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Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Bette Stoop Mas <bette_sscf@...>
 

Mark London wrote:

< My wife has relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.
In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow. In 1902,
Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his father
Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts. I
cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city directories,
or any censuses. >

< Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful. What I really
need is a vital record that shows Abraham's wife's maiden name. His
immigration record shows him to be a brother-in-law of my wife's
great grandfather. But I have no idea if he was married to a sister of
my wife's great grandfather, or to a sister of her great grandmother. >

< The plot thickens. Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on
Nov. 11, 1902. Ancestry.com had them listed under the name of Milek
rather than Milch. They all have European names, so who knows what
they were called in America (Nethe, Lejsche, Lieb and Fronte). >

Per Gesher Galicia Town Locator and JewishGen Gazetteer, Hruszow in
Drohobycz district is located at 4928/2336 and is 9.2 miles NNE of
Drohobycz. Hruszow in Jaworow district and Wielkie Oczy Jewish
district is located at 5005/2319 and is 10.8 miles NNW of Jaworow.
Neither Hruszow had a significant Jewish community.

After an extensive search in Ancestry with no luck tracing any of this
family either, I tried searching JRI-Poland for surnames phonetically
like MILCH and MILEH. < http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm >

BINGO! JRI-Poland has indexed three birth records in Wielkie Oczy PSA
located in Fond 1729 of Przemysl Archive with no link to online images.

- Moses MILCH/ADLER born 1883 (akta 60 sygnatura 2) was born to
Abraham Joel MILCH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

- Freide Rechel MILCH/ADLER born 1900 (akta 33 sygnatura 1) was
born to Abraham MILCH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

- Chajm Ber MILEH/ADLER was born 1882 (akta 26 sygnatura 2) to
Abraham Moses MILEH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

Special Search Results message for indices to records >from towns in the
Przemysl branch of the Polish State Archives, including Wielkie Oczy
< http://jri-poland.org/psa/wielkie_oczy_surn.htm >

Wielkie Oczy Surnames 1876-1902
< http://jri-poland.org/psa/wielkie_oczy_surn.htm >

JRI-Poland's index clarifies that the family is >from Hruszow in Jaworow
administrative district and provides the maiden name of Abraham's
wife. Based on Galician Jewish families using both parents' surnames
(official and unofficial), perhaps the family changed their name to
ADLER in the USA. The double given names in the index provide
additional clues.

Good luck!
Bette Stoop Mas
USA
Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Thanks to everybody that replied to my email request! As usual, people
were very helpful, and once again I found flaws in my method of
searching. What I've learned is that everybody needs to do the same
search, on both ancestry.com and familysearch.org . For example, I
had tried searching for the town name of Hruszow, and people living in
Massachusetts. That town name was on a WWI draft card for one of the
family members that I was looking for. However, only Familysearch.org
had transcribed the town name and put it in their database.
Ancestry.com did not!

Also, one person did find Abraham Milch listed as a father in Hruszow
birth records, in the JRI database. I could swear that I had searched
that database without finding him. I must have had snow blindness.
More likely, I was getting fatigued at that point.

Very much appreciated to all who responded.

Mark London
Natick, MA
ViewMate translation request - Polish #galicia

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41340
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Olivier Neuman (id458743)
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Bette Stoop Mas <bette_sscf@...>
 

Mark London wrote:

< My wife has relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.
In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow. In 1902,
Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his father
Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts. I
cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city directories,
or any censuses. >

< Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful. What I really
need is a vital record that shows Abraham's wife's maiden name. His
immigration record shows him to be a brother-in-law of my wife's
great grandfather. But I have no idea if he was married to a sister of
my wife's great grandfather, or to a sister of her great grandmother. >

< The plot thickens. Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on
Nov. 11, 1902. Ancestry.com had them listed under the name of Milek
rather than Milch. They all have European names, so who knows what
they were called in America (Nethe, Lejsche, Lieb and Fronte). >

Per Gesher Galicia Town Locator and JewishGen Gazetteer, Hruszow in
Drohobycz district is located at 4928/2336 and is 9.2 miles NNE of
Drohobycz. Hruszow in Jaworow district and Wielkie Oczy Jewish
district is located at 5005/2319 and is 10.8 miles NNW of Jaworow.
Neither Hruszow had a significant Jewish community.

After an extensive search in Ancestry with no luck tracing any of this
family either, I tried searching JRI-Poland for surnames phonetically
like MILCH and MILEH. < http://jri-poland.org/jriplweb.htm >

BINGO! JRI-Poland has indexed three birth records in Wielkie Oczy PSA
located in Fond 1729 of Przemysl Archive with no link to online images.

- Moses MILCH/ADLER born 1883 (akta 60 sygnatura 2) was born to
Abraham Joel MILCH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

- Freide Rechel MILCH/ADLER born 1900 (akta 33 sygnatura 1) was
born to Abraham MILCH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

- Chajm Ber MILEH/ADLER was born 1882 (akta 26 sygnatura 2) to
Abraham Moses MILEH and Neche ADLER of Hruszow.

Special Search Results message for indices to records >from towns in the
Przemysl branch of the Polish State Archives, including Wielkie Oczy
< http://jri-poland.org/psa/wielkie_oczy_surn.htm >

Wielkie Oczy Surnames 1876-1902
< http://jri-poland.org/psa/wielkie_oczy_surn.htm >

JRI-Poland's index clarifies that the family is >from Hruszow in Jaworow
administrative district and provides the maiden name of Abraham's
wife. Based on Galician Jewish families using both parents' surnames
(official and unofficial), perhaps the family changed their name to
ADLER in the USA. The double given names in the index provide
additional clues.

Good luck!
Bette Stoop Mas
USA
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Thanks to everybody that replied to my email request! As usual, people
were very helpful, and once again I found flaws in my method of
searching. What I've learned is that everybody needs to do the same
search, on both ancestry.com and familysearch.org . For example, I
had tried searching for the town name of Hruszow, and people living in
Massachusetts. That town name was on a WWI draft card for one of the
family members that I was looking for. However, only Familysearch.org
had transcribed the town name and put it in their database.
Ancestry.com did not!

Also, one person did find Abraham Milch listed as a father in Hruszow
birth records, in the JRI database. I could swear that I had searched
that database without finding him. I must have had snow blindness.
More likely, I was getting fatigued at that point.

Very much appreciated to all who responded.

Mark London
Natick, MA
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia ViewMate translation request - Polish #galicia

Olivier Neuman
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM41340
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Olivier Neuman (id458743)
Re: Milch family from Hruszow #galicia

Phyllis Kramer
 

Mark London posted:

<<My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.
In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow. In 1902,
Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his father
Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts....
Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on Nov. 11, 1902.>>

First Mark, you might want to study the manifest itself, as the
indexer did not do a good job. There were more clues on the manifest.

Second, oftentimes "losing" a family occurs because folks chose a more
"American sounding" surname.

So here's what I did...

I looked at the manifest you mentioned and saw they came >from Galicia...
so when I queried the census on Ancestry I asked for a Louis (oftentimes a
dapted >from the Hebrew Leib) born c. 1891, in Austria, living in
Massachusetts.

There were quite a few, but only one census had other given names that
might have been adapted >from the original names...

In the 1910 census I found...

Abram Miller 45 Austria e.1896
Annie Miller 42 Austria 6 children/5 living
Louis Miller 18 Austria (matches Lieb's age on manifest)
Fannie Miller 10, e. 1903 (matches Freide's age on manifest)
on Mayflower Street in Plymouth Mass.

Any chance this might be the family you are searching for?

Phyllis Kramer
VP, Education, www.JewishGen.org/education
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Milch family from Hruszow #galicia

Phyllis Kramer
 

Mark London posted:

<<My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.
In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow. In 1902,
Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his father
Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts....
Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on Nov. 11, 1902.>>

First Mark, you might want to study the manifest itself, as the
indexer did not do a good job. There were more clues on the manifest.

Second, oftentimes "losing" a family occurs because folks chose a more
"American sounding" surname.

So here's what I did...

I looked at the manifest you mentioned and saw they came >from Galicia...
so when I queried the census on Ancestry I asked for a Louis (oftentimes a
dapted >from the Hebrew Leib) born c. 1891, in Austria, living in
Massachusetts.

There were quite a few, but only one census had other given names that
might have been adapted >from the original names...

In the 1910 census I found...

Abram Miller 45 Austria e.1896
Annie Miller 42 Austria 6 children/5 living
Louis Miller 18 Austria (matches Lieb's age on manifest)
Fannie Miller 10, e. 1903 (matches Freide's age on manifest)
on Mayflower Street in Plymouth Mass.

Any chance this might be the family you are searching for?

Phyllis Kramer
VP, Education, www.JewishGen.org/education
1869 Census for Ung Megye #subcarpathia

Deborah Glassman <d.w.glassman@...>
 

We know the 1869 census exists for Ung Megye, but does anyone have =
knowledge or experience in obtaining scans/copies/information? Would be =
interested to hear of researchers who might be able to provide copies. =
Looking for town of Or-Darma.

I will take responses off-line. Also posted to H-Sig and Ukraine-Sig.

Deborah Weiss Glassman
Arlington, Virginia
WEISS, DEUTSCH, MEISELS=
Subcarpathia SIG #Subcarpathia 1869 Census for Ung Megye #subcarpathia

Deborah Glassman <d.w.glassman@...>
 

We know the 1869 census exists for Ung Megye, but does anyone have =
knowledge or experience in obtaining scans/copies/information? Would be =
interested to hear of researchers who might be able to provide copies. =
Looking for town of Or-Darma.

I will take responses off-line. Also posted to H-Sig and Ukraine-Sig.

Deborah Weiss Glassman
Arlington, Virginia
WEISS, DEUTSCH, MEISELS=
I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.

In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow.

In 1902, Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his
father Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts.

I cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city directories,
or any censuses.

I know that there were a lot of people with the name Milch that lived in
NYC and elsewhere, that came >from Podhajce. But I can't connect any of
them to the ones that came >from Hruszow.

Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful.

What I really need is a vital record that shows Abraham's wife's maiden
name. His immigration record shows him to be a brother-in-law of my
wife's great grandfather. But I have no idea if he was married to a sister
of my wife's great grandfather, or to a sister of her great grandmother.

There is a NYC Supreme Court naturalization record for a "Moris or
(Maris) Milch". Even if this is the Moris that I'm looking for, it wouldn't
contain his mother's maiden name. I can't find a marriage record for him
under the name of Milch, or for his brother Chaim.

Any help in finding these people, would be most appreciated! Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in America.

In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came from, is Hruszow.

In 1902, Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his
father Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts.

I cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city directories,
or any censuses.

I know that there were a lot of people with the name Milch that lived in
NYC and elsewhere, that came >from Podhajce. But I can't connect any of
them to the ones that came >from Hruszow.

Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful.

What I really need is a vital record that shows Abraham's wife's maiden
name. His immigration record shows him to be a brother-in-law of my
wife's great grandfather. But I have no idea if he was married to a sister
of my wife's great grandfather, or to a sister of her great grandmother.

There is a NYC Supreme Court naturalization record for a "Moris or
(Maris) Milch". Even if this is the Moris that I'm looking for, it wouldn't
contain his mother's maiden name. I can't find a marriage record for him
under the name of Milch, or for his brother Chaim.

Any help in finding these people, would be most appreciated! Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA
Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

The plot thickens. Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on Nov.
11, 1902. Ancestry.com had them listed under the name of Milek rather
than Milch. They all have European names, so who knows what they were
called in America (Nethe, Lejsche, Lieb and Fronte). I can't find any of
them yet. They couldn't all have disappeared! Any help would be
appreciated. - Mark

On 9/18/2015 7:02 AM, Mark London wrote:

Hi - My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in
America.

In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came form, is Hruszow.

In 1902, Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his
father Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts.

I cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city
directories, or any censuses.

I know that there were a lot of people with the name Milch that lived
in NYC and elsewhere, that came >from Podhajce. But I can't connect
any of them to the ones that came >from Hruszow.

Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful.

What I really need is a vital record that shows the name of Abraham's
wife's maiden name. His immigration record shows him to be a
brother-in-law of my wife's great grandfather. But I have no idea if
he was married to a sister of my wife's great grandfather, or a sister
of her great grandmother.

There is a NYC Supreme Court naturalization record for a "Moris or
(Maris) Milch". Even if this is the Moris that I'm looking for, it
wouldn't contain his mother's maiden name. I can't find a marriage
record for him under the name of Milch, or for his brother Chaim.

Any help in finding these people, would be most appreciated! Thanks.
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: I can't trace the Milch family that arrived in America from Hruszow #galicia

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

The plot thickens. Abraham's wife and 3 more children arrived on Nov.
11, 1902. Ancestry.com had them listed under the name of Milek rather
than Milch. They all have European names, so who knows what they were
called in America (Nethe, Lejsche, Lieb and Fronte). I can't find any of
them yet. They couldn't all have disappeared! Any help would be
appreciated. - Mark

On 9/18/2015 7:02 AM, Mark London wrote:

Hi - My wife have relatives that disappeared once they arrived in
America.

In 1900, Abraham Milch and his son Chaim arrived, born in 1857 and
1883. The town they list where they came form, is Hruszow.

In 1902, Moris Milch arrived, and specified his contact person as his
father Abraham Milch, living in 16 Minden St, Roxbury Massachusetts.

I cannot find any records for these people in the Boston city
directories, or any censuses.

I know that there were a lot of people with the name Milch that lived
in NYC and elsewhere, that came >from Podhajce. But I can't connect
any of them to the ones that came >from Hruszow.

Vital records >from both cities are sparse and unhelpful.

What I really need is a vital record that shows the name of Abraham's
wife's maiden name. His immigration record shows him to be a
brother-in-law of my wife's great grandfather. But I have no idea if
he was married to a sister of my wife's great grandfather, or a sister
of her great grandmother.

There is a NYC Supreme Court naturalization record for a "Moris or
(Maris) Milch". Even if this is the Moris that I'm looking for, it
wouldn't contain his mother's maiden name. I can't find a marriage
record for him under the name of Milch, or for his brother Chaim.

Any help in finding these people, would be most appreciated! Thanks.
Re: Kiliya census records #bessarabia

Jennifer
 

Can anyone tell me when bricheni records will be available.

Jennifer Kaufman

-------------------------------

On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Yefim A Kogan <bessarabia@...> wrote:

Hi Mathew, thanks for the post.
Before going directly to your questions, here is what I believe you need to
do:

1. You should enter the surname / town you are researching into Family
Finder database at JewishGen! I see now only one person who is looking for
Choclin, and that is in any place in Moldova. That person lives now in
Argentina. It is possible that your Choclin family is related to some others >from towns
n Moldova. Even now Kiliya is in Ukraine, people could put Moldova because
of close proximity and that it together with Moldova - Bessarabia region..............
Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Re: Kiliya census records #bessarabia

Jennifer
 

Can anyone tell me when bricheni records will be available.

Jennifer Kaufman

-------------------------------

On Sep 17, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Yefim A Kogan <bessarabia@...> wrote:

Hi Mathew, thanks for the post.
Before going directly to your questions, here is what I believe you need to
do:

1. You should enter the surname / town you are researching into Family
Finder database at JewishGen! I see now only one person who is looking for
Choclin, and that is in any place in Moldova. That person lives now in
Argentina. It is possible that your Choclin family is related to some others >from towns
n Moldova. Even now Kiliya is in Ukraine, people could put Moldova because
of close proximity and that it together with Moldova - Bessarabia region..............
LOEHNBERG - GERSTENSANG #germany

redel.mike@...
 

Dear Gersigs,

I am searching for the following Persons

Erich LOEHNBERG was born 08.01.1896 he was detained in Sachsenhausen
he was dismissed 16.12.1938 his prisoner Numer was 11783. Where is he
born. What is happend with him? His parents?

Berta GERSTENSANG born LOEHNBERG was born in 25.10.1863 in Wickede.
She lived in Magdeburg Weitenstrasse 5 and was murdered in
Theresienstadt 09.12.1942. Who was her parents and husband? Regards

Mike Redel, Unna - Germany redel.mike@...
German SIG #Germany LOEHNBERG - GERSTENSANG #germany

redel.mike@...
 

Dear Gersigs,

I am searching for the following Persons

Erich LOEHNBERG was born 08.01.1896 he was detained in Sachsenhausen
he was dismissed 16.12.1938 his prisoner Numer was 11783. Where is he
born. What is happend with him? His parents?

Berta GERSTENSANG born LOEHNBERG was born in 25.10.1863 in Wickede.
She lived in Magdeburg Weitenstrasse 5 and was murdered in
Theresienstadt 09.12.1942. Who was her parents and husband? Regards

Mike Redel, Unna - Germany redel.mike@...
Bacau Romania - Filderman Jewish School #romania

Marcel Glaskie <marcelg@...>
 

Filderman Jewish School - Bacau Romania

Does anyone have any information or a photograph of the Filderman Jewish
School that once existed in Bacau Romania ?
Reply to Marcel Glaskie - Ra'anana Israel
marcelg@...
Romania SIG #Romania Bacau Romania - Filderman Jewish School #romania

Marcel Glaskie <marcelg@...>
 

Filderman Jewish School - Bacau Romania

Does anyone have any information or a photograph of the Filderman Jewish
School that once existed in Bacau Romania ?
Reply to Marcel Glaskie - Ra'anana Israel
marcelg@...
95301 - 95320 of 669645