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Update on WUDL/WOODLE Families #austria-czech

Alexander Woodle <awoodle@...>
 

Dear Colleagues,

Many of you may have read of my early postings on the FANTES/WUDL connection
in Ckyne. My gg grandfather Jeremias WUDL moved >from West Bohemia to this
village where he acquired a familiaten license and had a rather large
family. I have been able to identify a number of living descendants who
were born in the United States, but more importantly, new evidence just
arrived confirming a link with a living descendant in Lugoj, Romania.

I relate this story, because it may be germane to your own families faced
with the severe marriage restrictions in Bohemia in the 18th and a portion
of the 19th centuries. There are very few WUDLs in the world, so this was a
help. There are only two families in the entire U.S. One of them is a
professor in California whose family came to America >from Vienna by way of
Bolivia. They are Jews who fled the Nazis in 1938 and lived in Bolivia
before emigrating to U. S. in 1958. His family came originally from
Hungary. Many Jews >from Bohemia and other lands moved to Hungary to escape
the strict marriage laws. I have kept an eye on the all Hungarian database
as it has continued to add new information. It was there that I found two
WUDLS, Salomon and Moyses who were living in the Banat region of the
Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1828. I believe they were
grandsons of my fourth great grandfather Moyses Wudl (1738-1795). With this
information, Mr. WUDL and I decided to have our DNA tested for possible
linkage. We matched perfectly for 12 markers, not the most definitive DNA
test, but having the same surname gives more weight to the validity of a
blood relationship.

The second WUDL family in America dismisses any connection with my Bohemian
family out of hand, because their family was Hungarian! More on them later.

In 2003, I was casually searching through an online phone directory for
Romania and found a WUDL in Lugoj! I was startled! Given the march of
terror throughout Eastern Europe during WWII, I was surprised to find this
family. I wrote to this man and he replied. He was surprised, too as he
thought he was the only male WUDL on the planet. He agreed to have his DNA
tested and he safely received the kit. We heard >from him only once after
that, but no kit came back. It was indeed frustrating to say the least.

This past May, my wonderful mother-in-law traveled to Romania on vacation
and I briefed her on my story. She contacted this man through her Romanian
guide, instructing him on how to do the test and having him mail it to her
in Bucharest. On my birthday at the end of May, I received an email
greeting >from her, "watch out what you wish for." She brought the sample
home and I rushed it to Familytree DNA in Texas for analysis. This time I
requested a 37 marker test, the same level I had recently upgraded for my
own DNA.

The results flashed across my monitor this week. We matched 36 of 37
markers with a 97.4% probability of a common ancestor around 300 years ago.
My research places it closer to 200 years. I will continue to search for
the missing links, but these results show how a knowledge of our Jewish
history can lead us to uncovering "lost" family. With this new information,
I will soon be writing to the other WUDL family to convince them to join our
study group. I am also in the process of following up on another
"mysterious" WUDL found in Austria! Stay tuned!

In conclusion, I recommend to you my approach in searching for some of your
Bohemian family in other lands. Using the Internet to search international
phone directories, other databases of JewishGen, and any clues no matter how
insignificant. Leave no stone unturned.

Sincerely,

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Update on WUDL/WOODLE Families #austria-czech

Alexander Woodle <awoodle@...>
 

Dear Colleagues,

Many of you may have read of my early postings on the FANTES/WUDL connection
in Ckyne. My gg grandfather Jeremias WUDL moved >from West Bohemia to this
village where he acquired a familiaten license and had a rather large
family. I have been able to identify a number of living descendants who
were born in the United States, but more importantly, new evidence just
arrived confirming a link with a living descendant in Lugoj, Romania.

I relate this story, because it may be germane to your own families faced
with the severe marriage restrictions in Bohemia in the 18th and a portion
of the 19th centuries. There are very few WUDLs in the world, so this was a
help. There are only two families in the entire U.S. One of them is a
professor in California whose family came to America >from Vienna by way of
Bolivia. They are Jews who fled the Nazis in 1938 and lived in Bolivia
before emigrating to U. S. in 1958. His family came originally from
Hungary. Many Jews >from Bohemia and other lands moved to Hungary to escape
the strict marriage laws. I have kept an eye on the all Hungarian database
as it has continued to add new information. It was there that I found two
WUDLS, Salomon and Moyses who were living in the Banat region of the
Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1828. I believe they were
grandsons of my fourth great grandfather Moyses Wudl (1738-1795). With this
information, Mr. WUDL and I decided to have our DNA tested for possible
linkage. We matched perfectly for 12 markers, not the most definitive DNA
test, but having the same surname gives more weight to the validity of a
blood relationship.

The second WUDL family in America dismisses any connection with my Bohemian
family out of hand, because their family was Hungarian! More on them later.

In 2003, I was casually searching through an online phone directory for
Romania and found a WUDL in Lugoj! I was startled! Given the march of
terror throughout Eastern Europe during WWII, I was surprised to find this
family. I wrote to this man and he replied. He was surprised, too as he
thought he was the only male WUDL on the planet. He agreed to have his DNA
tested and he safely received the kit. We heard >from him only once after
that, but no kit came back. It was indeed frustrating to say the least.

This past May, my wonderful mother-in-law traveled to Romania on vacation
and I briefed her on my story. She contacted this man through her Romanian
guide, instructing him on how to do the test and having him mail it to her
in Bucharest. On my birthday at the end of May, I received an email
greeting >from her, "watch out what you wish for." She brought the sample
home and I rushed it to Familytree DNA in Texas for analysis. This time I
requested a 37 marker test, the same level I had recently upgraded for my
own DNA.

The results flashed across my monitor this week. We matched 36 of 37
markers with a 97.4% probability of a common ancestor around 300 years ago.
My research places it closer to 200 years. I will continue to search for
the missing links, but these results show how a knowledge of our Jewish
history can lead us to uncovering "lost" family. With this new information,
I will soon be writing to the other WUDL family to convince them to join our
study group. I am also in the process of following up on another
"mysterious" WUDL found in Austria! Stay tuned!

In conclusion, I recommend to you my approach in searching for some of your
Bohemian family in other lands. Using the Internet to search international
phone directories, other databases of JewishGen, and any clues no matter how
insignificant. Leave no stone unturned.

Sincerely,

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA


PROPPER from Bohemia #austria-czech

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

I am taking Sharla's advice since it has been several years since I posted
to the group.  My husband's maternal grandmother was Carrie PROPPER,
the daughter of first cousins Siegfried and Sophie. She was born in Laun,
present day Louny, in 1883. She immigrated with her parents and six siblings
to New York City in 1886. I started with this information 12 years ago and
after much generous help >from relatives that we initially did not know,
we have a large family tree. Carrie's parents were Siegfried, the son of
Leopold and Magdalena KOHN, and Sophie, the daughter of David and Karoline POPPER. 
Both were the grandchildren of Elie PROPPER and Rosa DEUTSCH.
Branches of the family moved to France, Spain, England, Israel,
Canada and the United States.  Most of the PROPPERS still in Europe in the
late 1930's died in the Shoah and can be found on the Yad Vashem website.

Some of the early lines that I have missing information on are
ARNSTEIN, PARPAR, WEIGNER, STRASNOW all >from Bohemia.

Georgia HAKEN
Danbury, Connecticut


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech PROPPER from Bohemia #austria-czech

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

I am taking Sharla's advice since it has been several years since I posted
to the group.  My husband's maternal grandmother was Carrie PROPPER,
the daughter of first cousins Siegfried and Sophie. She was born in Laun,
present day Louny, in 1883. She immigrated with her parents and six siblings
to New York City in 1886. I started with this information 12 years ago and
after much generous help >from relatives that we initially did not know,
we have a large family tree. Carrie's parents were Siegfried, the son of
Leopold and Magdalena KOHN, and Sophie, the daughter of David and Karoline POPPER. 
Both were the grandchildren of Elie PROPPER and Rosa DEUTSCH.
Branches of the family moved to France, Spain, England, Israel,
Canada and the United States.  Most of the PROPPERS still in Europe in the
late 1930's died in the Shoah and can be found on the Yad Vashem website.

Some of the early lines that I have missing information on are
ARNSTEIN, PARPAR, WEIGNER, STRASNOW all >from Bohemia.

Georgia HAKEN
Danbury, Connecticut


Re: Cemeteries in Bohemia #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

Hi Robert -
The surveys are filed out by volunteers who have gone to the sites.
The content is what you see posted on the IAJGS cemetery site. When
there is more information that is also indicated.

The surveys are located halfway down this page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/instructions/

Please fill them out for the cemeteries you visited or email any
updates you have for the IAJGS pages to phrases1@...

We also need a few more volunteers to help keep the pages up-to-date,
so anyone who wants to adopt a country or two please contact me. I can
train anyone with word processor skills to do this (HTML skills
preferred but not totally necessary)

Kitty Cooper
kitty@...
IAJGS volunteer webmaster


However in doing subsequent research I notice that the
International Jewish Cemetery Project lists, among the
information on each cemetery site, the fact that a "survey" was completed.
Also listed are the names of the individuals who conducted the survey.
My question is what do these surveys contain, for example, map? and
listing of the people buried? And how are these surveys obtained?
Robert Stein (USA)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Cemeteries in Bohemia #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

Hi Robert -
The surveys are filed out by volunteers who have gone to the sites.
The content is what you see posted on the IAJGS cemetery site. When
there is more information that is also indicated.

The surveys are located halfway down this page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/instructions/

Please fill them out for the cemeteries you visited or email any
updates you have for the IAJGS pages to phrases1@...

We also need a few more volunteers to help keep the pages up-to-date,
so anyone who wants to adopt a country or two please contact me. I can
train anyone with word processor skills to do this (HTML skills
preferred but not totally necessary)

Kitty Cooper
kitty@...
IAJGS volunteer webmaster


However in doing subsequent research I notice that the
International Jewish Cemetery Project lists, among the
information on each cemetery site, the fact that a "survey" was completed.
Also listed are the names of the individuals who conducted the survey.
My question is what do these surveys contain, for example, map? and
listing of the people buried? And how are these surveys obtained?
Robert Stein (USA)


Re: Member introductions #austria-czech

markwmsn@...
 

Sharla Levine suggested:
I'd like to encourage everyone to introduce or re-introduce
themselves >to the list, and perhaps we'll find some new connections!

Allow me to introduce myself. I've been reading the digest for about
a year, but I have not posted to it before. My name as Mark
Williamson. I live in Houston, Texas, USA and am a semi-retired
computer guy >from the "big iron" era. I am lucky enough to live
within an easy drive of the Clayton Genealogical Library.

I inherited my mother's genealogical papers after she died nearly two
decades ago. >from time to time since then, I have tried to connect
her conclusions to her source material, her notes, and other source
material that has become available to me. I have been able to add a
few branches to portions of our family tree.

The main family I am researching in the Austria-Czech area is that of
my great-grandfather Ignatz Frederick KAUDERS (sometimes transcribed
as KANDERS) and his second wife Anna BERGMANN, plus the
tenuously-related POLLAK (POLLACK) and GUTWERTH or GISTHWIRTH
families. Ignatz was born around 1842 in Austria (or Hungary on some
papers), came to the United States around 1866, married here twice,
and lived in and around New York City until he died around 1909. His
first wife, Ricca BASCHE (1848-1880s), was apparently >from somewhere
in Germany; I have not searched for her as much as Ignatz and Anna.

Most of the family lore about Ignatz and Anna came >from their middle
child, my grandmother Elsie KAUDERS. Some of it is recorded in
letters >from my grandmother, some in notes >from a formal interview by
my mother. I have been able to substantiate parts >from transcripts
or images of official records; parts still remain in the realm of
"lore" (such as Ignatz being educated as the University of Vienna and
being a terrible gambler) or even fantasy (such as Elsie's claim that
Ignatz's father was of the lesser titled nobility, though there was a
Freiherr von Kauder title at one time).

The only tentative Jewish connections are
(1) the apparent presence of Anna's brother Friedrich (Fritz)
BERGMANN (1858-1930) and his wife Therese (POLLAK) BERGMANN
(1868-1925) in Zentralfriedhof IV. Tor sharing a grave,
(2) a number of documents describing their son Gustav BERGMANN
(1909-1987, semi-famous philosopher known to my grandmother) as
Jewish ("100%" Jewish according to a document filed just before he
fled Germany in 1939), and
(3) Gustav's own family tree, showing his first set of in-laws
Friedrich GOLWIG (1866-1907) and Elsa PHILLIPSOHN GOLWIG (d. ca.
1930) buried in an unspecified Jewish cemetery in Vienna (possibly
the Fritz and Elsa GOLWIG with matching dates indexed as sharing a
grave in Zentralfriedhof I. Tor, where Gustav's POLLAK grandparents
David and Marie may also lie).

I just (re)discovered a Mormon transcription of Manhattan (New York,
NY, USA) marriages >from Aug-Oct 1887 that may include Ignatz and
Anna's marriage. If so, Ignatz's parents were David KANDERS and
Nettie POLLACK, and Anna's were Michael BERGMANN and Bertha
GESTHWIRTH. My grandmother had given us the "Nettie" and "Michael
BERGMANN" parts, but said Anna's mother was also an Anna. Gustav
BERGMANN's family tree claims Michael's wife to be Blume GUTWERTH; is
that close enough to Bertha GESTHWIRTH?

Sorry to ramble on. Please let me know if any of this connects with
any of your research, or if any of what I have said looks wrong to
you. (For example, I am a little confused about just which parts of
the Zentralfriedhof contain Jewish burials. Are Entrances I and IV
both exclusively or primarily Jewish or only IV? If, as I suspect,
Gate 1 leads to mixed burials, can one tell which is which >from the
IKG index?)

My native language is English, but I read some French and Spanish,
very little German, and no Hebrew or Yiddish. I may well have missed
the best sources.

Mark R. Williamson


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Member introductions #austria-czech

markwmsn@...
 

Sharla Levine suggested:
I'd like to encourage everyone to introduce or re-introduce
themselves >to the list, and perhaps we'll find some new connections!

Allow me to introduce myself. I've been reading the digest for about
a year, but I have not posted to it before. My name as Mark
Williamson. I live in Houston, Texas, USA and am a semi-retired
computer guy >from the "big iron" era. I am lucky enough to live
within an easy drive of the Clayton Genealogical Library.

I inherited my mother's genealogical papers after she died nearly two
decades ago. >from time to time since then, I have tried to connect
her conclusions to her source material, her notes, and other source
material that has become available to me. I have been able to add a
few branches to portions of our family tree.

The main family I am researching in the Austria-Czech area is that of
my great-grandfather Ignatz Frederick KAUDERS (sometimes transcribed
as KANDERS) and his second wife Anna BERGMANN, plus the
tenuously-related POLLAK (POLLACK) and GUTWERTH or GISTHWIRTH
families. Ignatz was born around 1842 in Austria (or Hungary on some
papers), came to the United States around 1866, married here twice,
and lived in and around New York City until he died around 1909. His
first wife, Ricca BASCHE (1848-1880s), was apparently >from somewhere
in Germany; I have not searched for her as much as Ignatz and Anna.

Most of the family lore about Ignatz and Anna came >from their middle
child, my grandmother Elsie KAUDERS. Some of it is recorded in
letters >from my grandmother, some in notes >from a formal interview by
my mother. I have been able to substantiate parts >from transcripts
or images of official records; parts still remain in the realm of
"lore" (such as Ignatz being educated as the University of Vienna and
being a terrible gambler) or even fantasy (such as Elsie's claim that
Ignatz's father was of the lesser titled nobility, though there was a
Freiherr von Kauder title at one time).

The only tentative Jewish connections are
(1) the apparent presence of Anna's brother Friedrich (Fritz)
BERGMANN (1858-1930) and his wife Therese (POLLAK) BERGMANN
(1868-1925) in Zentralfriedhof IV. Tor sharing a grave,
(2) a number of documents describing their son Gustav BERGMANN
(1909-1987, semi-famous philosopher known to my grandmother) as
Jewish ("100%" Jewish according to a document filed just before he
fled Germany in 1939), and
(3) Gustav's own family tree, showing his first set of in-laws
Friedrich GOLWIG (1866-1907) and Elsa PHILLIPSOHN GOLWIG (d. ca.
1930) buried in an unspecified Jewish cemetery in Vienna (possibly
the Fritz and Elsa GOLWIG with matching dates indexed as sharing a
grave in Zentralfriedhof I. Tor, where Gustav's POLLAK grandparents
David and Marie may also lie).

I just (re)discovered a Mormon transcription of Manhattan (New York,
NY, USA) marriages >from Aug-Oct 1887 that may include Ignatz and
Anna's marriage. If so, Ignatz's parents were David KANDERS and
Nettie POLLACK, and Anna's were Michael BERGMANN and Bertha
GESTHWIRTH. My grandmother had given us the "Nettie" and "Michael
BERGMANN" parts, but said Anna's mother was also an Anna. Gustav
BERGMANN's family tree claims Michael's wife to be Blume GUTWERTH; is
that close enough to Bertha GESTHWIRTH?

Sorry to ramble on. Please let me know if any of this connects with
any of your research, or if any of what I have said looks wrong to
you. (For example, I am a little confused about just which parts of
the Zentralfriedhof contain Jewish burials. Are Entrances I and IV
both exclusively or primarily Jewish or only IV? If, as I suspect,
Gate 1 leads to mixed burials, can one tell which is which >from the
IKG index?)

My native language is English, but I read some French and Spanish,
very little German, and no Hebrew or Yiddish. I may well have missed
the best sources.

Mark R. Williamson


LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project on the road - Israel #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project will be on the road as of
Thursday for several weeks in Israel. Currently, we have scheduled an online
session with the Hebrew only forum "Shorashim Mishpachatayim". This will
take place on August 2 at 4 PM.

In addition, final arrangements are being made to give separate VRI Project
presentations to both the IGS [probably Tel Aviv] and JFRA [probably in
Herzliya at Beth Protea]. Also expected at Beth Protea will be the Galilee
Genealogical Society.

Once in Israel, I also plan to make contact with Amb. Neville Lamdan, and
if possible, Prof. Dov Levin and Motti Zalkin.

Those in Israel interested in attending one of the talks [IGS or JFRA/GGS]
should contact those groups directly.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project on the road - Israel #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project will be on the road as of
Thursday for several weeks in Israel. Currently, we have scheduled an online
session with the Hebrew only forum "Shorashim Mishpachatayim". This will
take place on August 2 at 4 PM.

In addition, final arrangements are being made to give separate VRI Project
presentations to both the IGS [probably Tel Aviv] and JFRA [probably in
Herzliya at Beth Protea]. Also expected at Beth Protea will be the Galilee
Genealogical Society.

Once in Israel, I also plan to make contact with Amb. Neville Lamdan, and
if possible, Prof. Dov Levin and Motti Zalkin.

Those in Israel interested in attending one of the talks [IGS or JFRA/GGS]
should contact those groups directly.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

The 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory, "Ksiega Adresowa Polski (wraz
z w. m. Gdanskiem) dla handlu, rzemiosl i rolnictwa," is now freely
available online at the Digital Library of Wielkopolska's site
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11649. This 2697-page
directory is primarily organized by place, then by business type, then by
surname or business name. To facilitate searching, I have applied optical
character recognition (OCR) software to the Digital Library images and
incorporated the result into my Search Engine for Online Historical
Directories at http://www.kalter.org/search.php, as I recently did for the
1926/1927 edition of this directory. When searching, please keep in mind
that OCR is not 100% accurate, so you still might want to manually search
the directory, especially if you are only interested in a few known small
towns. To improve your chances of success, I encourage you to make use of
all three available methods of searching. An explanation of how to access
the scanned directory images at the Digital Library site can be found in the
FAQ on the Search Engine site.

If you find this tool to be helpful, please let me know.

Please realize that an initially high response may slow the Search Engine.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


JRI Poland #Poland 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

The 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory, "Ksiega Adresowa Polski (wraz
z w. m. Gdanskiem) dla handlu, rzemiosl i rolnictwa," is now freely
available online at the Digital Library of Wielkopolska's site
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11649. This 2697-page
directory is primarily organized by place, then by business type, then by
surname or business name. To facilitate searching, I have applied optical
character recognition (OCR) software to the Digital Library images and
incorporated the result into my Search Engine for Online Historical
Directories at http://www.kalter.org/search.php, as I recently did for the
1926/1927 edition of this directory. When searching, please keep in mind
that OCR is not 100% accurate, so you still might want to manually search
the directory, especially if you are only interested in a few known small
towns. To improve your chances of success, I encourage you to make use of
all three available methods of searching. An explanation of how to access
the scanned directory images at the Digital Library site can be found in the
FAQ on the Search Engine site.

If you find this tool to be helpful, please let me know.

Please realize that an initially high response may slow the Search Engine.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory #lithuania

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

The 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory, "Ksiega Adresowa Polski (wraz
z w. m. Gdanskiem) dla handlu, rzemiosl i rolnictwa," is now freely
available online at the Digital Library of Wielkopolska's site
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11649. This 2697-page
directory is primarily organized by place, then by business type, then by
surname or business name. To facilitate searching, I have applied optical
character recognition (OCR) software to the Digital Library images and
incorporated the result into my Search Engine for Online Historical
Directories at http://www.kalter.org/search.php, as I recently did for the
1926/1927 edition of this directory. When searching, please keep in mind
that OCR is not 100% accurate, so you still might want to manually search
the directory, especially if you are only interested in a few known small
towns. To improve your chances of success, I encourage you to make use of
all three available methods of searching. An explanation of how to access
the scanned directory images at the Digital Library site can be found in the
FAQ on the Search Engine site.

If you find this tool to be helpful, please let me know.

Please realize that an initially high response may slow the Search Engine.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Just a reminder that the former Vilna Gubernia was
considered part of Poland in the Inter-war period, and would be
included in this directory.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory #lithuania

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

The 1930 Poland and Danzig Business Directory, "Ksiega Adresowa Polski (wraz
z w. m. Gdanskiem) dla handlu, rzemiosl i rolnictwa," is now freely
available online at the Digital Library of Wielkopolska's site
http://www.wbc.poznan.pl/dlibra/docmetadata?id=11649. This 2697-page
directory is primarily organized by place, then by business type, then by
surname or business name. To facilitate searching, I have applied optical
character recognition (OCR) software to the Digital Library images and
incorporated the result into my Search Engine for Online Historical
Directories at http://www.kalter.org/search.php, as I recently did for the
1926/1927 edition of this directory. When searching, please keep in mind
that OCR is not 100% accurate, so you still might want to manually search
the directory, especially if you are only interested in a few known small
towns. To improve your chances of success, I encourage you to make use of
all three available methods of searching. An explanation of how to access
the scanned directory images at the Digital Library site can be found in the
FAQ on the Search Engine site.

If you find this tool to be helpful, please let me know.

Please realize that an initially high response may slow the Search Engine.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Just a reminder that the former Vilna Gubernia was
considered part of Poland in the Inter-war period, and would be
included in this directory.


Could a Missouri census taker in 1910 mistake a Litvak accent for German? #lithuania

judy miller <judymiller@...>
 

I have been looking in vain for my grandfather's family in the 1910
Chicago census, and may have found them in Missouri. I knew that they lived
in Jefferson City MO for a few years, but not when. However, they are
listed as German, not Russian, and there are some mistakes in names. Was
that a common mistake?

We'd have to believe that the census taker took their origin to be German,
and understood Ida to be Lidia, Hymen to be Herman, and Meyer to be Mauris.
Otherwise the names, ages, sexes match our family in 1910. My grandfather
was David Miller presumed to be >from Siauliai.

Judy MILLER
Alexandria, VA
researching MILLER, SIDLIN, RIFKOVICH, CHOR/KHOR, NATHANSON
judymiller@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Since discussion of the US Census per se is not
within the scope of this list, please send such comments privately.
Other observations about the message may be shared with the list.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Could a Missouri census taker in 1910 mistake a Litvak accent for German? #lithuania

judy miller <judymiller@...>
 

I have been looking in vain for my grandfather's family in the 1910
Chicago census, and may have found them in Missouri. I knew that they lived
in Jefferson City MO for a few years, but not when. However, they are
listed as German, not Russian, and there are some mistakes in names. Was
that a common mistake?

We'd have to believe that the census taker took their origin to be German,
and understood Ida to be Lidia, Hymen to be Herman, and Meyer to be Mauris.
Otherwise the names, ages, sexes match our family in 1910. My grandfather
was David Miller presumed to be >from Siauliai.

Judy MILLER
Alexandria, VA
researching MILLER, SIDLIN, RIFKOVICH, CHOR/KHOR, NATHANSON
judymiller@...

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Palatinate #germany

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

between the years 1799 and 1815 Napoleon was the civic presence in the
Palatinate region. >from the Jewish genealogical perspective the most
important edict was the one which commanded the Jews to declare their new
names. Are there lists available and what towns are covered ?

Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco <pierre28@...>


German SIG #Germany Palatinate #germany

Pierre Hahn <pierre28@...>
 

between the years 1799 and 1815 Napoleon was the civic presence in the
Palatinate region. >from the Jewish genealogical perspective the most
important edict was the one which commanded the Jews to declare their new
names. Are there lists available and what towns are covered ?

Pierre M Hahn, San Francisco <pierre28@...>


Dukora - book by Daniel Charney #belarus

Sharon Grundfest Broniatowski
 

Does anyone have access to the book, Dukor, by Daniel
Charney published by Tint ein Feder? There is a
reference to this book and a partial translation that
interests me on
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/minsk/min1_487.html.

S. Grundfest-Broniatowski
Cleveland, OH
Researching GRUNDFEST, GRUNTFAST, GRUNTFEST
Please respond privately to sgrundbron@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Dukora - book by Daniel Charney #belarus

Sharon Grundfest Broniatowski
 

Does anyone have access to the book, Dukor, by Daniel
Charney published by Tint ein Feder? There is a
reference to this book and a partial translation that
interests me on
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/minsk/min1_487.html.

S. Grundfest-Broniatowski
Cleveland, OH
Researching GRUNDFEST, GRUNTFAST, GRUNTFEST
Please respond privately to sgrundbron@...