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Re: YIVO Encylopedia of Eastern Europe On-Line #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

I'll second that. I entered a couple shtetls and a couple bigger
cities and got nothing. Either the site doesn't work right or there
isn't much there.

Sally Bruckheimer
Piscataway, NJ
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: YIVO Encylopedia of Eastern Europe On-Line #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

I'll second that. I entered a couple shtetls and a couple bigger
cities and got nothing. Either the site doesn't work right or there
isn't much there.

Sally Bruckheimer
Piscataway, NJ
Re: Frustration with a capital F #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Trudy Barch wrote
Last evening I searched, again, for my 'brick walls' in several
different family branches AND again came up empty. I was hoping
there might be new 'avenues' to travel. But I did not seem to have
that type of luck. Maybe in another few years, I'll try again.

I, among many, I presume, started my family research over 40 years ago,
written down on something we called paper, like backs of A4 envelopes.

On that firm and only sometimes incorrect basis my personal tree grows
dayly, and extends deep into the 1400's here and there, sideways where
people have a story, and also into the concentration camps of the sjoah.

Once even a far family member wrote in the 1960s he was not interested, and
without further contact >from my side wrote in the early 1990s that he
changed his mind and was interested after all.

It seems your desillusion, and so frustration, comes >from the whish for
quick results?

Please do not despair.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Frustration with a capital F #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Trudy Barch wrote
Last evening I searched, again, for my 'brick walls' in several
different family branches AND again came up empty. I was hoping
there might be new 'avenues' to travel. But I did not seem to have
that type of luck. Maybe in another few years, I'll try again.

I, among many, I presume, started my family research over 40 years ago,
written down on something we called paper, like backs of A4 envelopes.

On that firm and only sometimes incorrect basis my personal tree grows
dayly, and extends deep into the 1400's here and there, sideways where
people have a story, and also into the concentration camps of the sjoah.

Once even a far family member wrote in the 1960s he was not interested, and
without further contact >from my side wrote in the early 1990s that he
changed his mind and was interested after all.

It seems your desillusion, and so frustration, comes >from the whish for
quick results?

Please do not despair.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
New York Cemetery Suggestion #general

Richard Gilbert
 

Dear All,I would like to thank everyone who has very kindly taken the
time to respond to my posting. There have been so many of you that it
may take me a while to get round to thank you all personally. After I
submitted my enquiry last night I did place an order for Lilly's death
certificate. I'm advised that it may take a month to arrive. I have also
tried the Riverside Memorial Chapel and they had told me they do not have
records going that far back. The replies I have received have also
highlighted the differences between the different Jewish communities around
the world. and how they facilitate the same service. In the UK for example,
the synagogues or their umbrella organisations own the Jewish cemeteries
unless they are owned by the local authority. It is usually the synagogue's
burial society which co-ordinates the preparations for the funeral and
facilitates the funeral itself. Indeed within the United Synagogue which
operates primarily in Greater London,each synagogue will have its own
Chevra Kadisha which will perform T'harah (the ritual preparation of the
body before burial) made up of synagogue members. This means we have a much
more centralised system which seems to make locating a place of burial
slightly easier. However in saying that, we don't have anything quite so
useful on our death certificates that confirm where someone is buried.
Thank you once again.
Richard Gilbert,Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York Cemetery Suggestion #general

Richard Gilbert
 

Dear All,I would like to thank everyone who has very kindly taken the
time to respond to my posting. There have been so many of you that it
may take me a while to get round to thank you all personally. After I
submitted my enquiry last night I did place an order for Lilly's death
certificate. I'm advised that it may take a month to arrive. I have also
tried the Riverside Memorial Chapel and they had told me they do not have
records going that far back. The replies I have received have also
highlighted the differences between the different Jewish communities around
the world. and how they facilitate the same service. In the UK for example,
the synagogues or their umbrella organisations own the Jewish cemeteries
unless they are owned by the local authority. It is usually the synagogue's
burial society which co-ordinates the preparations for the funeral and
facilitates the funeral itself. Indeed within the United Synagogue which
operates primarily in Greater London,each synagogue will have its own
Chevra Kadisha which will perform T'harah (the ritual preparation of the
body before burial) made up of synagogue members. This means we have a much
more centralised system which seems to make locating a place of burial
slightly easier. However in saying that, we don't have anything quite so
useful on our death certificates that confirm where someone is buried.
Thank you once again.
Richard Gilbert,Bushey Heath, Hertfordshire
Kamennyy Brod Cemetery Records in JOWBR #ukraine

marlis-vci@...
 

Included in the pre-IAJGS Conference update to the JOWBR (recently announced
by Nolan Altman) is the:

Kamennyy Brod JOWBR Translations Project.

Thanks to our Ukraine SIG volunteers have who generously donated their time
and efforts:
Russian Translations & Proofing: Marlis Humphrey & Leonid Pereplyotchik
Hebrew Translations & Proofing: David Cherson & Micki Thomas
Final Spreadsheet & Photo Editing: Iris Goldberg Bass

And thanks to Allan Dolgow for making this possible by donating the photos.

To access the Kamennyy Brod Cemetery records:
See the updated Cemetery Inventory at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm Look under
Ukraine and then Volhynia.

You can find all the records by starting at the search page,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/ and doing a town search for
Kamennyy.

If you have photos >from Ukraine cemeteries, we can assist with headstone
translations and entry into the JOWBR database! Email me
marlis@vitreouscom.com or Nolan Altman nta@pipeline.com to get started.

Marlis Humphrey
Ukraine SIG Project Coordinator
marlis@vitreouscom.com
Melbourne Beach, FL
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamennyy Brod Cemetery Records in JOWBR #ukraine

marlis-vci@...
 

Included in the pre-IAJGS Conference update to the JOWBR (recently announced
by Nolan Altman) is the:

Kamennyy Brod JOWBR Translations Project.

Thanks to our Ukraine SIG volunteers have who generously donated their time
and efforts:
Russian Translations & Proofing: Marlis Humphrey & Leonid Pereplyotchik
Hebrew Translations & Proofing: David Cherson & Micki Thomas
Final Spreadsheet & Photo Editing: Iris Goldberg Bass

And thanks to Allan Dolgow for making this possible by donating the photos.

To access the Kamennyy Brod Cemetery records:
See the updated Cemetery Inventory at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/tree/CemList.htm Look under
Ukraine and then Volhynia.

You can find all the records by starting at the search page,
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/ and doing a town search for
Kamennyy.

If you have photos >from Ukraine cemeteries, we can assist with headstone
translations and entry into the JOWBR database! Email me
marlis@vitreouscom.com or Nolan Altman nta@pipeline.com to get started.

Marlis Humphrey
Ukraine SIG Project Coordinator
marlis@vitreouscom.com
Melbourne Beach, FL
Re: NY Cemetery Suggestions #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Richard Gilbert wanted advice about where his relatives might be buried
if their funeral services were held at Riverside Memorial Chapel in New
York City in 1948 and 1966.

Unfortunately, knowing which funeral home made the burial arrangements
doesn't help. There are more than 20 Jewish funeral homes throughout
the five boroughs of New York City, but burials may be at any cemetery,
even a distant one. Riverside is still in existence - their main location
is on Amsterdam Avenue in Manhattan with five other New York City area
locations, and they are owned by Service Corporation, which owns well over
one thousand funeral homes in the U.S.A.

There are about a hundred Jewish cemeteries in and around New York City,
but Richard provided another clue, that the cemetery was in upstate New York.
(All of the cemeteries he mentioned in his message are within New York City,
not upstate.) Assuming that it was fairly close, I think he should start
with the list of Jewish cemeteries at http://www.riversidememorialchapel.com/
cemeterylocations.asp - it's >from Riverside's web site, although many other
similar lists exist - and contact those in Westchester, the county
immediately north of New York City.

Ira

Ira Leviton
New York City
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY Cemetery Suggestions #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Richard Gilbert wanted advice about where his relatives might be buried
if their funeral services were held at Riverside Memorial Chapel in New
York City in 1948 and 1966.

Unfortunately, knowing which funeral home made the burial arrangements
doesn't help. There are more than 20 Jewish funeral homes throughout
the five boroughs of New York City, but burials may be at any cemetery,
even a distant one. Riverside is still in existence - their main location
is on Amsterdam Avenue in Manhattan with five other New York City area
locations, and they are owned by Service Corporation, which owns well over
one thousand funeral homes in the U.S.A.

There are about a hundred Jewish cemeteries in and around New York City,
but Richard provided another clue, that the cemetery was in upstate New York.
(All of the cemeteries he mentioned in his message are within New York City,
not upstate.) Assuming that it was fairly close, I think he should start
with the list of Jewish cemeteries at http://www.riversidememorialchapel.com/
cemeterylocations.asp - it's >from Riverside's web site, although many other
similar lists exist - and contact those in Westchester, the county
immediately north of New York City.

Ira

Ira Leviton
New York City
Volinsky Bergenria, Russia - town location?? #general

James R. Platt <jamesrplatt@...>
 

I just got the social security application for an ancestor >from 1936
and he lists his place of birth as "Volinsky Bergenria, Russia" but I
can't find this town on JewishGen or in any other way. My guess is
that this isn't the proper name, so any suggestions as to what town
this might be are appreciated. Thank you.

-J. Platt
New York, New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Volinsky Bergenria, Russia - town location?? #general

James R. Platt <jamesrplatt@...>
 

I just got the social security application for an ancestor >from 1936
and he lists his place of birth as "Volinsky Bergenria, Russia" but I
can't find this town on JewishGen or in any other way. My guess is
that this isn't the proper name, so any suggestions as to what town
this might be are appreciated. Thank you.

-J. Platt
New York, New York
Mathilde FANTL FREUND, originally from Hungary #general

Berkowitz Eric <E-Berkowitz@...>
 

On September 14 1912 Mathilde Freund entered the US on the SS Amerika
sailing >from Hamburg. Information on her is on line 22 of the ship's
manifest; the manifest can be found on both Ancestry.com and
EllisIsland.com

On the second page containing information about her her village of birth
is listed, I cannot make it out. If anyone has familiarity with villages in
Hungary and could possibly make out the name written on the page,
I would greatly appreciate it. I have looked online at the Encyclopedia
of Jewish Communities, Hungary and couldn't find a good match.

Thanks for any help that can be provided.

Linda BerkowitzNorthbrook IL
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mathilde FANTL FREUND, originally from Hungary #general

Berkowitz Eric <E-Berkowitz@...>
 

On September 14 1912 Mathilde Freund entered the US on the SS Amerika
sailing >from Hamburg. Information on her is on line 22 of the ship's
manifest; the manifest can be found on both Ancestry.com and
EllisIsland.com

On the second page containing information about her her village of birth
is listed, I cannot make it out. If anyone has familiarity with villages in
Hungary and could possibly make out the name written on the page,
I would greatly appreciate it. I have looked online at the Encyclopedia
of Jewish Communities, Hungary and couldn't find a good match.

Thanks for any help that can be provided.

Linda BerkowitzNorthbrook IL
Ellis Island Manifests unreadable or missing #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

I've never been able to find my great-grandmother, Leah Lachowitzsky and
grandmother, Malkah Lachowitzsky in the Ellis Island manifests. They came
between 1900 and 1902. I've exhausted all possibilities. I've checked
other years, ports, and other names. I can't find them. Leah was born around
1874 and Malka was born in 1895. My great grandfather came in 1897 and
was living in the Lower East side of Manhattan.

Is it possible that some manifests just didn't stand the test of time? I
don't think I'll ever find them.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island Manifests unreadable or missing #general

Jackie Wasserstein
 

I've never been able to find my great-grandmother, Leah Lachowitzsky and
grandmother, Malkah Lachowitzsky in the Ellis Island manifests. They came
between 1900 and 1902. I've exhausted all possibilities. I've checked
other years, ports, and other names. I can't find them. Leah was born around
1874 and Malka was born in 1895. My great grandfather came in 1897 and
was living in the Lower East side of Manhattan.

Is it possible that some manifests just didn't stand the test of time? I
don't think I'll ever find them.

Jackie Wasserstein
East Meadow, New York
Seeking: ROSENTHAL, Question on English ancestor #general

Helen Nash May
 

Hi,

I have been trying to trace the family of Sabine/Sara Rosenthal (also known
as Fammachin). In 1959 she lived at xxx Wembly Park Drive, Wembly Uddt,
England. I know that she was living with her daughter at that time. I have a
22 page letter that she wrote my grandfather-in-law about the history of the
Sichel / Rosenthal family and would very much like to connect with her
family and show it to them.

I have since been on findmy past.uk and have found the death record for a
Sabine Rosenthal >from 1968 that lists her age as 97 and the county as
StMarylebne. The record is 5D 1116.

Could anyone suggest how I might proceed further. Is StMaryLebrune in the
same area as Wembly. I have been told that Wembly is now in the suburb of
Brent. Would anyone know of the Rosenthal family >from Wembly and might be
able to point me in the right direction. I have done much research in the US
and the Ukraine, but do not have any idea how to proceed in England.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Helen Nash May
New York
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: ROSENTHAL, Question on English ancestor #general

Helen Nash May
 

Hi,

I have been trying to trace the family of Sabine/Sara Rosenthal (also known
as Fammachin). In 1959 she lived at xxx Wembly Park Drive, Wembly Uddt,
England. I know that she was living with her daughter at that time. I have a
22 page letter that she wrote my grandfather-in-law about the history of the
Sichel / Rosenthal family and would very much like to connect with her
family and show it to them.

I have since been on findmy past.uk and have found the death record for a
Sabine Rosenthal >from 1968 that lists her age as 97 and the county as
StMarylebne. The record is 5D 1116.

Could anyone suggest how I might proceed further. Is StMaryLebrune in the
same area as Wembly. I have been told that Wembly is now in the suburb of
Brent. Would anyone know of the Rosenthal family >from Wembly and might be
able to point me in the right direction. I have done much research in the US
and the Ukraine, but do not have any idea how to proceed in England.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Helen Nash May
New York
Dr. GUTMAN, Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Jim Spencer <jim.spencer@...>
 

The information on my paternal grandparents is very sketchy. My grandfather
Abraham (Adolph) SPIELMAN and his family travelled >from the
Russian-controlled segment of Poland on or shortly after 1900 and settled in
Stepney, East London, U.K. He died sometime within the 9 months prior to my
father's birth on July 25th 1904. Whether he died in or outside of Britain,
I do not know. According to my father's birth certificate, his widowed
mother's name was Raisel (Rose) Spielman and her maiden name was SIGNORSKY.
The latter name seems to be non-existant among Ashenazi names. The closest
I can find are variations on ZEZMORSKY. Rose later married a man named
COHEN and she died in London in 1940.

Rose had a sister (name unknown) who married a man named GUTMAN. The
GUTMANS wound up in Buenos Aires, where Mr. GUTMAN became Dr. GUTMAN, a
physician. The GUTMANs had a son Samuel GUTMAN and possibly other children
as well. Samuel GUTMAN and his new wife visited London sometime between
1915 and 1925. My cousin in the UK has a photo taken of them during that
visit.

Is it possible that there is an Argentinian Medical Association that might
have records of physicians going back to that time? I would be most
grateful for any clues as to how to proceed. I am hoping that someone still
alive is in possession of the story behind my grandfather's death and my
grandmother's family.

Jim Spencer - Ottawa Canada
Latin America #LatinAmerica Dr. GUTMAN, Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Jim Spencer <jim.spencer@...>
 

The information on my paternal grandparents is very sketchy. My grandfather
Abraham (Adolph) SPIELMAN and his family travelled >from the
Russian-controlled segment of Poland on or shortly after 1900 and settled in
Stepney, East London, U.K. He died sometime within the 9 months prior to my
father's birth on July 25th 1904. Whether he died in or outside of Britain,
I do not know. According to my father's birth certificate, his widowed
mother's name was Raisel (Rose) Spielman and her maiden name was SIGNORSKY.
The latter name seems to be non-existant among Ashenazi names. The closest
I can find are variations on ZEZMORSKY. Rose later married a man named
COHEN and she died in London in 1940.

Rose had a sister (name unknown) who married a man named GUTMAN. The
GUTMANS wound up in Buenos Aires, where Mr. GUTMAN became Dr. GUTMAN, a
physician. The GUTMANs had a son Samuel GUTMAN and possibly other children
as well. Samuel GUTMAN and his new wife visited London sometime between
1915 and 1925. My cousin in the UK has a photo taken of them during that
visit.

Is it possible that there is an Argentinian Medical Association that might
have records of physicians going back to that time? I would be most
grateful for any clues as to how to proceed. I am hoping that someone still
alive is in possession of the story behind my grandfather's death and my
grandmother's family.

Jim Spencer - Ottawa Canada
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