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Re: Finding Cities of Origin #general

montereybayrob@...
 

Stephen,

Your information is so sparse--it is unlikely that this group will be
able to give you direct information.

Instead, start with the basics. If they arrived in the 1880s, you
should look at census records to see if they became citizens. If so,
you can seek out citizenship records. Town of origin may be listed.
Second, you can try the many sources of passenger lists (like Hamburg)
or the Germans to America books. Third, investigate if any of your
ancestors served in the military. Those records are accessible.

Good luck,
Rob Weisskirch
Marina, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding Cities of Origin #general

montereybayrob@...
 

Stephen,

Your information is so sparse--it is unlikely that this group will be
able to give you direct information.

Instead, start with the basics. If they arrived in the 1880s, you
should look at census records to see if they became citizens. If so,
you can seek out citizenship records. Town of origin may be listed.
Second, you can try the many sources of passenger lists (like Hamburg)
or the Germans to America books. Third, investigate if any of your
ancestors served in the military. Those records are accessible.

Good luck,
Rob Weisskirch
Marina, CA


Re: Finding Cities of Origin #general

Linda Shefler
 

Stephen Silberman asked how to find cities of origins for his ancestors <<
My ancestors came to the US in the 1880s. In three of the four cases I have
a country of origin but no idea of the city! >>. I responded to Stephen
privately, but assume my experiences might prove helpful to others with the
same question, so here is my response:

My family starting arriving in the US in the 1850s and my situation was the
same as yours, I had country names (which frequently changed with each new
census), but no clue about towns. Eventually I managed to locate all of the
places of birth for my gg grandparents, but it required definite
persistence!

I would suggest an expanded version of the obvious; check death
certificates, but also check the records >from the funeral home as well as
the cemetery. Frequently I found two of those three records would list
place of birth 'unknown', but the third source would actually list a place.
Many times it wasn't the record for the specific individual which had the
information, but the record for either a child or a sibling. Of course
there is no guarantee that siblings were born in the same place, but it's
definitely a place to start! My gg grandparents had 7 children and it was
the 7th death certificate that I located that finally listed the place of
birth for my gg grandmother, all the others indicated 'unknown'. It can be
that the records for your direct ancestor won't have the information, that's
why it's important to go wide in your research. Someone in the family knew
the information and included it somewhere!

I also found places of birth for two gg grandfathers on their passport
applications. Both of them acquired passports decades before they were
mandatory (lucky for me) and again, some of the applications just listed a
country, while other applications were more specific and indicated towns.
The passport applications for these two ancestors were found on Ancestry.

Linda Silverman Shefler

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From: silberman@...
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:57:37 +0000 (GMT+00:00)

What I am searching is as follows:

Abramson Russia
Silberman Romania
Collins Russia

I've been unable to locate any immigration records for these folk and no
city or area which sort of dead ends my search. Does anyone have a clue
as to how I might proceed?

Thanks,

Stephen Silberman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Finding Cities of Origin #general

Linda Shefler
 

Stephen Silberman asked how to find cities of origins for his ancestors <<
My ancestors came to the US in the 1880s. In three of the four cases I have
a country of origin but no idea of the city! >>. I responded to Stephen
privately, but assume my experiences might prove helpful to others with the
same question, so here is my response:

My family starting arriving in the US in the 1850s and my situation was the
same as yours, I had country names (which frequently changed with each new
census), but no clue about towns. Eventually I managed to locate all of the
places of birth for my gg grandparents, but it required definite
persistence!

I would suggest an expanded version of the obvious; check death
certificates, but also check the records >from the funeral home as well as
the cemetery. Frequently I found two of those three records would list
place of birth 'unknown', but the third source would actually list a place.
Many times it wasn't the record for the specific individual which had the
information, but the record for either a child or a sibling. Of course
there is no guarantee that siblings were born in the same place, but it's
definitely a place to start! My gg grandparents had 7 children and it was
the 7th death certificate that I located that finally listed the place of
birth for my gg grandmother, all the others indicated 'unknown'. It can be
that the records for your direct ancestor won't have the information, that's
why it's important to go wide in your research. Someone in the family knew
the information and included it somewhere!

I also found places of birth for two gg grandfathers on their passport
applications. Both of them acquired passports decades before they were
mandatory (lucky for me) and again, some of the applications just listed a
country, while other applications were more specific and indicated towns.
The passport applications for these two ancestors were found on Ancestry.

Linda Silverman Shefler

--
From: silberman@...
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:57:37 +0000 (GMT+00:00)

What I am searching is as follows:

Abramson Russia
Silberman Romania
Collins Russia

I've been unable to locate any immigration records for these folk and no
city or area which sort of dead ends my search. Does anyone have a clue
as to how I might proceed?

Thanks,

Stephen Silberman


1897 All Russia Census #general

Liz Miller <lizdmiller@...>
 

Hello all,

I do know that the shtetl of Kraisk/Kraysk appears on the 1897 All
Russia Census.

Is there anyway of finding out if the list is searchable? Are there
names associated with Kraysk/Kraisk in 1897?

My Ruderman family is >from that town, and I would like to help if
there is anything that I can do.

Liz Ruderman Miller
Arroyo Grande, CA
lizdmiller@...

Ruderman/Cohen Kraisk


ViewMate translation request - Croatian #general

Caryn
 

I've posted a vital record which I believe is in Croatian for which I
need a direct translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23425

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Caryn Levinson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Croatian #general

Caryn
 

I've posted a vital record which I believe is in Croatian for which I
need a direct translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM23425

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Caryn Levinson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1897 All Russia Census #general

Liz Miller <lizdmiller@...>
 

Hello all,

I do know that the shtetl of Kraisk/Kraysk appears on the 1897 All
Russia Census.

Is there anyway of finding out if the list is searchable? Are there
names associated with Kraysk/Kraisk in 1897?

My Ruderman family is >from that town, and I would like to help if
there is anything that I can do.

Liz Ruderman Miller
Arroyo Grande, CA
lizdmiller@...

Ruderman/Cohen Kraisk


Re: Family OAWSTER, Pittsburgh #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

Ted Kotzin wrote: "I am looking for Louis OAWSTER, probably >from
Pittsburgh, who was related to my mother-in-law's aunt, Shprintze
(or Ida) CIMBERG and her husband, Nathan Oawster. ..."

Check Carnegie Mellon's Pittsburgh Jewish Newspapers Project, with
records going back to 1895. You can search its scanned volumes at
http://diva.library.cmu.edu/pjn/index.jsp . I did a quick search for
Oawster and found 41 listings.

The Project is a great resource for any Genner researching Pittsburgh!
I have no connection to it.

Yours sincerely,
Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching: MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilna, Moletai, Grodno,
Sopotskin, Özery, Liverpool; LEVIN in Grodno; HIRSCHBERG in Vilna and
Grodno; GOLDMAN in Danzig/Gdansk; ROSENBLOOM in Liverpool; ROSEN and
ROSENKRANTZ in Warsaw; BARMON in Lipno and Rypin; WEINER in Berdichev;
GOLDBERG in Berdichev and Odessa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family OAWSTER, Pittsburgh #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

Ted Kotzin wrote: "I am looking for Louis OAWSTER, probably >from
Pittsburgh, who was related to my mother-in-law's aunt, Shprintze
(or Ida) CIMBERG and her husband, Nathan Oawster. ..."

Check Carnegie Mellon's Pittsburgh Jewish Newspapers Project, with
records going back to 1895. You can search its scanned volumes at
http://diva.library.cmu.edu/pjn/index.jsp . I did a quick search for
Oawster and found 41 listings.

The Project is a great resource for any Genner researching Pittsburgh!
I have no connection to it.

Yours sincerely,
Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching: MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilna, Moletai, Grodno,
Sopotskin, Özery, Liverpool; LEVIN in Grodno; HIRSCHBERG in Vilna and
Grodno; GOLDMAN in Danzig/Gdansk; ROSENBLOOM in Liverpool; ROSEN and
ROSENKRANTZ in Warsaw; BARMON in Lipno and Rypin; WEINER in Berdichev;
GOLDBERG in Berdichev and Odessa


Re: Searching for Current-Day Russian Relatives #general

Maury Kitces
 

You could try http://www.odnoklassniki.ru.

It is the Russian equivalent of Facebook. If you are not fluent in
Russian, you will need a webpage translator. I have had success using
the one that is built in to the Chrome browser.

Maury Kitces
Great Falls, VA

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From: Rachel S Goodman <rgoodman108@...>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:54:43 -0500

Could you tell me what you know about starting to look for relatives
currently living in Russia, who may have fled >from Ukraine, Latvia,
Lithuania during the War? I have never thought about that possibility
before, that some descendents may still be living in Eastern Europe.
Any thoughts would be helpful, if you could steer me in the direction
of lists etc. of current-day Jewish communities or stories about where
people landed when they fled. I did not notice the opportunity to
search for Russia in the search boxes on JewishGen.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for Current-Day Russian Relatives #general

Maury Kitces
 

You could try http://www.odnoklassniki.ru.

It is the Russian equivalent of Facebook. If you are not fluent in
Russian, you will need a webpage translator. I have had success using
the one that is built in to the Chrome browser.

Maury Kitces
Great Falls, VA

--
From: Rachel S Goodman <rgoodman108@...>
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 19:54:43 -0500

Could you tell me what you know about starting to look for relatives
currently living in Russia, who may have fled >from Ukraine, Latvia,
Lithuania during the War? I have never thought about that possibility
before, that some descendents may still be living in Eastern Europe.
Any thoughts would be helpful, if you could steer me in the direction
of lists etc. of current-day Jewish communities or stories about where
people landed when they fled. I did not notice the opportunity to
search for Russia in the search boxes on JewishGen.


Ritual Wife registered as unmarried #ukraine

Palekaiko
 

I recently received a Polish birth certificate (translated into
English) which listed the individual as "illegitimate". The space for
the father was left blank. However, the mother's description listed
her as unmarried and the "ritual wife of the known father".

My question is, What is a ritual wife and does that title infer
illegitimacy on her children?

The union of the mother and father as well as the birth of their
children took place in Lvov, c1910. Would I be able to obtain a
marriage certificate >from Lvov archives?

Thanks to all who will reply.

Michael Diamant


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ritual Wife registered as unmarried #ukraine

Palekaiko
 

I recently received a Polish birth certificate (translated into
English) which listed the individual as "illegitimate". The space for
the father was left blank. However, the mother's description listed
her as unmarried and the "ritual wife of the known father".

My question is, What is a ritual wife and does that title infer
illegitimacy on her children?

The union of the mother and father as well as the birth of their
children took place in Lvov, c1910. Would I be able to obtain a
marriage certificate >from Lvov archives?

Thanks to all who will reply.

Michael Diamant


Ritual Wife registered as unmarried, Lvov about 1910 #general

Palekaiko
 

I recently received a Polish birth certificate (translated into
English) which listed the individual as "illegitimate". The space for
the father was left blank. However, the mother's description listed
her as unmarried and the "ritual wife of the known father".

My question is, What is a ritual wife and does that title infer
illegitimacy on her children?

The union of the mother and father as well as the birth of their
children took place in Lvov, c1910. Would I be able to obtain a
marriage certificate >from Lvov archives?

Thanks to all who will reply.

Michael Diamant


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ritual Wife registered as unmarried, Lvov about 1910 #general

Palekaiko
 

I recently received a Polish birth certificate (translated into
English) which listed the individual as "illegitimate". The space for
the father was left blank. However, the mother's description listed
her as unmarried and the "ritual wife of the known father".

My question is, What is a ritual wife and does that title infer
illegitimacy on her children?

The union of the mother and father as well as the birth of their
children took place in Lvov, c1910. Would I be able to obtain a
marriage certificate >from Lvov archives?

Thanks to all who will reply.

Michael Diamant


HERSCHENFELD #general

Diane De Milt
 

Jacob and Lana HERSCHENFELD arrived here on December 20, 1907. I would
like to be able to find where they went and follow then through the
census. I know that they went to live with their sons, Chaim and Solomon
at 274 E 10th st, NYC, but know nothing more about this. I would be
very grateful for any further information.
Thanks
Diane De Milt
deech10@...
# 198023


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HERSCHENFELD #general

Diane De Milt
 

Jacob and Lana HERSCHENFELD arrived here on December 20, 1907. I would
like to be able to find where they went and follow then through the
census. I know that they went to live with their sons, Chaim and Solomon
at 274 E 10th st, NYC, but know nothing more about this. I would be
very grateful for any further information.
Thanks
Diane De Milt
deech10@...
# 198023


Re: Searching for Current Day Russian Relatives #general

Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@...>
 

The Jewishgen researcher who posted this query noted that she would be looking
in Eastern Europe for descendants of relatives who were in Lithuania and Latvia
during World War II. She also should look in the Caucasus (Azerbaijan, Georgia,
Armenia) and Central Asian (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kirgizstan, and
Turkmenistan) republics, to which refugees >from the European parts of the former
USSR escaped during the war. Israeli and HIAS records also might be checked, to
see if family members emigrated >from the USSR after the war.

Helene Kenvin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for Current Day Russian Relatives #general

Helene Kenvin <hekenvin@...>
 

The Jewishgen researcher who posted this query noted that she would be looking
in Eastern Europe for descendants of relatives who were in Lithuania and Latvia
during World War II. She also should look in the Caucasus (Azerbaijan, Georgia,
Armenia) and Central Asian (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kirgizstan, and
Turkmenistan) republics, to which refugees >from the European parts of the former
USSR escaped during the war. Israeli and HIAS records also might be checked, to
see if family members emigrated >from the USSR after the war.

Helene Kenvin

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