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Re: Antwerp and other Belgian alien registration records - update and summary #galicia

Philip Trauring
 

Thank you to everyone for your advice.

I should say that I'm very familiar with the State Archives of
Belgium that are located in Brussels. I have been retrieving
files >from the collection since before they were moved to the
State Archives actually. Interestingly enough, while I was told
I had all the Trauring files in the archives, after reading a letter
in another file that referenced Naftali and Gittel Trauring living
in Antwerp, I contacted the archives again and asked them to
specifically look up that couple, and lo and behold they found
a file for them in the archives.

Looking at the Antwerp archives now, I see there is also a file
for them.

Let me share a bit I've learned about the two archives with
everyone. In theory, everything in the city archives (like
Antwerp) is supposed to be in the central State Archives also.
All cities were supposed to forward copies of each document
to the central archives. Obviously, being carried out by humans,
there are mistakes, but in theory the central archive files should
have everything in the city archives. I'll be testing this out
myself by ordering both files. I should add that the archivist in
the State Archives told me that they know there are gaps in
their files for the 19th century, and in particular many earlier
files in the central archives were destroyed in 1900 due to lack
of space. Thus, in particular when dealing with people who
lived in Belgium before 1900, the city files may contain
documents not found in the central archives.

The archivist also shared with m a very significant difference in
how the two archives operate. The reason the indexes of files
up until 1930 are online in the Antwerp archives is that the
workers in Antwerp are not allowed to do searches for files.
They posted the indexes up until 1930 so that researchers
could do the searches themselves. The State Archives which
hold the central archives does not have this restriction, so they
can do searches. In addition, their index system is on cards
and much larger, so it is considerably more difficult to scan -
there are millions of cards. At this point they are only planning
on putting indexes online up until 1880 (which probably
doesn't help most people on this list).

For those interested in contacting the State Archives, you can
e-mail archives.generales@arch.be, and make sure to include
in the subject 'with regard to Section 5' so it gets to the right
department.

As for Rivka's mention of German Registration documents,
does anybody know what documents these refer to and where
they might be? Rivka, are they documents >from during the
German occupation? What years are they from?

Philip Trauring
Modi'in, Israel

On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Bette Stoop Mas wrote:

<<Rivka Schirman's reply to Philip Trauring's inquiry about
1939 Belgian *German* registration documents reminded me
about the excellent thread on Antwerp Alien Registration
1840-1930 begun by Evertjan Hannivoort in August 2007.
These valuable indexes contain names of many Galicians who
resided in Antwerp. The links have changed. To update and
summarize four months of discussion:...>>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Antwerp and other Belgian alien registration records - update and summary #galicia

Philip Trauring
 

Thank you to everyone for your advice.

I should say that I'm very familiar with the State Archives of
Belgium that are located in Brussels. I have been retrieving
files >from the collection since before they were moved to the
State Archives actually. Interestingly enough, while I was told
I had all the Trauring files in the archives, after reading a letter
in another file that referenced Naftali and Gittel Trauring living
in Antwerp, I contacted the archives again and asked them to
specifically look up that couple, and lo and behold they found
a file for them in the archives.

Looking at the Antwerp archives now, I see there is also a file
for them.

Let me share a bit I've learned about the two archives with
everyone. In theory, everything in the city archives (like
Antwerp) is supposed to be in the central State Archives also.
All cities were supposed to forward copies of each document
to the central archives. Obviously, being carried out by humans,
there are mistakes, but in theory the central archive files should
have everything in the city archives. I'll be testing this out
myself by ordering both files. I should add that the archivist in
the State Archives told me that they know there are gaps in
their files for the 19th century, and in particular many earlier
files in the central archives were destroyed in 1900 due to lack
of space. Thus, in particular when dealing with people who
lived in Belgium before 1900, the city files may contain
documents not found in the central archives.

The archivist also shared with m a very significant difference in
how the two archives operate. The reason the indexes of files
up until 1930 are online in the Antwerp archives is that the
workers in Antwerp are not allowed to do searches for files.
They posted the indexes up until 1930 so that researchers
could do the searches themselves. The State Archives which
hold the central archives does not have this restriction, so they
can do searches. In addition, their index system is on cards
and much larger, so it is considerably more difficult to scan -
there are millions of cards. At this point they are only planning
on putting indexes online up until 1880 (which probably
doesn't help most people on this list).

For those interested in contacting the State Archives, you can
e-mail archives.generales@arch.be, and make sure to include
in the subject 'with regard to Section 5' so it gets to the right
department.

As for Rivka's mention of German Registration documents,
does anybody know what documents these refer to and where
they might be? Rivka, are they documents >from during the
German occupation? What years are they from?

Philip Trauring
Modi'in, Israel

On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Bette Stoop Mas wrote:

<<Rivka Schirman's reply to Philip Trauring's inquiry about
1939 Belgian *German* registration documents reminded me
about the excellent thread on Antwerp Alien Registration
1840-1930 begun by Evertjan Hannivoort in August 2007.
These valuable indexes contain names of many Galicians who
resided in Antwerp. The links have changed. To update and
summarize four months of discussion:...>>


JewishGalicia #galicia

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

I just found an interesting web site that I wanted to share with
you. It is jewishgalicia.net. It is some kind of project, but there
are tons of photos of different shtetls, cemeteries, and there
are databases on the site. There is also stuff about Bucovina.

I actually found information about my ancestral shtetl, Jezupol,
which was tiny.

Denise Azbill

MODERATOR NOTE: See the JewishGen SIG Archive at
<http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop>
for a lengthy description of the "Jewish History in Galicia and
Bukovina" site, posted in January 2010. Thank you, Denise,
for reminding us about this site.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia JewishGalicia #galicia

Denise Azbill <famaz1@...>
 

I just found an interesting web site that I wanted to share with
you. It is jewishgalicia.net. It is some kind of project, but there
are tons of photos of different shtetls, cemeteries, and there
are databases on the site. There is also stuff about Bucovina.

I actually found information about my ancestral shtetl, Jezupol,
which was tiny.

Denise Azbill

MODERATOR NOTE: See the JewishGen SIG Archive at
<http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop>
for a lengthy description of the "Jewish History in Galicia and
Bukovina" site, posted in January 2010. Thank you, Denise,
for reminding us about this site.


SHAFFER (1911 Census) #unitedkingdom

mavalan_shaffer@...
 

Dear Listers,
Can anyone help please with a 1911 Census look-up?

Harris Shaffer (various spellings)
Rachel Shaffer
Philip "
Jack/Isaac "
Solomon/Sid "
Sophia/Sophie "

Address could be 13 William St., St. George-in-the-East or
9 Norfolk Buildings " "
(or possibly moved on)

With thanks for any help.

Mav Shaffer
Redbridge, UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom SHAFFER (1911 Census) #unitedkingdom

mavalan_shaffer@...
 

Dear Listers,
Can anyone help please with a 1911 Census look-up?

Harris Shaffer (various spellings)
Rachel Shaffer
Philip "
Jack/Isaac "
Solomon/Sid "
Sophia/Sophie "

Address could be 13 William St., St. George-in-the-East or
9 Norfolk Buildings " "
(or possibly moved on)

With thanks for any help.

Mav Shaffer
Redbridge, UK


Seeking Rose Amélie ZIFFER; Paris to Santa Monica, CA #general

Joel Ives
 

I am looking for any information on Rose Amélie Ziffer who was born in Paris
in 1912. Rose lived in Santa Monica, CA >from at least 1987 to 1995. Her
mother was Bertha ZAREMBERGZ who died in Auschwitz. Rose is not listed in the
Social Security Death Index so she might be alive at age 98, she may have
married late in life or, she may have returned to France.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Rose Amélie ZIFFER; Paris to Santa Monica, CA #general

Joel Ives
 

I am looking for any information on Rose Amélie Ziffer who was born in Paris
in 1912. Rose lived in Santa Monica, CA >from at least 1987 to 1995. Her
mother was Bertha ZAREMBERGZ who died in Auschwitz. Rose is not listed in the
Social Security Death Index so she might be alive at age 98, she may have
married late in life or, she may have returned to France.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey


Library of Congress (USA) Photograph Collection #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The (US) Library of Congress has posted on Flickr a number of incredible
photographs http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/
If you type in the search box Jewish Photographs they have 989 under Yiddish
Photographs ; 4,800+ photographs of Jewish People and History-ancient and
modern

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Director-at-large
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Library of Congress (USA) Photograph Collection #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The (US) Library of Congress has posted on Flickr a number of incredible
photographs http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/
If you type in the search box Jewish Photographs they have 989 under Yiddish
Photographs ; 4,800+ photographs of Jewish People and History-ancient and
modern

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Director-at-large
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Clarification of Hebrew date... #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Shabat is not 'shabbos' but the month of Shvat. (Think of the holiday Tu
B'Shvat.) '4. Shabat 5687' is most likely 4 Shvat 5687.

Using the calendar converter at http://www.hebcal.com/converter/, it's
January 7, 1927, or the evening of January 6.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Clarification of Hebrew date... #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Cousins,

Shabat is not 'shabbos' but the month of Shvat. (Think of the holiday Tu
B'Shvat.) '4. Shabat 5687' is most likely 4 Shvat 5687.

Using the calendar converter at http://www.hebcal.com/converter/, it's
January 7, 1927, or the evening of January 6.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


Re: Hebrew date #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear fellow Genners,

I am overwhelmed by the number of you who so kindly responded to my request
for help in interpreting a Hebrew date on a small silver memento. The
engraving had become so faint that it was difficult to read, and impossible
to photograph.

However, the unanimous response was that it had to be the 4th day of the
month of Shevat , and the entire translated to Jan 7, 1927. This even
provided me with the exact day of the event, which we did not have before.

So many of you have answered that there is no way that I could answer to each
separately, but please, everyone, do accept my most sincere gratitude for
your help! I will be making a donation to JewishGen in appreciation!

Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA USA

[MODERATOR Note: Thank you, Rosanne. Making a donation to JewishGen is a
wonderful way to say, "Thank you!" http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ ]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Hebrew date #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear fellow Genners,

I am overwhelmed by the number of you who so kindly responded to my request
for help in interpreting a Hebrew date on a small silver memento. The
engraving had become so faint that it was difficult to read, and impossible
to photograph.

However, the unanimous response was that it had to be the 4th day of the
month of Shevat , and the entire translated to Jan 7, 1927. This even
provided me with the exact day of the event, which we did not have before.

So many of you have answered that there is no way that I could answer to each
separately, but please, everyone, do accept my most sincere gratitude for
your help! I will be making a donation to JewishGen in appreciation!

Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA USA

[MODERATOR Note: Thank you, Rosanne. Making a donation to JewishGen is a
wonderful way to say, "Thank you!" http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ ]


Re: Clarification of Hebrew date... #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Rosanne Leeson wrote on 27 aug 2010 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish inscribed
as a remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The date is given as:
4. Shabat 5687.
I have figured out that the year is 1927, which does indeed correspond with
her date of birth, which was 1857. No more precise date was given me.
I think 1926.

The 7th month >from Nissan [start of the ecclesiastical year] is Tishrei
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishrei>
even though it is the first month of the civil year.

Because it is the 7th it is called the "Shabbos month".

Then this would be 4 Tishrei 5687.

5687 + 240 - 4000 = 1927

However as this is after! Roshhashone, it must be one common era year earlier:
[5770 starts in 2009 and ends in 2010.]

So:

12 Sept 1926 before sunset.

<http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=27&gm=8&gy=2010&hd=4&hm=Tishrei&hy=
5687&h2g=Compute+Gregorian+Date>
[MODERATOR Note: tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/2aqg4ue ]

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Clarification of Hebrew date... #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Rosanne Leeson wrote on 27 aug 2010 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
I am in possession of a small family memento, a 2-inch silver dish inscribed
as a remembrance of a family member's 70th birthday. The date is given as:
4. Shabat 5687.
I have figured out that the year is 1927, which does indeed correspond with
her date of birth, which was 1857. No more precise date was given me.
I think 1926.

The 7th month >from Nissan [start of the ecclesiastical year] is Tishrei
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishrei>
even though it is the first month of the civil year.

Because it is the 7th it is called the "Shabbos month".

Then this would be 4 Tishrei 5687.

5687 + 240 - 4000 = 1927

However as this is after! Roshhashone, it must be one common era year earlier:
[5770 starts in 2009 and ends in 2010.]

So:

12 Sept 1926 before sunset.

<http://www.hebcal.com/converter/?gd=27&gm=8&gy=2010&hd=4&hm=Tishrei&hy=
5687&h2g=Compute+Gregorian+Date>
[MODERATOR Note: tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/2aqg4ue ]

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)


New genealogy book "Remember Me to the Little Ones" #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

"Remember Me to the Little Ones" is a newly published book by Nancy Kravetz.
Among the family names she researched >from Eishyshok, Rosson and Ostrog were
Jaffe, Wein, Wajn, Pelovsky, Black, Kagan, Perlow, Dubois, Weomberger, Allen,
Shube and Clayman. She meticulously traces the family in their wanderings
to France, Israel and the United States.

One of the many quotations >from the book's sidebars says: "It took six months
to get here. My grandfather hired an armed guard on horseback to accompany
the family and other people traveling with us >from the
village. We left Ostryna by horse and wagon"

The book's premium quality paper, 400 superb illustrations and photographs,
glossary, index, and large foldout family history gate fold all make for
clarity in reading the texts and an enjoyable experience. The book itself
is 191 pages. Arthur Kurzweil wrote the Forward and called this
"Everypersons story"---how true.

"Remember Me" should inspire anyone doing family genealogy to publish their
work in some form as a legacy for their family and heirs. The quality of
this book will set the gold standard for new publications.

"Remember Me" is available in soft cover for $25 + $5 shipping and handling.
Proceeds >from the sale of the book benefit the religious school children at
Beth El Congregation in Phoenix. Please send checks made out to Beth El
Congregation, to my attention (att: Janette Silverman) Beth El Congregation,
1118 W Glendale Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85021. Credit card orders are accepted by
phone (602-944-3359 ext 123) or email jsilverman@bethelphoenix.com .

Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New genealogy book "Remember Me to the Little Ones" #general

Janette <janettes@...>
 

"Remember Me to the Little Ones" is a newly published book by Nancy Kravetz.
Among the family names she researched >from Eishyshok, Rosson and Ostrog were
Jaffe, Wein, Wajn, Pelovsky, Black, Kagan, Perlow, Dubois, Weomberger, Allen,
Shube and Clayman. She meticulously traces the family in their wanderings
to France, Israel and the United States.

One of the many quotations >from the book's sidebars says: "It took six months
to get here. My grandfather hired an armed guard on horseback to accompany
the family and other people traveling with us >from the
village. We left Ostryna by horse and wagon"

The book's premium quality paper, 400 superb illustrations and photographs,
glossary, index, and large foldout family history gate fold all make for
clarity in reading the texts and an enjoyable experience. The book itself
is 191 pages. Arthur Kurzweil wrote the Forward and called this
"Everypersons story"---how true.

"Remember Me" should inspire anyone doing family genealogy to publish their
work in some form as a legacy for their family and heirs. The quality of
this book will set the gold standard for new publications.

"Remember Me" is available in soft cover for $25 + $5 shipping and handling.
Proceeds >from the sale of the book benefit the religious school children at
Beth El Congregation in Phoenix. Please send checks made out to Beth El
Congregation, to my attention (att: Janette Silverman) Beth El Congregation,
1118 W Glendale Ave., Phoenix, AZ 85021. Credit card orders are accepted by
phone (602-944-3359 ext 123) or email jsilverman@bethelphoenix.com .

Janette Silverman
Phoenix, AZ


szczecin addresses #germany

Judith Diamond
 

Can anyone tell me where can I find a map to show the whereabouts of
prewar streets in Szczecin which have either been rebuilt or
renamed. I am looking for Breite strasse, Pioneerstr, Elizabethstr,
Birkenalle where my father's Lechner cousin and family lived at
times between 1899 and 1939.
I am visiting Szczecin in September.

Many thanks, Judith Diamond, London, UK, jrd@bjdiamond.plus.com


German SIG #Germany szczecin addresses #germany

Judith Diamond
 

Can anyone tell me where can I find a map to show the whereabouts of
prewar streets in Szczecin which have either been rebuilt or
renamed. I am looking for Breite strasse, Pioneerstr, Elizabethstr,
Birkenalle where my father's Lechner cousin and family lived at
times between 1899 and 1939.
I am visiting Szczecin in September.

Many thanks, Judith Diamond, London, UK, jrd@bjdiamond.plus.com