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Re: jcr-uk digest: June 24, 2015 South African Databases on Facebook #unitedkingdom

Rita
 

a new fb to join, just applied

-----Original Message-----
From: JCR-UK SIG digest
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:04 PM
To: jcr-uk digest recipients
Subject: jcr-uk digest: June 24, 2015

JCR-UK Digest for Wednesday, June 24, 2015.

1. Small South African Databases
2. 1921 RESIDENTS OF VILNIUS STREET, BIRZAI, LITHUANIA
3. 1976-1977 SOUTH AFRICAN YEAR BOOK - WHO'S WHO OF SOUTH AFRICANS WHO
EMIGRATED TO ISRAEL, PT 1/2
4. SOUTH AFRICAN JEWS WHO SERVED IN THE CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCES

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: jcr-uk digest: June 24, 2015 South African Databases on Facebook #unitedkingdom

Rita
 

a new fb to join, just applied

-----Original Message-----
From: JCR-UK SIG digest
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:04 PM
To: jcr-uk digest recipients
Subject: jcr-uk digest: June 24, 2015

JCR-UK Digest for Wednesday, June 24, 2015.

1. Small South African Databases
2. 1921 RESIDENTS OF VILNIUS STREET, BIRZAI, LITHUANIA
3. 1976-1977 SOUTH AFRICAN YEAR BOOK - WHO'S WHO OF SOUTH AFRICANS WHO
EMIGRATED TO ISRAEL, PT 1/2
4. SOUTH AFRICAN JEWS WHO SERVED IN THE CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCES

Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


Re: Old German transliteration request. #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Indeed, the first part says that, in accordance with statutes, etc.,
etc. the couple have added the names Israel and Sara, respectively. The
2nd part cancels that change.

The handwriting, especially of the first part, is close to textbook
standards. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift and the
images found there should be useful.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ research coordinator, GerSIG

On 6/25/2015 Dennis Steve Aron dennisaron@comcast.net wrote:
On LAGIS, I found the record of the 4 September 1904 marriage of Alexander
STESSMANN and Emma ROSENBUSCH in Borken Hessen: http://tinyurl.com/pvxyvmg
http://dfg-viewer.de/show/?id=8071&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalisate.hadis.hessen.de%2Fhstam%2F920%2F830.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=52
There are a series of notations on the left side that I am unable to read.
I believe that the first item documents their taking on the names Sara
and Israel, but I am uncertain. A full transliteration/translation is
not necessary, but would help me learn this registrar's writing to
understand other documents. Please help.


German SIG #Germany Re: Old German transliteration request. #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Indeed, the first part says that, in accordance with statutes, etc.,
etc. the couple have added the names Israel and Sara, respectively. The
2nd part cancels that change.

The handwriting, especially of the first part, is close to textbook
standards. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift and the
images found there should be useful.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ research coordinator, GerSIG

On 6/25/2015 Dennis Steve Aron dennisaron@comcast.net wrote:
On LAGIS, I found the record of the 4 September 1904 marriage of Alexander
STESSMANN and Emma ROSENBUSCH in Borken Hessen: http://tinyurl.com/pvxyvmg
http://dfg-viewer.de/show/?id=8071&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalisate.hadis.hessen.de%2Fhstam%2F920%2F830.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=52
There are a series of notations on the left side that I am unable to read.
I believe that the first item documents their taking on the names Sara
and Israel, but I am uncertain. A full transliteration/translation is
not necessary, but would help me learn this registrar's writing to
understand other documents. Please help.


question about Germany's_assimilated Jews in the early 1900s #germany

naomi rosenthal <naomiro999@...>
 

Specifically, I am wondering if a Jewish family might have hired a Christian
maid in 1906 Hamburg.

The reason for my curiosity is that among the cache of WWI letters which
I found in 2012 having to do with the search for my missing grandfather
(those letters were incorporated into a book, Searching for Hugo),
there was one letter which was conspicuously different.

It was written by a girl in Frankfurt named Margareta Sonntag in 1906,
shortly after my grandmother married and moved >from Frankfurt to Hamburg.
In the letter, Margareta begs my grandmother to hire her as a maid, for
she is desperate to get away >from her abusive stepmother.

I don't know if my grandmother hired her or not, or what happened to
Margareta - she would have been let go after WWI in any case as my
grandmother became very poor then, but I find it remarkable that my
grandmother kept this letter until she died in Israel in 1973, having
brought it with her to Palestine in 1933.

Sonntag does not sound like a Jewish name. I suppose the main difficulty of
having a non-Jewish maid would be that she would have to be trained about
keeping things Kosher. According to my father, my grandmother kept a Kosher
kitchen but was not strict about following it. He said they had the dishes
separated, "but if someone wanted to eat a ham sandwich, they just ate it
off a piece of paper.

Anyone heard about German Jewish families having Christian servants in the
early 1900s?

Naomi M Rosenthal, Berkeley, Calif. naomiro999@yahoo.com


German SIG #Germany question about Germany's_assimilated Jews in the early 1900s #germany

naomi rosenthal <naomiro999@...>
 

Specifically, I am wondering if a Jewish family might have hired a Christian
maid in 1906 Hamburg.

The reason for my curiosity is that among the cache of WWI letters which
I found in 2012 having to do with the search for my missing grandfather
(those letters were incorporated into a book, Searching for Hugo),
there was one letter which was conspicuously different.

It was written by a girl in Frankfurt named Margareta Sonntag in 1906,
shortly after my grandmother married and moved >from Frankfurt to Hamburg.
In the letter, Margareta begs my grandmother to hire her as a maid, for
she is desperate to get away >from her abusive stepmother.

I don't know if my grandmother hired her or not, or what happened to
Margareta - she would have been let go after WWI in any case as my
grandmother became very poor then, but I find it remarkable that my
grandmother kept this letter until she died in Israel in 1973, having
brought it with her to Palestine in 1933.

Sonntag does not sound like a Jewish name. I suppose the main difficulty of
having a non-Jewish maid would be that she would have to be trained about
keeping things Kosher. According to my father, my grandmother kept a Kosher
kitchen but was not strict about following it. He said they had the dishes
separated, "but if someone wanted to eat a ham sandwich, they just ate it
off a piece of paper.

Anyone heard about German Jewish families having Christian servants in the
early 1900s?

Naomi M Rosenthal, Berkeley, Calif. naomiro999@yahoo.com


Old German transliteration request. #germany

Dennis Aron <dennisaron@...>
 

Hello all,

On LAGIS, I found the record of the 4 September 1904 marriage of Alexander
STESSMANN and Emma ROSENBUSCH in Borken Hessen: http://tinyurl.com/pvxyvmg

http://dfg-viewer.de/show/?id=8071&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalisate.hadis.hessen.de%2Fhstam%2F920%2F830.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=52

There are a series of notations on the left side that I am unable to read.
I believe that the first item documents their taking on the names Sara
and Israel, but I am uncertain. A full transliteration/translation is
not necessary, but would help me learn this registrar's writing to
understand other documents. Please help. thanks much,

Dennis Aron, Skokie, IL dennisaron@comcast.net


German SIG #Germany Old German transliteration request. #germany

Dennis Aron <dennisaron@...>
 

Hello all,

On LAGIS, I found the record of the 4 September 1904 marriage of Alexander
STESSMANN and Emma ROSENBUSCH in Borken Hessen: http://tinyurl.com/pvxyvmg

http://dfg-viewer.de/show/?id=8071&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=http%3A%2F%2Fdigitalisate.hadis.hessen.de%2Fhstam%2F920%2F830.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=52

There are a series of notations on the left side that I am unable to read.
I believe that the first item documents their taking on the names Sara
and Israel, but I am uncertain. A full transliteration/translation is
not necessary, but would help me learn this registrar's writing to
understand other documents. Please help. thanks much,

Dennis Aron, Skokie, IL dennisaron@comcast.net


please identify road marker #general

Milton Koch
 

I have posted two images of a pillar possibly in Luxembourg. I would like to know
where it is located, and what it represents.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40968
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40969

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
NUSSBAUM-Luxembourg
KLEINBERG-Metz, France


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen please identify road marker #general

Milton Koch
 

I have posted two images of a pillar possibly in Luxembourg. I would like to know
where it is located, and what it represents.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40968
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40969

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
NUSSBAUM-Luxembourg
KLEINBERG-Metz, France


"myheritage" #general

Reuven Mohr
 

anyone considering to subscribe to myheritage is invited to contact me privately.

Reuven Mohr
Israel

MODERATOR: Private responses only, please.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "myheritage" #general

Reuven Mohr
 

anyone considering to subscribe to myheritage is invited to contact me privately.

Reuven Mohr
Israel

MODERATOR: Private responses only, please.


Naturalization petition found at family search! #general

Sandy Crystall
 

Genners-
I received many responses to my request for petition number and was provided the
actual document (images) I was seeking. I totally missed the fact that I was
seeking a state document >from a federal agency -- and I will have to work on
improving my ability to find documents on family search! Thank you to everyone who
offered related and useful information. (I have thanked everyone individually too.)

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire

Researching: SOBEL, PASTERNAK, GLECKEL, STUTMAN - Belozerka, Ukraine;
GREENBERG/ GLASS - Grodno, Belarus; CRYSTAL, KRISTAL -
Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN - London, Pasvalys,
Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Brooklyn, NY; Baltimore, Maryland; Los
Angeles, California; KAPITNIK - Belarus; LEVINSON- Ventspils;
STEINGRUB- Latvia/Lithuania; FEINSTEIN/GOODMAN - Lithuania/Latvia (?);

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization petition found at family search! #general

Sandy Crystall
 

Genners-
I received many responses to my request for petition number and was provided the
actual document (images) I was seeking. I totally missed the fact that I was
seeking a state document >from a federal agency -- and I will have to work on
improving my ability to find documents on family search! Thank you to everyone who
offered related and useful information. (I have thanked everyone individually too.)

Sandy Crystall
New Hampshire

Researching: SOBEL, PASTERNAK, GLECKEL, STUTMAN - Belozerka, Ukraine;
GREENBERG/ GLASS - Grodno, Belarus; CRYSTAL, KRISTAL -
Latvia/Lithuania (Riga/Sirvintos/Zagare?); SHERMAN - London, Pasvalys,
Lithuania; Bauska, Latvia; Brooklyn, NY; Baltimore, Maryland; Los
Angeles, California; KAPITNIK - Belarus; LEVINSON- Ventspils;
STEINGRUB- Latvia/Lithuania; FEINSTEIN/GOODMAN - Lithuania/Latvia (?);

http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Belozerka/


(US)Congressional Bills to Cease Fee-Based Services From USCIS and Instead Require Congressional Fees #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Legislation has been introduced in the United States Congress by Senator
Ted Cruz (R-TX) SB 1593
(https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s1593/BILLS-114s1593is.pdf) and by
Representative Brian Babin (R-TX) HR 2825
(https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/hr2825/BILLS-114hr2825ih.pdf) which
would remove the fee-charging ability of the Department of Homeland Security
and instead authorize Congress to impose fees for the various departments
within the Department. The Congressionally-imposed fees would be placed in
the general fund and it would be up to Congress to make the necessary
appropriations for the Department to operate. The reason this is of interest
for genealogists it that the United States Citizenship and Immigration
Service (USCIS) is part of the Homeland Security Department and the USCIS
has a fee-for-service genealogy program. This includes section "J" which
establishes genealogy fees for research and information services (see page
20). The two bills have been referred to committees in their respective
chambers but no hearings have yet been scheduled. Current information on
how to apply for genealogical information >from the USCIS may be found at:
http://www.uscis.gov/genealogy\

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (US)Congressional Bills to Cease Fee-Based Services From USCIS and Instead Require Congressional Fees #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Legislation has been introduced in the United States Congress by Senator
Ted Cruz (R-TX) SB 1593
(https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s1593/BILLS-114s1593is.pdf) and by
Representative Brian Babin (R-TX) HR 2825
(https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/hr2825/BILLS-114hr2825ih.pdf) which
would remove the fee-charging ability of the Department of Homeland Security
and instead authorize Congress to impose fees for the various departments
within the Department. The Congressionally-imposed fees would be placed in
the general fund and it would be up to Congress to make the necessary
appropriations for the Department to operate. The reason this is of interest
for genealogists it that the United States Citizenship and Immigration
Service (USCIS) is part of the Homeland Security Department and the USCIS
has a fee-for-service genealogy program. This includes section "J" which
establishes genealogy fees for research and information services (see page
20). The two bills have been referred to committees in their respective
chambers but no hearings have yet been scheduled. Current information on
how to apply for genealogical information >from the USCIS may be found at:
http://www.uscis.gov/genealogy\

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Need help with identification of photos on Viewmate #general

Olivier Neuman
 

Hi,
I posted two photos on the folowing viewmates :

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40934

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40935


Could someone help me to recognize the persons on those photos or help
me to find the best way to discover something concerning them?

thank you

Olivier Neuman (id:458743)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately or by using the viewmate response form


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with identification of photos on Viewmate #general

Olivier Neuman
 

Hi,
I posted two photos on the folowing viewmates :

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40934

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40935


Could someone help me to recognize the persons on those photos or help
me to find the best way to discover something concerning them?

thank you

Olivier Neuman (id:458743)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately or by using the viewmate response form


Re: Locating number of naturalization Petition #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Sandy Crystall posted:
I have a volume and page number (and date) for a naturalization petition and I need
the petition number to order a copy of the document >from NARA (online).

The original record source is New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition
Index (an index to naturalization petition cards originally compiled by the New
York County Supreme Court). The person is Joseph Flomen, 57 E. 102 St., NY, NY;
Date: 18 Nov 1919,volume 296, page # 26.


Well Sandy, i think someone gave you the wrong info. If its New York County
Supreme Court then NARA doesnt have the petitions. They are at 31 chambers st, in
the County Clerk/Old Records division on the 7th floor. You don't need the
petition number.

Because things change, i would verify the following suggestion: call the Manhattan
County Clerk's office at 646-386 5395. Find out if you can still order the petition
(by volume and page#) >from the NY County Clerk at 60 Center St, Room 161, NY,
10001 for a $10 money order.

Even better, it is online!
I first queried the familysearch.org website; it returned the film number 001522394
for the index (not very useful). Next i went to the sub-database, the New York
County Naturalization Records, and clicked on browse, scrolled down to New York
County, and chased the volume and page number. And indeed it is there!!! Go to NY
Petitions volume 296; its image #65. Its not the petition, but the declaration,
but the data is the same. Granted this is not an easy research task, but one
we cover in detail in our New York genealogy course.

happy hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, nyc & palm beach gardens fla
vp, education, JewishGen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Locating number of naturalization Petition #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Sandy Crystall posted:
I have a volume and page number (and date) for a naturalization petition and I need
the petition number to order a copy of the document >from NARA (online).

The original record source is New York County Supreme Court Naturalization Petition
Index (an index to naturalization petition cards originally compiled by the New
York County Supreme Court). The person is Joseph Flomen, 57 E. 102 St., NY, NY;
Date: 18 Nov 1919,volume 296, page # 26.


Well Sandy, i think someone gave you the wrong info. If its New York County
Supreme Court then NARA doesnt have the petitions. They are at 31 chambers st, in
the County Clerk/Old Records division on the 7th floor. You don't need the
petition number.

Because things change, i would verify the following suggestion: call the Manhattan
County Clerk's office at 646-386 5395. Find out if you can still order the petition
(by volume and page#) >from the NY County Clerk at 60 Center St, Room 161, NY,
10001 for a $10 money order.

Even better, it is online!
I first queried the familysearch.org website; it returned the film number 001522394
for the index (not very useful). Next i went to the sub-database, the New York
County Naturalization Records, and clicked on browse, scrolled down to New York
County, and chased the volume and page number. And indeed it is there!!! Go to NY
Petitions volume 296; its image #65. Its not the petition, but the declaration,
but the data is the same. Granted this is not an easy research task, but one
we cover in detail in our New York genealogy course.

happy hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, nyc & palm beach gardens fla
vp, education, JewishGen.org

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