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Re: Finding visitors, not emigrants #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Judi Zimmer) wrote:
Some recently discovered photos seem to suggest that at some time in the 1920s or
1930s, great-great grandparents of mine >from Smela, Russia (now Ukraine) made a
visit to New York. No living family member has any knowledge of this possible
visit and I could not find any information on either ancestry.com or
ellisisland.org.
The only window of opportunity to leave Soviet Ukraine for the visit to USA would
be the period between the end of WWI in late 1918 and 1923. After 1923 USSR was
hermetically locked up, and the keys >from the international borders gates were
safely locked in Stalin's Kremlin office. And if one has managed to leave USSR
for a visit overseas, he must be insane to return.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding visitors, not emigrants #general

Alexander Sharon <olek.sharon@...>
 

Judi Zimmer) wrote:
Some recently discovered photos seem to suggest that at some time in the 1920s or
1930s, great-great grandparents of mine >from Smela, Russia (now Ukraine) made a
visit to New York. No living family member has any knowledge of this possible
visit and I could not find any information on either ancestry.com or
ellisisland.org.
The only window of opportunity to leave Soviet Ukraine for the visit to USA would
be the period between the end of WWI in late 1918 and 1923. After 1923 USSR was
hermetically locked up, and the keys >from the international borders gates were
safely locked in Stalin's Kremlin office. And if one has managed to leave USSR
for a visit overseas, he must be insane to return.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab
Vienna Death Registers: need Heading Translations #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Hello all...
I've located the indexes (at genteam.at) and images of Vienna 1784-1911 death
registers ( FamilySearch.org). Does anyone know of a translation of the headings
from these registers? top line reads: Sterbebuch uber die in wien bie der
Israelites

thanks
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vienna Death Registers: need Heading Translations #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Hello all...
I've located the indexes (at genteam.at) and images of Vienna 1784-1911 death
registers ( FamilySearch.org). Does anyone know of a translation of the headings
from these registers? top line reads: Sterbebuch uber die in wien bie der
Israelites

thanks
Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
...SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
...LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
...STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: www.KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm
Re: Finding visitors, not emigrants #general

A. E. Jordan
 

judizimm@gmail.com writes:
Some recently discovered photos seem to suggest that at some time in the 1920s or
1930s, great-great grandparents of mine >from Smela, Russia (now Ukraine) made a
visit to New York. No living family member has any knowledge of this possible
visit and I could not find any information on either ancestry.com or
ellisisland.org. Is there any way to find records that would confirm this?


The online passenger lists do not exclude any type of passenger nor in most cases
any of the classes aboard the ship especially in the newer or more modern lists.
Not all of the lists are on line or survived the times but the most likely case is
the names are there just not with the spelling you are expecting. The same
challenges of spelling, not knowing which port, etc. exist for visitors as well as
emigrants and the best advice is to use the same search tactics in attempting to
locate them in the on line data.

If that does not work I would investigate the rules and surviving records for
visas. I have no idea but I am assuming that in the 1920 and 1930s the United
States may have required visas >from foreign visitors. If they did or did not I
have no idea and if those records have survived and are searchable is another
matter as well.

Allan Jordan
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding visitors, not emigrants #general

A. E. Jordan
 

judizimm@gmail.com writes:
Some recently discovered photos seem to suggest that at some time in the 1920s or
1930s, great-great grandparents of mine >from Smela, Russia (now Ukraine) made a
visit to New York. No living family member has any knowledge of this possible
visit and I could not find any information on either ancestry.com or
ellisisland.org. Is there any way to find records that would confirm this?


The online passenger lists do not exclude any type of passenger nor in most cases
any of the classes aboard the ship especially in the newer or more modern lists.
Not all of the lists are on line or survived the times but the most likely case is
the names are there just not with the spelling you are expecting. The same
challenges of spelling, not knowing which port, etc. exist for visitors as well as
emigrants and the best advice is to use the same search tactics in attempting to
locate them in the on line data.

If that does not work I would investigate the rules and surviving records for
visas. I have no idea but I am assuming that in the 1920 and 1930s the United
States may have required visas >from foreign visitors. If they did or did not I
have no idea and if those records have survived and are searchable is another
matter as well.

Allan Jordan
Polish/Russian place name - Pizedborz #general

Caroline Dresden <cldresden@...>
 

Genners

Could anyone tell me the likely current name for Pizedborz, Russia, as mentioned in
a New York naturalisation declaration in 1911.

Many thanks

Caroline Dresden
Birmingham, England
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish/Russian place name - Pizedborz #general

Caroline Dresden <cldresden@...>
 

Genners

Could anyone tell me the likely current name for Pizedborz, Russia, as mentioned in
a New York naturalisation declaration in 1911.

Many thanks

Caroline Dresden
Birmingham, England
Touring the golden Jewish triangle #general

Carolyn Simon
 

My family is planning to go ancestor hunting in Lithuania and eastern Poland this
summer. They are interested in traveling on their own, a private tour with guide and
driver. So far the only tour company they have found that does both countries is
Ancestral Attic. Has anyone out there had experience with this company? What sort of
reputation do they have? What other options are there? They will have limited time
and do not want to take a traditional tour.

Carolyn Simon, #139371
Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only, please.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Touring the golden Jewish triangle #general

Carolyn Simon
 

My family is planning to go ancestor hunting in Lithuania and eastern Poland this
summer. They are interested in traveling on their own, a private tour with guide and
driver. So far the only tour company they have found that does both countries is
Ancestral Attic. Has anyone out there had experience with this company? What sort of
reputation do they have? What other options are there? They will have limited time
and do not want to take a traditional tour.

Carolyn Simon, #139371
Tucson, AZ

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only, please.
Gesher Galicia in 2013 #poland

Pamela Weisberger
 

Dear Galician Researchers:

As we approach the 20th anniversary of the founding of Gesher Galicia,
our 2012 membership year is drawing to a close and it's time to renew
for 2013.

This has been an exciting year of growth for our group. We have almost
200,000 records in the All Galicia Database, 50 maps in the Gesher
Galicia Map Room, and are about to debut our newly-redesigned website
with our "members only" portal, which will offer an electronic "GG
Family Finder, "a Galician Research Guide, and a searchable collection
of back issues of "The Galitzianer." Anyone joining by early January
will receive the winter issue of our journal, "The Galitzianer," which
is going to press right now.

To renew or join online click here:
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/join_gg.html

If you have already renewed for 2013, no need to contact us again.
We have your information! If you have specific questions about your
membership, please contact Ben Tysch directly:btysch@ca.rr.com

Pamela Weisberger
President & Research Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
www.search.geshergalicia.org
www.maps.geshergalicia.org
www.inventory.geshergalicia.org
www.geshergalicia.org
pweisberger@gmail.com
JRI Poland #Poland Gesher Galicia in 2013 #poland

Pamela Weisberger
 

Dear Galician Researchers:

As we approach the 20th anniversary of the founding of Gesher Galicia,
our 2012 membership year is drawing to a close and it's time to renew
for 2013.

This has been an exciting year of growth for our group. We have almost
200,000 records in the All Galicia Database, 50 maps in the Gesher
Galicia Map Room, and are about to debut our newly-redesigned website
with our "members only" portal, which will offer an electronic "GG
Family Finder, "a Galician Research Guide, and a searchable collection
of back issues of "The Galitzianer." Anyone joining by early January
will receive the winter issue of our journal, "The Galitzianer," which
is going to press right now.

To renew or join online click here:
http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/join_gg.html

If you have already renewed for 2013, no need to contact us again.
We have your information! If you have specific questions about your
membership, please contact Ben Tysch directly:btysch@ca.rr.com

Pamela Weisberger
President & Research Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
www.search.geshergalicia.org
www.maps.geshergalicia.org
www.inventory.geshergalicia.org
www.geshergalicia.org
pweisberger@gmail.com
Re: Thank you for your heartening response. #poland

chaim meiersdorf
 

Stanley

You and all the others in JRI-Poland are simply tzaddikim. Nothing else needs
to be added.

Chaim Meiersdorf

-----Original Message-----


1. Thank you for your heartening response.
2. Re: Update on JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives cooperation 3. Re:
Viewmate : Russian translations (Poland)

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Subject: Thank you for your heartening response.
From: smsdiamond@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:05:46 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear fellow researchers:

The response to our post about future cooperation between the Polish State
Archives and Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has been overwhelming.

While we anticipated an air of excitement over this update, we could hardly
have expected what JRI-Poland Treasurer Sheila Salo has called the
"blizzard" of donations and, I should add, the many private congratulatory
messages.

Thanks to the generosity by JRI-Poland researchers, it will be possible for
us to make an early start on the indexing of records for a number of towns
in Poland and former Galician towns now in the Ukraine.

Finally, I would like to add a personal note. While I signed the
announcements that appeared on the JRI-Poland, JewishGen and Gesher Galicia
lists, the success of JRI-Poland must be attributed to the dedication and
competence of those with whom I am honored to share leadership - executive
committee members Judy Baston, Mark Halpern, and Michael Tobias, and the
entire JRI-Poland board.

All of the board members wear other hats and have various responsibilities
in helping JRI-Poland reach its goals. I would like to mention these
others, Jeffrey Cymbler, Howard Fink, Alan Greenberg, Peter Jassem, Roni
Liebowitz, Hadassah Lipsius, Robinn Magid, Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum, Sheila
Salo, Susan Stone and Daniel Wagner.

And, I might add, thanks must also go to the both the Archive Coordinators
and Town Leaders who tirelessly fundraise for the indexing of their towns'
records and share their knowledge about their town with their fellow
researchers.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
JRI Poland #Poland RE: Thank you for your heartening response. #poland

chaim meiersdorf
 

Stanley

You and all the others in JRI-Poland are simply tzaddikim. Nothing else needs
to be added.

Chaim Meiersdorf

-----Original Message-----


1. Thank you for your heartening response.
2. Re: Update on JRI-Poland / Polish State Archives cooperation 3. Re:
Viewmate : Russian translations (Poland)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Thank you for your heartening response.
From: smsdiamond@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:05:46 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear fellow researchers:

The response to our post about future cooperation between the Polish State
Archives and Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has been overwhelming.

While we anticipated an air of excitement over this update, we could hardly
have expected what JRI-Poland Treasurer Sheila Salo has called the
"blizzard" of donations and, I should add, the many private congratulatory
messages.

Thanks to the generosity by JRI-Poland researchers, it will be possible for
us to make an early start on the indexing of records for a number of towns
in Poland and former Galician towns now in the Ukraine.

Finally, I would like to add a personal note. While I signed the
announcements that appeared on the JRI-Poland, JewishGen and Gesher Galicia
lists, the success of JRI-Poland must be attributed to the dedication and
competence of those with whom I am honored to share leadership - executive
committee members Judy Baston, Mark Halpern, and Michael Tobias, and the
entire JRI-Poland board.

All of the board members wear other hats and have various responsibilities
in helping JRI-Poland reach its goals. I would like to mention these
others, Jeffrey Cymbler, Howard Fink, Alan Greenberg, Peter Jassem, Roni
Liebowitz, Hadassah Lipsius, Robinn Magid, Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum, Sheila
Salo, Susan Stone and Daniel Wagner.

And, I might add, thanks must also go to the both the Archive Coordinators
and Town Leaders who tirelessly fundraise for the indexing of their towns'
records and share their knowledge about their town with their fellow
researchers.

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland
Budapest deportation lista1951. #hungary

orban_99@...
 

Hi Siggers,
I got this link >from the Hungarian family-tree researching list: 

http://valkoczi.uw.hu/Data/budapest/names/Complete-list-1951-deportation.pdf

This list was made about those people who were deported >from Budapest in 1951 by the communists, among them a lot of wealthy Jewish people.

from this month I became the leader of the Library of Jewish University in Budapest.
I hope I'll be able to help you in the next years.
sincerely yours 

Szego Agnes
PhD
librarian, historian
Budapest

Researching: SAUERBRUNN, FRISCH (Domony, Alsoabrany, Verpelet, Eger, Demend, Petervasara), HELLENBERG, DICKER (Tolcsva, Gava, Viss, Debrecen), Weisz (Satoraljaujhely, Kemencze), ROTH (Satoraljaujhely), WEISZMANN (Ramocsahaza), DEUTSCH (Tiszaszollos, Tiszaors), KOHN (Tiszaszentimre, Tiszaörs), KLEIN (Tarnabod, Bekolcze, Nagymihaly), SPIELBERG/ER (Nagyfuged, Egerlovo), SCHVARTZ (Onga, Egerlovo)
Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest deportation lista1951. #hungary

orban_99@...
 

Hi Siggers,
I got this link >from the Hungarian family-tree researching list: 

http://valkoczi.uw.hu/Data/budapest/names/Complete-list-1951-deportation.pdf

This list was made about those people who were deported >from Budapest in 1951 by the communists, among them a lot of wealthy Jewish people.

from this month I became the leader of the Library of Jewish University in Budapest.
I hope I'll be able to help you in the next years.
sincerely yours 

Szego Agnes
PhD
librarian, historian
Budapest

Researching: SAUERBRUNN, FRISCH (Domony, Alsoabrany, Verpelet, Eger, Demend, Petervasara), HELLENBERG, DICKER (Tolcsva, Gava, Viss, Debrecen), Weisz (Satoraljaujhely, Kemencze), ROTH (Satoraljaujhely), WEISZMANN (Ramocsahaza), DEUTSCH (Tiszaszollos, Tiszaors), KOHN (Tiszaszentimre, Tiszaörs), KLEIN (Tarnabod, Bekolcze, Nagymihaly), SPIELBERG/ER (Nagyfuged, Egerlovo), SCHVARTZ (Onga, Egerlovo)
Follow Up regarding a Previous Query #hungary

Alex Magocsi
 

A few days ago, Tom Klein of Toronto responded to my query titled "Sise is the nickname for�"

Tom wrote:
"where is toelcsik? i couldn't find it in the gazetteer or with google(!).

and what kind of record did you find it in? could it be a typo, or is it a transliteration >from another language?
(i.e. is it hungarian, or german, or transliterated yiddish/hebrew?)

have you tried looking in the jewishgen given names database?
(which seems to suffer >from a bit of "split personality" between the uses of "s", "sh", and "sz", among other things.)"


Since she was the source of the document that I was using, Beth Long of Budapest responded off line to Tom.
I thought it might be of interest, and useful, to others if I quoted Beth's response to the list, of course with her permission.
Beth wrote:
"This place is actually TÃœltszÊk (Hungarian) or TulÄ?ík (Slovakian). It is in the former Saros County.

The name was taken >from an 1860 Jewish birth record.
Since it was a Hungarian-speaking area, I assume it would have been pronounced "Shee-sheh"

I initially suggested to Alex that it might be "Shimshon".
Another person came up with the idea of "Ziskind" (which they mentioned was frequently associated with the name Alexander).

I agree that when people post, it is good to briefly outline the source of the information (since it makes a big difference
whether it came >from an original record, a personal letter, oral recollection, or whatever)."

Regards
Alex
Hungary SIG #Hungary Follow Up regarding a Previous Query #hungary

Alex Magocsi
 

A few days ago, Tom Klein of Toronto responded to my query titled "Sise is the nickname for�"

Tom wrote:
"where is toelcsik? i couldn't find it in the gazetteer or with google(!).

and what kind of record did you find it in? could it be a typo, or is it a transliteration >from another language?
(i.e. is it hungarian, or german, or transliterated yiddish/hebrew?)

have you tried looking in the jewishgen given names database?
(which seems to suffer >from a bit of "split personality" between the uses of "s", "sh", and "sz", among other things.)"


Since she was the source of the document that I was using, Beth Long of Budapest responded off line to Tom.
I thought it might be of interest, and useful, to others if I quoted Beth's response to the list, of course with her permission.
Beth wrote:
"This place is actually TÃœltszÊk (Hungarian) or TulÄ?ík (Slovakian). It is in the former Saros County.

The name was taken >from an 1860 Jewish birth record.
Since it was a Hungarian-speaking area, I assume it would have been pronounced "Shee-sheh"

I initially suggested to Alex that it might be "Shimshon".
Another person came up with the idea of "Ziskind" (which they mentioned was frequently associated with the name Alexander).

I agree that when people post, it is good to briefly outline the source of the information (since it makes a big difference
whether it came >from an original record, a personal letter, oral recollection, or whatever)."

Regards
Alex
IGRA's new Search Engine #general

Garri Regev
 

We have released our new search engine for the AID (All Israel Databases) section
www.genealogy.org.il/AID/ . In July, at the IAJGS International Conference in
Paris, IGRA was awarded the Stern Grant with the intent that these monies to be
used to develop a bi-lingual search engine to improve our website. We contracted
with Brooke Schreier Ganz and worked closely with her to build what we hope will
be a much improved search experience. Rose Feldman, Carol Hoffman, Daniel
Horowitz, Garri Regev and Philip Trauring have each given >from their special fields
to make this possible. We believe we bring you now a balanced assortment of
databases >from the Ottoman, British and Israeli Administrations, relating to
communities >from the north to the south, and in many different fields. Some of the
databases are in English but most are in Hebrew, with a few additional languages
as well. Each database is presented in the language of the material found. The
search engine, however, is able to understand both English and Hebrew and will
bring you matches in both languages even if you only entered the name in one
language.

There is a virtual keyboard if you do not have a Hebrew keyboard and want to use
one.

You will notice that in addition to entering the names you are searching there are
possible filters on the right side of the page to help you fine tune your search.
Try them out!! Adding more or taking them away is quite simple. Our databases and
search engine page is available to all registered users of our website (free).
Please be sure to log in. You will be alerted if you do not have permission to
access information. Due to restrictions >from the various archives we have had to
layer the accessibility of our databases. There are databases available to
everyone. Some of our databases allow you to search but not to see all of the
details. Other databases are only for paid IGRA members. The same is true for the
images of the databases. Almost all of the images have been added and more will
be added in the coming days.

Register now - Webinar, January 13, 2013 (8pm Israel, 1pm EST, 10am
PST) - Navigating the All Israel Database Search Engine (English):
https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/180663814

Garri Regev
President, IGRA
president@genealogy.org.il
Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland - January 6, 2013 #general

Helen Wolf, President CJGS <president@...>
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland will be held on
Sunday, January 6, 2013 at 1:30 p.m. at Anshe Chesed-Fairmount Temple Lelyveld
Library, 23737 Fairmount Blvd, Beachwood, Ohio 44122. Our featured presentation
will be Nate Arnold as Rabbi Michaelis Machol who will appear as the rabbinic
leader who served >from 1876 to 1906 at the forerunner of Anshe Chesed-Fairmount
Temple. The meetings are free and open to the public. All are welcome.

Thank you

Helen Rosenstein Wolf
President
Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland
216-291-0796 (evenings)
president@clevelandjgs.org
155781 - 155800 of 668783