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Re: JRI-Poland introduces new tool to graphically follow families in the records of Poland #poland

Stephen Weinstein
 

I am sure this will be a fun tool, and useful for some purposes,
but be careful not to misinterpret the results.

The tool shows when the surname first appears in JRI-Poland
records in a town, not when the surname first appeared in the
town. For many towns, JRI-Poland does not have records >from
the early 1800s and its coverage starts later.

So you may really be seeing how JRI-Poland's coverage spread
to more of the towns where the family was already living, not
seeing when the family first moved there.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com
Camarillo, California, USA

Stanley Diamond wrote:

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland today announced the "Surname
Distribution Mapper" - a tool designed to help genealogy
researchers graphically understand where their family names first
appeared in the 19th century records and visualize how the family
spread throughout Poland by decades >from the early 1800s into the
first part of the 20th century....


Re: "Freblowka" and "ochronka". #poland

Henryk Gruder <henrygruder@...>
 

With all due respect: As explain in a personal e-mail "ochronka" did not
mean kindergarten, but orphanage. My mother in law was educated in
"ochronka" of the name of Jozef Pilsudski in Lvov.

Henryk Gruder

-----Original Message-----

Subject: SV: Need help with translation of two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: "Jurek Hirschberg" <jurek.hirschberg@hirschberg.se>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:12:52 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1
"Ochronka" is the Polish for a kindergarten. Same with "freblowka" - a
kindergarten organized according to the theories of the German educator
Friedrich Frobel. Both terms are archaic. The Russian "okhrana", the
security police, and the Polish "ochronka", are derived >from the same root
that is associated with protection.

Jurek Hirschberg
Stockholm, Sweden
jurek.hirschberg@hirschberg.se

Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER, KITAJ, AWNER, OCHSENHORN, SAPHIR, FELDHORN
Podwoloczyska: HIRSCHBERG, PERLMUTTER, FELDHORN
Zborow: GOLIGER, PERLMUTTER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER

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Subject: Need help with translation of two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: Howard Orenstein <horenstein@mcdaniel.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:55:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

from the Serock Yizkor Book chapter on The Modern Kheder (Jewish School)
" ... For younger children, >from the "Prebluvke" or the "Okhranke"
(department in Czarist Russian secret police) girls, a young, engaged woman
was hired. Each child had a small blackboard with a piece of chalk to
write, and each received a cup of cocoa and a roll each day.

When the children went for a walk with their teacher, they were all dressed
in blue and white aprons with white and blue braided hats made >from crepe
paper, since there was no money for material and there were no subsidies in
those days for schools or for - Prebluvkes. The school existed >from tuition
that was paid, and not all parents had the possibility to make uniforms for
their children for the Prebluvke."

Can you help translate P(F)rebluvke and Okhranke?

P(F)rebluvke: fey or pey, reysh, ayin, beys, lamed, melupm vov, tsvey vovn,
kuf, ayin
Okhranke: komets alef, khof, reysh, komets alef, nun, kuf, ayin

Thanks,

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK,
OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland;
London, England


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Subject: Re: Two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: ww <lipi@o2.pl>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:16:41 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Howard,

both of theses words are obsolete Polish terms for a kindergarten. One
is "ochronka", which usually denoted a kindergarten ran by a religious
institution, and the other is "freblowka", denoting a more modern and
lay approach (after F. Frobl, a German pedagogue).

Best regards,
Witold Wrzosinski
avanim.pl


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: JRI-Poland introduces new tool to graphically follow families in the records of Poland #galicia

Stephen Weinstein
 

I am sure this will be a fun tool, and useful for some purposes,
but be careful not to misinterpret the results.

The tool shows when the surname first appears in JRI-Poland
records in a town, not when the surname first appeared in the
town. For many towns, JRI-Poland does not have records >from
the early 1800s and its coverage starts later.

So you may really be seeing how JRI-Poland's coverage spread
to more of the towns where the family was already living, not
seeing when the family first moved there.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com
Camarillo, California, USA

Stanley Diamond wrote:

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland today announced the "Surname
Distribution Mapper" - a tool designed to help genealogy
researchers graphically understand where their family names first
appeared in the 19th century records and visualize how the family
spread throughout Poland by decades >from the early 1800s into the
first part of the 20th century....


JRI Poland #Poland Re: "Freblowka" and "ochronka". #poland

Henryk Gruder <henrygruder@...>
 

With all due respect: As explain in a personal e-mail "ochronka" did not
mean kindergarten, but orphanage. My mother in law was educated in
"ochronka" of the name of Jozef Pilsudski in Lvov.

Henryk Gruder

-----Original Message-----

Subject: SV: Need help with translation of two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: "Jurek Hirschberg" <jurek.hirschberg@hirschberg.se>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:12:52 +0100
X-Message-Number: 1
"Ochronka" is the Polish for a kindergarten. Same with "freblowka" - a
kindergarten organized according to the theories of the German educator
Friedrich Frobel. Both terms are archaic. The Russian "okhrana", the
security police, and the Polish "ochronka", are derived >from the same root
that is associated with protection.

Jurek Hirschberg
Stockholm, Sweden
jurek.hirschberg@hirschberg.se

Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER, KITAJ, AWNER, OCHSENHORN, SAPHIR, FELDHORN
Podwoloczyska: HIRSCHBERG, PERLMUTTER, FELDHORN
Zborow: GOLIGER, PERLMUTTER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Need help with translation of two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: Howard Orenstein <horenstein@mcdaniel.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:55:09 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

from the Serock Yizkor Book chapter on The Modern Kheder (Jewish School)
" ... For younger children, >from the "Prebluvke" or the "Okhranke"
(department in Czarist Russian secret police) girls, a young, engaged woman
was hired. Each child had a small blackboard with a piece of chalk to
write, and each received a cup of cocoa and a roll each day.

When the children went for a walk with their teacher, they were all dressed
in blue and white aprons with white and blue braided hats made >from crepe
paper, since there was no money for material and there were no subsidies in
those days for schools or for - Prebluvkes. The school existed >from tuition
that was paid, and not all parents had the possibility to make uniforms for
their children for the Prebluvke."

Can you help translate P(F)rebluvke and Okhranke?

P(F)rebluvke: fey or pey, reysh, ayin, beys, lamed, melupm vov, tsvey vovn,
kuf, ayin
Okhranke: komets alef, khof, reysh, komets alef, nun, kuf, ayin

Thanks,

Howard Orenstein, Ph.D.
Westminster,MD
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu

Explore Your Jewish Heritage in Wyszkow,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHWyszkow3.html
Jewish Heritage in Serock,Poland:
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/JHSerock3/Welcome.html
Searching for:
ORENSTEIN -- Serock, Wyszkow, Pultusk, Poland HOLLAND (GOLAND), PIENIEK,
OSTROWIAK -- Serock, Wyszkow, Poland BLUM (BLOOM) -- Wyszkow, Poland;
London, England


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Two words, Serock Yizkor Book
From: ww <lipi@o2.pl>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:16:41 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Howard,

both of theses words are obsolete Polish terms for a kindergarten. One
is "ochronka", which usually denoted a kindergarten ran by a religious
institution, and the other is "freblowka", denoting a more modern and
lay approach (after F. Frobl, a German pedagogue).

Best regards,
Witold Wrzosinski
avanim.pl


Rashkofsky family #romania

ariellesax@...
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to find information on my great grandmother, Fannie (Fanya,
Faiga) Rashkofsky Finkelstein. She was born in 1891. The only information I had
from my grandmother was that Fannie was born in Romania. She married Leo
Finkelstein >from Kiev, Ukraine and they made their way to St. Louis, Mo
via Canada in 1914 with their 2 daughters, Pesse (Pauline) and Taube
(Thelma). Fannie's father was Moshe Rashkovsky and her mother was
Shandel Seltzerman. Does anyone have relatives by these names or know of
a way that I can figure out what town she came from?

Thanks,

Arielle Orenstein Sax
South Bend, In

researching RASHKOFSKY, SELTZERMAN, ROMANIA
ORENSTEIN/HOREN/GORENSTEIN, ZASLAV,VOLYN, UKRAINE
FINKELSTEIN, KIEV, UKRAINE


Romania SIG #Romania Rashkofsky family #romania

ariellesax@...
 

Dear Genners,

I am trying to find information on my great grandmother, Fannie (Fanya,
Faiga) Rashkofsky Finkelstein. She was born in 1891. The only information I had
from my grandmother was that Fannie was born in Romania. She married Leo
Finkelstein >from Kiev, Ukraine and they made their way to St. Louis, Mo
via Canada in 1914 with their 2 daughters, Pesse (Pauline) and Taube
(Thelma). Fannie's father was Moshe Rashkovsky and her mother was
Shandel Seltzerman. Does anyone have relatives by these names or know of
a way that I can figure out what town she came from?

Thanks,

Arielle Orenstein Sax
South Bend, In

researching RASHKOFSKY, SELTZERMAN, ROMANIA
ORENSTEIN/HOREN/GORENSTEIN, ZASLAV,VOLYN, UKRAINE
FINKELSTEIN, KIEV, UKRAINE


Mexico, Brazil, Puerto Rico and Spain and Potential Jewish Genealogy Society #sephardic

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I am writing wearing my VP of IAJGS "hat". One of the responsibilities of
the IAJGS Membership Development Committee is to look at areas with
significant Jewish populations that do not currently have Jewish Genealogy
Societies.

The country of Mexico is one area that has a substantial Jewish
population (Wikipedia reports the number of Jews in Mexico at over 68,000,
and over 20,000 in Mexico City alone) but no where in the country are we
aware of any Jewish genealogy society.

Wikipedia reports in that in 2007 the country of Brazil had a Jewish
population about 196,000 in 2007.The two largest populations are in São
Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. The previous Jewish Genealogical society appears
to be defunct as the leader died and no one took over the society.

We understand there may be a society in Puerto Rico but have not found
anyone to contact.

It is our understanding that there may be society in Barcelona, but at one
time there was no one to take
on the leadership roles

If anyone is aware of Jewish genealogists in Brazil, Mexico, Puerto Rico of
Spain-or organizations that
exist that might be interested in sponsoring a society it would be
appreciated if you shared their information with me.

If any of this SIGs readers located in Central or South America are aware of
other countries that do not have a society and believe there is interest in
starting a society please also contact me.

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Agoura Hills, CA, USA


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Mexico, Brazil, Puerto Rico and Spain and Potential Jewish Genealogy Society #sephardic

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I am writing wearing my VP of IAJGS "hat". One of the responsibilities of
the IAJGS Membership Development Committee is to look at areas with
significant Jewish populations that do not currently have Jewish Genealogy
Societies.

The country of Mexico is one area that has a substantial Jewish
population (Wikipedia reports the number of Jews in Mexico at over 68,000,
and over 20,000 in Mexico City alone) but no where in the country are we
aware of any Jewish genealogy society.

Wikipedia reports in that in 2007 the country of Brazil had a Jewish
population about 196,000 in 2007.The two largest populations are in São
Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. The previous Jewish Genealogical society appears
to be defunct as the leader died and no one took over the society.

We understand there may be a society in Puerto Rico but have not found
anyone to contact.

It is our understanding that there may be society in Barcelona, but at one
time there was no one to take
on the leadership roles

If anyone is aware of Jewish genealogists in Brazil, Mexico, Puerto Rico of
Spain-or organizations that
exist that might be interested in sponsoring a society it would be
appreciated if you shared their information with me.

If any of this SIGs readers located in Central or South America are aware of
other countries that do not have a society and believe there is interest in
starting a society please also contact me.

Thank you

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Agoura Hills, CA, USA


32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #usa

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

** REGISTER NOW : You have A FEW DAYS LEFT to enjoy the EARLYBIRD
REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
enjoy the very competitive conference rates we got for you with the code
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and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
gilbert@joubert-voyages.com

**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
"2012 Paris Conference"
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---THE SIGs and BOFs---

**27 SIGs and BOFs will be present. 9 will have a lunch, 2 a breakfast. The
list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee www.paris2012.eu -- contact@paris2012.eu


Early American SIG #USA 32nd IAJGS Conference 5th Newsletter #usa

Congrès Paris 2012 Généaloj
 

Dear friends,

The organizing team of Paris 2012 IAJGS International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy is glad to send you this fifth newsletter.

---GALA---

***Tuesday July 17 at 7:00 pm***

FATHER PATRICK DESBOIS, president of Yahad-in Unum (Holocaust by bullets)
will be our Guest. *Register Now* !

---NEW---

** Sign for the SIG BREAKFASTS (19 euros) or LUNCHES (29 euros). You can also sign
for LUNCHES ONLY (without SIG registration : 25 euros). All meals will be
KOSHER.

** Joubert-voyage may organize your TRANSFER AIRPORT/HOTEL/AIRPORT: send
your flight numbers and the dates and times of arrival and departure to
celine@joubert-voyages.com

** The FILM PROGRAM is available on
http://www.paris2012.eu/events?sort_by=event_type#event_type_6

---RECALL---

** REGISTER NOW : You have A FEW DAYS LEFT to enjoy the EARLYBIRD
REGISTRATION RATES for the conference at: http://www.paris2012.eu/products.

** BOOK YOUR ROOM AT THE MARRIOTT PARIS RIVE-GAUCHE: click on "Hotel", and
enjoy the very competitive conference rates we got for you with the code
zx4zx4a. If you want to stay longer, this rate is valid for 5 days before
and five days after the Conference.

** There are still rooms left if you want to sign up for GUIDED TOURS in
PARIS (select "Registration")

** Do not forget to look at our proposals for TRIPS BEFORE or AFTER the
Conference at http://www.joubert-voyages.com/cercle-genealogie-juive.php

** You can also benefit >from REDUCED RATES for AIR or RAIL by contacting
gilbert@joubert-voyages.com

**You can Question us on JewishGen: subscribe to the mailing list bilingual
"2012 Paris Conference"
http://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager/members_add.asp

---THE SIGs and BOFs---

**27 SIGs and BOFs will be present. 9 will have a lunch, 2 a breakfast. The
list and the schedule is available on http://www.paris2012.eu/events

See you soon Paris,

The Committee www.paris2012.eu -- contact@paris2012.eu


Dorothy Hirsh, Longboat Key and Atlanta #general

Kim Sheintal
 

An archivist at Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia is researching a
Mrs. Dorothy HIRSH (died 2002) who was a resident of Longboat Key (Florida)
and founder of Temple Beth Israel on Longboat Key. The archivist is
specifically looking to discover Dorothy's connection to their hospital or
Atlanta. I am helping her with this research and need to find someone who has
information about Dorothy Hirsh. When I do find someone with information, I
will forward this information to the archivist in Atlanta.

Kim Sheintal
President of the JGS of SW FL
klapshein@aol.com


Looking for BERKOWITZ/BERCOWITZ connection and KLEPPER/HAIMOWITZ/SIEGEL/LOBEL and SCHEINDELMAN/SCHINDELMAN/SCHENDELMAN family #romania

jdktfam@...
 

Greetings Genners,

The link to viewmate in my recent post came through incorrectly.
Please see post that came through on March 17th (US date) for many
family details. This is the complete viewmate link:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22030

There is also another related family that I am researching and failed
to include. Once again, the information is gathered from
Ancestry.com, Italiangen.org and Jewishgen.org searches of censuses,
passenger lists, the JOWBR and vital records.

Aaron Scheindelman emigrated >from Iasi as a widower. His wife was
Feige Klepper/Clapper and her burial in Iasi is included in the JOWBR
records. We believe that Feige is the sister of Herschel Klepper of
my previous post. They had two children known to have emigrated from
Iasi around 1900-1905: a son Zeilig (aka Jacob) married Rebecca
Segel/Segal(?) and daughter Jennie who married Nathan Schwartz from
Russia. I located one (maybe two) others that died as children in
the JOWBR records. It is reasonable to believe that there could be
more siblings that we are not aware of. There is a gap in births
between 1885 and 1890.

Zeilig had children Harry/Henry married Mae Nisonoff, Joseph/Joe
married Freda Gold, Fannie married Sam Haimowitz, Anna married Harry
Nathan and Hyman married Sarah Sternbach. Surnames have been spelled
Schendelman and Schindelman. I am working with some of their
descendants on this part of my tree.

Jennie had children Julius, Jacob, George and Esther that I know of so
far >from the 1910 and 1920 censuses. I have no other specific
information on this line. Schindelman descendants do remember some of
these children though.

Once again, if you have any info that could tie the BERKOWITZs to my
family or any info regarding any of these families OR can identify
anyone else in
the picture, I would truly welcome hearing >from you. You can respond
to me directly or on the viewmate form. Thanks again for your
indulgence!

All the best to you and yours,

Judi D Temple
Pembroke Pines, FL
jdktfam@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dorothy Hirsh, Longboat Key and Atlanta #general

Kim Sheintal
 

An archivist at Piedmont Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia is researching a
Mrs. Dorothy HIRSH (died 2002) who was a resident of Longboat Key (Florida)
and founder of Temple Beth Israel on Longboat Key. The archivist is
specifically looking to discover Dorothy's connection to their hospital or
Atlanta. I am helping her with this research and need to find someone who has
information about Dorothy Hirsh. When I do find someone with information, I
will forward this information to the archivist in Atlanta.

Kim Sheintal
President of the JGS of SW FL
klapshein@aol.com


Romania SIG #Romania Looking for BERKOWITZ/BERCOWITZ connection and KLEPPER/HAIMOWITZ/SIEGEL/LOBEL and SCHEINDELMAN/SCHINDELMAN/SCHENDELMAN family #romania

jdktfam@...
 

Greetings Genners,

The link to viewmate in my recent post came through incorrectly.
Please see post that came through on March 17th (US date) for many
family details. This is the complete viewmate link:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22030

There is also another related family that I am researching and failed
to include. Once again, the information is gathered from
Ancestry.com, Italiangen.org and Jewishgen.org searches of censuses,
passenger lists, the JOWBR and vital records.

Aaron Scheindelman emigrated >from Iasi as a widower. His wife was
Feige Klepper/Clapper and her burial in Iasi is included in the JOWBR
records. We believe that Feige is the sister of Herschel Klepper of
my previous post. They had two children known to have emigrated from
Iasi around 1900-1905: a son Zeilig (aka Jacob) married Rebecca
Segel/Segal(?) and daughter Jennie who married Nathan Schwartz from
Russia. I located one (maybe two) others that died as children in
the JOWBR records. It is reasonable to believe that there could be
more siblings that we are not aware of. There is a gap in births
between 1885 and 1890.

Zeilig had children Harry/Henry married Mae Nisonoff, Joseph/Joe
married Freda Gold, Fannie married Sam Haimowitz, Anna married Harry
Nathan and Hyman married Sarah Sternbach. Surnames have been spelled
Schendelman and Schindelman. I am working with some of their
descendants on this part of my tree.

Jennie had children Julius, Jacob, George and Esther that I know of so
far >from the 1910 and 1920 censuses. I have no other specific
information on this line. Schindelman descendants do remember some of
these children though.

Once again, if you have any info that could tie the BERKOWITZs to my
family or any info regarding any of these families OR can identify
anyone else in
the picture, I would truly welcome hearing >from you. You can respond
to me directly or on the viewmate form. Thanks again for your
indulgence!

All the best to you and yours,

Judi D Temple
Pembroke Pines, FL
jdktfam@gmail.com


Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


Re: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question over name after divorce/annulment #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

Miriam asked:

"If a (Jewish) woman in a small shtetl in 19th century Poland was
divorced or had her marriage annulled only a short time time after the
initial marriage (there were no children), would the custom have been
for her to continue using her married name or would she go back to
using her maiden name?"

If divorced, a woman could probably keep her married name or revert to
her maiden one-- but consider that in the 19th century if the marriage
took place in a shtetl in Galicia, and the marriage ceremony was only
a religious and not civil one (the usual case during that time period)
then the woman might never have legally taken the man's surname to
begin with -- since the marriage was not recognized by the State --
and would still have been known by her maiden name. Even if they had
children, the children would also carry the mother's name and not the
father's. If there was a divorce in those cases all the names would
stay the same in the eyes of the government, although the children
might decide to adopt the father's name in later years. If the
marriage was annulled -- different >from a divorce in that the marriage
is considered to never have taken place -- then the woman would keep
or revert back to her maiden name because she was not considered ever
married.

Pamela Weisberger
pweisberger@gmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Do you ever leave someone off your tree? #general

Joan S. Gross
 

I have never knowingly left someone off a family tree or out of a family
history. That is like telling a lie. Maybe I can be this cavalier about
the subject because only my children and a few very close cousins have a
copy. Also, I don't know of any 'bad' stories but, who knows, there may
have been. For years (and generations) no family member knew that one of
our relatives took her own life in the early 1920's. I revealed the story
because it was very interesting and would not likely upset of her
distantly-related survivors who do not live in the USA. I feel strongly
that all facts and figures and bubbemeinsas that you've gathered should go
into a family's history/genealogy report. If the tale is not on public
record, you should still let the existing family in on their history.

Joan S. Gross

From: "Debby Painter" <gincig@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:18 PM

I agree that we are products of our family no matter the circumstances of
these relationships. There will always be people or situations that families
are not too proud of "acknowledging" but they are family nevertheless...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Researching a family business? #general

Campbell, Karen (Perkins Coie) <KCampbell@...>
 

If anyone has any knowledge on this topic, please share it with either the
list or please add me to your reply to Allan. I've been trying to research
a family business in Philadelphia, PA.

Thank you,

Karen Campbell, Bellevue, WA

From: Aejordan@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:23 AM
Anyone have any experience / tips on researching the history of a family
business?..

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