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Re: Naturalization documents #general

A. E. Jordan
 

BDrake@... writes:
Allen said that the naturalization documents don't have a lot of information, and
don't have place of origin.
Thanks for the kind words but let me clarify. Depends on the year.
Naturalizations >from the 1890s which is the time frame Bruce is talking about
rarely have lots of details. My comment to Bruce was you can never be sure till
you look but all the 1890s naturalizations I have seen are vague in content
rarely being specific on a place of birth, date of birth, parents' names, arrival
details, etc. Generally they only have statements renouncing the Tzar or Russia
or the Emperor of Germany or such and not specific cities of birth.

However in the 20th century this changed because the Federal Government
standardized the forms and asked all these questions. They also started requiring
authentication of the arrival details and checks of the passenger lists happened.
So the more current documents are more detailed than the early ones.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization documents #general

A. E. Jordan
 

BDrake@... writes:
Allen said that the naturalization documents don't have a lot of information, and
don't have place of origin.
Thanks for the kind words but let me clarify. Depends on the year.
Naturalizations >from the 1890s which is the time frame Bruce is talking about
rarely have lots of details. My comment to Bruce was you can never be sure till
you look but all the 1890s naturalizations I have seen are vague in content
rarely being specific on a place of birth, date of birth, parents' names, arrival
details, etc. Generally they only have statements renouncing the Tzar or Russia
or the Emperor of Germany or such and not specific cities of birth.

However in the 20th century this changed because the Federal Government
standardized the forms and asked all these questions. They also started requiring
authentication of the arrival details and checks of the passenger lists happened.
So the more current documents are more detailed than the early ones.

Allan Jordan


Re: Suggestion when you can't determine original family surname #general

Steven Cooper <s.cooper@...>
 

I could not agree more.

I have solved many surname issues by finding siblings of my target. This is helpful
where the name is changed, spelled wrong or simply illegible. One find I had was
trying to decipher what looked like "shoemakov". My English illiterate GGfather
had simply had someone spell it more less phonetically...the real name, I finally
discovered through a sibling record, of his was "Shuchmacher"...lol. Still makes
me laugh

In US archives, I have found marriage certificates of siblings (especially where
naturalization records don't exist or can't be found) are a wonderful source of
proper maternal surnames. People had so many kids back then, you are bound to find
one with a legible, mostly accurate spelling.

As an aside, I research on the basis that some of the best information is found
with the most distant of relations. This has been my experience. Interrogate
third cousins, get their branch's records....there's gold in them thar documents.
Some of the best pictures I have of one line I just picked up >from a recent visit
to the UK where I met with my 3rd cousins and their parents and grandparents (the
latter group was actually pretty close to my direct line and had lots of
information I knew nothing about.

Happy hunting.
Steven L. Cooper
Sherwood Park, AB
Email: steve@...


From: cromrider@... [mailto:cromrider@...]
Ira--If you can't find anything directly on your grandfather, it is time to start
branching out laterally. Begin searching for your grandfather's relatives who
lived in this country and do the same for them.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Suggestion when you can't determine original family surname #general

Steven Cooper <s.cooper@...>
 

I could not agree more.

I have solved many surname issues by finding siblings of my target. This is helpful
where the name is changed, spelled wrong or simply illegible. One find I had was
trying to decipher what looked like "shoemakov". My English illiterate GGfather
had simply had someone spell it more less phonetically...the real name, I finally
discovered through a sibling record, of his was "Shuchmacher"...lol. Still makes
me laugh

In US archives, I have found marriage certificates of siblings (especially where
naturalization records don't exist or can't be found) are a wonderful source of
proper maternal surnames. People had so many kids back then, you are bound to find
one with a legible, mostly accurate spelling.

As an aside, I research on the basis that some of the best information is found
with the most distant of relations. This has been my experience. Interrogate
third cousins, get their branch's records....there's gold in them thar documents.
Some of the best pictures I have of one line I just picked up >from a recent visit
to the UK where I met with my 3rd cousins and their parents and grandparents (the
latter group was actually pretty close to my direct line and had lots of
information I knew nothing about.

Happy hunting.
Steven L. Cooper
Sherwood Park, AB
Email: steve@...


From: cromrider@... [mailto:cromrider@...]
Ira--If you can't find anything directly on your grandfather, it is time to start
branching out laterally. Begin searching for your grandfather's relatives who
lived in this country and do the same for them.


JGSLA - Monday, June 18 - "A Lithuanian Encounter" at Valley Beth Shalom, 7:30PM #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

You are invited to the June program of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los
Angeles:

"We Are Here: A Lithuanian Encounter" with author, Ellen Cassedy

Monday, June 18, 2012 7:30PM

Valley Beth Shalom Synagogue 15739 Ventura Blvd. Encino, CA 91436

Ellen Cassedy set off into the Jewish heartland of Lithuania to study Yiddish and
connect with her Jewish forebears. But once there, old certainties began to
dissolve, and what had begun as a personal journey of return soon expanded into a
larger quest. The result was her new book, "We Are Here: Memories of the Lithuanian
Holocaust." Ellen not only immersed herself in the nearly vanished culture of the
Jerusalem of the North, but also conducted groundbreaking research, speaking with
a brave cadre of Jews and non-Jews who were exhuming the complex truths of the
mid-20th Century, reaching out across age-old barriers, and attempting to build a
more tolerant future. Ellen's journey changed her outlook on bystanders, victims,
collaborators, rescuers and herself. Probing the terrain of memory, massacre, and
moral dilemmas, Cassedy asks: Can we honor our heritage without perpetuating the
fears and hatreds of the past? Her rich and deeply-felt account offers important
insights and hope.

Ellen Cassedy is the author of "We Are Here: Memories of the Lithuanian Holocaust,"
a new book published by the University of Nebraska Press. The book begins with a
Jewish roots journey, then expands to explore how Lithuania today is engaging with
its Holocaust past, shining a spotlight on fragile efforts toward tolerance. Ellen
has explored the world of the Lithuanian Holocaust in the land of her Jewish
forebears for ten years. Her work has been published in Hadassah, The Forward,
Lilith, and other publications. She is a former columnist for the Philadelphia
Daily News. She lives near Washington, D.C. Michael Steinlauf, author of Bondage
to the Dead: Poland and the Memory of the Holocaust, says of the book: Pioneering
will reach out to all those who care about not replaying in this new century the
disasters of the century that has just ended.

A book signing will follow the presentation - For more information go
to: http://www.ellencassedy.com/ or
http://jgsla.org/meetings/upcoming/june-18-2012-we-are-here-a-lithuanian-encounter-
with-ellen-cassedy

JGSLA members are free. Guests $5.00. Traveling library available at 7:00PM.

Refreshments will be served.

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair, JGSLA
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSLA - Monday, June 18 - "A Lithuanian Encounter" at Valley Beth Shalom, 7:30PM #general

Pamela Weisberger
 

You are invited to the June program of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los
Angeles:

"We Are Here: A Lithuanian Encounter" with author, Ellen Cassedy

Monday, June 18, 2012 7:30PM

Valley Beth Shalom Synagogue 15739 Ventura Blvd. Encino, CA 91436

Ellen Cassedy set off into the Jewish heartland of Lithuania to study Yiddish and
connect with her Jewish forebears. But once there, old certainties began to
dissolve, and what had begun as a personal journey of return soon expanded into a
larger quest. The result was her new book, "We Are Here: Memories of the Lithuanian
Holocaust." Ellen not only immersed herself in the nearly vanished culture of the
Jerusalem of the North, but also conducted groundbreaking research, speaking with
a brave cadre of Jews and non-Jews who were exhuming the complex truths of the
mid-20th Century, reaching out across age-old barriers, and attempting to build a
more tolerant future. Ellen's journey changed her outlook on bystanders, victims,
collaborators, rescuers and herself. Probing the terrain of memory, massacre, and
moral dilemmas, Cassedy asks: Can we honor our heritage without perpetuating the
fears and hatreds of the past? Her rich and deeply-felt account offers important
insights and hope.

Ellen Cassedy is the author of "We Are Here: Memories of the Lithuanian Holocaust,"
a new book published by the University of Nebraska Press. The book begins with a
Jewish roots journey, then expands to explore how Lithuania today is engaging with
its Holocaust past, shining a spotlight on fragile efforts toward tolerance. Ellen
has explored the world of the Lithuanian Holocaust in the land of her Jewish
forebears for ten years. Her work has been published in Hadassah, The Forward,
Lilith, and other publications. She is a former columnist for the Philadelphia
Daily News. She lives near Washington, D.C. Michael Steinlauf, author of Bondage
to the Dead: Poland and the Memory of the Holocaust, says of the book: Pioneering
will reach out to all those who care about not replaying in this new century the
disasters of the century that has just ended.

A book signing will follow the presentation - For more information go
to: http://www.ellencassedy.com/ or
http://jgsla.org/meetings/upcoming/june-18-2012-we-are-here-a-lithuanian-encounter-
with-ellen-cassedy

JGSLA members are free. Guests $5.00. Traveling library available at 7:00PM.

Refreshments will be served.

Pamela Weisberger
Program Chair, JGSLA
pweisberger@...


Re: Could Lyons be Laish? #general

Meron Lavie
 

Layish is an exotic Hebrew word for lion. That's the only connection I can think
of.

Meron LAVIE

Stephen Esrati [mailto:sesrati13@...] wrote:

Subject: Could Lyons be Laish?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Could Lyons be Laish? #general

Meron Lavie
 

Layish is an exotic Hebrew word for lion. That's the only connection I can think
of.

Meron LAVIE

Stephen Esrati [mailto:sesrati13@...] wrote:

Subject: Could Lyons be Laish?


JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG - a new addition to JewishGen #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce the formation of a new Special Interest Group --
the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG.

The JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG focuses on parts of the pre-WWI Hungarian megyek
(counties) of Bereg, Maramaros, Ugocsa and Ung, today located in Sub-Carpathia,
Ukraine.

The prime objective of SIG is to help with genealogical research and related
information-gathering.

Please visit the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's web site at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Sub-Carpathia/

See what's there, and contribute material you may have that will enhance it.
Perhaps you would like to spotlight your family, in the hope of locating relatives.

These are JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's ongoing projects:

- gazetteer of Sub-Carpathian villages and towns - by their former Hungarian and
present Ukrainian names, with both lists linked to show the location on a map
- transcription of the Velikiy Bereznyy (Nagyberezna) mohel book
- transcription of the new Mukacheve cemetery tombstones
- transcription of the Berehove cemetery tombstones
- transcription of the Pryborzhavs'ke cemetery tombstones
- providing guidance for travel in Sub-Carpathia

There are also new projects, some of which have already begun, and others awaiting
volunteers to participate and/or lead them. These include:

- translation of the Vynogradiv yizkor book
- cemetery projects - photographing and transcribing tombstones
- collecting travel photos >from visitors to their ancestral towns
- transcription of vital records

If you have interest, genealogical skills, knowledge of the history and genealogy
of this area, or language proficiency (Hungarian, Romanian, Russian, Ukrainian,
Hebrew or Yiddish, among others), we would appreciate your help with our collective
efforts.

A discussion/mailing list is the conduit through which SIG members can communicate
their research issues, ask for advice, offer solutions, and share the creative ways
in which they have documented their family heritage.

To subscribe to the discussion/mailing list, please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager and select "Sub-Carpathia SIG."

Contacts:
* For questions concerning JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG, its discussion mailing
list or web site, contact Marshall Katz, at: packard40@... .

* Comments or questions of general interest to all should be addressed to the
JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's mailing list, at: subcarpathia@... .

We welcome everyone's active participation.

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen

Marshall Katz
JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG - a new addition to JewishGen #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce the formation of a new Special Interest Group --
the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG.

The JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG focuses on parts of the pre-WWI Hungarian megyek
(counties) of Bereg, Maramaros, Ugocsa and Ung, today located in Sub-Carpathia,
Ukraine.

The prime objective of SIG is to help with genealogical research and related
information-gathering.

Please visit the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's web site at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Sub-Carpathia/

See what's there, and contribute material you may have that will enhance it.
Perhaps you would like to spotlight your family, in the hope of locating relatives.

These are JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's ongoing projects:

- gazetteer of Sub-Carpathian villages and towns - by their former Hungarian and
present Ukrainian names, with both lists linked to show the location on a map
- transcription of the Velikiy Bereznyy (Nagyberezna) mohel book
- transcription of the new Mukacheve cemetery tombstones
- transcription of the Berehove cemetery tombstones
- transcription of the Pryborzhavs'ke cemetery tombstones
- providing guidance for travel in Sub-Carpathia

There are also new projects, some of which have already begun, and others awaiting
volunteers to participate and/or lead them. These include:

- translation of the Vynogradiv yizkor book
- cemetery projects - photographing and transcribing tombstones
- collecting travel photos >from visitors to their ancestral towns
- transcription of vital records

If you have interest, genealogical skills, knowledge of the history and genealogy
of this area, or language proficiency (Hungarian, Romanian, Russian, Ukrainian,
Hebrew or Yiddish, among others), we would appreciate your help with our collective
efforts.

A discussion/mailing list is the conduit through which SIG members can communicate
their research issues, ask for advice, offer solutions, and share the creative ways
in which they have documented their family heritage.

To subscribe to the discussion/mailing list, please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager and select "Sub-Carpathia SIG."

Contacts:
* For questions concerning JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG, its discussion mailing
list or web site, contact Marshall Katz, at: packard40@... .

* Comments or questions of general interest to all should be addressed to the
JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG's mailing list, at: subcarpathia@... .

We welcome everyone's active participation.

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen

Marshall Katz
JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG Coordinator


ViewMate translation request - German #galicia

Carol Sicherman <csicher@...>
 

I've posted images of four postcards for which I need a translation or
a detailed summary. They're on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23204

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23205

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23206

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23208

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Carol Sicherman


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate translation request - German #galicia

Carol Sicherman <csicher@...>
 

I've posted images of four postcards for which I need a translation or
a detailed summary. They're on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23204

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23205

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23206

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23208

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Carol Sicherman


Viewmate help please, Polish and Russian #general

Steven Cooper <s.cooper@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking to have four pages translated.

The top four (201-203) are multiple pages >from a Russian English form but the
answers are all in Russian. The final form 200) is a letter in Polish (I believe).
I am hoping to have the form translated verbatim and also the seal.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23203
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23202
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23201
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23200

Thank you!

Steven L. Cooper
Alberta Canada
Researching WARSHAFSKY, ABRAMOVITCH, YERETSKY, LAZAROWITZ (and so many others!)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate help please, Polish and Russian #general

Steven Cooper <s.cooper@...>
 

Hello,

I am looking to have four pages translated.

The top four (201-203) are multiple pages >from a Russian English form but the
answers are all in Russian. The final form 200) is a letter in Polish (I believe).
I am hoping to have the form translated verbatim and also the seal.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23203
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23202
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23201
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23200

Thank you!

Steven L. Cooper
Alberta Canada
Researching WARSHAFSKY, ABRAMOVITCH, YERETSKY, LAZAROWITZ (and so many others!)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate 23190 - dechypering handwriting - make it is Poland? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I really need some hardwiring help and especially people who have some idea of
Poland, German, Galacia towns and fancy script >from 1891.

I posted this conundrum the other day and it started a debate but no one has solved
where is this man from. So now I revised my Viewmate to put the full page up to
provide better handwriting examples.

Israel JOSEPH came to the USA in 1891 and I have both his Hamburg and New York
passenger lists and the town looks like "Sidiken" and the country appears to be
Poland. Where's that?

The debate starts on VM 23164 which is an except of the Hamburg list and VM 23165
is the US list. Now I posted
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23190
which is the entire page.

Some people you will see suggested the first letter is an "L" not an "S" but when
you look at other lettering on the page you will see the handwriting is very close
between the letters but if you go up five lines and look at the city that looks
like a clear "L" and go to the names and look 6 and 7 lines above Israel Joseph
and you will see clear examples of the "L" and "S" in the handwriting.

Israel Joseph is the very last line on the page.

Please, everyone take a look and try to read the handwriting and try and solve
where is he from.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan


Viewmate 23190 - dechypering handwriting - make it is Poland? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I really need some hardwiring help and especially people who have some idea of
Poland, German, Galacia towns and fancy script >from 1891.

I posted this conundrum the other day and it started a debate but no one has solved
where is this man from. So now I revised my Viewmate to put the full page up to
provide better handwriting examples.

Israel JOSEPH came to the USA in 1891 and I have both his Hamburg and New York
passenger lists and the town looks like "Sidiken" and the country appears to be
Poland. Where's that?

The debate starts on VM 23164 which is an except of the Hamburg list and VM 23165
is the US list. Now I posted
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23190
which is the entire page.

Some people you will see suggested the first letter is an "L" not an "S" but when
you look at other lettering on the page you will see the handwriting is very close
between the letters but if you go up five lines and look at the city that looks
like a clear "L" and go to the names and look 6 and 7 lines above Israel Joseph
and you will see clear examples of the "L" and "S" in the handwriting.

Israel Joseph is the very last line on the page.

Please, everyone take a look and try to read the handwriting and try and solve
where is he from.

Thank you.

Allan Jordan


David and Pnina Levine in Kiryat Bialik #general

George
 

Hello, I am looking for David and Pnina Levine who used to and maybe still live in
Kiryat Bialik. They are cousins of Robin Nagel.

George Frankel
Oakland, Ca.

Researching: Turner, Rudner, Fisch, (Mszana Dolna, Tarnow, Oswiecim, Poland)
Bleich, Beller, Frankel, Zell, Schein (Bobrka, Poland; Vienna, Mykolajow, Ukraine)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David and Pnina Levine in Kiryat Bialik #general

George
 

Hello, I am looking for David and Pnina Levine who used to and maybe still live in
Kiryat Bialik. They are cousins of Robin Nagel.

George Frankel
Oakland, Ca.

Researching: Turner, Rudner, Fisch, (Mszana Dolna, Tarnow, Oswiecim, Poland)
Bleich, Beller, Frankel, Zell, Schein (Bobrka, Poland; Vienna, Mykolajow, Ukraine)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately


ViewMate photo identification #general

Rose
 

Dear Group

I've posted two photos my father in the Polish army taken in 1932. Since submitting
the photos I've discovered that he served with the 56th Infantry based in
Krotoszyn, Poland. I would be interested in hearing >from anyone who has further
information on this Infantry. The photos are on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23126
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23127
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Best Wishes
Rose Raymen
Perth, Western Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate photo identification #general

Rose
 

Dear Group

I've posted two photos my father in the Polish army taken in 1932. Since submitting
the photos I've discovered that he served with the 56th Infantry based in
Krotoszyn, Poland. I would be interested in hearing >from anyone who has further
information on this Infantry. The photos are on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23126
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=23127
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Best Wishes
Rose Raymen
Perth, Western Australia

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