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Re: Info on the name Genendel #general

Jrbaston
 

The discussion on the name "Genendel" reminds me that "Genendel" can
have a number of diminutives, among which are "Gnesse," "Gensia" or
"Nesha."

Gnesse" or "Gnesia" or "Nesha" can often be an amuletic name, given
when someone is sick, to fool the angel of death. It is a derivative of
"Genana," or "Genendel," which, as others have noted, Rabbi Shmuel Gorr
in his book, "Jewish Personal Names," means "old woman." Thus, if a
young woman was sick, she might be renamed "Gnessa" or have "Nesia"
added to her name to fool the angel of death into believing she was an
old woman and thus not the one he was seeking.

I had always believed my great-grandmother's name was Haya Nesha;
it said so on her papers and her tombstone. Imagine my surprise when
I found vital records that referred to her as Fruma Feiga. She must have
been ill as a young woman and been transformed with a double amuletic
name -- Haya (Chaya) for "life" and "Nesha" to fool the angel of death into
believing she was an old woman. ( She was born in Lomza and lived in Nur
(in southeastern) Lomza Gubernia after her 1872 marriage until her 1922
immigration to the U.S.)

For a woman, an additional amuletic name could be Altke (old woman) and
for a man, Alter (old), Chaim (life), or names such as Leyb or Aryeh or
Zeev that denote strong animals such as a lion or a wolf. Of course, many
Chayas and Chaims and Zeevs and Leybs were given those names at birth.
But presence of an amuletic name can help explain a discrepancy between
two vital records, or between written record and oral tradition.

Judy Baston
Jrbaston@...
San Francisco, CA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Info on the name Genendel #general

Jrbaston
 

The discussion on the name "Genendel" reminds me that "Genendel" can
have a number of diminutives, among which are "Gnesse," "Gensia" or
"Nesha."

Gnesse" or "Gnesia" or "Nesha" can often be an amuletic name, given
when someone is sick, to fool the angel of death. It is a derivative of
"Genana," or "Genendel," which, as others have noted, Rabbi Shmuel Gorr
in his book, "Jewish Personal Names," means "old woman." Thus, if a
young woman was sick, she might be renamed "Gnessa" or have "Nesia"
added to her name to fool the angel of death into believing she was an
old woman and thus not the one he was seeking.

I had always believed my great-grandmother's name was Haya Nesha;
it said so on her papers and her tombstone. Imagine my surprise when
I found vital records that referred to her as Fruma Feiga. She must have
been ill as a young woman and been transformed with a double amuletic
name -- Haya (Chaya) for "life" and "Nesha" to fool the angel of death into
believing she was an old woman. ( She was born in Lomza and lived in Nur
(in southeastern) Lomza Gubernia after her 1872 marriage until her 1922
immigration to the U.S.)

For a woman, an additional amuletic name could be Altke (old woman) and
for a man, Alter (old), Chaim (life), or names such as Leyb or Aryeh or
Zeev that denote strong animals such as a lion or a wolf. Of course, many
Chayas and Chaims and Zeevs and Leybs were given those names at birth.
But presence of an amuletic name can help explain a discrepancy between
two vital records, or between written record and oral tradition.

Judy Baston
Jrbaston@...
San Francisco, CA, USA


Re: Help the Smithsonian Identify a Jewish Sampler #general

Renee Steinig
 

Regarding the National Museum of American History's efforts to
identify two people who in the mid-1840s stitched samplers containing
the Hebrew alphabet (http://tinyurl.com/434letb):

As Martin Davis and Helene Kenvin wrote, one is surely signed "B.
LAZARUS 1843," not LAXARUS. The second was likely worked in 1845 by
someone named HOLLANDER (umlauted A), not HOLLUNDER.

Speculating on the origin of the needlework, a museum volunteer wrote,
"Charleston, South Carolina, had an early Jewish population so it is a
possibility as well as Miami, Florida, since Mrs. Augustus Levy
Warshaw came >from Miami." (Augusta -- not Augustus -- Warshaw was the
wife of Isadore, who donated his collection to the museum. According
to the museum --http://americanhistory.si.edu/archives/d7060a.htm --
she worked in Miami before marrying in 1944.) More likely, the
samplers originated in a state where the names HOLLANDER and LAZARUS
show up on the 1840 and/or 1850 censuses: Mississippi, Missouri, New
York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@...


Re: Waldheim Jewish Cemetery in Chicago #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Thanks for all the great information everyone. Jewishdata.com, which
had a photo of the grave, albeit it needs a lot of cleaning up to make
it all readable. Much appreciated! - Mark London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Help the Smithsonian Identify a Jewish Sampler #general

Renee Steinig
 

Regarding the National Museum of American History's efforts to
identify two people who in the mid-1840s stitched samplers containing
the Hebrew alphabet (http://tinyurl.com/434letb):

As Martin Davis and Helene Kenvin wrote, one is surely signed "B.
LAZARUS 1843," not LAXARUS. The second was likely worked in 1845 by
someone named HOLLANDER (umlauted A), not HOLLUNDER.

Speculating on the origin of the needlework, a museum volunteer wrote,
"Charleston, South Carolina, had an early Jewish population so it is a
possibility as well as Miami, Florida, since Mrs. Augustus Levy
Warshaw came >from Miami." (Augusta -- not Augustus -- Warshaw was the
wife of Isadore, who donated his collection to the museum. According
to the museum --http://americanhistory.si.edu/archives/d7060a.htm --
she worked in Miami before marrying in 1944.) More likely, the
samplers originated in a state where the names HOLLANDER and LAZARUS
show up on the 1840 and/or 1850 censuses: Mississippi, Missouri, New
York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Waldheim Jewish Cemetery in Chicago #general

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Thanks for all the great information everyone. Jewishdata.com, which
had a photo of the grave, albeit it needs a lot of cleaning up to make
it all readable. Much appreciated! - Mark London


DISNA DISTRICT RESEARCH #belarus

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna District Research Group of Litvaksig is a small research group with
an interest in places, some of which are outside of modern day Lithuania
; in fact I believe that today they are all part of Belarus. The Towns and
Shtetls that we cover include: Bildziugi, Disna, Druya, Germanovici, Glubokoye
Golubicy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postovy and Sharkovschina...

Our most recent project has been the 1834 Revision List with the translations
for Sharkovschina and Druya having just been completed. Disna, Plisa and
Postavy are still in the pipeline and we hope to complete them shortly.

For further information you may contact me at hedakal@... and I will
do my best to help.

Josie Barnett
Disna District Coordinator.


Belarus SIG #Belarus DISNA DISTRICT RESEARCH #belarus

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna District Research Group of Litvaksig is a small research group with
an interest in places, some of which are outside of modern day Lithuania
; in fact I believe that today they are all part of Belarus. The Towns and
Shtetls that we cover include: Bildziugi, Disna, Druya, Germanovici, Glubokoye
Golubicy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postovy and Sharkovschina...

Our most recent project has been the 1834 Revision List with the translations
for Sharkovschina and Druya having just been completed. Disna, Plisa and
Postavy are still in the pipeline and we hope to complete them shortly.

For further information you may contact me at hedakal@... and I will
do my best to help.

Josie Barnett
Disna District Coordinator.


What country did our ancestors come from? #latvia

Howard Margol
 

I do not know the exact years but sometime between 1850 - 1880, many Jews
in Lithuania developed a scheme to move >from the Pale of Settlement in
Lithuania to Riga, Latvia which was outside the Pale.

The family in Lithuania got a Jew in Riga to adopt them. Once they became
part of the family, they were allowed to move to Riga. This worked for a
number of years until the Russian authorities realized what was going on. When
a 30 year old, in Riga, adopted a 70 year old and his entire family in
Lithuania, it was pretty evident as to what was going on. The Russian
authorities then put a stop to the adoption process.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
http://www.litvaktrip.peggyspage.org/


Latvia SIG #Latvia What country did our ancestors come from? #latvia

Howard Margol
 

I do not know the exact years but sometime between 1850 - 1880, many Jews
in Lithuania developed a scheme to move >from the Pale of Settlement in
Lithuania to Riga, Latvia which was outside the Pale.

The family in Lithuania got a Jew in Riga to adopt them. Once they became
part of the family, they were allowed to move to Riga. This worked for a
number of years until the Russian authorities realized what was going on. When
a 30 year old, in Riga, adopted a 70 year old and his entire family in
Lithuania, it was pretty evident as to what was going on. The Russian
authorities then put a stop to the adoption process.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia
http://www.litvaktrip.peggyspage.org/


Jewish marriages in Paris #galicia

ANNI BERMAN <anni.berman@...>
 

Hello everyone,

My husband's great grandparents, Leah PLESNER/PLYSZNER and Aaron
Nathan BLOOM were married in Paris, France in around 1908 according
to family tradition. Leah came >from Zbaraz (which was in Austria, then
Poland and now the Ukraine) and I cannot find a marriage for them
there. I do not know where Aaron Nathan Bloom came from, except
that he gave his nationality as Russian on the 1911 census, by which
time they were living in London, England. Does anyone have any idea
how I could trace their marriage record? I don't know where to start,
have no idea what part of Paris they are supposed to have married in,
and am not even sure of the truth of the family story. All I do know is
that I can't find a marriage in England for them.

Many thanks,
Anni Berman
Researching BERMAN and PLESNER


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Jewish marriages in Paris #galicia

ANNI BERMAN <anni.berman@...>
 

Hello everyone,

My husband's great grandparents, Leah PLESNER/PLYSZNER and Aaron
Nathan BLOOM were married in Paris, France in around 1908 according
to family tradition. Leah came >from Zbaraz (which was in Austria, then
Poland and now the Ukraine) and I cannot find a marriage for them
there. I do not know where Aaron Nathan Bloom came from, except
that he gave his nationality as Russian on the 1911 census, by which
time they were living in London, England. Does anyone have any idea
how I could trace their marriage record? I don't know where to start,
have no idea what part of Paris they are supposed to have married in,
and am not even sure of the truth of the family story. All I do know is
that I can't find a marriage in England for them.

Many thanks,
Anni Berman
Researching BERMAN and PLESNER


Re: Hessen BOF Gathering in DC #germany

Linda Shefler
 

I have been asked to elaborate on what exactly the Hessen BOF gathering is
about. This will be an informal gathering of those of us with Hessen roots,
giving us an opportunity to meet each other, because for the most part, the
extent of our interactions have been via email.

Some of us have worked extensively together, some have helped each other
regarding specific questions, and I suspect there are those who have
watched the exchanges in the GerSIG digest and not yet gotten involved.

Whatever your level of involvement and whatever your expertise in doing
Hessen research, this will be a great opportunity for us to get together,
get to know each other a bit and hopefully do some brainstorming.

Details have not yet been finalized, but please let me know if you are
interested in joining us. It will be Sunday evening, August 14th, we
will let you know the exact time and place as the time gets closer.

Monica Kingreen (Fritz Bauer Institut & Juedisches Museum) has asked me to
share with you again, for those who are unaware, her incredible website
of the Jewish world that was in Hessen prior to the Holocaust. The site has
about 4000 photographs that Monica collected that were shared by those from
Hessen and their descendants. www.before-the-holocaust.net

Have a lovely weekend. Linda Silverman Shefler, Hod Ha Sharon
Linda.shefler@...


German SIG #Germany RE: Hessen BOF Gathering in DC #germany

Linda Shefler
 

I have been asked to elaborate on what exactly the Hessen BOF gathering is
about. This will be an informal gathering of those of us with Hessen roots,
giving us an opportunity to meet each other, because for the most part, the
extent of our interactions have been via email.

Some of us have worked extensively together, some have helped each other
regarding specific questions, and I suspect there are those who have
watched the exchanges in the GerSIG digest and not yet gotten involved.

Whatever your level of involvement and whatever your expertise in doing
Hessen research, this will be a great opportunity for us to get together,
get to know each other a bit and hopefully do some brainstorming.

Details have not yet been finalized, but please let me know if you are
interested in joining us. It will be Sunday evening, August 14th, we
will let you know the exact time and place as the time gets closer.

Monica Kingreen (Fritz Bauer Institut & Juedisches Museum) has asked me to
share with you again, for those who are unaware, her incredible website
of the Jewish world that was in Hessen prior to the Holocaust. The site has
about 4000 photographs that Monica collected that were shared by those from
Hessen and their descendants. www.before-the-holocaust.net

Have a lovely weekend. Linda Silverman Shefler, Hod Ha Sharon
Linda.shefler@...


Re: Re :Schmieheim cemetery #germany

Micheline GUTMANN
 

Ann Willians asked a question about Aron DREYFUS of Schmieheim

GenAmi has the book of the cemetery since long ago in its library and I am
used to it.
I did not find the grave of Aron DREYFUS there but probably his wife's who
died in 1754, daughter of Isaac of Wintzenheim in Alsace.
A daughter of Aron (Dreyfus?) died in 1725, wife of Isaac DREYFUS son of
Menahem who died himself there in 1722. Best regards to everybody!

Micheline Gutmann, Paris- President of GenAmi web site GenAmi: www.genami.org


German SIG #Germany TR: Re :Schmieheim cemetery #germany

Micheline GUTMANN
 

Ann Willians asked a question about Aron DREYFUS of Schmieheim

GenAmi has the book of the cemetery since long ago in its library and I am
used to it.
I did not find the grave of Aron DREYFUS there but probably his wife's who
died in 1754, daughter of Isaac of Wintzenheim in Alsace.
A daughter of Aron (Dreyfus?) died in 1725, wife of Isaac DREYFUS son of
Menahem who died himself there in 1722. Best regards to everybody!

Micheline Gutmann, Paris- President of GenAmi web site GenAmi: www.genami.org


DISNA DISTRICT 1834 REVISION LIST TRANSLATIONS ALMOST COMPLETE #lithuania

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna District Research Group of Litvaksig is a small research group
with an interest in places, some of which are outside of modern day
Lithuania. We acquire copies of records, translate and database them,
and then distribute the material to our contributors.

The Towns/Shtetls covered by our group include: Bildziugi, Disna, Druya,
Germanovici, Glubokoye, Golubicy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postovy and
Sharkovschina.

Our most recent project has been the 1834 Revision List with the
translations for Sharkovschina and Druya having just been completed. We
still need to work on the translations for Disna, Plisa and Postavy but
we don't have the necessary funds to complete this project.

If you have an interest in any of these towns and would like to help us,
we invite you to join our group. This can be done by sending $100 online
at www.litvaksig.org/contribute

Or alternatively you send your contribution by mail to Eden Joachim,
41 Country Club Lane, Pomona, NY 10970. Please remember, in all cases,
to state that the donation is for the Disna Research Group. This is very
important.

If you are a participant already, we invite you to make an additional
contribution for this very important historical material.

To contact us for more information go to our direct link on the litvaksig
website http:.//www.disna.shutterfly.com/ or contact me at hedakal@...

Josie Barnett
DISNA DISTRICT COORDINATOR


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania DISNA DISTRICT 1834 REVISION LIST TRANSLATIONS ALMOST COMPLETE #lithuania

Josie Barnett
 

The Disna District Research Group of Litvaksig is a small research group
with an interest in places, some of which are outside of modern day
Lithuania. We acquire copies of records, translate and database them,
and then distribute the material to our contributors.

The Towns/Shtetls covered by our group include: Bildziugi, Disna, Druya,
Germanovici, Glubokoye, Golubicy, Leonpol, Luzhek, Plisa, Postovy and
Sharkovschina.

Our most recent project has been the 1834 Revision List with the
translations for Sharkovschina and Druya having just been completed. We
still need to work on the translations for Disna, Plisa and Postavy but
we don't have the necessary funds to complete this project.

If you have an interest in any of these towns and would like to help us,
we invite you to join our group. This can be done by sending $100 online
at www.litvaksig.org/contribute

Or alternatively you send your contribution by mail to Eden Joachim,
41 Country Club Lane, Pomona, NY 10970. Please remember, in all cases,
to state that the donation is for the Disna Research Group. This is very
important.

If you are a participant already, we invite you to make an additional
contribution for this very important historical material.

To contact us for more information go to our direct link on the litvaksig
website http:.//www.disna.shutterfly.com/ or contact me at hedakal@...

Josie Barnett
DISNA DISTRICT COORDINATOR


What country did our ancestors come from? #latvia

naomi ogin
 

I have wondered this as well. My ggm, Rosa Davidovitz
and her siblings were born in Riga. Their parents were
Hatzkel-Jankel (Ezechiel-Jacob) son of
Abram-David Davidowitsch (Davidowitz) in his marriage
record, Davidoff, born around 1845/1846 and passed
away in Riga, 1880, place of origin was Kelme,
Rossien District, Lithuania, and Glika a.k.a Clara, daughter
of Schraiga Faibusch Schapire H'Cohen >from Schaulen (Siauliai)
born c.1852, passed away in the East End of London, 1927.
Their marriage was registered on February 26th, 1871, in Riga.

Interestingly, Rosa's husband, Aaron Rabinovitz
(Raphel Arieh son of Todros Henoch) says he came >from
Dvinsk/Dauvagpils in the 1911 UK Census.The Latvian Archives
could find no record.

I was told that many also came to Riga >from elsewhere because of
the Port. It was easier to get away.

Naomi Ogin ndogin@...
Brisbane
Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,
DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH
HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH
RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE
TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON


Latvia SIG #Latvia What country did our ancestors come from? #latvia

naomi ogin
 

I have wondered this as well. My ggm, Rosa Davidovitz
and her siblings were born in Riga. Their parents were
Hatzkel-Jankel (Ezechiel-Jacob) son of
Abram-David Davidowitsch (Davidowitz) in his marriage
record, Davidoff, born around 1845/1846 and passed
away in Riga, 1880, place of origin was Kelme,
Rossien District, Lithuania, and Glika a.k.a Clara, daughter
of Schraiga Faibusch Schapire H'Cohen >from Schaulen (Siauliai)
born c.1852, passed away in the East End of London, 1927.
Their marriage was registered on February 26th, 1871, in Riga.

Interestingly, Rosa's husband, Aaron Rabinovitz
(Raphel Arieh son of Todros Henoch) says he came >from
Dvinsk/Dauvagpils in the 1911 UK Census.The Latvian Archives
could find no record.

I was told that many also came to Riga >from elsewhere because of
the Port. It was easier to get away.

Naomi Ogin ndogin@...
Brisbane
Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,
DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH
HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH
RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE
TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON