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Meeting in Brooklyn, NY over Succos #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Fellow Researcher of Jewish Genealogy,

Debate is a good thing, when done with an open-mind and good intentions.
I have been reading the on-going dialog regarding collaborative
genealogy in Avoytaynu, GENI, extracts >from the IAJGS conventions and my
own conversations with colleagues. I would propose to take the idea in a
different direction as well.

I find it interesting that most of the guides for beginners recommend a
first step of speaking to all living relatives. I find it interesting,
since while it is very important, it creates a problem. Novice
genealogists do not understand the importance of sourcing all facts.
After speaking to all living relatives, it is usually impossible at a
future point(sometimes years) to remember exactly "who told you what".
It is also unlikely that in the initial conversations you will ask those
relatives how *they* know the details they present. If we want to see a
more mature generation of genealogists, we need to at least offer the
focus. Of course there will always be those that just enjoy the thrill
of the hobby and have no interest in anything other than adding names.
That is fine; to each his own. But for those asking for guidance, a
comprehensive approach should start with the knowledge and importance of
the proper sourcing of all data. I personally found "Evidence! Citation
& Analysis for the Family Historianâ?? by Elizabeth Shown Mills, to be
an excellent resource.

I would like to propose the formation of a local group in Brooklyn for
the following purposes:
1. A website containing a sourced tree of our ancestral history,
starting with Adam
2. A database of the researchers of significant personalities in our
history, to facilitate collaboration and review of that information.
3. Frequent group meetings to present and discuss the data being
recorded in the collaborative tree and the adherence to standards

I can attest to the benefits of feedback >from several dedicated
researchers which actually resulted in the REMOVAL of several branches
from my tree of the Bnei Yissoschur, Reb Hersh Mylech SPIRA (1783
-1841). This was accomplished by the sharing of vital records that
disproved some of the immediate family's claims of descent. Instead of
just deleting the family, they were added as a footnote, noting that
while there may still be truth in their claim, their line of descent was
not as they presented.

Overall, I hope that this effort will lead to
- A point of reference for new researchers.
- Encouragement of more researchers to publish their material, either
publicly (even online) or privately.
- A greater effort on the part of our community to create and uphold
unified standards for data input unique to the field of Jewish
genealogy. This will hopefully enable and ease the sharing of data
between different platforms and software products.
- A consolidated tree that researchers can contribute to (where only
properly sourced material would be accepted).
- Tolerance and documentation of alternate opinions, traditions and
conclusions of underlying data.

For those that are interested, I would propose an initial meeting in my
Succah during the intermediate days (Chol HaMoed) of Succos, in the
Midwood section of Flatbush. Please contact me directly via email if you
are interested, or know of someone that I should reach out to. I do
recognize that there are some serious researchers in the more religious
segments of Brooklyn that have limited/no access to email. I would like
to include them if possible as I think diversity will lead to a better
result for all, so also please let me know of anyone you believe I
should contact myself.

Wishing you all success in all your endeavors and a Shana Tova,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
(September 6, 2015)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Meeting in Brooklyn, NY over Succos #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Fellow Researcher of Jewish Genealogy,

Debate is a good thing, when done with an open-mind and good intentions.
I have been reading the on-going dialog regarding collaborative
genealogy in Avoytaynu, GENI, extracts >from the IAJGS conventions and my
own conversations with colleagues. I would propose to take the idea in a
different direction as well.

I find it interesting that most of the guides for beginners recommend a
first step of speaking to all living relatives. I find it interesting,
since while it is very important, it creates a problem. Novice
genealogists do not understand the importance of sourcing all facts.
After speaking to all living relatives, it is usually impossible at a
future point(sometimes years) to remember exactly "who told you what".
It is also unlikely that in the initial conversations you will ask those
relatives how *they* know the details they present. If we want to see a
more mature generation of genealogists, we need to at least offer the
focus. Of course there will always be those that just enjoy the thrill
of the hobby and have no interest in anything other than adding names.
That is fine; to each his own. But for those asking for guidance, a
comprehensive approach should start with the knowledge and importance of
the proper sourcing of all data. I personally found "Evidence! Citation
& Analysis for the Family Historianâ?? by Elizabeth Shown Mills, to be
an excellent resource.

I would like to propose the formation of a local group in Brooklyn for
the following purposes:
1. A website containing a sourced tree of our ancestral history,
starting with Adam
2. A database of the researchers of significant personalities in our
history, to facilitate collaboration and review of that information.
3. Frequent group meetings to present and discuss the data being
recorded in the collaborative tree and the adherence to standards

I can attest to the benefits of feedback >from several dedicated
researchers which actually resulted in the REMOVAL of several branches
from my tree of the Bnei Yissoschur, Reb Hersh Mylech SPIRA (1783
-1841). This was accomplished by the sharing of vital records that
disproved some of the immediate family's claims of descent. Instead of
just deleting the family, they were added as a footnote, noting that
while there may still be truth in their claim, their line of descent was
not as they presented.

Overall, I hope that this effort will lead to
- A point of reference for new researchers.
- Encouragement of more researchers to publish their material, either
publicly (even online) or privately.
- A greater effort on the part of our community to create and uphold
unified standards for data input unique to the field of Jewish
genealogy. This will hopefully enable and ease the sharing of data
between different platforms and software products.
- A consolidated tree that researchers can contribute to (where only
properly sourced material would be accepted).
- Tolerance and documentation of alternate opinions, traditions and
conclusions of underlying data.

For those that are interested, I would propose an initial meeting in my
Succah during the intermediate days (Chol HaMoed) of Succos, in the
Midwood section of Flatbush. Please contact me directly via email if you
are interested, or know of someone that I should reach out to. I do
recognize that there are some serious researchers in the more religious
segments of Brooklyn that have limited/no access to email. I would like
to include them if possible as I think diversity will lead to a better
result for all, so also please let me know of anyone you believe I
should contact myself.

Wishing you all success in all your endeavors and a Shana Tova,

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@...
(September 6, 2015)


Any relations or information regarding Otto or Emilie ROTHSCHILD Koln Germany #germany

Eugene van Staden <eugenevs@...>
 

I am researching the family of Otto Jonas ROTHSCHILD and his wife Emilie
ROTHSCHILD, nee HESS >from Koeln

The information I have is as follows:

Emilie ROTHSCHILD n=E9e HESS, born 13.11.1862 in Koeln, father Samuel HESS,
mother Josefine HIRSCH

She married 17.6.1886 in Koeln, husband Otto Jonas ROTHSCHILD.
They lived at Volksgartenstr. 62, later Volksgartenstr. 58

Otto ROTHSCHILD (born 1853) was the son of Louis ROTHSCHILD, who was partner
of the bank and merchant house S. and L. ROTHSCHILD.

The ROTHSCHILD family was related to the HESS family. A member of the Hess
family was Moses HESS, the famous early Zionist. Otto ROTHSCHILD succeeded
his father in the company S. and L. ROTHSCHILD. The members of the
ROTHSCHILD family were very active in the Cologne Jewish community and were
sponsors of a number of welfare organisations.

I would be greatfull to anyone that has information on any of the
ROTHSCHILD, HESS and HIRSCH family mentioned.
It is in relation to my great uncle ROWLAND THOMPSON RADEMYER that was
adopted by EMILIE ROTHSCHILD in 1922.

Eugene van Staden, Johannesburg, South Africa, eugenevs@...


German SIG #Germany Any relations or information regarding Otto or Emilie ROTHSCHILD Koln Germany #germany

Eugene van Staden <eugenevs@...>
 

I am researching the family of Otto Jonas ROTHSCHILD and his wife Emilie
ROTHSCHILD, nee HESS >from Koeln

The information I have is as follows:

Emilie ROTHSCHILD n=E9e HESS, born 13.11.1862 in Koeln, father Samuel HESS,
mother Josefine HIRSCH

She married 17.6.1886 in Koeln, husband Otto Jonas ROTHSCHILD.
They lived at Volksgartenstr. 62, later Volksgartenstr. 58

Otto ROTHSCHILD (born 1853) was the son of Louis ROTHSCHILD, who was partner
of the bank and merchant house S. and L. ROTHSCHILD.

The ROTHSCHILD family was related to the HESS family. A member of the Hess
family was Moses HESS, the famous early Zionist. Otto ROTHSCHILD succeeded
his father in the company S. and L. ROTHSCHILD. The members of the
ROTHSCHILD family were very active in the Cologne Jewish community and were
sponsors of a number of welfare organisations.

I would be greatfull to anyone that has information on any of the
ROTHSCHILD, HESS and HIRSCH family mentioned.
It is in relation to my great uncle ROWLAND THOMPSON RADEMYER that was
adopted by EMILIE ROTHSCHILD in 1922.

Eugene van Staden, Johannesburg, South Africa, eugenevs@...


Listings on View Mate #germany

John or Leslie Koelsch <koelsch1886@...>
 

Gersig:

I have just listed five new documents for translation >from German to =
English. Many thanks (again) to help I have received already.

Leslie Haas Koelsch, San Francisco.


German SIG #Germany Listings on View Mate #germany

John or Leslie Koelsch <koelsch1886@...>
 

Gersig:

I have just listed five new documents for translation >from German to =
English. Many thanks (again) to help I have received already.

Leslie Haas Koelsch, San Francisco.


Re: Death notations on Lemberg birth records #galicia

Errol Schneegurt
 

My added question would be how would the record keeper know of the event?
No computer cross referencing. Would be difficult to say the least. If the
record keeper was the same for all records and was required to do it, not
lazy and taken to task for not doing the entries you would only require only
one record.

Doesn't help find my Grandmother's birth record but nice to know how they
thought back then.

Interesting!

ERROL SCHNEEGURT ESLVIV@... LI NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death notations on Lemberg birth records #general

Errol Schneegurt
 

My added question would be how would the record keeper know of the event?
No computer cross referencing. Would be difficult to say the least. If the
record keeper was the same for all records and was required to do it, not
lazy and taken to task for not doing the entries you would only require only
one record.

Doesn't help find my Grandmother's birth record but nice to know how they
thought back then.

Interesting!

ERROL SCHNEEGURT ESLVIV@... LI NY


Re: Death notations on Lemberg birth records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Birth records in many jurisdictions, including Galicia and the Austrian
Empire before WW1, used birth records to record subsequent civil events
for that person including his/her parents' marriage, his/her marriage,
and his/her death.

The fact that these subsequent events are *not* found in most birth
records leads to the question of why not? Was it the laziness of the
registrar? Was the recording of subsequent events on a Galician birth
record not required?

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

On 2015-09-04 17:52, ERROL SCHNEEGURT ESLVIV@... wrote:

Every once in a while I need to stimulate my mind and ask a question
that may not have an answer.

I noticed when doing the input of births in Lviv back in 1854 some
deaths were recorded on the birth record. Most are void of this
notation. Some have dates well into the years after their births,

Why would this be done?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death notations on Lemberg birth records #general

Mark Halpern
 

Birth records in many jurisdictions, including Galicia and the Austrian
Empire before WW1, used birth records to record subsequent civil events
for that person including his/her parents' marriage, his/her marriage,
and his/her death.

The fact that these subsequent events are *not* found in most birth
records leads to the question of why not? Was it the laziness of the
registrar? Was the recording of subsequent events on a Galician birth
record not required?

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

On 2015-09-04 17:52, ERROL SCHNEEGURT ESLVIV@... wrote:

Every once in a while I need to stimulate my mind and ask a question
that may not have an answer.

I noticed when doing the input of births in Lviv back in 1854 some
deaths were recorded on the birth record. Most are void of this
notation. Some have dates well into the years after their births,

Why would this be done?


ViewMate translation request - Polish #ukraine

Errol Schneegurt
 

I have posted several Polish vital records for which I request
translations by one of our members.
They are as follows,

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42103
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42102
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42073
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42072
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42071

Please respond via the form in the ViewMate application.

Thanks,
Errol

Moderator's Note: Please sign all posts with your full names and location.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ViewMate translation request - Polish #ukraine

Errol Schneegurt
 

I have posted several Polish vital records for which I request
translations by one of our members.
They are as follows,

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42103
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42102
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42073
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42072
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42071

Please respond via the form in the ViewMate application.

Thanks,
Errol

Moderator's Note: Please sign all posts with your full names and location.


ViewMate translation request - Yiddish (printed text) #ukraine

Emily Garber
 

I've posted a short essay in Yiddish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42040

The text was written by Julius Reitman on occasion of the 1949
anniversary of the First Lubiner Progressive Benevolent Association
(landsmanshaft) in New York City.

I would like a full translation.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/yurovshchina/index.html


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ViewMate translation request - Yiddish (printed text) #ukraine

Emily Garber
 

I've posted a short essay in Yiddish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=42040

The text was written by Julius Reitman on occasion of the 1949
anniversary of the First Lubiner Progressive Benevolent Association
(landsmanshaft) in New York City.

I would like a full translation.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
http://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/yurovshchina/index.html


Photographs in Metulla, Israel #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I am hoping that some kind person in Israel could take
photographs of two grave headstones of family members in
Israel. I have the details, which are as follows. Both are
in Metulla cemetery:

Abraham Vinacour / Vinokur - buried in Plot No. 4, Row 3,
Metulla Cemetery.

Zlata Vinacour / Vinokur - buried in Plot No.7. Row 1,
Metulla Cemetery.

Please respond privately. Any offers or assistance are
greatly appreciated.

Shana tova

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: In order to avoid duplication of effort, please
respond to Gina before going to the cemetery.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photographs in Metulla, Israel #general

Robert Fraser
 

Dear Friends -

I am hoping that some kind person in Israel could take
photographs of two grave headstones of family members in
Israel. I have the details, which are as follows. Both are
in Metulla cemetery:

Abraham Vinacour / Vinokur - buried in Plot No. 4, Row 3,
Metulla Cemetery.

Zlata Vinacour / Vinokur - buried in Plot No.7. Row 1,
Metulla Cemetery.

Please respond privately. Any offers or assistance are
greatly appreciated.

Shana tova

Gina Fraser
Perth, Western Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: In order to avoid duplication of effort, please
respond to Gina before going to the cemetery.


Stolen Books by the Nazis; The Julius Streicher Collection -- Nuremberg, Germany #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Community (IKG) Nuremberg is in possession of the so-called
"Sturmer or Streicher Library", a collection of approximately 10,000 books,
taken by the Nazis. The Jewish Community of Nuremberg is requesting
assistance in finding the former owners and the restitution of the writings
to their legal successors. . For more background on the collection and a
listing of robbed victims as well as pictures of images of inscriptions or
book notes. See: http://tinyurl.com/qg99tl3
Original url:

http://www.genteam.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149&Itemid=149&lang=en

No registration is required and accessing the information is free.
This information is >from GenTeam.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Stolen Books by the Nazis; The Julius Streicher Collection -- Nuremberg, Germany #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Community (IKG) Nuremberg is in possession of the so-called
"Sturmer or Streicher Library", a collection of approximately 10,000 books,
taken by the Nazis. The Jewish Community of Nuremberg is requesting
assistance in finding the former owners and the restitution of the writings
to their legal successors. . For more background on the collection and a
listing of robbed victims as well as pictures of images of inscriptions or
book notes. See: http://tinyurl.com/qg99tl3
Original url:

http://www.genteam.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149&Itemid=149&lang=en

No registration is required and accessing the information is free.
This information is >from GenTeam.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Jewish stonemasons #general

Russ Maurer
 

In connection with a possible cemetery project, I am seeking any
information about Jews in the profession of stonemason ("matzeva
kritzer", kamieniarz in Polish) in eastern Europe prior to WWII. I am
interested in both scholarly work and anecdotal or personal accounts.
Please respond privately.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH
rmaur@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish stonemasons #general

Russ Maurer
 

In connection with a possible cemetery project, I am seeking any
information about Jews in the profession of stonemason ("matzeva
kritzer", kamieniarz in Polish) in eastern Europe prior to WWII. I am
interested in both scholarly work and anecdotal or personal accounts.
Please respond privately.

Russ Maurer
Pepper Pike, OH
rmaur@...

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