Hi,

I have some questions about some unclear names and vital record forms.
These are on Viewmate and originate in vital records online at Family
Search, and I have provided links to the sources.

For the following I have already consulted the GNDB (Given Names
Database) on Jewish Gen, www.behindthename.com, Google, etc. The names
are for relatives born in Hanusfalu (Hanusovce nad Toplou) and may be
Hungarian or Hungarian-ized German or Yiddish, etc. The forms are in
German, >from mid-19th, but should be familiar for many.

I would that the unknown-named person is the same - or at least if the
name is the same - at these first two links.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34163
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34178

This third link is just about an unfamiliar name, "Hiczig":
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34164

All of the other instructions, desires etc. are at the Viewmate links.
Please respond there if possible.

Thank you!

Todd Edelman
Los Angeles

Researching:

KUNSTLER, SUSSHOLZ, RODER, WAHRMANN, ROTHMAN, WEISZ, GRUN, EDELMAN and
others in Hanusovce nad Toplou and other areas in eastern Slovakia

[MODERATOR: Please respond to Todd directly, or using the form
provided on ViewMate.]

Hi,

I have some questions about some unclear names and vital record forms.
These are on Viewmate and originate in vital records online at Family
Search, and I have provided links to the sources.

For the following I have already consulted the GNDB (Given Names
Database) on Jewish Gen, www.behindthename.com, Google, etc. The names
are for relatives born in Hanusfalu (Hanusovce nad Toplou) and may be
Hungarian or Hungarian-ized German or Yiddish, etc. The forms are in
German, >from mid-19th, but should be familiar for many.

I would that the unknown-named person is the same - or at least if the
name is the same - at these first two links.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34163
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34178

This third link is just about an unfamiliar name, "Hiczig":
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34164

All of the other instructions, desires etc. are at the Viewmate links.
Please respond there if possible.

Thank you!

Todd Edelman
Los Angeles

Researching:

KUNSTLER, SUSSHOLZ, RODER, WAHRMANN, ROTHMAN, WEISZ, GRUN, EDELMAN and
others in Hanusovce nad Toplou and other areas in eastern Slovakia

[MODERATOR: Please respond to Todd directly, or using the form
provided on ViewMate.]

I've posted a photo to ViewMate and looking for help identifying the
woman on it. Someone in our family believes that this is a daughter of
my GGF Shaya MAYZLER.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34135

Thank you very much.

Inna Vayner

DEKHTYAR, SOBOL, MAYZLER, VAYNER, STUDENOVSKY Moldova (Tiraspol)

I've posted a photo to ViewMate and looking for help identifying the
woman on it. Someone in our family believes that this is a daughter of
my GGF Shaya MAYZLER.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34135

Thank you very much.

Inna Vayner

DEKHTYAR, SOBOL, MAYZLER, VAYNER, STUDENOVSKY Moldova (Tiraspol)

I have several old family pictures on old post cards with Yiddish
writing on them. In trying to see where they fit into the family
tree, I would very much like to have a translation of both.
They appear to be written in the same handwriting. If readable,
please give me your best approximation of the messages.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34097

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34098

Amoz Chernoff

I have several old family pictures on old post cards with Yiddish
writing on them. In trying to see where they fit into the family
tree, I would very much like to have a translation of both.
They appear to be written in the same handwriting. If readable,
please give me your best approximation of the messages.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34097

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34098

Amoz Chernoff

My gg grandfather, Leiser KASLIN (KOZLIN) was born in 1843 in Slutsk,
Belarus. He came to the US in 1896. He stated that he is going to
Chicago. I have a family wedding photo that I believe he is in in 1914
in NYC (Wedding of Minnie and Sam MISHKIN). I can not find any record
of him in the US other than his arrival and his name in a database of
Russians who came to the US. His son in law, Faitel LUKIN, states (in
1898) that he is going to his father in law on a ship roster. His
daughter, Rebecca Lukin (wife of Faitel/Philip) came to NY in 1909. I
have searched ancestry and family search using every wildcard there is!
Any ideas??

Paula Blank
Researching: LUKIN (Slutsk), KASLIN (Slutsk), PASAMANICK (Lechowitz),
LEYT (Nesvizh)

My gg grandfather, Leiser KASLIN (KOZLIN) was born in 1843 in Slutsk,
Belarus. He came to the US in 1896. He stated that he is going to
Chicago. I have a family wedding photo that I believe he is in in 1914
in NYC (Wedding of Minnie and Sam MISHKIN). I can not find any record
of him in the US other than his arrival and his name in a database of
Russians who came to the US. His son in law, Faitel LUKIN, states (in
1898) that he is going to his father in law on a ship roster. His
daughter, Rebecca Lukin (wife of Faitel/Philip) came to NY in 1909. I
have searched ancestry and family search using every wildcard there is!
Any ideas??

Paula Blank
Researching: LUKIN (Slutsk), KASLIN (Slutsk), PASAMANICK (Lechowitz),
LEYT (Nesvizh)

A Geni project has been created for the Jewish Communities of Romania.

So far, only Arad and Herta are somewhat developed. But please feel free
to join any project, add public profiles and help build the project
pages. See
http://www.geni.com/projects/Jewish-Communities-in-Romania/18148 or
http://tinyurl.com/mnnsrh6

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA

A Geni project has been created for the Jewish Communities of Romania.

So far, only Arad and Herta are somewhat developed. But please feel free
to join any project, add public profiles and help build the project
pages. See
http://www.geni.com/projects/Jewish-Communities-in-Romania/18148 or
http://tinyurl.com/mnnsrh6

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA

If genners (and the moderators) can tolerate yet another post about
this subject, I'd like to weigh in again, touching on a few more
important points brought up by others.  I think the question of
acknowledgment of one's efforts, or some sort of attribution for
one's research, is not up for debate. The issue is how much
acknowledgment is enough and how to deal with those who just don't
give a damn.

Ultimately, I'd suggest this comes down to an issue of control.
I sympathize with Cheryl who's happy to share but would merely like
a little acknowledgment and instead oftentimes gets anger.  I've
had this same reaction for other reasons. I've seen records on
other trees that I know, beyond a doubt, are wrong.  I've tried
contacting people (via Ancestry messages) with carefully worded
and apologetic notes, merely suggesting that some of their records
are wildly inaccurate, and directing them to the correct ones. 
Most of the time I hear nothing.  I've also gotten anger and arguments. 

I'm an inveterate researcher, and I follow my nose when my curiosity
is piqued.  I've had to rein myself in when checking someone's
siblings and who they married turns into checking the in-married
relatives and their families.  Sometimes I cannot retrace how I got
to a certain person!  I've added people whose birth or marriage
records I found when I was going through FamilySearch microfilms of
NJ church records - I figured I had the information and scans, and
I might as well help clarify a few issues if I could.  My attempts
to trace my late mother-in-law's paternal g-grandfather and his
family have burgeoned into tracking the records of hundreds >from his
Italian village and thousands of their descendants in a few states. 
These families intermarried over centuries and I'm fascinated by
their interwoven roots.  

There's no way to add records to Ancestry other than placing them on
one's own tree. When I find someone else has already documented this
information and/or has more, I delete it >from my tree - it was not
there for my purposes in the first place, merely to help others. 
Many people have been more than friendly and happy to have some help
- or merely to know someone was moved to help research someone to
whom they were not related in any way.  Others have reacted with
anger and suspicion and harsh criticism ("Who the * heck * are you and
why is * my * great-great-grandfather on * your * tree?").

As I said, this comes down to control.  These genealogical records,
and even our ancestors, are not purely our own.  I cannot dictate
what someone else puts on their tree, however wrong I know it to be. 
I cannot force the more selfish to share what they have, or to
acknowledge the help they've received >from others.  Of course, I'm
only human, and I also have reacted with irritation and anger to
people's slapdash trees or self-righteousness.  Again, one * cannot *
control what others do - so ultimately, if one chooses to share, one
* must * let go of that information.  Knowing that you did the work,
or that you solved the mystery, must often be its own reward, even in
the face of others' dishonesty or selfishness.  There really doesn't
seem to be any way around this, short of all of us jealously guarding
our work ... and then we all lose.  

Finally (with apologies for this overlong missive), I'd like to add
to Moishe Miller's excellent points about the various types of
researchers.  I am not a professional genealogist - far >from it. 
However, I've come a long way (with sheer persistence and lots of help

from others) >from the novice I was when I began less than 2 years ago. 

When a question arises about someone I put on my tree during my
initial efforts, I've tried to correct or delete people.  I've also
found, more than expected, that my "gut" instinct was correct and I
now have the documentation to connect people to one another. 
With apologies to those researchers who are truly "professional"
genealogists, I'd argue that this field has expanded far and fast
with the internet and that standards formerly agreed upon amongst
public or published professionals cannot (and in many cases should not)
be enforced.  It's beyond anyone's control, and can either be
approached with propriety interest and the resultant anger, or the
joy of sharing. Your choice ... and mine. 

Sheila Coyne
Plano, Texas

[MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you Sheila. On that note - and with the
entire subject having been pretty thoroughly chewed over - we will
now bring this thread to a close. Thank you, everyone, for your
thoughtful contributions.]

If genners (and the moderators) can tolerate yet another post about
this subject, I'd like to weigh in again, touching on a few more
important points brought up by others.  I think the question of
acknowledgment of one's efforts, or some sort of attribution for
one's research, is not up for debate. The issue is how much
acknowledgment is enough and how to deal with those who just don't
give a damn.

Ultimately, I'd suggest this comes down to an issue of control.
I sympathize with Cheryl who's happy to share but would merely like
a little acknowledgment and instead oftentimes gets anger.  I've
had this same reaction for other reasons. I've seen records on
other trees that I know, beyond a doubt, are wrong.  I've tried
contacting people (via Ancestry messages) with carefully worded
and apologetic notes, merely suggesting that some of their records
are wildly inaccurate, and directing them to the correct ones. 
Most of the time I hear nothing.  I've also gotten anger and arguments. 

I'm an inveterate researcher, and I follow my nose when my curiosity
is piqued.  I've had to rein myself in when checking someone's
siblings and who they married turns into checking the in-married
relatives and their families.  Sometimes I cannot retrace how I got
to a certain person!  I've added people whose birth or marriage
records I found when I was going through FamilySearch microfilms of
NJ church records - I figured I had the information and scans, and
I might as well help clarify a few issues if I could.  My attempts
to trace my late mother-in-law's paternal g-grandfather and his
family have burgeoned into tracking the records of hundreds >from his
Italian village and thousands of their descendants in a few states. 
These families intermarried over centuries and I'm fascinated by
their interwoven roots.  

There's no way to add records to Ancestry other than placing them on
one's own tree. When I find someone else has already documented this
information and/or has more, I delete it >from my tree - it was not
there for my purposes in the first place, merely to help others. 
Many people have been more than friendly and happy to have some help
- or merely to know someone was moved to help research someone to
whom they were not related in any way.  Others have reacted with
anger and suspicion and harsh criticism ("Who the * heck * are you and
why is * my * great-great-grandfather on * your * tree?").

As I said, this comes down to control.  These genealogical records,
and even our ancestors, are not purely our own.  I cannot dictate
what someone else puts on their tree, however wrong I know it to be. 
I cannot force the more selfish to share what they have, or to
acknowledge the help they've received >from others.  Of course, I'm
only human, and I also have reacted with irritation and anger to
people's slapdash trees or self-righteousness.  Again, one * cannot *
control what others do - so ultimately, if one chooses to share, one
* must * let go of that information.  Knowing that you did the work,
or that you solved the mystery, must often be its own reward, even in
the face of others' dishonesty or selfishness.  There really doesn't
seem to be any way around this, short of all of us jealously guarding
our work ... and then we all lose.  

Finally (with apologies for this overlong missive), I'd like to add
to Moishe Miller's excellent points about the various types of
researchers.  I am not a professional genealogist - far >from it. 
However, I've come a long way (with sheer persistence and lots of help

from others) >from the novice I was when I began less than 2 years ago. 

When a question arises about someone I put on my tree during my
initial efforts, I've tried to correct or delete people.  I've also
found, more than expected, that my "gut" instinct was correct and I
now have the documentation to connect people to one another. 
With apologies to those researchers who are truly "professional"
genealogists, I'd argue that this field has expanded far and fast
with the internet and that standards formerly agreed upon amongst
public or published professionals cannot (and in many cases should not)
be enforced.  It's beyond anyone's control, and can either be
approached with propriety interest and the resultant anger, or the
joy of sharing. Your choice ... and mine. 

Sheila Coyne
Plano, Texas

[MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you Sheila. On that note - and with the
entire subject having been pretty thoroughly chewed over - we will
now bring this thread to a close. Thank you, everyone, for your
thoughtful contributions.]

I've posted a photo to ViewMate and looking for help identifying the
woman on it. Someone in our family believes that this is a daughter of
my GGF Shaya Mayzler.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34135

Thank you very much.

Inna Vayner

Dekhtyar, Sobol, Mayzler, Vayner, Studenovsky Moldova (Tiraspol)
MODERATOR NOTE - Please reply directly to sender or via ViewMate.

I've posted a photo to ViewMate and looking for help identifying the
woman on it. Someone in our family believes that this is a daughter of
my GGF Shaya Mayzler.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM34135

Thank you very much.

Inna Vayner

Dekhtyar, Sobol, Mayzler, Vayner, Studenovsky Moldova (Tiraspol)
MODERATOR NOTE - Please reply directly to sender or via ViewMate.

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out at the Conference website and subscribe to LIVE! now!

Once you go to the conference website, www.iajgs2014.org, click on
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more than 60 programs that will be available live and for three months
after the Conference on the Internet.

To register for the Conference or LIVE! go to registration.iajgs2014.org.

See you at the Conference. But, if you cannot join us in Salt Lake
City this summer, we certainly hope you take advantage of this very
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Hal Bookbinder, Banai Feldstein, Ken Bravo, conference co-chairs
34th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Hilton Salt Lake City Center July 27 - August 1, 2014
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Dear friends,

The documentary about my family roots in Moldova, Mamaliga Blues, is finished, and it will be screened
at the International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Salt Lake City. Date is July 28th, at 4:45PM. I
would love to attend it and meet some of you in person for the first time, but I am in Brazil and will not
be able to make it.

Mamaliga Blues was screened this year in 2 major events in North America: at the Doc Shop in Canada
and at the South East European Film Festival in Los Angeles. It is also planned to play at the Miami Jewish
Film Festival in 2015. We have been planning screenings in Brazil and New York, and looking for further
opportunities to show the film around the world :)

For more information on the film, check: www.mamaligablues.com

I hope you're able to make it to the screening!

Thanks!
Cassio Tolpolar

www.facebook.com/mamaligablues
www.mamaligablues.com

Dear friends,

The documentary about my family roots in Moldova, Mamaliga Blues, is finished, and it will be screened
at the International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Salt Lake City. Date is July 28th, at 4:45PM. I
would love to attend it and meet some of you in person for the first time, but I am in Brazil and will not
be able to make it.

Mamaliga Blues was screened this year in 2 major events in North America: at the Doc Shop in Canada
and at the South East European Film Festival in Los Angeles. It is also planned to play at the Miami Jewish
Film Festival in 2015. We have been planning screenings in Brazil and New York, and looking for further
opportunities to show the film around the world :)

For more information on the film, check: www.mamaligablues.com

I hope you're able to make it to the screening!

Thanks!
Cassio Tolpolar

www.facebook.com/mamaligablues
www.mamaligablues.com

If you have been waiting to see what Conference programming will be
available over the Internet through LIVE!, your wait is over. Check it
out at the Conference website and subscribe to LIVE! now!

Once you go to the conference website, www.iajgs2014.org, click on
"Program and Schedule" (under the "PROGRAM" tab) and then enter
"LIVE!" in the "Session Code" field and click "Search". Check out the
more than 60 programs that will be available live and for three months
after the Conference on the Internet.

To register for the Conference or LIVE! go to registration.iajgs2014.org.

See you at the Conference. But, if you cannot join us in Salt Lake
City this summer, we certainly hope you take advantage of this very
affordable way to enjoy much of what the Conference has to offer.

Hal Bookbinder, Banai Feldstein, Ken Bravo, conference co-chairs
34th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Hilton Salt Lake City Center
July 27 - August 1, 2014
bookbndr@...

If you have been waiting to see what Conference programming will be
available over the Internet through LIVE!, your wait is over. Check it
out at the Conference website and subscribe to LIVE! now!

Once you go to the conference website, www.iajgs2014.org, click on
"Program and Schedule" (under the "PROGRAM" tab) and then enter
"LIVE!" in the "Session Code" field and click "Search". Check out the
more than 60 programs that will be available live and for three months
after the Conference on the Internet.

To register for the Conference or LIVE! go to registration.iajgs2014.org.

See you at the Conference. But, if you cannot join us in Salt Lake
City this summer, we certainly hope you take advantage of this very
affordable way to enjoy much of what the Conference has to offer.

Hal Bookbinder, Banai Feldstein, Ken Bravo, conference co-chairs
34th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Hilton Salt Lake City Center
July 27 - August 1, 2014
bookbndr@...