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Re: Including a suicide in a family history #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Davida,
There are many things to be considered when deciding what facts to
include in a family history.

1) What's the intent and purpose of your writing? Is this for
publication? For family use? In either case, what harm would the
publication of certain facts be likely to cause?

2) Who are the intended readers? On the one hand, a family history
written as a gift for young children should not be too horrific; but
some family histories are written precisely to *end* cycles of
concealment and evasion.

3) If others asked you to write, whether for pay or otherwise, what did
they ask for? What limits did they set? What did they already know?

When deciding whether to include a particular fact, consider:

4) How did you come to know it? You certainly can't keep future
generations >from doing their own research and finding what you did!
With oceans of vital records, obituaries, newspapers, court records,
etc. becoming ever more easily searched and accessed, you should assume
that others *will* find out what you did.

5) Does the source carry restrictions? Some people bequeath their
papers to posterity, yet don't want them quoted. Especially if
relatives of the deceased are still alive, this should be considered.

6) How important is it? If you're writing about a central figure or a
central event in a family's story, then you must ask yourself what the
consequences of omission, evasion or deception would be. Some families
have had several suicides, even in one generation. Can one *not* write
about that, and still consider the product to be a history of the family?

I'm currently writing an outline of one of my families, for a volume
honoring the memory of some of them. Limited to 2,000 words, I ask
myself: who should be the focus, and what facts about them matter the
most? So far I've mentioned the cause of death of only three members of
the family: the father (diabetes--knowledge of which could be construed
as a public service to descendants) and one of his seven sons (a doctor
in his early 30s who had a skiing accident). In both cases I felt that
the lack of an explanation would raise questions. But many other
details about the family, some humorous, some sordid, some merely
peculiar, must take a back seat to what I consider important for the
general reader: background, origins, the life of the family, the fates
of its members.

But if I were writing extensively about the personalities of one or of
these people, I'd find it much harder to leave out facts about major
life events, let alone misrepresent them. A survivor's distress in
bereavement will appear in a different light if the deceased was a suicide.

It's hard to imagine any fact of consequence in a family history that
would not cause some descendant some distress. Some do not want to know
that their ancestors were poor; others, that they were wealthy. Some
don't want to know about divorces, abandonment, family strife,
opportunities missed, etc. Some decide, when reading, that they would
have preferred not to know--that the version of events that they had
previously learned or imagined was more valuable than what the writer
has presented.

That said, 4 generations is a long time.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 4/27/2013 1:19 AM, Davida Handler wrote:
When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Including a suicide in a family history #general

Roger Lustig
 

Dear Davida,
There are many things to be considered when deciding what facts to
include in a family history.

1) What's the intent and purpose of your writing? Is this for
publication? For family use? In either case, what harm would the
publication of certain facts be likely to cause?

2) Who are the intended readers? On the one hand, a family history
written as a gift for young children should not be too horrific; but
some family histories are written precisely to *end* cycles of
concealment and evasion.

3) If others asked you to write, whether for pay or otherwise, what did
they ask for? What limits did they set? What did they already know?

When deciding whether to include a particular fact, consider:

4) How did you come to know it? You certainly can't keep future
generations >from doing their own research and finding what you did!
With oceans of vital records, obituaries, newspapers, court records,
etc. becoming ever more easily searched and accessed, you should assume
that others *will* find out what you did.

5) Does the source carry restrictions? Some people bequeath their
papers to posterity, yet don't want them quoted. Especially if
relatives of the deceased are still alive, this should be considered.

6) How important is it? If you're writing about a central figure or a
central event in a family's story, then you must ask yourself what the
consequences of omission, evasion or deception would be. Some families
have had several suicides, even in one generation. Can one *not* write
about that, and still consider the product to be a history of the family?

I'm currently writing an outline of one of my families, for a volume
honoring the memory of some of them. Limited to 2,000 words, I ask
myself: who should be the focus, and what facts about them matter the
most? So far I've mentioned the cause of death of only three members of
the family: the father (diabetes--knowledge of which could be construed
as a public service to descendants) and one of his seven sons (a doctor
in his early 30s who had a skiing accident). In both cases I felt that
the lack of an explanation would raise questions. But many other
details about the family, some humorous, some sordid, some merely
peculiar, must take a back seat to what I consider important for the
general reader: background, origins, the life of the family, the fates
of its members.

But if I were writing extensively about the personalities of one or of
these people, I'd find it much harder to leave out facts about major
life events, let alone misrepresent them. A survivor's distress in
bereavement will appear in a different light if the deceased was a suicide.

It's hard to imagine any fact of consequence in a family history that
would not cause some descendant some distress. Some do not want to know
that their ancestors were poor; others, that they were wealthy. Some
don't want to know about divorces, abandonment, family strife,
opportunities missed, etc. Some decide, when reading, that they would
have preferred not to know--that the version of events that they had
previously learned or imagined was more valuable than what the writer
has presented.

That said, 4 generations is a long time.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

On 4/27/2013 1:19 AM, Davida Handler wrote:
When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?


Simon SIMSON and family from Gilgenburg #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am searching for more about Simon SIMSON and his family. They emigrated
from Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East Prussia to New York 1891.
Simon SIMSON was born 17 December 1856 in Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East
Prussia. Parents Abraham (Adolph) Simson and Henriette born Lewin Zacharias.

Simon married Ernestine (Emma) GOTTLUBER 1882. She was born around 1856.
Their children

- Frances (Franziska) born around 1880
- Simon born around 1881. Seems to have died, because later he is not in
the US census.
- Etta born around 1882
- Hattie born around 1884

I find Simon and his wife in the US census until 1930. The they disappear.

Any information about them or decedents are very interesting for me.

Please respond privately: Fred.Zimmak@Bredband.net

Best regards >from Stockholm, Sweden

Fred Zimmak


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Simon SIMSON and family from Gilgenburg #general

Fred Zimmak <Fred.Zimmak@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I am searching for more about Simon SIMSON and his family. They emigrated
from Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East Prussia to New York 1891.
Simon SIMSON was born 17 December 1856 in Gilgenburg, kreis Osterode, East
Prussia. Parents Abraham (Adolph) Simson and Henriette born Lewin Zacharias.

Simon married Ernestine (Emma) GOTTLUBER 1882. She was born around 1856.
Their children

- Frances (Franziska) born around 1880
- Simon born around 1881. Seems to have died, because later he is not in
the US census.
- Etta born around 1882
- Hattie born around 1884

I find Simon and his wife in the US census until 1930. The they disappear.

Any information about them or decedents are very interesting for me.

Please respond privately: Fred.Zimmak@Bredband.net

Best regards >from Stockholm, Sweden

Fred Zimmak


Re: Members of my family with two first names #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer
 

Dominique,

My observation is that your ancestors each had
- a Hebrew name used for religious occasions such as synagogue services, and
- a civil name used in everyday life.
Both could have been recorded, but not necessarily so.

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney


2. Pnovany Synagogue #austria-czech

zeevr@...
 

Apropos Synagogues of the CSR:

I have information, and a photo of the Trencyn Synagoge.
Also of Klatovy cemetery.
My visit there was in 1991.

In case of interest, contact me at zeevr@technion.ac.il

Zeev Raphael, Haifa


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Members of my family with two first names #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer
 

Dominique,

My observation is that your ancestors each had
- a Hebrew name used for religious occasions such as synagogue services, and
- a civil name used in everyday life.
Both could have been recorded, but not necessarily so.

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech 2. Pnovany Synagogue #austria-czech

zeevr@...
 

Apropos Synagogues of the CSR:

I have information, and a photo of the Trencyn Synagoge.
Also of Klatovy cemetery.
My visit there was in 1991.

In case of interest, contact me at zeevr@technion.ac.il

Zeev Raphael, Haifa


Litvak SIG Records Acquisition Report - 1st Quarter, 2013 #general

Howard Margol
 

Following is a list of the records that were translated during January,
February, and March, 2013.

Most of these lists are now available on the various Vilnius District
Research Group websites. DRGroup members are able to view the records right
away. After a period of 18 months, the records will be available at no charge
on the Litvak SIG ALD as well as on the JewishGen Lithuania Database.

Howard Margol
Litvak SIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition

Kybartai (Suwalki) Tax payers - 1912-1914 139 lines
Lazdijai (Suwalki) Marriages -1877-1907- 244 records
Lentvaris (Trakai) Deaths-1916-1940 81 records
Lentvaris (Trakai) Marriages/ Divorces-1916-1940 420 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Deaths-1923-1940- 85 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Divorces-1921-1940- 34 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Marriages-1881-1940- 1238 records
Oshmiany - Births - 1854-1861 - 283 records 5
Panevezys District - Family lists of conscripts - 1915 1,812 lines
Prienai (Suwalki) Deaths - 1810-1862 (not all years included) - 871
records
Sejny (Suwalki) births - 1880-1882 - 232 records
Sejny (Suwalki) deaths - 1880-1882 - 169 records
Sejny (Suwalki) marriages - 1880-1882 - 45 records
Siauliai District - Family lists of conscripts - 1915 - 2,266 lines
Suwalki gub.- List of drinking establishments - 1907-1909 - 58 lines
Telsiai District - Family lists of conscripts = 1915 - 78 lines
Trakai (city) Births - 1876-1913 - 997 records
Ukmerge State Savings Bank -1891-1918 - 3,153 lines
Valkininkai (Trakai) Births (recovered)-1870-1916 - 47 records
Valkininkai (Trakai) Deaths 1887-1940 -.TOTAL - 935 records
Valkininkai (Trakai) Marriages (recovered)-1890-1932 - 7 records
Varena (Trakai) Marriages -Divorces - 1881-1915 - 318 records
Vievis (Trakai) Births - 1882-1913 - 344 records
Vilkaviskis (Suwalki)- Tax payers - 1912-1914 - 834 lines
Vilnius Births 1854-1856 - 1,106 records
Vilnius Deaths 1913 - 1,181 records
Virbalis (Suwalki)- Tax payers - 1912-1914 - 282 lines
Zarasai District - Family lists of conscripts -1914 - 399 lines

The following Punsk & Krasnopol records translated by a Volunteer
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Births - 1882-1885 - 112 records
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Marriages - 1882-1885 - 28 records
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Deaths - 1882-1885 - 42 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Births- 1868-1875- 182 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Deaths 1868-1875- 70 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Marriages- 1868-1875- 34 records

Sam Aaron (Volunteer) extracted the following Riga records (Lithuanian
connection)
Riga vital records (Extracts)
Riga 1897 census (Extracts)

Dorothy Leivers - Volunteer - translated the Seirijai and Punsk records
Punsk (Suwalki) Births- 1866-1867- 92 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Deaths- 1866-1867- 16 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Marriages- 1866-1867- 12 records
Seirija(Suwalki)i Marriages - 1827-1854 - 232 records
Seirijai (Suwalki) Deaths -1826-1856 - 702 records
Seirijai(Suwalki) Births - 1826-1856 - 535 records
Trakai Marriages 1881-1897 - 241 records
Ariogala (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 224 lines
Ariogala (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners- 220 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1844-1845 taxpayers-unable to pay- 52 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1869-1875 passport issuance records- 263 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1871 military list - 310 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 52 lines
Cekiske (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 60 lines
Cekiske (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners - 63 lines
Emigration-Eretz Israel (Part 2) -AZ194-AZ348-259 lines
Emigration-Eretz Israel (Part 3) -AZ349-AZ422 -133 lines
Kaunas 1873 real estate owners KRA/I - 61/1/1050 - 729 lines
Kaunas Dist. Soldiers on vacation -1862 - 5 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1925 - born in 1902-1,767 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1925 - born in 1903 = 1,884 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1926 - born in 1904 -1,274 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1926 - born in 1905 - 1,424 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1930 - born in 1909 - 1,791 lines
Krakes (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 169 lines
Palestine Office (Misrad Erez Israel) 1929-1940 - 1,362 lines
Panevezys - Owners of mortgaged property - 1910 - 43 lines
Panevezys - Owners of mortgaged property -1911 -90 lines
Pumpenai (Panevezys) Owners of Insured Property 1910 152 lines
Raiseniai Dist. Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Rumsiskes (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 189 lines
Rumsiskes (Kaunas) additional 1873 real estate owners- 26 lines
Seredzius (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 217 lines
Seredzius (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners - 222 lines
Siauliai Dist. Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Telsiai Dist.-Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Vabalninkas (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -118 lines
Birzai (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -133 lines
Linkuva (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -112 lines
Pakruojis (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -124 lines
Pasvalys (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -195 lines
Pusalotas (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -65 lines
Salociai (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -22 lines
Vandziogala (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 40 lines
Veliuona (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 101 lines
Vilijampole (Kaunas)1874 real estate owners - 715 lines
Vilkija (Kaunas) Real Estate Owners -1873 - KRA - 400 lines (Translated by
volunteer Malcom Singer)
Zarasai Dist.-Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 4 lines
Zeimiai (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 10 lines

Following are Internal Passport Records that were translated.
Imbradas (Zarasai) JU19685-JU19696 - 44 records
Jurbarkas (Raseiniai) J8879-J9527 - 1921-1930 List Only -770 records
Salakas (Zarasai) JU19273-JU19684 - 581 records
Siauliai - G15327-G15782 - 1924 - List Only - 555 records
Vilkaviskis & Kybartai (Suwalki) J9528 - J9531 - 19 records
Vilnius - JU19697-JU20056 - 600 records
Vilnius - JU20057-JU20427 - 600 records
Zarasai Uyezd JU19236-JU19272-Lists-50 records

For additional information about Lithuania Internal Passports,
please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Litvak SIG Records Acquisition Report - 1st Quarter, 2013 #general

Howard Margol
 

Following is a list of the records that were translated during January,
February, and March, 2013.

Most of these lists are now available on the various Vilnius District
Research Group websites. DRGroup members are able to view the records right
away. After a period of 18 months, the records will be available at no charge
on the Litvak SIG ALD as well as on the JewishGen Lithuania Database.

Howard Margol
Litvak SIG Coordinator for Records Acquisition

Kybartai (Suwalki) Tax payers - 1912-1914 139 lines
Lazdijai (Suwalki) Marriages -1877-1907- 244 records
Lentvaris (Trakai) Deaths-1916-1940 81 records
Lentvaris (Trakai) Marriages/ Divorces-1916-1940 420 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Deaths-1923-1940- 85 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Divorces-1921-1940- 34 records
Naujoji Vilna (Vilnius) Marriages-1881-1940- 1238 records
Oshmiany - Births - 1854-1861 - 283 records 5
Panevezys District - Family lists of conscripts - 1915 1,812 lines
Prienai (Suwalki) Deaths - 1810-1862 (not all years included) - 871
records
Sejny (Suwalki) births - 1880-1882 - 232 records
Sejny (Suwalki) deaths - 1880-1882 - 169 records
Sejny (Suwalki) marriages - 1880-1882 - 45 records
Siauliai District - Family lists of conscripts - 1915 - 2,266 lines
Suwalki gub.- List of drinking establishments - 1907-1909 - 58 lines
Telsiai District - Family lists of conscripts = 1915 - 78 lines
Trakai (city) Births - 1876-1913 - 997 records
Ukmerge State Savings Bank -1891-1918 - 3,153 lines
Valkininkai (Trakai) Births (recovered)-1870-1916 - 47 records
Valkininkai (Trakai) Deaths 1887-1940 -.TOTAL - 935 records
Valkininkai (Trakai) Marriages (recovered)-1890-1932 - 7 records
Varena (Trakai) Marriages -Divorces - 1881-1915 - 318 records
Vievis (Trakai) Births - 1882-1913 - 344 records
Vilkaviskis (Suwalki)- Tax payers - 1912-1914 - 834 lines
Vilnius Births 1854-1856 - 1,106 records
Vilnius Deaths 1913 - 1,181 records
Virbalis (Suwalki)- Tax payers - 1912-1914 - 282 lines
Zarasai District - Family lists of conscripts -1914 - 399 lines

The following Punsk & Krasnopol records translated by a Volunteer
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Births - 1882-1885 - 112 records
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Marriages - 1882-1885 - 28 records
Krasnopol (Suwalki-Sejny Dist) Deaths - 1882-1885 - 42 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Births- 1868-1875- 182 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Deaths 1868-1875- 70 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Marriages- 1868-1875- 34 records

Sam Aaron (Volunteer) extracted the following Riga records (Lithuanian
connection)
Riga vital records (Extracts)
Riga 1897 census (Extracts)

Dorothy Leivers - Volunteer - translated the Seirijai and Punsk records
Punsk (Suwalki) Births- 1866-1867- 92 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Deaths- 1866-1867- 16 records
Punsk (Suwalki) Marriages- 1866-1867- 12 records
Seirija(Suwalki)i Marriages - 1827-1854 - 232 records
Seirijai (Suwalki) Deaths -1826-1856 - 702 records
Seirijai(Suwalki) Births - 1826-1856 - 535 records
Trakai Marriages 1881-1897 - 241 records
Ariogala (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 224 lines
Ariogala (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners- 220 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1844-1845 taxpayers-unable to pay- 52 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1869-1875 passport issuance records- 263 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1871 military list - 310 lines
Babtai (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 52 lines
Cekiske (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 60 lines
Cekiske (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners - 63 lines
Emigration-Eretz Israel (Part 2) -AZ194-AZ348-259 lines
Emigration-Eretz Israel (Part 3) -AZ349-AZ422 -133 lines
Kaunas 1873 real estate owners KRA/I - 61/1/1050 - 729 lines
Kaunas Dist. Soldiers on vacation -1862 - 5 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1925 - born in 1902-1,767 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1925 - born in 1903 = 1,884 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1926 - born in 1904 -1,274 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1926 - born in 1905 - 1,424 lines
Kaunas draftee list-registered in 1930 - born in 1909 - 1,791 lines
Krakes (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 169 lines
Palestine Office (Misrad Erez Israel) 1929-1940 - 1,362 lines
Panevezys - Owners of mortgaged property - 1910 - 43 lines
Panevezys - Owners of mortgaged property -1911 -90 lines
Pumpenai (Panevezys) Owners of Insured Property 1910 152 lines
Raiseniai Dist. Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Rumsiskes (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 189 lines
Rumsiskes (Kaunas) additional 1873 real estate owners- 26 lines
Seredzius (Kaunas) 1872 real estate owners - 217 lines
Seredzius (Kaunas) 1873 real estate owners - 222 lines
Siauliai Dist. Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Telsiai Dist.-Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 9 lines
Vabalninkas (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -118 lines
Birzai (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -133 lines
Linkuva (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -112 lines
Pakruojis (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -124 lines
Pasvalys (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -195 lines
Pusalotas (Panevezys) Owners of insured property -1910 -65 lines
Salociai (Panevezys) Owners of insured property - 1910 -22 lines
Vandziogala (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 40 lines
Veliuona (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 101 lines
Vilijampole (Kaunas)1874 real estate owners - 715 lines
Vilkija (Kaunas) Real Estate Owners -1873 - KRA - 400 lines (Translated by
volunteer Malcom Singer)
Zarasai Dist.-Soldiers on vacation - 1862 - 4 lines
Zeimiai (Kaunas) 1872 & 1873 real estate owners - 10 lines

Following are Internal Passport Records that were translated.
Imbradas (Zarasai) JU19685-JU19696 - 44 records
Jurbarkas (Raseiniai) J8879-J9527 - 1921-1930 List Only -770 records
Salakas (Zarasai) JU19273-JU19684 - 581 records
Siauliai - G15327-G15782 - 1924 - List Only - 555 records
Vilkaviskis & Kybartai (Suwalki) J9528 - J9531 - 19 records
Vilnius - JU19697-JU20056 - 600 records
Vilnius - JU20057-JU20427 - 600 records
Zarasai Uyezd JU19236-JU19272-Lists-50 records

For additional information about Lithuania Internal Passports,
please go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm


Including a suicide in a family history #general

Davida Handler <davida.handler@...>
 

When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?

Davida Noyek Handler
Henderson, NV, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Including a suicide in a family history #general

Davida Handler <davida.handler@...>
 

When writing a family history, is it necessary, or even permissible,
to publish the suicide of an ancestor, no matter how many generations
back that this occurred, and no living descendants who ever even knew
the person? Is the "right to know" applicable to all family members,
or is it best to simply mention the date of death, with no inclusion
of this information? Is the risk of hurting descendants, even if at
least 4 generations removed more important than the facts?

Davida Noyek Handler
Henderson, NV, USA


BARENBAUM family in Argentina #general

Jenny Schwartzberg
 

Dear Genners,

My cousin Frada Boxer is currently visiting Argentina and she was hoping
to find the family of her grandfather's brothers.

We know that her great-grandfather, Itzhak Shimon Barenbaum, was a Torah
scribe. His son Jacob Mordecai Barenbaum (1866-1949) was born inPovitye
near Divin, Kobrin uyezd, Grodno gubernia, Russia now Belarus. He settled in
Chicago but the family remembers that his brothers went to Argentina.
No one remembers their names or their children's names.

We are hoping that some Argentine genners may recognize this family.
Please contact me at schwartzbergj@newberry.org and I will pass the emails
on to my cousin.

Yours,
Jenny Schwartzberg
Chicago, IL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BARENBAUM family in Argentina #general

Jenny Schwartzberg
 

Dear Genners,

My cousin Frada Boxer is currently visiting Argentina and she was hoping
to find the family of her grandfather's brothers.

We know that her great-grandfather, Itzhak Shimon Barenbaum, was a Torah
scribe. His son Jacob Mordecai Barenbaum (1866-1949) was born inPovitye
near Divin, Kobrin uyezd, Grodno gubernia, Russia now Belarus. He settled in
Chicago but the family remembers that his brothers went to Argentina.
No one remembers their names or their children's names.

We are hoping that some Argentine genners may recognize this family.
Please contact me at schwartzbergj@newberry.org and I will pass the emails
on to my cousin.

Yours,
Jenny Schwartzberg
Chicago, IL


'Sherwalk' Re: Ship 'Westernland' - on Ancestry, arrival 23 June 1901 - #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Edith Lueke wrote on 26 apr 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I'm a new member, I'm >from Rochester MN, and I'm going over the
passenger list of the above mentioned ship, upon which many immigrants
from Lithuania came to the United States. Specifically, the origin
place for many is listed on Ancestry as 'Sherwalk'. I can't find any
such place; and when looking at the images, the place looks different.
Could anyone have a look for me, perhaps a list member knows these
places well.
'Sherwalk'

JewishGen Gazetteer shows many "populated places", like:

Sarbalyk
Sarapulka
Sarybalyk
Tsyerablichy
Tserevoloki
Zhuravlikha


Ellis island <http://ellisisland.org/> does not list any arrival on that
ship in 1901 after april, could you be more specific by giving some names
of arrivals?

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 'Sherwalk' Re: Ship 'Westernland' - on Ancestry, arrival 23 June 1901 - #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Edith Lueke wrote on 26 apr 2013 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I'm a new member, I'm >from Rochester MN, and I'm going over the
passenger list of the above mentioned ship, upon which many immigrants
from Lithuania came to the United States. Specifically, the origin
place for many is listed on Ancestry as 'Sherwalk'. I can't find any
such place; and when looking at the images, the place looks different.
Could anyone have a look for me, perhaps a list member knows these
places well.
'Sherwalk'

JewishGen Gazetteer shows many "populated places", like:

Sarbalyk
Sarapulka
Sarybalyk
Tsyerablichy
Tserevoloki
Zhuravlikha


Ellis island <http://ellisisland.org/> does not list any arrival on that
ship in 1901 after april, could you be more specific by giving some names
of arrivals?

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


GLICK family from South Africa (originally Russia) #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Please will you check your trees to see if you have a GLICK family listed?

I am looking for Benjamin GLICK (b 1860 Russia d 1942 Cape Town) who may be
a relative. I found a photo of his stone in a cemetery called "Maitland Gate 8".
It can be seen at:
https://www.jewishcemetery.co.za/deceaseds/view/18165

In 1942 he had a wife and children (no grandchildren are mentioned on the
stone). One of the children could have been called Harry (Tzvi).

I would also like to post this appeal on the South African equivalent
genealogy site.

If you know the email address to which I should send this appeal, could you
advise me?

Please send any replies to me directly. My email address is:
daniel@lobbus.co.uk

Thank you,
Daniel Gleek in London

Also searching for:
Sheila nee KELLER b about 1920 in London. Went to USA/Canada.
Norman WALDEN b about 1915 in UK. Went to Montreal, Canada.
Siblings Solly, Johnny, Abraham, Martha HERMAN b 1902-9 London; went to NYC.
Siblings Morris, Max and Mary NIMAN b 1893-7 in Glasgow, Scotland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GLICK family from South Africa (originally Russia) #general

Daniel Gleek
 

Please will you check your trees to see if you have a GLICK family listed?

I am looking for Benjamin GLICK (b 1860 Russia d 1942 Cape Town) who may be
a relative. I found a photo of his stone in a cemetery called "Maitland Gate 8".
It can be seen at:
https://www.jewishcemetery.co.za/deceaseds/view/18165

In 1942 he had a wife and children (no grandchildren are mentioned on the
stone). One of the children could have been called Harry (Tzvi).

I would also like to post this appeal on the South African equivalent
genealogy site.

If you know the email address to which I should send this appeal, could you
advise me?

Please send any replies to me directly. My email address is:
daniel@lobbus.co.uk

Thank you,
Daniel Gleek in London

Also searching for:
Sheila nee KELLER b about 1920 in London. Went to USA/Canada.
Norman WALDEN b about 1915 in UK. Went to Montreal, Canada.
Siblings Solly, Johnny, Abraham, Martha HERMAN b 1902-9 London; went to NYC.
Siblings Morris, Max and Mary NIMAN b 1893-7 in Glasgow, Scotland.


Re: subcarpathia digest: April 20, 2013 #subcarpathia

Beth Glaser <bethglaser52@...>
 

Any chance you will be in Egris or Nevetlenfalu, I have Goldglanz and
Mayer family I am loking for?

Thank you
Beth Glaser

MODERATOR NOTE 1:

I visited Nevetlenfalu in 2012 and will visit Egris (believed to be Oleshnyk
today) in 2013.

As far as B/M/D records are concerned >from any city, town or village in the
Transcarpathian Archive, I am currently working on this issue. More to follow
in a separate e-mail at a later date.


MODERATOR NOTE 2:

For the benefit of those of you new to this list or not familiar with the
places I have visited, there are two trip reports (2011 and 2012) which
document my travels. I will be writing a 2013 trip report. The 2011 and
2012 trip reports are found at the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG "Portal"

< http://www.jewishgen.org/sub-carpathia/ >

CLICK: Travel Planning, then Travel - Trip Reports.

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Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia Re: subcarpathia digest: April 20, 2013 #subcarpathia

Beth Glaser <bethglaser52@...>
 

Any chance you will be in Egris or Nevetlenfalu, I have Goldglanz and
Mayer family I am loking for?

Thank you
Beth Glaser

MODERATOR NOTE 1:

I visited Nevetlenfalu in 2012 and will visit Egris (believed to be Oleshnyk
today) in 2013.

As far as B/M/D records are concerned >from any city, town or village in the
Transcarpathian Archive, I am currently working on this issue. More to follow
in a separate e-mail at a later date.


MODERATOR NOTE 2:

For the benefit of those of you new to this list or not familiar with the
places I have visited, there are two trip reports (2011 and 2012) which
document my travels. I will be writing a 2013 trip report. The 2011 and
2012 trip reports are found at the JewishGen Sub-Carpathia SIG "Portal"

< http://www.jewishgen.org/sub-carpathia/ >

CLICK: Travel Planning, then Travel - Trip Reports.

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