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Re: Polish Citizens Escape to Russia - western Poland
#general
Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
The Polish army actually fought pretty heroically against the Germans in
1939, and it's a myth that the Poles charged German tanks on horseback. A major factor in the Poles defense was that they positioned most of their forces far forward in the extreme Western area of Poland, much of them in areas that were historically contested by Germany. The Poles did this because they feared that if the Germans rapidly took these areas without a stiff Polish defense England and France might sign a separate pact with Germany similar to Munich, rather than go to war to assist the Poles. Militarily the Poles would have been better advised to hold more of their forces back further East and wage more of a defense in depth, and their Generals knew this, but it was a Political decision, and one that in the context of the time probably made some good sense. Some of the Yizkor books contain testimony >from Jewish men who fought in the Polish Army during this period. It's important to also remember the Soviets participated in the launch of WW II, and invaded Poland on the 17th of September claiming to be protecting Ukrainian and Belorussian minorities in Eastern Poland. The Soviets murdered numerous Polish officers and murdered many Polish prisoners of war. Also the Polish defense plan had called for a retreat to the Southeast part of Poland while awaiting relief >from the Western allies who it was hoped would attack on Germany's Western border. However once the Soviets attacked in the East there was thought to be no chance at all that Germany could be defeated in the West. Poland's fate was sealed, The Polish Jews were caught between the two totalitarian homicidal expansionist powers, each of which in their own way and to their own degree would be very bad for them. Many of the Yizkor books >from Eastern Poland include memories from this period. The one >from my families Shtetl makes very palpablethe anxiety, tension, and desperation of the towns Jews. I also have a letter written in late August of 1939 to relatives in the US which very clearly and fatefully communicates fear and anxiety regarding what was developing. It's really frightening to read, as you realize that these poor people were at the mercy of events over which they had no control at all, and which they new were going to impact them very adversely. just at that point they really couldn't imagine just how bad it would be. Tilford Bartman On 12/9/2010 4:47 AM, Martin Davis (com) wrote: The destruction of the Polish Jewish and Christian communities of
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Citizens Escape to Russia - western Poland
#general
Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
The Polish army actually fought pretty heroically against the Germans in
1939, and it's a myth that the Poles charged German tanks on horseback. A major factor in the Poles defense was that they positioned most of their forces far forward in the extreme Western area of Poland, much of them in areas that were historically contested by Germany. The Poles did this because they feared that if the Germans rapidly took these areas without a stiff Polish defense England and France might sign a separate pact with Germany similar to Munich, rather than go to war to assist the Poles. Militarily the Poles would have been better advised to hold more of their forces back further East and wage more of a defense in depth, and their Generals knew this, but it was a Political decision, and one that in the context of the time probably made some good sense. Some of the Yizkor books contain testimony >from Jewish men who fought in the Polish Army during this period. It's important to also remember the Soviets participated in the launch of WW II, and invaded Poland on the 17th of September claiming to be protecting Ukrainian and Belorussian minorities in Eastern Poland. The Soviets murdered numerous Polish officers and murdered many Polish prisoners of war. Also the Polish defense plan had called for a retreat to the Southeast part of Poland while awaiting relief >from the Western allies who it was hoped would attack on Germany's Western border. However once the Soviets attacked in the East there was thought to be no chance at all that Germany could be defeated in the West. Poland's fate was sealed, The Polish Jews were caught between the two totalitarian homicidal expansionist powers, each of which in their own way and to their own degree would be very bad for them. Many of the Yizkor books >from Eastern Poland include memories from this period. The one >from my families Shtetl makes very palpablethe anxiety, tension, and desperation of the towns Jews. I also have a letter written in late August of 1939 to relatives in the US which very clearly and fatefully communicates fear and anxiety regarding what was developing. It's really frightening to read, as you realize that these poor people were at the mercy of events over which they had no control at all, and which they new were going to impact them very adversely. just at that point they really couldn't imagine just how bad it would be. Tilford Bartman On 12/9/2010 4:47 AM, Martin Davis (com) wrote: The destruction of the Polish Jewish and Christian communities of
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Hot off the press - additional newspaper archves from Eretz Israel available
#belarus
rosef@...
The Historical Jewish Press website of the National Library and the
Tel-Aviv University have just upload the archives of three additional newspapers >from Eretz Israel. Haskafa 1896-1908 Habazeleth 1893- 1911 and Maariv 1948 - All three newspapers are in Hebrew. http://www.jpress.org.il/cross-section/allpub-en.asp For those with roots in Eretz Israel - enjoy! Rose Feldman IGS webmistress http://www.isragen.org.il keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with http://twitter.com/isragen
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Hot off the press - additional newspaper archves from Eretz Israel available
#belarus
rosef@...
The Historical Jewish Press website of the National Library and the
Tel-Aviv University have just upload the archives of three additional newspapers >from Eretz Israel. Haskafa 1896-1908 Habazeleth 1893- 1911 and Maariv 1948 - All three newspapers are in Hebrew. http://www.jpress.org.il/cross-section/allpub-en.asp For those with roots in Eretz Israel - enjoy! Rose Feldman IGS webmistress http://www.isragen.org.il keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with http://twitter.com/isragen
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translation
#ukraine
androgyn@...
Yesterday, I posted a message indicating that three documents had been
accepted on Viewmate. I was mistaken; at that time, only one document (17409) was accessible on Viewmate, and I have received a translation of that document. Now the two remaining documents (17411 and 17412) are up. I would be very grateful for a translation, in each document, of the column headings, and the one line of information pertaining to SCHREIBMAN. Thanks. Marty Thomas Toronto researching: SCHREIBMAN/SCHREIBMANN/SHRYBMAN (Zhitomir, Paris, Montreal, Buffalo) DOMASZEWICKI/TOMASHEVITSKY (Gorodeya, Belarus) MODERATOR' NOTE: The addresses for these documents are: http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=17411 http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=17412 These are in Russian.
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Hot off the press - additional newspaper archves from Eretz Israel available
#ukraine
rosef@...
The Historical Jewish Press website of the National Library and the
Tel-Aviv University have just upload the archives of three additional newspapers >from Eretz Israel. Haskafa 1896-1908 Habazeleth 1893- 1911 and Maariv 1948 - All three newspapers are in Hebrew. http://www.jpress.org.il/cross-section/allpub-en.asp For those with roots in Eretz Israel - enjoy! Rose Feldman IGS webmistress http://www.isragen.org.il keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with http://twitter.com/isragen
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine translation
#ukraine
androgyn@...
Yesterday, I posted a message indicating that three documents had been
accepted on Viewmate. I was mistaken; at that time, only one document (17409) was accessible on Viewmate, and I have received a translation of that document. Now the two remaining documents (17411 and 17412) are up. I would be very grateful for a translation, in each document, of the column headings, and the one line of information pertaining to SCHREIBMAN. Thanks. Marty Thomas Toronto researching: SCHREIBMAN/SCHREIBMANN/SHRYBMAN (Zhitomir, Paris, Montreal, Buffalo) DOMASZEWICKI/TOMASHEVITSKY (Gorodeya, Belarus) MODERATOR' NOTE: The addresses for these documents are: http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=17411 http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=17412 These are in Russian.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Hot off the press - additional newspaper archves from Eretz Israel available
#ukraine
rosef@...
The Historical Jewish Press website of the National Library and the
Tel-Aviv University have just upload the archives of three additional newspapers >from Eretz Israel. Haskafa 1896-1908 Habazeleth 1893- 1911 and Maariv 1948 - All three newspapers are in Hebrew. http://www.jpress.org.il/cross-section/allpub-en.asp For those with roots in Eretz Israel - enjoy! Rose Feldman IGS webmistress http://www.isragen.org.il keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general with http://twitter.com/isragen
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Y and mt haplogroup mismatch
#dna
Martin Davis (com)
Alex Miller's question about the speed of mutation of Y-DNA and mtDNA, using
a pre Columbian Native American example, is an novel pathway into Jewish DNA issues. He asked, in reference to the Native Americans DNA research findings: "...Does that mean that the mtDNA mutates faster, or these guys got their women by mail order >from another continent?". An accessible reference for Native American DNA research is to be found at http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abstract/130/1/153 and indicates that Native American mitochondrial DNA were founded by two independent migrations. So nothing to do with speed of mutation (mtDNA has a much slower mutation rate). A more conventional path into the subject of Jewish DNA could be via the Wiki page Genetic Studies on Jews to be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews . Best regards Martin Davis
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DNA Research #DNA Y and mt haplogroup mismatch
#dna
Martin Davis (com)
Alex Miller's question about the speed of mutation of Y-DNA and mtDNA, using
a pre Columbian Native American example, is an novel pathway into Jewish DNA issues. He asked, in reference to the Native Americans DNA research findings: "...Does that mean that the mtDNA mutates faster, or these guys got their women by mail order >from another continent?". An accessible reference for Native American DNA research is to be found at http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abstract/130/1/153 and indicates that Native American mitochondrial DNA were founded by two independent migrations. So nothing to do with speed of mutation (mtDNA has a much slower mutation rate). A more conventional path into the subject of Jewish DNA could be via the Wiki page Genetic Studies on Jews to be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews . Best regards Martin Davis
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Seek in Montevideo Uruguay or nearby town GOLDSMITH and RABINOVICH
#latinamerica
Susan Goldsmith
Dear Researchers,
Please contact me privately if you know or knew Shmuel Avigdor GOLDSHMIDT, b. 1892 Seta Lithuania, his wife Paia, nee RABINOVICH, b.1896 Kedainiai or Seta and their daughter Itel b. 1924 Kedainiai or Seta who emigrated to Montevideo in the late 1920s-early 1930s. I do not know Itel's married name but hope to find her and/or her children. Thank you for any leads you can provide. Best Regards, Susan Goldsmith San Francisco, CA Bay Area s
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Latin America #LatinAmerica Seek in Montevideo Uruguay or nearby town GOLDSMITH and RABINOVICH
#latinamerica
Susan Goldsmith
Dear Researchers,
Please contact me privately if you know or knew Shmuel Avigdor GOLDSHMIDT, b. 1892 Seta Lithuania, his wife Paia, nee RABINOVICH, b.1896 Kedainiai or Seta and their daughter Itel b. 1924 Kedainiai or Seta who emigrated to Montevideo in the late 1920s-early 1930s. I do not know Itel's married name but hope to find her and/or her children. Thank you for any leads you can provide. Best Regards, Susan Goldsmith San Francisco, CA Bay Area s
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Too many with same name - need help sorting out who is who
#general
Debby Gincig Painter
After years of trying, I am wondering if someone might be able to help sort some
information out for or with me. I am trying to connect a Morris and a Charles GINCIG/GINZIG living in New York City to my family. The problem is that that I have come across at least 6 Charles Ginzigs and 3 Morris Ginzig/Gincigs located in New York City and its boroughs during the same time period with a Morris and a Charles, both involved in the diamond or jeweler business but no other information (date of birth/death, family members etc available) so haven't been able to verify they are the right ones. (Note: Family stories say we had a relative in NYC or Chesapeake Bay NY that was a jeweler who never married and so a relative >from California traveled to New York and received an inheritance. This has been handed down so details are probably fuzzy at best. It might be possible that he just didn't have any descendants.) What information I do have: An article >from the New York Sun dated Monday December 10, 1928 mentioning a jewelry store "Gincig & Siegel, Inc" located at 48 West Forty-eight St. I believe the Gincig in "Gincig & Siegel is Morris Gincig (also found as Ginzig and other spellings) b. August 1967 in either Krakow, Austria or New York City - parents born Germany (census information). He was a jeweler and married Julia (nee REINHEIMER) June 8, 1897 in Manhattan. A death notice has him passing March 30, 1950 but doesn't not mention any children but does mention Julia. His birth certificate lists parents as Charles and Rose (nee Mincey) Gincig. Charles Gincig was born Abt. 1835 in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown probably in New York City, NY. He married Rosa MEIZEL. She was born Abt. 1837 in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown in probably New York City, NY. These names >from Son William's birth certificate. William was b. July 7, 1875 New York City, NY d. February 10, 1936 Los Angeles, Ca. William's year of birth varies >from 1873-1876 on his children's birth certificates. William is my Great-Grandfather. Are these the same persons as above?: 1880 New York Census - Charles Ginzig b. abt 1835 (Austria German speaking; necktie maker) - Wife Rachel b. about 1837 and sons Bernard b. abt 1859 Germany, John b. abt 1862 Germany, Morris b. abt 1866 Germany, and William b. 1876 NYC. What information I have that I don't believe is for my Charles Gincig/Ginzig: Charles Ginzig 1872 113 Division St, NYC Peddler Charles Ginzig 40 Delancy St New York City 1878 Laborer aka Charles Ginsig: Naturalized 1876 New York City. Nationality: Austria. Address: 40 Delancy St? Charles Ginzig 5 Allen New York City - tailor 1886; Necktie Maker 1880 Charles Ginzig b. Oct. 1834 Germany; married Henrietta. 1900 Day Laborer Cigar Roller 1910. State of Iowa Census. Charles Ginzig b. about 1833 Poland d. August 13, 1908 Manhattan NY married Rosalia ? b. about 1835 in Poland. d. March 28, 1902 Manhattan, NY. Source: 1870 census. Is he Kalman Guntzig/Gincig married to Rajzla Muntzer found in Poland Index Jewishgen? Census workers many times wrote what they heard, people used different names, and then throw in the confusion of Krakow belonging to Austria, Poland and Galicia with its citizens speaking either Polish, German or Yiddish in U.S. censuses and you can see why I'm crying out for help!! Here's hoping someone is better at this then I am, Debby Gincig Painter Michigan
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Too many with same name - need help sorting out who is who
#general
Debby Gincig Painter
After years of trying, I am wondering if someone might be able to help sort some
information out for or with me. I am trying to connect a Morris and a Charles GINCIG/GINZIG living in New York City to my family. The problem is that that I have come across at least 6 Charles Ginzigs and 3 Morris Ginzig/Gincigs located in New York City and its boroughs during the same time period with a Morris and a Charles, both involved in the diamond or jeweler business but no other information (date of birth/death, family members etc available) so haven't been able to verify they are the right ones. (Note: Family stories say we had a relative in NYC or Chesapeake Bay NY that was a jeweler who never married and so a relative >from California traveled to New York and received an inheritance. This has been handed down so details are probably fuzzy at best. It might be possible that he just didn't have any descendants.) What information I do have: An article >from the New York Sun dated Monday December 10, 1928 mentioning a jewelry store "Gincig & Siegel, Inc" located at 48 West Forty-eight St. I believe the Gincig in "Gincig & Siegel is Morris Gincig (also found as Ginzig and other spellings) b. August 1967 in either Krakow, Austria or New York City - parents born Germany (census information). He was a jeweler and married Julia (nee REINHEIMER) June 8, 1897 in Manhattan. A death notice has him passing March 30, 1950 but doesn't not mention any children but does mention Julia. His birth certificate lists parents as Charles and Rose (nee Mincey) Gincig. Charles Gincig was born Abt. 1835 in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown probably in New York City, NY. He married Rosa MEIZEL. She was born Abt. 1837 in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown in probably New York City, NY. These names >from Son William's birth certificate. William was b. July 7, 1875 New York City, NY d. February 10, 1936 Los Angeles, Ca. William's year of birth varies >from 1873-1876 on his children's birth certificates. William is my Great-Grandfather. Are these the same persons as above?: 1880 New York Census - Charles Ginzig b. abt 1835 (Austria German speaking; necktie maker) - Wife Rachel b. about 1837 and sons Bernard b. abt 1859 Germany, John b. abt 1862 Germany, Morris b. abt 1866 Germany, and William b. 1876 NYC. What information I have that I don't believe is for my Charles Gincig/Ginzig: Charles Ginzig 1872 113 Division St, NYC Peddler Charles Ginzig 40 Delancy St New York City 1878 Laborer aka Charles Ginsig: Naturalized 1876 New York City. Nationality: Austria. Address: 40 Delancy St? Charles Ginzig 5 Allen New York City - tailor 1886; Necktie Maker 1880 Charles Ginzig b. Oct. 1834 Germany; married Henrietta. 1900 Day Laborer Cigar Roller 1910. State of Iowa Census. Charles Ginzig b. about 1833 Poland d. August 13, 1908 Manhattan NY married Rosalia ? b. about 1835 in Poland. d. March 28, 1902 Manhattan, NY. Source: 1870 census. Is he Kalman Guntzig/Gincig married to Rajzla Muntzer found in Poland Index Jewishgen? Census workers many times wrote what they heard, people used different names, and then throw in the confusion of Krakow belonging to Austria, Poland and Galicia with its citizens speaking either Polish, German or Yiddish in U.S. censuses and you can see why I'm crying out for help!! Here's hoping someone is better at this then I am, Debby Gincig Painter Michigan
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How to find the cemetery for a Boston 1900 death?
#general
Mark London <mrl@...>
Hi - I've found a 1900 record of the death of a person in Boston. The
record doesn't indicate the actual cemetery, only the city where the person was buried, i.e. Boston. I've searched the JCAM database (http://www.jcam.org/), findagrave.com, and jewishgen.org, but the person is not listed in any of those databases. Unfortunately any other relatives of this person, died decades later, so they were probably buried in different cemeteries. Does anyone have any suggestions of what else I might try (besides, of course, looking through every Boston Jewish cemetery that have burials >from that time period)? Thanks very much. Mark London
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Updated Kremenets Concordance now has 122,433 entries
#general
Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
I am pleased to announce that the Kremenets (Ukraine) Shtetl CO-OP
has added more than 50,000 new entries to our Indexed Concordance of Personal Names and Town Names. We now have a total of 122,433 entries in the Concordance. The Concordance is a master index to all of the documents we have translated over the past 10 years. Vital Records 57,875 entries Revision Lists 53,879 Central Archives 4,734 Yizkor Books 3,270 Other sources 1,830 see/see also refs 1,549 The increased number of entries results >from the addition of newly translated (but not yet proofread) revision lists for Kremenets District Towns. To search the Concordance using Steve Morse's One-Step Search Engine, go to: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets Be sure to read the updated Introduction and Guides document. It describes each source and explains how to interpret the Source and Location in Source data in the Concordance. Many thanks to Adam Bronstein for updating our search engine to make all the new entries accessible. Here is a ranked list of towns that appear more than 500 times in the Concordance: Rank Registration Town No. of Entries 1 Kremenets 37,854 2 Vishnevets 13,931 3 Radyvyliv 8,219 (Chervonoarmeysk,Radzivilov) 4 Katerinovka (Katerburg) 7,417 5 Yampol 4,442 6 Shumskoye 4,348 7 Velikiye Berezhtsy 3,646 (Berezhets/Brezits) 8 Vyshgorodok 3,188 9 Oleksinets (Novyy Aleksinets) 2,739 10 Lanovtsy (Lanovets) 2,451 11 Belozerka 1,721 (Bialozorka, Belozorki) 12 Pochayiv 1,661 13 Dubno, Dubno Uyezd 1,384 14 Gorokhov (Orchov) 1,189 Volodymyr-Volyns'kyy Uyezd 15 Rakhmanov 852 16 Verba, Dubno Uyezd 508 The Concordance is free and downloadable >from our JewishGen Shtetlinks website (www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets). Our translation spreadsheets are available for free download at our Google Sites website. For additional information, please contact me at rddpdx@.... The Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP is affiliated with Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. (JRI-Poland) and is an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group. Ron Doctor (rddpdx@...) Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP / JRI-Poland an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to find the cemetery for a Boston 1900 death?
#general
Mark London <mrl@...>
Hi - I've found a 1900 record of the death of a person in Boston. The
record doesn't indicate the actual cemetery, only the city where the person was buried, i.e. Boston. I've searched the JCAM database (http://www.jcam.org/), findagrave.com, and jewishgen.org, but the person is not listed in any of those databases. Unfortunately any other relatives of this person, died decades later, so they were probably buried in different cemeteries. Does anyone have any suggestions of what else I might try (besides, of course, looking through every Boston Jewish cemetery that have burials >from that time period)? Thanks very much. Mark London
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Updated Kremenets Concordance now has 122,433 entries
#general
Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
I am pleased to announce that the Kremenets (Ukraine) Shtetl CO-OP
has added more than 50,000 new entries to our Indexed Concordance of Personal Names and Town Names. We now have a total of 122,433 entries in the Concordance. The Concordance is a master index to all of the documents we have translated over the past 10 years. Vital Records 57,875 entries Revision Lists 53,879 Central Archives 4,734 Yizkor Books 3,270 Other sources 1,830 see/see also refs 1,549 The increased number of entries results >from the addition of newly translated (but not yet proofread) revision lists for Kremenets District Towns. To search the Concordance using Steve Morse's One-Step Search Engine, go to: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets Be sure to read the updated Introduction and Guides document. It describes each source and explains how to interpret the Source and Location in Source data in the Concordance. Many thanks to Adam Bronstein for updating our search engine to make all the new entries accessible. Here is a ranked list of towns that appear more than 500 times in the Concordance: Rank Registration Town No. of Entries 1 Kremenets 37,854 2 Vishnevets 13,931 3 Radyvyliv 8,219 (Chervonoarmeysk,Radzivilov) 4 Katerinovka (Katerburg) 7,417 5 Yampol 4,442 6 Shumskoye 4,348 7 Velikiye Berezhtsy 3,646 (Berezhets/Brezits) 8 Vyshgorodok 3,188 9 Oleksinets (Novyy Aleksinets) 2,739 10 Lanovtsy (Lanovets) 2,451 11 Belozerka 1,721 (Bialozorka, Belozorki) 12 Pochayiv 1,661 13 Dubno, Dubno Uyezd 1,384 14 Gorokhov (Orchov) 1,189 Volodymyr-Volyns'kyy Uyezd 15 Rakhmanov 852 16 Verba, Dubno Uyezd 508 The Concordance is free and downloadable >from our JewishGen Shtetlinks website (www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets). Our translation spreadsheets are available for free download at our Google Sites website. For additional information, please contact me at rddpdx@.... The Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP is affiliated with Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc. (JRI-Poland) and is an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group. Ron Doctor (rddpdx@...) Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP / JRI-Poland an activity of the Kremenets District Research Group
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Re: Viewmate
#austria-czech
Marcella S
Hi All
Heard so much about Viewmate - where do I get access to the website? I would love help translating a couple of Yiddish letters I inherited when my husband's father passed away I am hoping they reference the family he left behind in Lithuania when he emigrated to South Africa Thanks Marcella Shames MODERATOR NOTE: Viewmate can be found by going to the JewishGen home page and selecting the link which appears under Research.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Viewmate
#general
Marcella S
Hi All
Heard so much about Viewmate - where do I get access to the website? I would love help translating a couple of Yiddish letters I inherited when my husband's father passed away I am hoping they reference the family he left behind in Lithuania when he emigrated to South Africa Thanks Marcella Shames MODERATOR NOTE: Viewmate can be found by going to the JewishGen home page and selecting the link which appears under Research.
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