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Subject: Re: 1911 Canadian Census is now on-line! #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Genners:

Nick Landau >from the UK asked "What was the previous situation and what was
the argument for the change?" regarding the release of Canadian Census from
1911 forward. The best place to look up the history of this brouhaha is:
http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index7.htm
Which is >from the Global Gazette, Canada's Genealogy and Heritage Magazine.

In short, it was the position taken by Statistics Canada (the agency
charged with the responsibility of collecting the census every 5 years) that
no public access would be allowed to individual census records taken after
1901. They refused to transfer the records to the National Archivist to
allow public access after the 92 years passed since collection. Their
position: it was prohibited by law to release individual census records due
to a series of legal opinions based >from 1981-1985 >from Justice Canada. One
clause >from the 1906 Census and Statistics Act assured respondents that
information given could not be used for taxation or other "contemporary"
concerns. Evidently this was a clause that had been in census since 1871
but first time the instructions were taken as "a rule of law".

A full explanation of the legal opinions and why it was determined they
were flawed -- which led to the 5 year legislative battle is explained at
the URL above.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee Chairperson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Subject: Re: 1911 Canadian Census is now on-line! #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Dear Genners:

Nick Landau >from the UK asked "What was the previous situation and what was
the argument for the change?" regarding the release of Canadian Census from
1911 forward. The best place to look up the history of this brouhaha is:
http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index7.htm
Which is >from the Global Gazette, Canada's Genealogy and Heritage Magazine.

In short, it was the position taken by Statistics Canada (the agency
charged with the responsibility of collecting the census every 5 years) that
no public access would be allowed to individual census records taken after
1901. They refused to transfer the records to the National Archivist to
allow public access after the 92 years passed since collection. Their
position: it was prohibited by law to release individual census records due
to a series of legal opinions based >from 1981-1985 >from Justice Canada. One
clause >from the 1906 Census and Statistics Act assured respondents that
information given could not be used for taxation or other "contemporary"
concerns. Evidently this was a clause that had been in census since 1871
but first time the instructions were taken as "a rule of law".

A full explanation of the legal opinions and why it was determined they
were flawed -- which led to the 5 year legislative battle is explained at
the URL above.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee Chairperson


swastikas #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

On Jul 23, 2005, at 09:00 AM, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:

==There was a vintner named Hoshea in Second Temple era Judea who sealed his
wine jugs with swastikas embellishing his name. In the 2nd-3rd century
synagogue at Kfar Nahum (Capernaum), near the point where the Jordan flows into
the Sea of Galilee, a magen david and a swastika were placed side by side. I
doubt we can say either of these is related to Nazism. If you look hard enough,
I'm sure you'll find some 18th or 19th century Jewish relic decorated with a
row of swastikas--but that is no indicator that these Jews were anti-semites.
We shouldn't forget that the swastika is an ancient Hindu good luck
sign and that accursed hitler thought it was an aryan symbol.

Martha


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen swastikas #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

On Jul 23, 2005, at 09:00 AM, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:

==There was a vintner named Hoshea in Second Temple era Judea who sealed his
wine jugs with swastikas embellishing his name. In the 2nd-3rd century
synagogue at Kfar Nahum (Capernaum), near the point where the Jordan flows into
the Sea of Galilee, a magen david and a swastika were placed side by side. I
doubt we can say either of these is related to Nazism. If you look hard enough,
I'm sure you'll find some 18th or 19th century Jewish relic decorated with a
row of swastikas--but that is no indicator that these Jews were anti-semites.
We shouldn't forget that the swastika is an ancient Hindu good luck
sign and that accursed hitler thought it was an aryan symbol.

Martha


to Seattle in 1890 #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Don't forget that the Klondike gold rush started around this time and
that by 1897 it was a full fledged jackpot, bringing great wealth and
many people to Seattle.

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen to Seattle in 1890 #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Don't forget that the Klondike gold rush started around this time and
that by 1897 it was a full fledged jackpot, bringing great wealth and
many people to Seattle.

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


Recorded IAJGS Conerence Sessions Ready for Shipment #general

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear 'Genners..
We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks! <g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lectures" >from the Topic drop down box.
The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Recorded IAJGS Conerence Sessions Ready for Shipment #general

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

Dear 'Genners..
We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks! <g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lectures" >from the Topic drop down box.
The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects


Romanian Archives Question #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <SorinG@...>
 

One question for those who were involved in the contacts with the
Romanians.
There are two possible types of records: Romanian records and the
records kept by the jewish communities. Do they hold both types of
records ? If so - is there anyone who can read the Jewish one (if those
were kept in Idish ??)


Thanks,
Sorin Goldenberg,


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian Archives Question #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <SorinG@...>
 

One question for those who were involved in the contacts with the
Romanians.
There are two possible types of records: Romanian records and the
records kept by the jewish communities. Do they hold both types of
records ? If so - is there anyone who can read the Jewish one (if those
were kept in Idish ??)


Thanks,
Sorin Goldenberg,


Re: Rosie (FREINDLICH) and Moses SAMLAN #romania

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Arnold,
As of yesterday July 21, the 1911 Canada Census has been released to
the public, and its images are browseable online at
<http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html>.. If
you can find your great-grandmother listed,you may learn more about her.

This Census asks the year of immigration, and the citizenship status
of each resident. It notes the country they're a citizen of, and
either the year of naturalization, that they'd begun the process
("papers"), or leaves it blank if they weren't a citizen. It also
asks the month, year, and country of birth.

Since the census is not yet indexed, I'll suggest three options:
1) See if you can locate repositories which have City Directories
for Montreal. If she or her husband (or any other family ) is listed
in the 1911 edition, you can search for that address in the
census. If she's not in the 1911 Directory, try the 1910 or 1913
editions - maybe she didn't move. (or maybe her Montreal death
certificate gives a home address . . .)

In addition to the census itself, the Archives has posted maps for
the sub-districts. While you'll still have to search within each
sub-district, the maps are of great help. (I downloaded,
photoshop'ed, and printed the Toronto Centre map so I could mark the
sub-districts)

Between the City Directory and the maps, you may be able to find her family.

2) Guess which area of Montreal she lived in, and review each census
page for that area.

3) The indexing of the census will be a coordinated volunteer
effort. (You can choose what you want to index,but they'll make sure
no areas are duplicated) You can wait for others to index Montreal
--or assist in the project!

Be sure to consider spelling "variations" . . .

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 10:15 PM 7/20/2005, RavADS@aol.com wrote:
With the help of the JGS of Montreal, I recently located the grave
of my great grandmother Rosie (FREINDLICH) SAMLAN, who died March
21, 1915 and in buried in Back River Cemetery there. It is possible
that she was >from Romania.

She left one son, Abraham (my grandfather), born in February 1895.
He claimed to be born in Montreal, although we have no birth record
to confirm that.

I am trying to locate any information about Rosie's life, including
and especially Canadian/Quebec immigration information. I'm also
trying to locate any Romanian documents or records that might
shed some light on the life of her husband, Moses, about whom we
know only that he was born in Romania, supposedly died in a war --
family legend has it as the Spanish-American War. We have no burial
information.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Rosie (FREINDLICH) and Moses SAMLAN #romania

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

Dear Arnold,
As of yesterday July 21, the 1911 Canada Census has been released to
the public, and its images are browseable online at
<http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html>.. If
you can find your great-grandmother listed,you may learn more about her.

This Census asks the year of immigration, and the citizenship status
of each resident. It notes the country they're a citizen of, and
either the year of naturalization, that they'd begun the process
("papers"), or leaves it blank if they weren't a citizen. It also
asks the month, year, and country of birth.

Since the census is not yet indexed, I'll suggest three options:
1) See if you can locate repositories which have City Directories
for Montreal. If she or her husband (or any other family ) is listed
in the 1911 edition, you can search for that address in the
census. If she's not in the 1911 Directory, try the 1910 or 1913
editions - maybe she didn't move. (or maybe her Montreal death
certificate gives a home address . . .)

In addition to the census itself, the Archives has posted maps for
the sub-districts. While you'll still have to search within each
sub-district, the maps are of great help. (I downloaded,
photoshop'ed, and printed the Toronto Centre map so I could mark the
sub-districts)

Between the City Directory and the maps, you may be able to find her family.

2) Guess which area of Montreal she lived in, and review each census
page for that area.

3) The indexing of the census will be a coordinated volunteer
effort. (You can choose what you want to index,but they'll make sure
no areas are duplicated) You can wait for others to index Montreal
--or assist in the project!

Be sure to consider spelling "variations" . . .

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia

At 10:15 PM 7/20/2005, RavADS@aol.com wrote:
With the help of the JGS of Montreal, I recently located the grave
of my great grandmother Rosie (FREINDLICH) SAMLAN, who died March
21, 1915 and in buried in Back River Cemetery there. It is possible
that she was >from Romania.

She left one son, Abraham (my grandfather), born in February 1895.
He claimed to be born in Montreal, although we have no birth record
to confirm that.

I am trying to locate any information about Rosie's life, including
and especially Canadian/Quebec immigration information. I'm also
trying to locate any Romanian documents or records that might
shed some light on the life of her husband, Moses, about whom we
know only that he was born in Romania, supposedly died in a war --
family legend has it as the Spanish-American War. We have no burial
information.


GREBENCHIK/Samokhvalovichi #belarus

Stewart Alter <stewart_alter@...>
 

I am researching the family of GREBENCHIK (name
changed to RUBIN in the U.S.).

Based on the Minsk Uyezd surnames list compiled by
Vitaly Charny, it would seem that my grandparents
(surname Grebenchik) lived in Samokhvalovichi prior to
emigrating.

I am looking for ways to confirm this perhaps in
marriage (my grandmother’s maiden name was KLATCHKO),
birth or census records associated with
Samokhvalovichi.

Can anyone recommend any ways to proceed with this
research? Assuming this information can be confirmed,
I would then also be interested in information about
Samokhvalovichi.

Thank you.

Stewart Alter
New York
Stewart_Alter@yahoo.com
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Belarus SIG #Belarus GREBENCHIK/Samokhvalovichi #belarus

Stewart Alter <stewart_alter@...>
 

I am researching the family of GREBENCHIK (name
changed to RUBIN in the U.S.).

Based on the Minsk Uyezd surnames list compiled by
Vitaly Charny, it would seem that my grandparents
(surname Grebenchik) lived in Samokhvalovichi prior to
emigrating.

I am looking for ways to confirm this perhaps in
marriage (my grandmother’s maiden name was KLATCHKO),
birth or census records associated with
Samokhvalovichi.

Can anyone recommend any ways to proceed with this
research? Assuming this information can be confirmed,
I would then also be interested in information about
Samokhvalovichi.

Thank you.

Stewart Alter
New York
Stewart_Alter@yahoo.com
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and some searching various spellings of your names.


researching : BAUER, GOLD, MUELLER,STRASSER - Innsbruck #austria-czech

Ron Bower <ruebin7@...>
 

Hi Listers,
I am researching my family who lived in Innsbruck >from about 1909
till 1939. I have tried the local community , but have not go very
far there. The Names I am researching are BAUER, GOLD, MUELLER,STRASSER.

I am, planning a trip there next year, and would like to know the
state of the Jewish Cemetery "Westfriedhof". My GGF lipot GOLD died
there in 1926, my GF Julius BAUER in April 1934, and my uncle Wilhelm
BAUER ,9Nov 1938. Who would I write to for death certificates etc.

Thanks
Ron Bower
Melbourne
Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech researching : BAUER, GOLD, MUELLER,STRASSER - Innsbruck #austria-czech

Ron Bower <ruebin7@...>
 

Hi Listers,
I am researching my family who lived in Innsbruck >from about 1909
till 1939. I have tried the local community , but have not go very
far there. The Names I am researching are BAUER, GOLD, MUELLER,STRASSER.

I am, planning a trip there next year, and would like to know the
state of the Jewish Cemetery "Westfriedhof". My GGF lipot GOLD died
there in 1926, my GF Julius BAUER in April 1934, and my uncle Wilhelm
BAUER ,9Nov 1938. Who would I write to for death certificates etc.

Thanks
Ron Bower
Melbourne
Australia


GUTTMANN - The Five "Familiantin" of Tabor Stadt, 1793 #austria-czech

Ariane Mil
 

Dear Genners

I would like to introduce myself. I am a new member
and I saw Celia's SOS this morning about deleting a
spam mail. She was correct - I did reply privately to
her mail called The Five *Familiantin* of Tabor Stadt,
1793! I hoped she might be able to help me answer some
of these questions. However Celia suggested I also
post them to the whole SIG - so here is my first
posting:

I found the article on the Familantin of Tabor very interesting.
I myself am a born GUTTMANN living in Switzerland.
In July, I was in Prague, where I found in the archives
[register books of birth) information about both my gtgt-grandparents.

My GUTTMANNs moved to Prague in June 1894, where some
of their children were born. Before moving to Prague,
my gt-grandparents lived in Nowy Sacz (Neu-Sandez) and
Wishnitz (Wisnicz).

What I would like to know is:

1. Are the Tabor GUTTMANN families related to mine?

2. How are Tabor - Nowy Sacz - Wisnitz (Visnice)
connected to each other?

3. Are the GUTTMANN families in this area related to
each other?

4. When and why did they leave this area for Prague?
i.e.

5. During WWI und WWII many Jews left for Vienna,
Amsterdam and other European countries and then to
the US. Are there any sources to trace back these
different migrations in order to find living family
members?

6. Here is an insight into our GUTTMANN tree:

Moses (Moritz) GUTTMANN (ca.1830 - ca. 1896) married
Broche Stiel (? - ca. 1909) (living in Wisnicz)

son: Simon (Simmel) GUTTMANN (born in Wisnicz
01.12.1856 - Prag, 24.02.1937) married
Jetty BUCHSBAUM (Nowy Sacz = N.S. 12.11.1858 -
Terezin 29.09.1942) married 24.05.1878 Prague.

2. Son, name not known, who had a son with name
Julius (or Isi) GUTTMANN who was an opera singer at
the German Opera in Prague, died in London after WWII.

Children of Simon and Jetty GUTTMANN-BUCHSBAUM:

Nathan Guttmann (N.S. 28.11.1881 - Auschwitz Dec.
1942) - he was a rabbi in Paciv.

Heinrich (Chaim) GUTTMANN (N.S. 25.05.1888 -
Basel/Switzerland 09.02.1947) [my grandfather]

Max GUTTMANN (Prague 17.03.1897 - Prag 26.09.1955) He
was a chasan

Leopold GUTTMANN (Prague 25.04.1898 -
London after WWII)

Gustav GUTTMANN (Prague 18.06.1900 - New York Aug.
1971) [changed his name to GODWIN]

Olga GUTTMANN (Prague 11.04.1904 - Lengnau Switzerland
18.05.1872)

son of Heinrich (Chaim)

Max GUTTMANN (Basel 1916)

myself (daughter of Max GUTTMANN)
Ariane GUTTMANN married Richard Mil

7. Are there copies of the Familianten books to find
out if the above names of my GUTTMANN are listed?

I hope someone can help me find out more about my
family.

Ariane Mil. Zurich, Switzerland


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech GUTTMANN - The Five "Familiantin" of Tabor Stadt, 1793 #austria-czech

Ariane Mil
 

Dear Genners

I would like to introduce myself. I am a new member
and I saw Celia's SOS this morning about deleting a
spam mail. She was correct - I did reply privately to
her mail called The Five *Familiantin* of Tabor Stadt,
1793! I hoped she might be able to help me answer some
of these questions. However Celia suggested I also
post them to the whole SIG - so here is my first
posting:

I found the article on the Familantin of Tabor very interesting.
I myself am a born GUTTMANN living in Switzerland.
In July, I was in Prague, where I found in the archives
[register books of birth) information about both my gtgt-grandparents.

My GUTTMANNs moved to Prague in June 1894, where some
of their children were born. Before moving to Prague,
my gt-grandparents lived in Nowy Sacz (Neu-Sandez) and
Wishnitz (Wisnicz).

What I would like to know is:

1. Are the Tabor GUTTMANN families related to mine?

2. How are Tabor - Nowy Sacz - Wisnitz (Visnice)
connected to each other?

3. Are the GUTTMANN families in this area related to
each other?

4. When and why did they leave this area for Prague?
i.e.

5. During WWI und WWII many Jews left for Vienna,
Amsterdam and other European countries and then to
the US. Are there any sources to trace back these
different migrations in order to find living family
members?

6. Here is an insight into our GUTTMANN tree:

Moses (Moritz) GUTTMANN (ca.1830 - ca. 1896) married
Broche Stiel (? - ca. 1909) (living in Wisnicz)

son: Simon (Simmel) GUTTMANN (born in Wisnicz
01.12.1856 - Prag, 24.02.1937) married
Jetty BUCHSBAUM (Nowy Sacz = N.S. 12.11.1858 -
Terezin 29.09.1942) married 24.05.1878 Prague.

2. Son, name not known, who had a son with name
Julius (or Isi) GUTTMANN who was an opera singer at
the German Opera in Prague, died in London after WWII.

Children of Simon and Jetty GUTTMANN-BUCHSBAUM:

Nathan Guttmann (N.S. 28.11.1881 - Auschwitz Dec.
1942) - he was a rabbi in Paciv.

Heinrich (Chaim) GUTTMANN (N.S. 25.05.1888 -
Basel/Switzerland 09.02.1947) [my grandfather]

Max GUTTMANN (Prague 17.03.1897 - Prag 26.09.1955) He
was a chasan

Leopold GUTTMANN (Prague 25.04.1898 -
London after WWII)

Gustav GUTTMANN (Prague 18.06.1900 - New York Aug.
1971) [changed his name to GODWIN]

Olga GUTTMANN (Prague 11.04.1904 - Lengnau Switzerland
18.05.1872)

son of Heinrich (Chaim)

Max GUTTMANN (Basel 1916)

myself (daughter of Max GUTTMANN)
Ariane GUTTMANN married Richard Mil

7. Are there copies of the Familianten books to find
out if the above names of my GUTTMANN are listed?

I hope someone can help me find out more about my
family.

Ariane Mil. Zurich, Switzerland


researching: WAISENBERG #austria-czech

mark
 

Dear Genners
I am new on your SIG
I am searching WAISENBERG, BRANDWAIN,SHEVELEV,BEIZMAN,KRIFKE,BELENKI,
SOSNOVSKI,KURITZ
Places:Ostrog,Zdolbunow,Zvil,Rovno,Warsaw,Zelechow,Gorodishche,
Shpola,Saratov

WajsenbergMark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech researching: WAISENBERG #austria-czech

mark
 

Dear Genners
I am new on your SIG
I am searching WAISENBERG, BRANDWAIN,SHEVELEV,BEIZMAN,KRIFKE,BELENKI,
SOSNOVSKI,KURITZ
Places:Ostrog,Zdolbunow,Zvil,Rovno,Warsaw,Zelechow,Gorodishche,
Shpola,Saratov

WajsenbergMark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Mark, your first move should be to register the names
and places you are researching on the JewishGen Family Finder, so that
others can connect with you and share research. See:
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