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Sunday 2/21/99, The Last Days At the DIA #general

Leatrager@...
 

Why didn't I think of this sooner??? On Sunday night at 7:00p.m. there
is going to be the last showing of the Documentary Film The Last Days.
It is the narrative of Holocaust Survivors through the Steven Spielberg
Foundation, and it refers to the deportation and murder of the Jews of
Hungary and those regions Hungary had occupied during W.W.II. Sidney
Bolkosky did a review of the movie in the Jewish News on pps.82-84, and
it is also up for the Best Documentary of 1999.
I will be leaving the JCC at 5:35pm on Sunday and would be delighted to
drive to the DIA and maybe hook up with those of you South oF Detroit.
How about a discussion afterwards at a coffee shop?
Just e-mail me and I will contact you tomorrow night.

Lea Trager
leatrager@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sunday 2/21/99, The Last Days At the DIA #general

Leatrager@...
 

Why didn't I think of this sooner??? On Sunday night at 7:00p.m. there
is going to be the last showing of the Documentary Film The Last Days.
It is the narrative of Holocaust Survivors through the Steven Spielberg
Foundation, and it refers to the deportation and murder of the Jews of
Hungary and those regions Hungary had occupied during W.W.II. Sidney
Bolkosky did a review of the movie in the Jewish News on pps.82-84, and
it is also up for the Best Documentary of 1999.
I will be leaving the JCC at 5:35pm on Sunday and would be delighted to
drive to the DIA and maybe hook up with those of you South oF Detroit.
How about a discussion afterwards at a coffee shop?
Just e-mail me and I will contact you tomorrow night.

Lea Trager
leatrager@aol.com


Searching LUBELSKY/LUBELSKI Argentina via Suwalki #general

Brichg@...
 

I am trying to find descendents of a Mottel Lubelsky & his wife Toibe
Gitla(KLEINMAN)LUBELSKY. They were >from Suwalki/ Augustow area. Most of
their children went to New York, but a few remained in Poland with their
parents & probably perished. But, three daughters went to Buenos Aires,
Argentina around 1928.
Mary, Dora & Rebecca. Mary we know arrived on the S.S. Almanzora. In 1928
she was working as a servant girl for a Marcos CZCIENCIELSKY, he had a
furniture factory. Their names would have become Spanish equivalents. They
had relatives of their father's side of the family already there.

I hope this is familiar to someone out there, I'm sure we've got cousins &
share the same grt.grandparents , Isaac & Jennie Kleinman.
Thank you much,
Betsy Gilon
Brichg@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching LUBELSKY/LUBELSKI Argentina via Suwalki #general

Brichg@...
 

I am trying to find descendents of a Mottel Lubelsky & his wife Toibe
Gitla(KLEINMAN)LUBELSKY. They were >from Suwalki/ Augustow area. Most of
their children went to New York, but a few remained in Poland with their
parents & probably perished. But, three daughters went to Buenos Aires,
Argentina around 1928.
Mary, Dora & Rebecca. Mary we know arrived on the S.S. Almanzora. In 1928
she was working as a servant girl for a Marcos CZCIENCIELSKY, he had a
furniture factory. Their names would have become Spanish equivalents. They
had relatives of their father's side of the family already there.

I hope this is familiar to someone out there, I'm sure we've got cousins &
share the same grt.grandparents , Isaac & Jennie Kleinman.
Thank you much,
Betsy Gilon
Brichg@aol.com


Re: Rabbi's Encyclopedia #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

In answer to your message Myra, Rev. was used frequently in those days and
interchangeable with Rabbi.

I am Research RUDNICK, and I also noticed that the Rabbi that married my folks
was called RABBI BARNET RUDNICK >from Brooklyn. That was in the year 1919.

Does anyone know if the book at the Library would have any information about a
Rabbi Barnet RUDNICK?

Beatrice Swart
Tamarac, Florida
BSwart10@aol.com

Researching: RUDNICK, SWART, KALSTEIN


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Rabbi's Encyclopedia #belarus

BSwart10@...
 

In answer to your message Myra, Rev. was used frequently in those days and
interchangeable with Rabbi.

I am Research RUDNICK, and I also noticed that the Rabbi that married my folks
was called RABBI BARNET RUDNICK >from Brooklyn. That was in the year 1919.

Does anyone know if the book at the Library would have any information about a
Rabbi Barnet RUDNICK?

Beatrice Swart
Tamarac, Florida
BSwart10@aol.com

Researching: RUDNICK, SWART, KALSTEIN


Rochester,NY lookup #general

Seesiegel@...
 

I am looking for assistance for an obituary lookup for Louis ROTTENBERG
(Rotenberg), died, Last week in May or first week in June, 1933, in
Rochester, N.Y. Please email me privately at seesiegel@aol.com

Thankyou,
Carolyn R. Siegel
New Mexico


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rochester,NY lookup #general

Seesiegel@...
 

I am looking for assistance for an obituary lookup for Louis ROTTENBERG
(Rotenberg), died, Last week in May or first week in June, 1933, in
Rochester, N.Y. Please email me privately at seesiegel@aol.com

Thankyou,
Carolyn R. Siegel
New Mexico


REF: Standards for Family History #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Please allow me to disagree with Herbert.

I just completed a family history book of over 160 pages. It contains
family trees, documents of familiar or historical importance, description
about my shtetl when I was young (ha, ha), my youth, how my parents and
grandparents lived there, their business and personal affairs, many
pictures (old photographs), some family gossips and funny stories, and
more, much more, hopefully written in a gay and joyful spirit. It also
contains my memoirs of the Shoah period. It remembers all my relatives who
were murdered by the nazis.

I would dare to say that a family history book should be written in a
literary style such as a romance or fiction. I would also suggest that it
has to be written with the heart not with journalistic coldness. If so, it
certainly will make much better reading then obituaries :-)

regards to all
Tom

Herbert Gursky wrote:

| ...and obituaries, which are news stories. In particular obituaries may
| contain unflattering information such as unpleasant divorces, criminal
| activities or other information that could be embarassing to the
| family but essential to the journalist.
| I believe this is an approach that we can adopt in preparing a family
| history. The same article notes that obituaries are among the most
| popular sections of a newspaper...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen REF: Standards for Family History #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Please allow me to disagree with Herbert.

I just completed a family history book of over 160 pages. It contains
family trees, documents of familiar or historical importance, description
about my shtetl when I was young (ha, ha), my youth, how my parents and
grandparents lived there, their business and personal affairs, many
pictures (old photographs), some family gossips and funny stories, and
more, much more, hopefully written in a gay and joyful spirit. It also
contains my memoirs of the Shoah period. It remembers all my relatives who
were murdered by the nazis.

I would dare to say that a family history book should be written in a
literary style such as a romance or fiction. I would also suggest that it
has to be written with the heart not with journalistic coldness. If so, it
certainly will make much better reading then obituaries :-)

regards to all
Tom

Herbert Gursky wrote:

| ...and obituaries, which are news stories. In particular obituaries may
| contain unflattering information such as unpleasant divorces, criminal
| activities or other information that could be embarassing to the
| family but essential to the journalist.
| I believe this is an approach that we can adopt in preparing a family
| history. The same article notes that obituaries are among the most
| popular sections of a newspaper...


Re: LDS NY Passenger List #general

Carole/Phil Silverman
 

Hello Don,

The microfilm that you have contains the passenger list index. This index
tells you which passenger list microfilm the individual you are looking for
is on. The items on the index card are in the following order. Name,
age/sex, line#, passenger list# and volume #. Now you need to get the
passenger list microfilm with that volume #, then find the passenger list #
on that microfilm and then go to the line # on that list and the person you
are looking for should be there. Good luck.

Phil Silverman
Culver City, CA USA
carephil@pacbell.net

Cindy Gallard wrote:

I recently ordered and received a microfilm >from my local FHC. The film
was labeled New York Passenger list, July 1, 1902 - Dec., 1943. What it
consisted of was alphabetically arranged index cards which looked like
this:

David Rothblut 28m 24 71 6504

I assume the 28m means a male 28 years old. Can anyone tell what the
other numbers are and how I might use them to lead me to more
information?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS NY Passenger List #general

Carole/Phil Silverman
 

Hello Don,

The microfilm that you have contains the passenger list index. This index
tells you which passenger list microfilm the individual you are looking for
is on. The items on the index card are in the following order. Name,
age/sex, line#, passenger list# and volume #. Now you need to get the
passenger list microfilm with that volume #, then find the passenger list #
on that microfilm and then go to the line # on that list and the person you
are looking for should be there. Good luck.

Phil Silverman
Culver City, CA USA
carephil@pacbell.net

Cindy Gallard wrote:

I recently ordered and received a microfilm >from my local FHC. The film
was labeled New York Passenger list, July 1, 1902 - Dec., 1943. What it
consisted of was alphabetically arranged index cards which looked like
this:

David Rothblut 28m 24 71 6504

I assume the 28m means a male 28 years old. Can anyone tell what the
other numbers are and how I might use them to lead me to more
information?


Re: Searching for records in Ukraine #general

GRAMAW
 

I know there are synagogue "metric records" for Uman for around 1850
because I had some research (unsuccessful) done and they found a name in
those that wasn't related to me. Unless you read Russian, you would have
to hire someone to do the research for you. This is not inexpensive. I
paid $200 for nothing!
If you find a good source, however, I would love to know about it.
Myra Shalet, Leawood, KS (gramaw@aol.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for records in Ukraine #general

GRAMAW
 

I know there are synagogue "metric records" for Uman for around 1850
because I had some research (unsuccessful) done and they found a name in
those that wasn't related to me. Unless you read Russian, you would have
to hire someone to do the research for you. This is not inexpensive. I
paid $200 for nothing!
If you find a good source, however, I would love to know about it.
Myra Shalet, Leawood, KS (gramaw@aol.com)


Re: Zolkiew vital records #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rpollero@...>
 

Jane Lowenkron Foss wrote in part:

...my father's family was >from Zolkiew, now known as Zhovkva, and
Derevnia, a tiny near-by shtetl of about 100 people.

I noticed the Mormons had 3-4 microfilms of vital records from
Zolkiew and decided to extract them...
...the records generally are written in Cyrillic, and the names
are in Cyrillic and Polish...!
Peter Zavon, Gesher Galicia Family Finder Editor, contacted me about
this and said that if mid-19th century records are in Cyrillic, then
they are NOT for the Zolkiev which was in Galicia.

He added:

"Where Once We Walked [WOWW] lists a Zolkiew near Lublin, Poland
(formerly Russia) and I would expect THOSE records to be in Cyrillic
characters. Records in Cyrillic >from the Galician Zolkiew would have
to have been >from after 1920, and the Mormons have not had access to
such recent records, as far as I know."

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Severna Park, Maryland
Reply to: rpollero@umd5.umd.edu


MODERATOR NOTE: Galicia was in the Austrian Empire where records may
have been in Latin (pre 1877) or German and/or Polish. Refer to Suzan
Wynne's book, Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide,
published by Avotaynu, Inc. <http://www.avotaynu.com>


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Zolkiew vital records #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero <rpollero@...>
 

Jane Lowenkron Foss wrote in part:

...my father's family was >from Zolkiew, now known as Zhovkva, and
Derevnia, a tiny near-by shtetl of about 100 people.

I noticed the Mormons had 3-4 microfilms of vital records from
Zolkiew and decided to extract them...
...the records generally are written in Cyrillic, and the names
are in Cyrillic and Polish...!
Peter Zavon, Gesher Galicia Family Finder Editor, contacted me about
this and said that if mid-19th century records are in Cyrillic, then
they are NOT for the Zolkiev which was in Galicia.

He added:

"Where Once We Walked [WOWW] lists a Zolkiew near Lublin, Poland
(formerly Russia) and I would expect THOSE records to be in Cyrillic
characters. Records in Cyrillic >from the Galician Zolkiew would have
to have been >from after 1920, and the Mormons have not had access to
such recent records, as far as I know."

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Severna Park, Maryland
Reply to: rpollero@umd5.umd.edu


MODERATOR NOTE: Galicia was in the Austrian Empire where records may
have been in Latin (pre 1877) or German and/or Polish. Refer to Suzan
Wynne's book, Finding Your Jewish Roots in Galicia: A Resource Guide,
published by Avotaynu, Inc. <http://www.avotaynu.com>


Levirate marriages #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

On 18 Feb 99, at 0:01, JewishGen Discussion Group di wrote:

I believe it
was the custom then that when a women was widowed,
only if she had no children.

a brother of the deceased was considered eligible to marry his
sister-in-law.
This is called a levirate marriage, and although it defined as the
norm in the Bible, I believe that rabbinic authorites in all Jewish
communities ruled that it is no longer to be practiced. On the
other hand, the halitza - which is was required in the case that they
didn't want the levirate marriage - is still applicable.

In Hebrew it is called yibbum.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Only messages relevant to genealogy will be posted.
The merits, failings, advisability or any other comments pro or against
Levirate marriages cannot be discussed in this Forum.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Levirate marriages #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

On 18 Feb 99, at 0:01, JewishGen Discussion Group di wrote:

I believe it
was the custom then that when a women was widowed,
only if she had no children.

a brother of the deceased was considered eligible to marry his
sister-in-law.
This is called a levirate marriage, and although it defined as the
norm in the Bible, I believe that rabbinic authorites in all Jewish
communities ruled that it is no longer to be practiced. On the
other hand, the halitza - which is was required in the case that they
didn't want the levirate marriage - is still applicable.

In Hebrew it is called yibbum.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Only messages relevant to genealogy will be posted.
The merits, failings, advisability or any other comments pro or against
Levirate marriages cannot be discussed in this Forum.


Re: videos of Lithuania #lithuania

Andrew Cassel <andrew.cassel@...>
 

Liz,

I have video of Keidan, some of it copied >from a 16mm home movie shot in
1929 by Victor Kane, when his family returned for a visit; and also footage
which I took on my own trip in 1995. It's not professional, doesn't have
English narration and isn't really top quality; however, if anyone is
interested in a copy, we could discuss the logistics and costs of
duplication, etc.

Andy


On Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 AM, ESalen294@aol.com
[SMTP:ESalen294@aol.com] wrote:
Hello all.

This week's issue of The Jewish Week (a New York City newspaper) contains
a
small advertisement that reads:

Video of the town of your ancestors
any locality
in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia
aleksgen@mailcity.com

I post it here in case any of you are interested in it but also to ask if
anyone here has obtained such a video of Keidan.

Liz Salen

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Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania RE: videos of Lithuania #lithuania

Andrew Cassel <andrew.cassel@...>
 

Liz,

I have video of Keidan, some of it copied >from a 16mm home movie shot in
1929 by Victor Kane, when his family returned for a visit; and also footage
which I took on my own trip in 1995. It's not professional, doesn't have
English narration and isn't really top quality; however, if anyone is
interested in a copy, we could discuss the logistics and costs of
duplication, etc.

Andy


On Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 AM, ESalen294@aol.com
[SMTP:ESalen294@aol.com] wrote:
Hello all.

This week's issue of The Jewish Week (a New York City newspaper) contains
a
small advertisement that reads:

Video of the town of your ancestors
any locality
in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia
aleksgen@mailcity.com

I post it here in case any of you are interested in it but also to ask if
anyone here has obtained such a video of Keidan.

Liz Salen

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