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Re: Trying to find an ancient address in Salonika (Greece), Jewish Digest: April 16, 2013 #general

Morton Rumberg
 

"Nicolas Trokiner" <trokiner@gmail.com> asked about locating a particular
building, and wanted to know if ancient maps exist.

For those searching records in Greece, an additional source for you might be
the Greek Synagogue and Museum at:

kehila_kedosha_janina@netzero.net

Marcia Haddad Ikonomopoulos
Museum Director
Kehila Kedosha Janina
280 Broome Street
NYC, NY 10002

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: The website address is http://www.kkjsm.org/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Trying to find an ancient address in Salonika (Greece), Jewish Digest: April 16, 2013 #general

Morton Rumberg
 

"Nicolas Trokiner" <trokiner@gmail.com> asked about locating a particular
building, and wanted to know if ancient maps exist.

For those searching records in Greece, an additional source for you might be
the Greek Synagogue and Museum at:

kehila_kedosha_janina@netzero.net

Marcia Haddad Ikonomopoulos
Museum Director
Kehila Kedosha Janina
280 Broome Street
NYC, NY 10002

Mort Rumberg
Sacramento, CA

MODERATOR NOTE: The website address is http://www.kkjsm.org/


Son of a Naturalized Citizen #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

My great grandfather came to the US in the 1890's and was naturalized
probably in 1900-1910 range. His son, my great uncle, received
naturalization "on his father's papers". How would I find my great uncle's
naturalization information if I have been unable to gain naturalization
information about his father?

Marilyn Robinson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Son of a Naturalized Citizen #general

Marilyn Robinson
 

My great grandfather came to the US in the 1890's and was naturalized
probably in 1900-1910 range. His son, my great uncle, received
naturalization "on his father's papers". How would I find my great uncle's
naturalization information if I have been unable to gain naturalization
information about his father?

Marilyn Robinson


Matrilineal ancestry #general

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

Please contact me if any of the people listed below appear to be your
ancestors. The women are all matrilineal descendants (only through
mothers and daughters) of my 2-greats grandmother, Schoenle Steiner
Obermayer, who was born about 1780 in Bavaria.

If we can confirm the connection, I can provide one line of your
ancestry with reasonable certainty back to the early 1500s. Furthermore,
if your connection to the listed women is only matrilineal, you (and
others with a similar connection) should have essentially identical
mtDNA to Schoenle Steiner Obermayer. If we can find two individuals
with only this matrilineal connection, the validity of this genealogical
information can be confirmed by mtDNA measurements.

In the listing below husbands names are provided only for better
identification purposes. Sons' names are only provided below if they
may be living today, and therefore would have the same mtDNA (i.e., >from
their X chromosome) as their mothers. Many of these people lived over a
hundred years ago.

This can be a powerful way of establishing and confirming relationships.

Arthur Obermayer
Newton, MA

POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS: Roland and Johanna Abrahams; Jane Abrahams; Julius
and Helena Bachmann;Sidney and Dorothy Berney; Sirra orLieselotte Birn;
Moses and Flora Brenner; Claribel Cone; Elsa or Marga Goldscheider;
George and Carolyn Green; Edna or Andrew Green; Isaac and
ClementineGuggenheimer;Jacob and Johanna Gugenheimer;Rudolf and Helen
Gumpert;Susan or David Gumpert; Paul and Ellen Hirschland; Nancy
Hirchland; Charles and Alice Hoffberger; Carol Hoffberger; Victor and
Minna Jalenko; Gustav and Edna Lichtenfeld; Jacob and Henrietta Leibson;
Jacob and Nanette Liebson; Moses and Carrie Long; Markus and Helene
Moellerich; Mathilde , Adelheid,Sophie,Karolina,Idaor Jeanetta
Neuburger,Rudolph and Selma Nussbaum;Henrietta Reis; Henry and Carrie
Rosenheim;Delia Rosenheim; Martha or Inge Sadler; Irene Schnebalg;George
and Joanne Schreiner; Ann Schreiner; Louis and Rosa Waterman.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Matrilineal ancestry #general

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

Please contact me if any of the people listed below appear to be your
ancestors. The women are all matrilineal descendants (only through
mothers and daughters) of my 2-greats grandmother, Schoenle Steiner
Obermayer, who was born about 1780 in Bavaria.

If we can confirm the connection, I can provide one line of your
ancestry with reasonable certainty back to the early 1500s. Furthermore,
if your connection to the listed women is only matrilineal, you (and
others with a similar connection) should have essentially identical
mtDNA to Schoenle Steiner Obermayer. If we can find two individuals
with only this matrilineal connection, the validity of this genealogical
information can be confirmed by mtDNA measurements.

In the listing below husbands names are provided only for better
identification purposes. Sons' names are only provided below if they
may be living today, and therefore would have the same mtDNA (i.e., >from
their X chromosome) as their mothers. Many of these people lived over a
hundred years ago.

This can be a powerful way of establishing and confirming relationships.

Arthur Obermayer
Newton, MA

POSSIBLE CONNECTIONS: Roland and Johanna Abrahams; Jane Abrahams; Julius
and Helena Bachmann;Sidney and Dorothy Berney; Sirra orLieselotte Birn;
Moses and Flora Brenner; Claribel Cone; Elsa or Marga Goldscheider;
George and Carolyn Green; Edna or Andrew Green; Isaac and
ClementineGuggenheimer;Jacob and Johanna Gugenheimer;Rudolf and Helen
Gumpert;Susan or David Gumpert; Paul and Ellen Hirschland; Nancy
Hirchland; Charles and Alice Hoffberger; Carol Hoffberger; Victor and
Minna Jalenko; Gustav and Edna Lichtenfeld; Jacob and Henrietta Leibson;
Jacob and Nanette Liebson; Moses and Carrie Long; Markus and Helene
Moellerich; Mathilde , Adelheid,Sophie,Karolina,Idaor Jeanetta
Neuburger,Rudolph and Selma Nussbaum;Henrietta Reis; Henry and Carrie
Rosenheim;Delia Rosenheim; Martha or Inge Sadler; Irene Schnebalg;George
and Joanne Schreiner; Ann Schreiner; Louis and Rosa Waterman.


Ancestry.com Offers Free Access To Marriage Records Through April 21st #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Ancestry.com is offering free access to their marriage records-US and
International-- through April 21st midnight eastern. You need to register
with your name and email address only. Depending on which jurisdiction the
marriage record is from, you may see the marriage register, a summary with
the opportunity to order the record >from where the jurisdiction contracts to
obtain the record, or the record itself. The free access is only for the
marriage records. If you click on an another record for the person you are
researching you will be directed to subscribe to Ancestry.

To access the free marriage records go to:
http://www.ancestry.com/cs/us/family-marriages

I have no relationship with Ancestry.com and am posting this solely for the
interest of the readers of this listserve.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ancestry.com Offers Free Access To Marriage Records Through April 21st #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Ancestry.com is offering free access to their marriage records-US and
International-- through April 21st midnight eastern. You need to register
with your name and email address only. Depending on which jurisdiction the
marriage record is from, you may see the marriage register, a summary with
the opportunity to order the record >from where the jurisdiction contracts to
obtain the record, or the record itself. The free access is only for the
marriage records. If you click on an another record for the person you are
researching you will be directed to subscribe to Ancestry.

To access the free marriage records go to:
http://www.ancestry.com/cs/us/family-marriages

I have no relationship with Ancestry.com and am posting this solely for the
interest of the readers of this listserve.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Any ideas how to maximize the results from Ancestry.com's DNA #general

msalzbank
 

I was excited to submit DNA to Ancestry to locate possible new cousins..

I have had only 2 or 3 possible 3rd cousins and hundreds of potential
4th-6th cousins.

While Ancestry is quite "certain" I am related to these people, I am
not sure how or what to do with the results.

Since, there are no common surnames among our trees and to be 4th
cousins, mans we would share Great Great Great grandparents ,,,and I
may have a name or two on that level..but not their siblings or maiden
names (and certainly not if I need to identify 5th or 6th cousins)

So.. what if anything can be done with these results? There are
hundreds of results.. and I don't even know what to ask... since our
trees have no overlapping names...Even if I were to assume that there
were common towns...- which may or may not be true...I still see no
way to make any real connections.

Am I missing something?

Michael Salzbank

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussion on this question should take place on the
JewishGen DNA Testing discussion forum. Please direct responses privately to
Michael or develop the discussion further on the DNA group.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager/members_add.asp


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Any ideas how to maximize the results from Ancestry.com's DNA #general

msalzbank
 

I was excited to submit DNA to Ancestry to locate possible new cousins..

I have had only 2 or 3 possible 3rd cousins and hundreds of potential
4th-6th cousins.

While Ancestry is quite "certain" I am related to these people, I am
not sure how or what to do with the results.

Since, there are no common surnames among our trees and to be 4th
cousins, mans we would share Great Great Great grandparents ,,,and I
may have a name or two on that level..but not their siblings or maiden
names (and certainly not if I need to identify 5th or 6th cousins)

So.. what if anything can be done with these results? There are
hundreds of results.. and I don't even know what to ask... since our
trees have no overlapping names...Even if I were to assume that there
were common towns...- which may or may not be true...I still see no
way to make any real connections.

Am I missing something?

Michael Salzbank

MODERATOR NOTE: Discussion on this question should take place on the
JewishGen DNA Testing discussion forum. Please direct responses privately to
Michael or develop the discussion further on the DNA group.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ListManager/members_add.asp


Beth Moses Cemetery Photo #general

Sandy Aaronson <SAaronson@...>
 

Hello...
I have a photo request if anyone is going to Beth Moses Cemetery in
Farmingdale, LI. Please contact me @ sandyaaronson@gmail.com so I can give
you the name and exact location.

Thanking you in advance,
Sandy Aaronson
Texas, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Beth Moses Cemetery Photo #general

Sandy Aaronson <SAaronson@...>
 

Hello...
I have a photo request if anyone is going to Beth Moses Cemetery in
Farmingdale, LI. Please contact me @ sandyaaronson@gmail.com so I can give
you the name and exact location.

Thanking you in advance,
Sandy Aaronson
Texas, USA


Descendants of Rosa and Louis SILVERSTEIN #general

Lois Cohen
 

I found on the Boston 1900 census that my husband's g grandparents, Bertha
(KANTER) and Moses COHEN had a daughter Rosa (COHEN) SILVERSTEIN, who was a
widow, and her son Ali age 3 living with them at 5 Oswego St. I did
research and found that Rosa married Louis SILVERSTEIN in Boston, MA on
Oct. 25, 1889. On the marriage document it listed Louis' parents as Moses
and Annie. I have found the following children for Rosa and Louis:

Annie Silverstein born 2/15/1892 in Boston
Harris Silverstein born 12/29/1893 in Boston
Sarah/ Sadie Silverstein born 12/31/1895 in Boston
Ali>Alex>Ellis Silverstein born 7/1897 Boston

Louis SILVERSTEIN was born 1867 in Russia and died on or before 1900. I
have no information on his death. Rosa was born 1864 in Russia and died
1903 in Boston. She is buried in Montvale Cemetery, Woburn, MA. Rosa's
parent had Rosa buried under the name of Rosa COHEN SILBERSTEIN.

I found Sarah and Annie SILVERSTEIN in the 1900 census living in the Leopold
Morse Orphanage in Milton, MA.

Moses Cohen died in 1906 and Bertha Cohen died in 1907. They are both
buried in the same cemetery as Rosa in Woburn, MA.

On the 1910 census, I found Sadie and Ellis Silverstein living at the
Leopold Morse Orphanage. I found Annie listed as a lodger, stenographer in
Boston. I discovered a World War 1 draft card (1918) for Ellis SILVERSTEIN
born 7/1897 in Boston. He stated he was living with a Mrs. Annie BLOOM at 3
Wales St. Boston.

I have been unable to find additional information on Louis SILVERSTEIN or
his children. I have not been able to determine who Annie BLOOM is... was
she Ellis' sister or another relative.

Looking for your help.

Lois Cohen
Cranston, Rhode Island
loisteach@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of Rosa and Louis SILVERSTEIN #general

Lois Cohen
 

I found on the Boston 1900 census that my husband's g grandparents, Bertha
(KANTER) and Moses COHEN had a daughter Rosa (COHEN) SILVERSTEIN, who was a
widow, and her son Ali age 3 living with them at 5 Oswego St. I did
research and found that Rosa married Louis SILVERSTEIN in Boston, MA on
Oct. 25, 1889. On the marriage document it listed Louis' parents as Moses
and Annie. I have found the following children for Rosa and Louis:

Annie Silverstein born 2/15/1892 in Boston
Harris Silverstein born 12/29/1893 in Boston
Sarah/ Sadie Silverstein born 12/31/1895 in Boston
Ali>Alex>Ellis Silverstein born 7/1897 Boston

Louis SILVERSTEIN was born 1867 in Russia and died on or before 1900. I
have no information on his death. Rosa was born 1864 in Russia and died
1903 in Boston. She is buried in Montvale Cemetery, Woburn, MA. Rosa's
parent had Rosa buried under the name of Rosa COHEN SILBERSTEIN.

I found Sarah and Annie SILVERSTEIN in the 1900 census living in the Leopold
Morse Orphanage in Milton, MA.

Moses Cohen died in 1906 and Bertha Cohen died in 1907. They are both
buried in the same cemetery as Rosa in Woburn, MA.

On the 1910 census, I found Sadie and Ellis Silverstein living at the
Leopold Morse Orphanage. I found Annie listed as a lodger, stenographer in
Boston. I discovered a World War 1 draft card (1918) for Ellis SILVERSTEIN
born 7/1897 in Boston. He stated he was living with a Mrs. Annie BLOOM at 3
Wales St. Boston.

I have been unable to find additional information on Louis SILVERSTEIN or
his children. I have not been able to determine who Annie BLOOM is... was
she Ellis' sister or another relative.

Looking for your help.

Lois Cohen
Cranston, Rhode Island
loisteach@verizon.net


Re: Book: wanted to buy In Their Words Russian #general

Inna Strakovsky <inna.strakovsky@...>
 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:20:43 PM UTC-4, Michelle Sandler wrote:
I want to buy the book In Their Words: genealogist's translation guide
to Polish, German, Latin, and Russian Documents by Jonathan D. Shea and
William F, Hoffman volume II: Russian. I can only find it for a fortune.

Does anyone know where I can buy a copy for a reasonable price under $50.00?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Book: wanted to buy In Their Words Russian #general

Inna Strakovsky <inna.strakovsky@...>
 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:20:43 PM UTC-4, Michelle Sandler wrote:
I want to buy the book In Their Words: genealogist's translation guide
to Polish, German, Latin, and Russian Documents by Jonathan D. Shea and
William F, Hoffman volume II: Russian. I can only find it for a fortune.

Does anyone know where I can buy a copy for a reasonable price under $50.00?


Pogrom in the mid to late 1920s. BIENENFELD SOVA Family #general

David Zoldan
 

I was listening to a tape recently which has bits of a recorded history
spoken by my grandfather, Jerome (Yeruchum) BIENENFELD. My grandfather
was the son of Yehoshua David BIENENFELD and Rachel SOVA. Yehoshua
David was a son of Shmuel BIENENFELD and Chana Rochel TYK. Rachel SOVA
was a daughter of Yisrael Asher and Leah SOVA. My grandfather lived in
Kikol, Poland and his grandparents lived in Lipno, Poland. Both cities
were not far >from Warsaw.

On the tape recorded some decades ago my grandfather remembers some
antisemitism when the cossaks came through town. Most of the events
seem to have been minor except one time when grandpa was about 9 or 10
that everyone had to hide in the basement, especially the women-
grandpas mother and aunts. Grandpa was born somewhere >from 1912-1918
(we think:)) So the event which stuck out in his mind when he was 9 or
10 may have been somewhere in the 1920s.

My question: Does anybody know of a specific pogrom where thre cossaks
came through either Lipno or Kikol during the 1920s (or any in the 20th
century). I would appreciate any help on the matter. Thank you to the
group.

Avraham David ZOLDAN
Researcher 382214

Researching in Poland/Russia: BIENENFELD, EINBINDER, SOVA, ROSENKNOPF,
CZESNA, Others
Researching in the Carpathians: ZOLDAN, WEISSBERGER, SHLEZINGER,
STEINBERG, MEIR, SOLOMON, Others


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pogrom in the mid to late 1920s. BIENENFELD SOVA Family #general

David Zoldan
 

I was listening to a tape recently which has bits of a recorded history
spoken by my grandfather, Jerome (Yeruchum) BIENENFELD. My grandfather
was the son of Yehoshua David BIENENFELD and Rachel SOVA. Yehoshua
David was a son of Shmuel BIENENFELD and Chana Rochel TYK. Rachel SOVA
was a daughter of Yisrael Asher and Leah SOVA. My grandfather lived in
Kikol, Poland and his grandparents lived in Lipno, Poland. Both cities
were not far >from Warsaw.

On the tape recorded some decades ago my grandfather remembers some
antisemitism when the cossaks came through town. Most of the events
seem to have been minor except one time when grandpa was about 9 or 10
that everyone had to hide in the basement, especially the women-
grandpas mother and aunts. Grandpa was born somewhere >from 1912-1918
(we think:)) So the event which stuck out in his mind when he was 9 or
10 may have been somewhere in the 1920s.

My question: Does anybody know of a specific pogrom where thre cossaks
came through either Lipno or Kikol during the 1920s (or any in the 20th
century). I would appreciate any help on the matter. Thank you to the
group.

Avraham David ZOLDAN
Researcher 382214

Researching in Poland/Russia: BIENENFELD, EINBINDER, SOVA, ROSENKNOPF,
CZESNA, Others
Researching in the Carpathians: ZOLDAN, WEISSBERGER, SHLEZINGER,
STEINBERG, MEIR, SOLOMON, Others


Re: Trying to find an ancient address in Salonika (Greece) #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Evertjan. wrote on 17 apr 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

If you compare the city limits of Thessaloniki on the map of the 1917
fire:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thessaloniki_Fire_1917_Map.jpg>
The effect of that fire, btw, were staggering for the Jewish community:

"The people affected by the fire totaled approximately 73,447. [..]
homeless by the three religious communities of Thessaloniki:

52,000 Jews,
10,000 Orthodox and
11,000 Muslims.[1]"

"[..] buildings that were burned were [..] 16 of the 33 synagogues, [..]
Approximately 4,096 of the 7,695 shops within the city were destroyed, many
of which were Jewish [..]"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Thessaloniki>
--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Trying to find an ancient address in Salonika (Greece) #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Evertjan. wrote on 17 apr 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

If you compare the city limits of Thessaloniki on the map of the 1917
fire:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thessaloniki_Fire_1917_Map.jpg>
The effect of that fire, btw, were staggering for the Jewish community:

"The people affected by the fire totaled approximately 73,447. [..]
homeless by the three religious communities of Thessaloniki:

52,000 Jews,
10,000 Orthodox and
11,000 Muslims.[1]"

"[..] buildings that were burned were [..] 16 of the 33 synagogues, [..]
Approximately 4,096 of the 7,695 shops within the city were destroyed, many
of which were Jewish [..]"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Fire_of_Thessaloniki>
--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>

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