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Re: Zempelburg, West Prussia Records #germany

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

Sue Bloom posted a query about genealogical records of the Jews of
Zempelburg, other than the 1874-1883 civil records already microfilmed by
the Mormons--which are now fully indexed, translated and available in
JRI-Poland.

Zempelburg, part of the historic Polish Kingdom until 1774, then Prussian
until 1918, and since then part of the Polish Republic is now known as
Sepolno Krajenskie.

There's no doubt that separate B-M-D record books were kept for the once
important and vibrant Jewish community for the period between 1825-1874, by
law, the same as for all the communities in Westpreussen [West Prussia].

But these "metrical" records are lost, probably destroyed during the
Holocaust. For some 28 years I've tried every which way to locate them,
including visits to relevant archives in Poland and Germany.

However there are several alternative methods to research our families from
Zempelburg for the period before uniform civil registration of all religious
denominations began in Prussia in September 1874.

The Prussian authorities conducted several censuses of the Jews of
Westpreussen, including Zempelburg--the largest community other than
Danzig--in 1791, 1807,1808, 1809, and 1810. Most were comprehensive,
listing all members of the household, including ages and occupations.

I obtained photocopies of all of them, and databased the 1808-1810 censuses,
and I included data >from the 1791 and 1807 records too.

One problem was that only in 1812 were the Jews of Westpreussen required to
select permanent family names. Thus about 90% of the family listings in all
these censuses show only patronymic names. However I was able to match
almost all of the new 1812 surnames to the 1810 patronymic listings, using
various techniques.

The result is a database showing some 1200 Zempelburg Jews who lived during
a twenty-two year period >from 1791-1812. Many who were born around the
first decade of the 19th century later became the parents and grandparents
of Jews who married or died in the 1874-1883 records available in
JRI-Poland.

But since we are missing all the BMD records for a 64-year period from
1810-1874, we can only work backwards >from the 1874-1883 record group. A
marriage record from, say, 1875 will show bride and grooms' ages, showing
their births in the 1840-1855 period, and better yet, it will list their
parents' names, and those parents were born in the 1800-1830 period. So
it's possible, by dint of hard work, to bridge the long gap between the 1810
census and the 1874+ BMD records.

Zempelburg researchers may write to me and I'll try to help. My database is
not yet ready for inclusion in JRI Poland's search mechanism.

Jim Bennett
Haifa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zempelburg, West Prussia Records #general

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

Sue Bloom posted a query about genealogical records of the Jews of
Zempelburg, other than the 1874-1883 civil records already microfilmed by
the Mormons--which are now fully indexed, translated and available in
JRI-Poland.

Zempelburg, part of the historic Polish Kingdom until 1774, then Prussian
until 1918, and since then part of the Polish Republic is now known as
Sepolno Krajenskie.

There's no doubt that separate B-M-D record books were kept for the once
important and vibrant Jewish community for the period between 1825-1874, by
law, the same as for all the communities in Westpreussen [West Prussia].

But these "metrical" records are lost, probably destroyed during the
Holocaust. For some 28 years I've tried every which way to locate them,
including visits to relevant archives in Poland and Germany.

However there are several alternative methods to research our families from
Zempelburg for the period before uniform civil registration of all religious
denominations began in Prussia in September 1874.

The Prussian authorities conducted several censuses of the Jews of
Westpreussen, including Zempelburg--the largest community other than
Danzig--in 1791, 1807,1808, 1809, and 1810. Most were comprehensive,
listing all members of the household, including ages and occupations.

I obtained photocopies of all of them, and databased the 1808-1810 censuses,
and I included data >from the 1791 and 1807 records too.

One problem was that only in 1812 were the Jews of Westpreussen required to
select permanent family names. Thus about 90% of the family listings in all
these censuses show only patronymic names. However I was able to match
almost all of the new 1812 surnames to the 1810 patronymic listings, using
various techniques.

The result is a database showing some 1200 Zempelburg Jews who lived during
a twenty-two year period >from 1791-1812. Many who were born around the
first decade of the 19th century later became the parents and grandparents
of Jews who married or died in the 1874-1883 records available in
JRI-Poland.

But since we are missing all the BMD records for a 64-year period from
1810-1874, we can only work backwards >from the 1874-1883 record group. A
marriage record from, say, 1875 will show bride and grooms' ages, showing
their births in the 1840-1855 period, and better yet, it will list their
parents' names, and those parents were born in the 1800-1830 period. So
it's possible, by dint of hard work, to bridge the long gap between the 1810
census and the 1874+ BMD records.

Zempelburg researchers may write to me and I'll try to help. My database is
not yet ready for inclusion in JRI Poland's search mechanism.

Jim Bennett
Haifa


Etsi, Sephardi Genealogical and Historical Review, Issue 46. #general

Philip Abensur <laurphil@...>
 

We are happy to inform of the publication of issue 46 of Etsi, including two
main articles.
The first article, by Anne-Marie Serfaty, is dedicated to the "Yahas Fez", a
remarquable manuscript written by Rabbi Avner-Israel Hasserfaty, great-grand
father of the author, devoted to the history of the Jews of Fez (Morocco),
including numerous rabbinical genealogies.
The second article, by Laurence Abensur-Hazan, is devoted to the Franchetti
family, who lived in Italy, Tunisia and the Ottoman Empire. Like the
Camondos in Turkey and in France, the family of the barons Franchetti had a
major role in safeguarding the Italian artistic heritage. Several family
members were art amateurs and acquired during the 19th century Venetian
palaces, such as the Cavalli palace, or the Ca d'Oro.

Etsi will stop its publication after the next issue, with 47 issues
published over 11 years.
We have explored many fields of Sephardi Genealogy as can appear in the
general table of contents available on request. Each previous issue remains
available.
We wish to thank all the subscribers who made the publication of Etsi
possible over these years.
We of course remain present in the field of Sephardi genealogy and will
inform regularly Jewishgenners of any new source or information available.

Laurence Abensur-Hazan & Philip Abensur (Paris, France)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Etsi, Sephardi Genealogical and Historical Review, Issue 46. #general

Philip Abensur <laurphil@...>
 

We are happy to inform of the publication of issue 46 of Etsi, including two
main articles.
The first article, by Anne-Marie Serfaty, is dedicated to the "Yahas Fez", a
remarquable manuscript written by Rabbi Avner-Israel Hasserfaty, great-grand
father of the author, devoted to the history of the Jews of Fez (Morocco),
including numerous rabbinical genealogies.
The second article, by Laurence Abensur-Hazan, is devoted to the Franchetti
family, who lived in Italy, Tunisia and the Ottoman Empire. Like the
Camondos in Turkey and in France, the family of the barons Franchetti had a
major role in safeguarding the Italian artistic heritage. Several family
members were art amateurs and acquired during the 19th century Venetian
palaces, such as the Cavalli palace, or the Ca d'Oro.

Etsi will stop its publication after the next issue, with 47 issues
published over 11 years.
We have explored many fields of Sephardi Genealogy as can appear in the
general table of contents available on request. Each previous issue remains
available.
We wish to thank all the subscribers who made the publication of Etsi
possible over these years.
We of course remain present in the field of Sephardi genealogy and will
inform regularly Jewishgenners of any new source or information available.

Laurence Abensur-Hazan & Philip Abensur (Paris, France)


re Viewmate 14112 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Thank you those who responded with a translation of the gravestone of
David RIPSTEIN.
I was told by a cousin that the name had been changed but his father
never told him what it had been.
On this stone David's father's full name is given as Bezalel Ripstein -
he never came to America , could that
mean the name was changed in Lithuania? He died sometime before 1891.
--
Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re Viewmate 14112 #general

Paul Silverstone
 

Thank you those who responded with a translation of the gravestone of
David RIPSTEIN.
I was told by a cousin that the name had been changed but his father
never told him what it had been.
On this stone David's father's full name is given as Bezalel Ripstein -
he never came to America , could that
mean the name was changed in Lithuania? He died sometime before 1891.
--
Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania so many Abram ben Hirsh LANDSMAN, one branch so close! #lithuania

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've determined that my GGF Abram LANDSMAN's father was named Hirsh and that
Abram lived with his wife Feiga (bat Eliasz FINBERG) in Paberze before
moving to Vilna, >from where most of the LANDSMAN family emigrated to Boston.

Abram died in Vilna in 1915 and my FFM Feiga followed her children to
Massachusetts. The only one who did not follow was my GM's sister Dvora
who married a MIASNIK. Most of the MIASNIK family perished in the Shoah.

I've found that most Vilna area LANDSMAN came originally >from the shtetl
of Bagaslaviskis and that my FINBERG family resided in Gelvonai, which is
adjacent to Bagaslaviskis and where the Jewish cemetery for both towns was
located. A gap in the records for those towns covers the years when
they most likely were married. Also, Abram and Hirsh are exceedingly
common given names in this family.

One lead is particularly interesting as it includes the only Dvora link
I have found among the dozens of LANDSMAN families. A Hirsh LANDSMAN,
son of Movsha, was born in Bagaslaviskis around 1830, married a woman
named Dvoira, and had a son Abram (c.1850) and 4 girls (Tsipa, Chana,
Itka, Leiba). This makes Abram a candidate for my GGF as my GGM Feiga
was born c 1854 only a few miles away. My GM's oldest brother
was Hirsh and her oldest sister was named Dvora, which seems to fit
perfectly if Abram and Feiga named two children after Abram's parents.
Seems like a perfect fit, right?

My GM's siblings were named Hirsh (c1881) and Dvora (c1885).
The fly in the ointment is that there is also a 1907 Family List for
Bagaslaviskis that show Hirsh and Dvoira LANDSMAN both still alive,
which seems to refute the naming argument I was starting to feel pretty
comfortable with.

On the other hand, there were many named Hirsh so perhaps that was for
relative and not for my GGGF after all.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I think this is still the correct (or
closely related) track and if I hadn't run across the 1907 FL, I
probably wouldn't even be asking this question.

Thanks.

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


so many Abram ben Hirsh LANDSMAN, one branch so close! #lithuania

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

I've determined that my GGF Abram LANDSMAN's father was named Hirsh and that
Abram lived with his wife Feiga (bat Eliasz FINBERG) in Paberze before
moving to Vilna, >from where most of the LANDSMAN family emigrated to Boston.

Abram died in Vilna in 1915 and my FFM Feiga followed her children to
Massachusetts. The only one who did not follow was my GM's sister Dvora
who married a MIASNIK. Most of the MIASNIK family perished in the Shoah.

I've found that most Vilna area LANDSMAN came originally >from the shtetl
of Bagaslaviskis and that my FINBERG family resided in Gelvonai, which is
adjacent to Bagaslaviskis and where the Jewish cemetery for both towns was
located. A gap in the records for those towns covers the years when
they most likely were married. Also, Abram and Hirsh are exceedingly
common given names in this family.

One lead is particularly interesting as it includes the only Dvora link
I have found among the dozens of LANDSMAN families. A Hirsh LANDSMAN,
son of Movsha, was born in Bagaslaviskis around 1830, married a woman
named Dvoira, and had a son Abram (c.1850) and 4 girls (Tsipa, Chana,
Itka, Leiba). This makes Abram a candidate for my GGF as my GGM Feiga
was born c 1854 only a few miles away. My GM's oldest brother
was Hirsh and her oldest sister was named Dvora, which seems to fit
perfectly if Abram and Feiga named two children after Abram's parents.
Seems like a perfect fit, right?

My GM's siblings were named Hirsh (c1881) and Dvora (c1885).
The fly in the ointment is that there is also a 1907 Family List for
Bagaslaviskis that show Hirsh and Dvoira LANDSMAN both still alive,
which seems to refute the naming argument I was starting to feel pretty
comfortable with.

On the other hand, there were many named Hirsh so perhaps that was for
relative and not for my GGGF after all.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I think this is still the correct (or
closely related) track and if I hadn't run across the 1907 FL, I
probably wouldn't even be asking this question.

Thanks.

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


JRI Poland #Poland ROZENBLUM Family from Olkusz and Chrzanow #poland

Linda Shefler
 

Solomon Joseph ROSENBLUM was born in Chrzanow in 1865. He was the son of
Jochym Wolf ROZENBLUM who was born in Olkusz in 1844. Solomon immigrated to
the US in 1890 and was a lawyer in NY.

Solomon and his wife were listed as special attendees at the wedding of my
great grandaunt Sadie ROSENBLATT in Providence, RI in 1916. I have reason
to believe that Solomon is related to my ROSENBLATT family for a number of
reasons. A) The family switched back and forth between ROZENBLAT and
ROZENBLUM, B) both Olkusz and Chrzanow figure heavily in my where my family
lived, C) Solomon's grandmother was Golda ZAYDNER and the ZAYDNER family is
also connected to my ROSENBLATT family.

With all that I do know I cannot for the life of me figure out the
connection. Is there anyone who had researched this family that would be
interested to work with me to figure out the possible connection? I have a
tremendous database around these families in the hope of eventually joining
them together. Now I am more anxious then ever to do so. If you have a
family story of being descended >from the Rambam you definitely need to
contact me!

Thanks in advance.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Hod HaSharon
linda.shefler@...

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ROZENBLUM Family from Olkusz and Chrzanow #poland

Linda Shefler
 

Solomon Joseph ROSENBLUM was born in Chrzanow in 1865. He was the son of
Jochym Wolf ROZENBLUM who was born in Olkusz in 1844. Solomon immigrated to
the US in 1890 and was a lawyer in NY.

Solomon and his wife were listed as special attendees at the wedding of my
great grandaunt Sadie ROSENBLATT in Providence, RI in 1916. I have reason
to believe that Solomon is related to my ROSENBLATT family for a number of
reasons. A) The family switched back and forth between ROZENBLAT and
ROZENBLUM, B) both Olkusz and Chrzanow figure heavily in my where my family
lived, C) Solomon's grandmother was Golda ZAYDNER and the ZAYDNER family is
also connected to my ROSENBLATT family.

With all that I do know I cannot for the life of me figure out the
connection. Is there anyone who had researched this family that would be
interested to work with me to figure out the possible connection? I have a
tremendous database around these families in the hope of eventually joining
them together. Now I am more anxious then ever to do so. If you have a
family story of being descended >from the Rambam you definitely need to
contact me!

Thanks in advance.

Linda Silverman Shefler
Hod HaSharon
linda.shefler@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Lejzor TOKAR, Prisoner of War #poland

taxtroll@...
 

I wanted to share this with the Poland and Belarus research groups
since it is about my first cousin, twice removed Lejzor TOKAR of
Brest-Litovsk, Poland, now Brest Belarus. Thanks to a lucky hit on the
Polish Jewish Prisoners of War Registration Card datase, I was able to,
one, learn that Lejzor even existed, and, two, piece together some
details about his time in captivity. Lejzor was captured in Sept. 1939
and went through several German POW camps before finally being shipped
back east to the concentraction camps. He likely died before the Brest
Ghetto was established. His wife, daughter, parents, two sisters,
grandfather, and other family members died in the Ghetto.

Lejzor's story is on my blog at
http://sharon-genealogy.blogspot.com/2009/12/lejzor-tokar-prisoner-of-war.html

I welcome any comments, corrections, and additions to the story. You
can post a comment on my blog or e-mail me directly.

Sharon Klein
Johns Creek, GA


Lejzor TOKAR, Prisoner of War #poland

taxtroll@...
 

I wanted to share this with the Poland and Belarus research groups
since it is about my first cousin, twice removed Lejzor TOKAR of
Brest-Litovsk, Poland, now Brest Belarus. Thanks to a lucky hit on the
Polish Jewish Prisoners of War Registration Card datase, I was able to,
one, learn that Lejzor even existed, and, two, piece together some
details about his time in captivity. Lejzor was captured in Sept. 1939
and went through several German POW camps before finally being shipped
back east to the concentraction camps. He likely died before the Brest
Ghetto was established. His wife, daughter, parents, two sisters,
grandfather, and other family members died in the Ghetto.

Lejzor's story is on my blog at
http://sharon-genealogy.blogspot.com/2009/12/lejzor-tokar-prisoner-of-war.html

I welcome any comments, corrections, and additions to the story. You
can post a comment on my blog or e-mail me directly.

Sharon Klein
Johns Creek, GA


Cryptic Shtetls #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

Following my appeal for help is decyphering some handwritten shtetl names
( Blendif ? ; Pesetnar ? Glovegow ) , David Rubins -- davidrubin1@...
to whom I am most grateful , generously produced after research the
following persuasive solution

Lodz 73.8 miles WSW of Warszawa (Warsaw)
Blendov 34.7 miles SSW of Warszawa (Warsaw) 52.8 miles E of Lodz
Piasetchna 11.6 miles S of Warszawa (Warsaw) 70.6 miles ENE of Lodz
Glowaczów 44.7 miles SSE of Warszawa (Warsaw) 79.6 miles E of Lodz

Aubrey Jacobus
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cryptic Shtetls #general

AUBREY JACOBUS <aajacobus@...>
 

Following my appeal for help is decyphering some handwritten shtetl names
( Blendif ? ; Pesetnar ? Glovegow ) , David Rubins -- davidrubin1@...
to whom I am most grateful , generously produced after research the
following persuasive solution

Lodz 73.8 miles WSW of Warszawa (Warsaw)
Blendov 34.7 miles SSW of Warszawa (Warsaw) 52.8 miles E of Lodz
Piasetchna 11.6 miles S of Warszawa (Warsaw) 70.6 miles ENE of Lodz
Glowaczów 44.7 miles SSE of Warszawa (Warsaw) 79.6 miles E of Lodz

Aubrey Jacobus
London


Re: KASATSKY Family from Massachusetts #general

Barbara Zimmer
 

Anat asked whether David KASATSKY was the son of Raphael and Dora.
David was born in 1920 (after the census was taken). I found the
family in the 1930 census with a poorly transcribed surname
Krostshy, and David was listed as their son.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

Recently I discovered an uncle of my grandfather who immigrated to
Boston in 1905.
His name was Raphael KASATSKY son of David >from Kaunas Lithuania. He married
Dora HELER on October 30th 1908.

In the census of 1920 I saw that they had two daughters: Anny, born 1908 and
Jenny, 1914.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: KASATSKY Family from Massachusetts #general

Barbara Zimmer
 

Anat asked whether David KASATSKY was the son of Raphael and Dora.
David was born in 1920 (after the census was taken). I found the
family in the 1930 census with a poorly transcribed surname
Krostshy, and David was listed as their son.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

Recently I discovered an uncle of my grandfather who immigrated to
Boston in 1905.
His name was Raphael KASATSKY son of David >from Kaunas Lithuania. He married
Dora HELER on October 30th 1908.

In the census of 1920 I saw that they had two daughters: Anny, born 1908 and
Jenny, 1914.


Death in Baltimore #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I understand Sara Esther (Estelle) SILVERSTEIN, who was born about 1911
in Brooklyn, NY, died at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore
about 1937 after falling down a flight of stairs. Can someone direct
me to where I might find an obituary or similar source?

--
Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death in Baltimore #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I understand Sara Esther (Estelle) SILVERSTEIN, who was born about 1911
in Brooklyn, NY, died at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore
about 1937 after falling down a flight of stairs. Can someone direct
me to where I might find an obituary or similar source?

--
Paul Silverstone
New York
please reply to paulh@...


Seeking contact data #general

Lou Fine
 

Happy Last night of Hannukka 2009 to my JGENN friends

Since I have many relatives in Toronto, I have visited them and have gone to the
genealogical facilities and searched fruitlessly for the data I am seeking:
i.e. contact data of the issue/relatives of the following folks most of whom
were Toronto Canadians:

1) Irving Edward FINE 1914 1967. His wife: Pearl GARDSTEIN 1934-1969.
2) Moishe Morris FRUMAN (aka FREEMAN) 1884-1934 His wife: Rebecca FRIENDLY
1884-circa 1969
3) Max FREEMAN 1915-? His wife: Sylvia CARMEN 1915-?
4) David Julius FREEDMAN 1918-1968 His wife: Bella Abshez ASHLEY 1910-1972
5) Issac RRUBIN 1888-1984. His wife: Sarah Chastovsky RSDichardson 1989-1952
6) Lawrence Grae FINE 1910-1992
7) Benjamin Benche PODNOS 1863-1935 his wife: Risha (aka Raissa) FINE
8) Schmeul FINE. son of Yanke Fine
9) Arthur PODNOS (aka PARKER) 1895-1962 Wife: Lena ROTHSTEIN 1902-?
10) Etta Podnos RUBIN (aka Rubinovich) 1872-1919
11) Bertie RUBIN (aka Rubinovich) 1907-? his wife: Roselyn BALICK
12) Lou HIRSSCHENHORN?-circa 1985
13) Dordis CHEOVSKY 1912-1955
14) Ira SHACHTER 1829-1851 (Tne non-Canadian) His wife: Risha Shachter circa
1846-1926

Louis A. Fine
loufine2@...
Bellingham Washington


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking contact data #general

Lou Fine
 

Happy Last night of Hannukka 2009 to my JGENN friends

Since I have many relatives in Toronto, I have visited them and have gone to the
genealogical facilities and searched fruitlessly for the data I am seeking:
i.e. contact data of the issue/relatives of the following folks most of whom
were Toronto Canadians:

1) Irving Edward FINE 1914 1967. His wife: Pearl GARDSTEIN 1934-1969.
2) Moishe Morris FRUMAN (aka FREEMAN) 1884-1934 His wife: Rebecca FRIENDLY
1884-circa 1969
3) Max FREEMAN 1915-? His wife: Sylvia CARMEN 1915-?
4) David Julius FREEDMAN 1918-1968 His wife: Bella Abshez ASHLEY 1910-1972
5) Issac RRUBIN 1888-1984. His wife: Sarah Chastovsky RSDichardson 1989-1952
6) Lawrence Grae FINE 1910-1992
7) Benjamin Benche PODNOS 1863-1935 his wife: Risha (aka Raissa) FINE
8) Schmeul FINE. son of Yanke Fine
9) Arthur PODNOS (aka PARKER) 1895-1962 Wife: Lena ROTHSTEIN 1902-?
10) Etta Podnos RUBIN (aka Rubinovich) 1872-1919
11) Bertie RUBIN (aka Rubinovich) 1907-? his wife: Roselyn BALICK
12) Lou HIRSSCHENHORN?-circa 1985
13) Dordis CHEOVSKY 1912-1955
14) Ira SHACHTER 1829-1851 (Tne non-Canadian) His wife: Risha Shachter circa
1846-1926

Louis A. Fine
loufine2@...
Bellingham Washington