibovsky is not that common, nor have I found the name Samuil in great
numbers >from the archival records I have seen. Shmuel, yes, but not Samuil.
(Maybe this is an irrelevant distinction and someone in the group will set me
straight.)

As an amateur genealogist, I really try hard not to jump at any conclusions when
considering the evidence. You can easily start down the wrong path if you do.

If I haven't worn everyone out yet, I would welcome your thoughts on this -
particularly on the reliability of this Yad Vashem list.

Best Regards to you all,

Danielle Weiner
Dallas, TX
Searching for: VAINEROVICH (Vilna and Butrimonys); GELER (Vilna and
Rudamina); SHIBOVSKY (Vilna and Mosty); CHAIMOVITZ (Vilna); TAUB
(Vilna); CYKINSKI (Vilna)

MODERATOR NOTE: To avoid having messages returned for editing, please do not use
all upper case letters for emphasis or for any first names. Messages should be
completely in proper sentence case with the exception of surnames which should be
all in upper case.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Page of Testimony Submitter Yerakhmiel Levit on May 22 #general

Danielle Weiner
 

If anyone remembers the rather lengthy post I made on May 22 re the Sonia/Sora
Leja Levit Shibovsky conundrum, I just thought I would follow up. First I would
like to thank everyone who responded with their thoughts. This is an incredible
group!

Several people felt the women were one and the same person. I spoke with Sonia's
clear-headed, 86 y/o nephew, Mr. Levit, in Haifa again after I had sent him both
personal and passport documents and photographs of my Shibovsky family. He said he
could see the similarity, but stopped short of agreeing that they were the same
person. You may recall he advised me that his Aunt Sonia had no sisters.

His son then emailed me their family photos of these folks. Similarities all over
the place. I then wrote again to the Vilnius Central Archives and asked if they
were aware that they sent me passport documents for both women's names and asked if
they were sisters or the same person. They responded that Sonia and Sora Leja
are, indeed, the same person.

Despite Mr. Levit's hesitancy to draw a similar conclusion, I feel that 95% of the
evidence points to their being the same person.

So, what's with the 5%? Several weeks ago I found a List of Murdered People >from
Wilno, 1941-44 on Yad Vashem. In it was listed a **Leba/Leyba** Samuilovich
Shibovsky, born in 1922 who had lived on Bassanovicius St. in Wilno. At the time,
I knew Sonia and husband, Zoltan Shibovsky, had had a daughter named **Luba** in
either 1921or 1922. I thought this was very coincidental, but assumed at that
point that Sonia and Sora Leja (husband, Samuil) must be sisters who married
brothers - one couple had a boy and the other had a girl at about the same time.

My question is: How likely is it that someone on the List of Murdered People was
mistakenly labeled a male - remember SamuilOVICH - instead of a female?

I have reconciled Sora Leja taking on the name Sonia and Samuil taking on the name
Zoltan (Mr. Levit said they used to call him 'Soli'). I have studied all the
photos which span about a 20-year period. I have looked at all the other
documentary evidence about everyone involved. I am willing to conclude that we are
talking about the same family here - but that one little piece of evidence is
tripping me up.

Of course, it is possible there was another Samuil Shibovsky living in Wilno who
had a son named Leba who is NOT my cousin. In my experience thus far, however, the
name Shibovsky is not that common, nor have I found the name Samuil in great
numbers >from the archival records I have seen. Shmuel, yes, but not Samuil.
(Maybe this is an irrelevant distinction and someone in the group will set me
straight.)

As an amateur genealogist, I really try hard not to jump at any conclusions when
considering the evidence. You can easily start down the wrong path if you do.

If I haven't worn everyone out yet, I would welcome your thoughts on this -
particularly on the reliability of this Yad Vashem list.

Best Regards to you all,

Danielle Weiner
Dallas, TX
Searching for: VAINEROVICH (Vilna and Butrimonys); GELER (Vilna and
Rudamina); SHIBOVSKY (Vilna and Mosty); CHAIMOVITZ (Vilna); TAUB
(Vilna); CYKINSKI (Vilna)

MODERATOR NOTE: To avoid having messages returned for editing, please do not use
all upper case letters for emphasis or for any first names. Messages should be
completely in proper sentence case with the exception of surnames which should be
all in upper case.