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Re: ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan Lubow >from ? is researching the family of David
ABELES and Eva KUSSY of Bohemia. She writes: I have
come across a number of ABELES family members who
changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly
after WWII. I understand that there are other
(unrelated) ABELES families whose members have made
the same change. It was probably done to sound less
Jewish. Does anyone know why the name AREND was
selected?"

My answer would be why not? Abeles was an archetypal
Jewish name and the butt of many jokes. There are 788
listings of ABELES and variants on Yad Vashem.

If you check on AREND and variants you will find 157
victims - many >from the Netherlands. Were they
originally ABELES? I suspect not. Perhaps they were
variants of Aaron? Perhaps some Bohemian and Moravian
ABELES were also *Aaron* before the Joseph II name
changes?

There is some confirmation of my snap amateur
judgement in this website, but we will no doubt hear
more >from our real name experts:

http://mfp.math.uni-rostock.de/forschung/erf_jose_.htm

...... "we come to great-great-grandson Adolf
HINRICHSEN. Of him, I have a photograph. Adolf married
Sophie nee AARON. Of the people with this very
beautiful and very Jewish surname, many have changed
into the very usual surnames AHRENS, AHRENDT, AHRNDT,
probably 90% of the people with these names originate
from Jewish families named AARON."
The standard reason [in Vienna] for choosing a name
starting with the same letter as the original was that
one could still use the monogrammed handkerchiefs,
table linen, and silverware.

Two well-known Viennese ABELES families, who were
business partners but were unrelated, changed their
names to ARENS [in 1892] and ANNINGER [in 1888].
The ARENS family came >from Reichenau, Bohemia and
the ANNINGER family are descended >from a David
ABELES >from Waltsch [Valec], Bohemia. Waltsch as well
as being famous as the origin of the ABELES/ANNINGER
family of Vienna, is probably more famous for its
fossils and the famous watermouse [Carl Linne 1758].

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2005_1/fejfar8/intro.htm

These ABELES name changes took place at the end of the
19th century. There were obviously many other early
ABELES name changes - see:

http://old.hrad.cz/president/Havel/holocaust/seznam1.html

where AREND and ANNINGER are listed as well as many
ABELES Czech holocaust victims.

NOw to return to the name ABELES and the use of the
name in phrases and jokes. In May 2004, Martin Tompa
of Seattle wrote to us about the phrase *Cafe Abeles*
[please search the Austria-Czech message archives]:

I replied at the time: So when Martin's father called
out "Wo spielen wir, im Cafe Abeles?" [where are we
playing ... in Cafe Abeles?] he was obviously
referring to the chaotic state the card game had
degenerated into. It would be interesting to know if
this was a phrase used by Viennese referring to any
chaotic conditions.

A few months ago I did some research on Viennese cafes
and I did indeed find a cafe in the Mariahilferstrasse
whose proprietors were called ABELES in the early
years of the 20th century. I walked along the street
to find it - but I think it had turned into dingy
digital watch emporium! Could this perhaps have been
the notorious *Tarock Den* where many Viennese Jews
congregated and which gave rise to the now "homeless
phrase"?

There is a 1927 Austrian film {Dir. Hans Steinhoff}
called "Familientag im Hause Prellstein" with the
alternative Title: Cafe Abeles. Although I visited the
Film Museum in Vienna, no one had seen the vintage
film or could tell me where the phrase occurred.

I live in hope that there will be a remake perhaps
entitled "Cafe Arend" or "Cafe Anninger" and we may
get the answer to Martin Tompa's original query - see:

http://tinyurl.com/d7tkn

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Susan Lubow >from ? is researching the family of David
ABELES and Eva KUSSY of Bohemia. She writes: I have
come across a number of ABELES family members who
changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly
after WWII. I understand that there are other
(unrelated) ABELES families whose members have made
the same change. It was probably done to sound less
Jewish. Does anyone know why the name AREND was
selected?"

My answer would be why not? Abeles was an archetypal
Jewish name and the butt of many jokes. There are 788
listings of ABELES and variants on Yad Vashem.

If you check on AREND and variants you will find 157
victims - many >from the Netherlands. Were they
originally ABELES? I suspect not. Perhaps they were
variants of Aaron? Perhaps some Bohemian and Moravian
ABELES were also *Aaron* before the Joseph II name
changes?

There is some confirmation of my snap amateur
judgement in this website, but we will no doubt hear
more >from our real name experts:

http://mfp.math.uni-rostock.de/forschung/erf_jose_.htm

...... "we come to great-great-grandson Adolf
HINRICHSEN. Of him, I have a photograph. Adolf married
Sophie nee AARON. Of the people with this very
beautiful and very Jewish surname, many have changed
into the very usual surnames AHRENS, AHRENDT, AHRNDT,
probably 90% of the people with these names originate
from Jewish families named AARON."
The standard reason [in Vienna] for choosing a name
starting with the same letter as the original was that
one could still use the monogrammed handkerchiefs,
table linen, and silverware.

Two well-known Viennese ABELES families, who were
business partners but were unrelated, changed their
names to ARENS [in 1892] and ANNINGER [in 1888].
The ARENS family came >from Reichenau, Bohemia and
the ANNINGER family are descended >from a David
ABELES >from Waltsch [Valec], Bohemia. Waltsch as well
as being famous as the origin of the ABELES/ANNINGER
family of Vienna, is probably more famous for its
fossils and the famous watermouse [Carl Linne 1758].

http://palaeo-electronica.org/2005_1/fejfar8/intro.htm

These ABELES name changes took place at the end of the
19th century. There were obviously many other early
ABELES name changes - see:

http://old.hrad.cz/president/Havel/holocaust/seznam1.html

where AREND and ANNINGER are listed as well as many
ABELES Czech holocaust victims.

NOw to return to the name ABELES and the use of the
name in phrases and jokes. In May 2004, Martin Tompa
of Seattle wrote to us about the phrase *Cafe Abeles*
[please search the Austria-Czech message archives]:

I replied at the time: So when Martin's father called
out "Wo spielen wir, im Cafe Abeles?" [where are we
playing ... in Cafe Abeles?] he was obviously
referring to the chaotic state the card game had
degenerated into. It would be interesting to know if
this was a phrase used by Viennese referring to any
chaotic conditions.

A few months ago I did some research on Viennese cafes
and I did indeed find a cafe in the Mariahilferstrasse
whose proprietors were called ABELES in the early
years of the 20th century. I walked along the street
to find it - but I think it had turned into dingy
digital watch emporium! Could this perhaps have been
the notorious *Tarock Den* where many Viennese Jews
congregated and which gave rise to the now "homeless
phrase"?

There is a 1927 Austrian film {Dir. Hans Steinhoff}
called "Familientag im Hause Prellstein" with the
alternative Title: Cafe Abeles. Although I visited the
Film Museum in Vienna, no one had seen the vintage
film or could tell me where the phrase occurred.

I live in hope that there will be a remake perhaps
entitled "Cafe Arend" or "Cafe Anninger" and we may
get the answer to Martin Tompa's original query - see:

http://tinyurl.com/d7tkn

Celia Male [U.K.]

Re: ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

Hello,

Some members of my ABELES family changed their last
name to ABEL.

However, AREND is a form of the Biblical name Aaron.

Check the following URL

http://www.ancestry.com/search/SurnamePage.aspx?html=b&ln=Abeles

The name ABELES may have originated >from Abraham.

Anyway, my guess is that AREND is after some Aaron in
your family...

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA.
Researching: HERRMANN, LOEBL, ABELES, ROBITSCHEK,
MAHLER, REIN, STRANSKY >from Bohemia (Saaz/Zatec +
Prague area). REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN, RAIZMAN from
Poland (Siedlce).

Subject: ABELES/AREND
From: HOLIJOLI@...
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:53:37 EDT
In researching the family of David ABELES and Eva
KUSSY of Bohemia
(Czechoslovakia) I have come across a number of
Abeles family members
who changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly
after WWII.
I understand that there are other (unrelated) Abeles
families whose
members have made the same change. It was probably
done to sound less Jewish.
Does anyone know why the name Arend was selected?

Susan Lubow

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ABELES/AREND #austria-czech

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

Hello,

Some members of my ABELES family changed their last
name to ABEL.

However, AREND is a form of the Biblical name Aaron.

Check the following URL

http://www.ancestry.com/search/SurnamePage.aspx?html=b&ln=Abeles

The name ABELES may have originated >from Abraham.

Anyway, my guess is that AREND is after some Aaron in
your family...

Ron Herrmann, Bedminster, NJ, USA.
Researching: HERRMANN, LOEBL, ABELES, ROBITSCHEK,
MAHLER, REIN, STRANSKY >from Bohemia (Saaz/Zatec +
Prague area). REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN, RAIZMAN from
Poland (Siedlce).

Subject: ABELES/AREND
From: HOLIJOLI@...
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:53:37 EDT
In researching the family of David ABELES and Eva
KUSSY of Bohemia
(Czechoslovakia) I have come across a number of
Abeles family members
who changed their surname to AREND, probably shortly
after WWII.
I understand that there are other (unrelated) Abeles
families whose
members have made the same change. It was probably
done to sound less Jewish.
Does anyone know why the name Arend was selected?

Susan Lubow

NY Pictures on Viewmate #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have posted four snapshots on Viewmate dating >from the period
1910-1920 and taken in New York, perhaps in Harlem. These were in my
uncle's album and are of unknown people, perhaps some of my father's
many Silverstein cousins or family friends.

These are VM 6518, 6519, 6520, 6521.

If anyone appears familiar please reply to me directly at
paulh@... and not to the List.

Location is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6518
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6519
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6520
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6521

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Paul Silverstone
New York

www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to: paulh@...

I did not write the below about the Bar Kochva coins #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I did not write the below.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA

In article < e2.17d4f8a9.30101806@... >, < MBernet@... > wrote:

In a message dated 7/20/2005 2:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@... writes:
==I find that fascinating. I assume the "35" should have read "135," the
start of Bar Kochba's revolt. What's especially interesting is that Jewish
coins at that time were generally not dated, except only a few Bar Kochba coins
dated as "in the year x of the Freedom of Israel." I wonder, though, would Bar
Kochba have inscribed these "American" coins (as we would now), as
so-and-so-many years since the beginning of the world, or would he have dated
them >from the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple?
The "modern" Jewish Anno Mundi was certainly not used back then. The most
common system would be the Seleucid Era, whose year 1 was 312 BCE.

Robert Israel
israel@...
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY Pictures on Viewmate #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have posted four snapshots on Viewmate dating >from the period
1910-1920 and taken in New York, perhaps in Harlem. These were in my
uncle's album and are of unknown people, perhaps some of my father's
many Silverstein cousins or family friends.

These are VM 6518, 6519, 6520, 6521.

If anyone appears familiar please reply to me directly at
paulh@... and not to the List.

Location is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6518
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6519
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6520
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6521

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Paul Silverstone
New York

www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to: paulh@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen I did not write the below about the Bar Kochva coins #general

Yisrael Asper
 

I did not write the below.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA

In article < e2.17d4f8a9.30101806@... >, < MBernet@... > wrote:

In a message dated 7/20/2005 2:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yisraelasper@... writes:
==I find that fascinating. I assume the "35" should have read "135," the
start of Bar Kochba's revolt. What's especially interesting is that Jewish
coins at that time were generally not dated, except only a few Bar Kochba coins
dated as "in the year x of the Freedom of Israel." I wonder, though, would Bar
Kochba have inscribed these "American" coins (as we would now), as
so-and-so-many years since the beginning of the world, or would he have dated
them >from the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple?
The "modern" Jewish Anno Mundi was certainly not used back then. The most
common system would be the Seleucid Era, whose year 1 was 312 BCE.

Robert Israel
israel@...
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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quotes correctly.

Viewmate: World War I Draft Registration town identification help #general

Jeff Miller
 

I would appreciate help with the the identification of the town in item 5 on
the World War I draft registration record for Nathan BORSUK, believed to be
from Poland.
It can be seen on Jewishgen Viewmate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6532

Please respond directly to me at SingingTM@...
Jeff Miller
Maryland
Researching: LAN, IUDELOVICH, WIENER >from Panevezys (Ponivez), Seta,
Vilijampole, Lithuania
Researching WEISSMAN, BLANKFORT, WHITEMAN >from Sirvintos Lithuania, Canada,
United Kingdom
Researching: BORSUK, MLYNARZ, SPIVACK, BRZEZINSKI >from Poland

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate: World War I Draft Registration town identification help #general

Jeff Miller
 

I would appreciate help with the the identification of the town in item 5 on
the World War I draft registration record for Nathan BORSUK, believed to be
from Poland.
It can be seen on Jewishgen Viewmate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6532

Please respond directly to me at SingingTM@...
Jeff Miller
Maryland
Researching: LAN, IUDELOVICH, WIENER >from Panevezys (Ponivez), Seta,
Vilijampole, Lithuania
Researching WEISSMAN, BLANKFORT, WHITEMAN >from Sirvintos Lithuania, Canada,
United Kingdom
Researching: BORSUK, MLYNARZ, SPIVACK, BRZEZINSKI >from Poland

Re: Jewish or English? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:40:09 UTC, hekenvin@... opined:

This message was posted on jewishgen:

"Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had been their for a couple of
centuries or not.....If they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have been
considered English or Jewish, as far as records were concerned or as far as their
descendents were concerned?"

The emigres would be considered English people of the Jewish faith.

Judaism is a religion. Some would say it is a culture or a way of life; but it
is not a nationality.
That may be too rigid a statement. Until recently, Israeli ID
documents carried rubrics for both religion and nationality, so
"Jewish by nationality" is not inherenly wrong. The latter, for Jews,
was "Yehudit", "Jewish". The Western concept of "religion" does not
encompass all of Judaism. For Arabs, religion was "Muslim" or
"Christian" (the latter further divided by confession), and the
nationality was "Arab". The two clsasifications are not congruent.

The Soviet sin was not in defining jewish nationality (they did the
same with respect to each and every one of the many minorities (and
major groups as well) in the Soviet Union. It was in making use of the
definition for imposing civil disabilities upon Soviet citizens of
Jewish nationality.

I would wager that Jews arriving in the colonies >from Britain in the
eighteenth century would have been considered as Englishmen or Jews
depending upon both the Jew in question and the observing colonist.
But if the timeframe of the question is before American independence,
there is no question that a British subject remained a British subject
upon migration >from England to America.

"Nationality" means something rather different in the US, where it is
understood to mean citizenship and nothing more. That isn't true in
most other parts.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:40:09 UTC, hekenvin@... opined:

This message was posted on jewishgen:

"Tell me, would the Jews in England, whether they had been their for a couple of
centuries or not.....If they came to America, say in 1700's, would they have been
considered English or Jewish, as far as records were concerned or as far as their
descendents were concerned?"

The emigres would be considered English people of the Jewish faith.

Judaism is a religion. Some would say it is a culture or a way of life; but it
is not a nationality.
That may be too rigid a statement. Until recently, Israeli ID
documents carried rubrics for both religion and nationality, so
"Jewish by nationality" is not inherenly wrong. The latter, for Jews,
was "Yehudit", "Jewish". The Western concept of "religion" does not
encompass all of Judaism. For Arabs, religion was "Muslim" or
"Christian" (the latter further divided by confession), and the
nationality was "Arab". The two clsasifications are not congruent.

The Soviet sin was not in defining jewish nationality (they did the
same with respect to each and every one of the many minorities (and
major groups as well) in the Soviet Union. It was in making use of the
definition for imposing civil disabilities upon Soviet citizens of
Jewish nationality.

I would wager that Jews arriving in the colonies >from Britain in the
eighteenth century would have been considered as Englishmen or Jews
depending upon both the Jew in question and the observing colonist.
But if the timeframe of the question is before American independence,
there is no question that a British subject remained a British subject
upon migration >from England to America.

"Nationality" means something rather different in the US, where it is
understood to mean citizenship and nothing more. That isn't true in
most other parts.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
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not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
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Re: Alex Calzareth and the Aufbau project #germany

ralphnbaer@...
 

I add that last year as a college Junior, Alex spent at least one semester
studying in Germany. I received one message >from him with gravestone photos of
stones for people of mutual interest >from the Wiesloch (Baden) cemetery.

I don't think that I received a reply to a subsequent message.

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ralphnbaer@...

German SIG #Germany Re: Alex Calzareth and the Aufbau project #germany

ralphnbaer@...
 

I add that last year as a college Junior, Alex spent at least one semester
studying in Germany. I received one message >from him with gravestone photos of
stones for people of mutual interest >from the Wiesloch (Baden) cemetery.

I don't think that I received a reply to a subsequent message.

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ralphnbaer@...

1926-7 Polish Business Directory-Versus the 1929 Polish B.D. #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe that Logan Kleinwachs should be
congratulated for the tremendous effort by making this
directory available to us.
Though smaller than the 1929 Polish Business Directory
it enables an interesting comparison of the businesses
in every location in a matter of 3 years.
I myself research the KOENIGSBUCH family >from Brzesko
(image 209 in the Directory) and managed to locate
Koenigsbuchs in the 1926 version who were not there
anymore in 1929 and vice versa. Now I have the
questions which will lead me hopefully to some answers.

Jacob Rosen Jerusalem <abuwasta@...>

German SIG #Germany 1926-7 Polish Business Directory-Versus the 1929 Polish B.D. #germany

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I believe that Logan Kleinwachs should be
congratulated for the tremendous effort by making this
directory available to us.
Though smaller than the 1929 Polish Business Directory
it enables an interesting comparison of the businesses
in every location in a matter of 3 years.
I myself research the KOENIGSBUCH family >from Brzesko
(image 209 in the Directory) and managed to locate
Koenigsbuchs in the 1926 version who were not there
anymore in 1929 and vice versa. Now I have the
questions which will lead me hopefully to some answers.

Jacob Rosen Jerusalem <abuwasta@...>

Seeking Lost KRG Members #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

The following Kolomea Research Group members' email addresses have
failed. If they or anyone who knows them ask them to contact me with
their current email addresses. They will not be receiving Group
notices unless their email addresses are brought up to date.
RICK BORTEN, HOWARD FISHMAN, PHILIP BITTMANN

Thank you,
Alan Weiser. Coordinator
Koloea Research Group & Web Site
alanboy@...
Silver Spring

Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Seeking Lost KRG Members #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

The following Kolomea Research Group members' email addresses have
failed. If they or anyone who knows them ask them to contact me with
their current email addresses. They will not be receiving Group
notices unless their email addresses are brought up to date.
RICK BORTEN, HOWARD FISHMAN, PHILIP BITTMANN

Thank you,
Alan Weiser. Coordinator
Koloea Research Group & Web Site
alanboy@...
Silver Spring

LISCHAUER / LEWIS #southafrica

Avi Lishower <lishower@...>
 

Dear friend
recently i get a update that one family member >from my Lischauer family
arrived to south Africa
in about 1890-1905 >from Libau Latvia he was the son of Itiig Yossel
Lischauer in the same time
2 sibling arrive to the U.S.A yankel-moses Lischauer and Lina Miller nee
Lischauer was married to David Miler
and one brother emigrated to Canada the sibling came to the U.S.A change
their surname to LEWIS and possible also the brother
who came to S.A do the same
if somebody know Jewish people with the surname mention above in S.A THE
S.A please let me know

best regard

Avi Lishower

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica LISCHAUER / LEWIS #southafrica

Avi Lishower <lishower@...>
 

Dear friend
recently i get a update that one family member >from my Lischauer family
arrived to south Africa
in about 1890-1905 >from Libau Latvia he was the son of Itiig Yossel
Lischauer in the same time
2 sibling arrive to the U.S.A yankel-moses Lischauer and Lina Miller nee
Lischauer was married to David Miler
and one brother emigrated to Canada the sibling came to the U.S.A change
their surname to LEWIS and possible also the brother
who came to S.A do the same
if somebody know Jewish people with the surname mention above in S.A THE
S.A please let me know

best regard

Avi Lishower